Here's another off the Revlist------


From: John Fraser <jfraser@...>

As a re-enactor of a private soldier in the 71st regiment, I am frequently
asked why a free American citizen of the 21st century would willingly
portray a British soldier of the 18th century.  The question is often asked
in very impolite terms, including suggestions that we are somehow "English".

Within the ranks of the 71st, I have heard many reasons given for our
portrayal.  The explanation that seems best to me is simply stated:

We portray professional soldiers in the British army of the 18th century to
demonstrate the huge price the American (and French) forces paid for our
latter-day freedoms.  We demonstrate the valor of the Continental Army, the
colonial militia, and others by portraying the zealous professionals of the
British army who were defeated only by great sacrifice.

RevList - http://www.meridian.com/revlist/

" Hmmm, well I know a bunch of guys in C Coy 1Can Para who would be
interested. Oh, did I mention that I'm the Company Commander?"

You are?..How interesting! You should give me a call as I would love to talk
to you about the 1 Can Para!

WoaMohammet!
                  Craig
...

Kevin, I don't know if anyone has answered this for you, so in the interest
of helping another re-enactor...

"When a reg't has lace in pairs does the officer have his lace in
pairs as well?"

Yes. According to the Regulations the buttoning patterns are the same.

"Also is the lace on the cuffs in pairs or single?"

Yes.

"are the buttons on the great coat in pairs or single?"

The great coat is issued by the Board of Ordinance and is therefore of one
standard pattern. The buttons are spaced singly, single breasted for the
OR's and perhaps ,(as there is evidence for both ),double breasted for the
officers.

You could always try checking the Discriminating General as I believe there
was a piece on greatcoats posted there for a while.

I hope this helps, Craig.

For your information:

the video of
the A&E made for TV Movie

"The Crossing"
starring
Jeff Daniels

costing
$19.95 USA Currency

can be ordered by calling
1-888-423-1212

Note: there is a 6 to 10 week
backorder on the VCR tape at
present.

As some on this ONElist worked (starred!)
in this movie, I thought it would be of
interest to the list. This is the story of
Washington crossing the Delaware River
during his attack on Trenton during the
War of the American Revolution.

For more info log on
http://store.aetv.com/cgi-bin/ae.storefront/0/Ext/OutsideFrame/UT/32/Product/174\
63

1812'ers can any of you help the good Doctor out?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. G. A (Ken) Paterson <docpat@...>
To: Revlist@onelist>com <Revlist@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 2:58 PM
Subject: [Revlist] HELP!! Re: Vietnam Veterans


My apologies for including this in our list but I am
at a loss to know where to start.

My sister-in-law, also Canadian, lost touch with her
stepsons following the death of their faher before the
Vietnam War.  She has asked me to check the web
for possible information as to their demise in Vietnam.
Any source would be appreciated

Please reply offline mailto:docpat@...

Thanks

Ken Paterson

RevList - http://www.meridian.com/revlist/

Kevin, my apologies as I was obviously thinking of something else when I
answered this one...
>"Also is the lace on the cuffs in pairs or single?"
>
>Yes.

What I meant to say was Yes If they are arranged in pairs on the breast they
will be arranged in pairs on the cuffs.

Sometimes I am thicker than double clotted cream!

Craig

I'd love to buy Sean's musket, but right now we are investigating buying
some used Baker repros from a fellow in Canada. What exactly does one do to
ensure a total lack of hassle from the gun and customs authorities in the US
and Canada? AFAIK flintlocks are in Canada the same as in the USA: not
considered firearms. Any hassles with purchasing several at once from an
individual in Canada and bringing them over the border?

Roger the Gun Smuggler
3/95th (Rifles)

>

Dear Onelist,

     I am presently looking for a good supplier of 100% worsted wool and 100&
white and natural linen, any help from the onelist would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You!

David Brunelle
Military Establishment of Upper Canada

Dear Onelist,

     After reviewing the A&E website about the movie the Crossing I was very
disapointed to find out that they did not list in the credits all the military
technicians
(re-enactors) who worked for over 3 weeks on the movie training the sometimes up
to 300 extra's how to march, drill and look like a Continental soldier.  This
list of
forgotten military Technicians and Consultants will follow in the next day as I
am presently compiling the list.  I have also sent a e-mail to A&E requesting
that they
add them in for all its worth.

The list will appear on Jan, 5th/99

Take Care!

Dave Brunelle

Thanks Dave. It's nice to be appreciated.  For those others on the list
that went back to one I have a five minute commercial and the making of the
Crossing on video.  Any takers?  Only the cost of a video tape!

----------
> From: David Brunelle <brunelle@...>
>
> The list will appear on Jan, 5th/99
>
> Take Care!
>
> Dave Brunelle

Hats Off to all the following Military Technicians who helped make the
movie the Crossing what it is, if it were not for you guys it could not
have happened and it would have cost them alot more time and money if they
had to sort out the extra's and train them, themselves!
out
	 Military Consultants and Trainors

	 David Brunelle
	 Robert Henderson
	 Peter Twist
	 Gordon Laco

	 Military Technicians

	 Larry Lozon 	 Ben Mavil  Lyn Downer
	 Bruce Bainbridge  Chris Downer  Dan Pearson
	 Vic Suthern 	 Scott Paterson  Rick Thompson
 	 Dave Mc Meekin  Teri Hey  Dave Ward
	 Allan Holeman 	 Gareth Newfield  James Ellliot
	 Mark Twist 	 Jason Everett  Jesse Pudwell
	 Keith Prentice 	 John Bayfield  Allan Revich
	 John Lyle 	 Mike Rudy  Kevin Windsor
	 Bill Avery 	 Len Henderbredt Pat Doyle
	 Lyn Downer 	 Mark Stubbs  Mike Varty
	 Robert Carkner 	 Sean Hirst  Waxy Gregoire
	 Gordon Sloan 	 Ed Martin  Tony Ballard
	 Bev Nichol 	 Gil Bibby & Crew

	 I apologize if I'm missing anyone so please let me know and I will re-post
an updated list!


Thanks again guys you were great!
See you on the tube on Jan 10th/00


Take Care!
Dave Brunelle

Dave, et al,

>    I am presently looking for a good supplier of 100% worsted wool and
>100& white and natural linen, any help from the onelist would be greatly
>appreciated.

You might try the following:

Textile Bazaar (for wool)
Charles Rotstein
501 Danforth Avenue
Toronto, Ontario
M4K 1P5
416 465-4492

MacDonald Faber Ltd. (wool and linen)
952 Queen Street West
Toronto, Ontario
M6J 1G8
(416) 534-3940

King Textiles (wool, silk, linen)
Toronto
sorry don't have their info, but they're in directory and will give a 10%
discount on quantities over 10 yards. Reasonable prices. Excellent fabrics.
I go nuts there.

Designer Fabric Outlet (wool, silk, linen)
Dupont? I think .
a little more expensive than King, but fabulous array of fabrics and trims.
They're in directory.

Lorina

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hand-sewn, embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns and embroidery
supplies http://www.5rivers.org e-mail: info@...

For wool, canvas, linen, etc
Tents, Leather items, swords,
musket replicas, Drums, buckles,
Kilts,etc

Ashley Grange Traders
( Ken & Elsie Fisher)
RR 1,
22799 Kintyre Line
Rodney, Ontario
Canada N0L 2C0
1 (519) 785-2215

They are not on the internet yet!

....but well woth the phone call
as they have great prices!
They are located 2 miles off the 401.


-----Original Message-----
From: David Brunelle <brunelle@...>
To: WarOf1812@onelist.com <WarOf1812@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 10:21 PM
Subject: [WarOf1812] Re: Looking for a supplier? Linen & Worsted Wool


From: David Brunelle <brunelle@...>

Dear Onelist,

     I am presently looking for a good supplier of 100% worsted wool and 100&
white and natural linen, any help from the onelist would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You!

David Brunelle
Military Establishment of Upper Canada
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of square
miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of square
miles...

---------
>
> Designer Fabric Outlet (wool, silk, linen)
> Dupont? I think .
> a little more expensive than King, but fabulous array of fabrics and
trims.
> They're in directory.
>
Designer Fabric Outlet
1360 Queen St W
Toronto
M6K 1L7
(416)531-2810 p
(416)531-4114 f

They are a little more expensive, but they have a good selection, and a
good red and green.  Couldn't find any blue there.  If you are pst exempt
then you get a better deal.  If not just get on of their 10% off cards.
Later
Kevin

> Hats Off to all the following Military Technicians who helped make the
> movie the Crossing what it is, if it were not for you guys it could not
> have happened and it would have cost them alot more time and money if
they
> had to sort out the extra's and train them, themselves!
> out
>  Military Consultants and Trainors
>
>  David Brunelle
>  Robert Henderson
>  Peter Twist
>  Gordon Laco
>
>  Military Technicians
>
>  Larry Lozon 	 Ben Mavil  Lyn Downer
>  Bruce Bainbridge  Chris Downer  Dan Pearson
>  Vic Suthern 	 Scott Paterson  Rick Thompson
>   Dave Mc Meekin  Teri Hey  Dave Ward
>  Allan Holeman 	 Gareth Newfield  James Ellliot
>  Mark Twist 	 Jason Everett  Jesse Pudwell
>  Keith Prentice 	 John Bayfield  Allan Revich
>  John Lyle 	 Mike Rudy  Kevin Windsor
>  Bill Avery 	 Len Henderbredt Pat Doyle
>  Lyn Downer 	 Mark Stubbs  Mike Varty
>  Robert Carkner 	 Sean Hirst  Waxy Gregoire
>  Gordon Sloan 	 Ed Martin  Tony Ballard
>  Bev Nichol 	 Gil Bibby & Crew
>
>  I apologize if I'm missing anyone so please let me know and I will
re-post
> an updated list!
>
>
> Thanks again guys you were great!
> See you on the tube on Jan 10th/00
>
>
> Take Care!
> Dave Brunelle
>

Dear Larry,

	 Well it is the new year and as a promised they have not called me back or
make any effort in retrieving the musket so as promised I will return it to
you.

Have a great New Year!!!!!

Dave Brunelle

Dave, its a little thing but please, it's really spelt, Heidebrecht
Hugs, Len
--

		 Len Henderbredt


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A friend of mine was recently on holiday in Toronto and I sort of
suggested that he could see if there were any 1812 sites to visit, I
then had to explain the War of 1812, well it was a good reason for an
evening in the pub.

He found and visited Fort Erie, well at least the outside of it since it
was closed for the holiday. They also went to a nearby battle site and a
plaque there referred to the 44th (East Essex) Regiment and the 108th
Regiment of Foot who presumably were a Fencible Regiment, does the list
have anymore details about them?

Many thanks.

Peter
--
IX Regiment

In a message dated 1/6/2000 1:06:44 PM Central Standard Time,
ixreg@... writes:

<< 108th
  Regiment of Foot who presumably were a Fencible Regiment, does the list
  have anymore details about them?
   >>

The 108th were a regiment of the HEIC, originally the 3rd Madras Europeans.
They were taken into the line in 1861 with the territorial title of the 2nd
Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.

Cheers

Tim

>
><< 108th
> Regiment of Foot who presumably were a Fencible Regiment, does the list
> have anymore details about them?
>  >>
>
>The 108th were a regiment of the HEIC, originally the 3rd Madras Europeans.
>They were taken into the line in 1861 with the territorial title of the 2nd
>Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.
Bedankt, more Irish then ;-)

Cheers

P**
--
IX Regiment

In a message dated 1/6/00 2:06:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ixreg@... writes:

<< They also went to a nearby battle site and a
  plaque there referred to the 44th (East Essex) Regiment and the 108th
  Regiment of Foot >>

Canadians, I'm Curious.  What battle would this had been, when and where?

The 44th finished the RevWar in Quebec and made it to Bladensburg, North
Point and New Orleans during the War of 1812.  They also got mixed up in a
little spat called Gandamak in 1841. Would this had been F&I?

Ed
LCpl/Royal Marines

All of you will please excuse this modern intrusion into the list,
and if I've broken rules Larry and Jim please forgive me.

	 By now I'm getting feedback from re-enactors regarding Forever
Timeless. I thought I would put to rest now the rumour mill and let the
community know what's going on. It's all really very simple.

	 As many of you will know I worked for Susan as her major domo at
Forever Timeless for the past year and a bit.  Susan has, after much
consideration and deliberation, decided to close her doors and has sold
Gary and me the pattern business. Five Rivers Chapmanry will now also sell
a full range of historical sewing patterns as well as cooperage and
hand-sewn, embroidered garments.

	 Susan will continue to teach, and is looking at perhaps
re-inventing herself as Mrs. McLean's Mercantile to be a mercer,
lace-merchant and such, but overall to lead a quieter, far more halcyon
existence. I'm sure all of you will join Gary and I in sincere well wishes
to her and her future.

	 If there are any comments, it might be best to direct these
off-list so as not to clutter the general flow of historical dialogue we
carry on here.

	 Many thanks to all of you for your attention and consideration.

Lorina



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  Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, fine
hand-sewn, embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns and embroidery
supplies http://www.5rivers.org e-mail: info@...

"if I've broken rules "

Gary, I don't believe you have broken any rules!

The 1812 ONElist is for information regarding the
1812 re-enactment community, and your post
was definitely news.

Five Rivers Chapmanry 82 Parkview Drive,
Orangeville, Ontario, Canada L9W 3J2
~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage,
fine hand-sewn, embroidered garments, historical
sewing patterns and embroidery supplies
http://www.5rivers.org e-mail: info@...

is a well respected Sutler and since our Sutler
Community in the Great White North is small
compared to the American Sutler Community,
it is the job of all re-enactors in Canada to
support them so we will have them at our
events supplying us for many years to come.

Larry



-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Stephens <info@...>
To: WarOf1812@onelist.com <WarOf1812@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, January 07, 2000 2:46 PM
Subject: [WarOf1812] news


All of you will please excuse this modern intrusion into the list,
and if I've broken rules Larry and Jim please forgive me.

By now I'm getting feedback from re-enactors regarding Forever
Timeless. I thought I would put to rest now the rumour mill and let the
community know what's going on. It's all really very simple.

As many of you will know I worked for Susan as her major domo at
Forever Timeless for the past year and a bit.  Susan has, after much
consideration and deliberation, decided to close her doors and has sold
Gary and me the pattern business. Five Rivers Chapmanry will now also sell
a full range of historical sewing patterns as well as cooperage and
hand-sewn, embroidered garments.

Susan will continue to teach, and is looking at perhaps
re-inventing herself as Mrs. McLean's Mercantile to be a mercer,
lace-merchant and such, but overall to lead a quieter, far more halcyon
existence. I'm sure all of you will join Gary and I in sincere well wishes
to her and her future.

If there are any comments, it might be best to direct these
off-list so as not to clutter the general flow of historical dialogue we
carry on here.

Many thanks to all of you for your attention and consideration.

Lorina



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hand-sewn, embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns and embroidery
supplies http://www.5rivers.org e-mail: info@...



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miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of square
miles...

As I have just joined the 1812 onelist, wanted to introduce myself.   I am Dave
Bennett, from Parkville Missouri, located just North of Kansas City Missouri.  
I a member of Clemson's company First U.States Infantry & Boone's Missouri
Rangers.  The unit began in 1987 and has attended events at Fort Osage, Fort
Massac, Fort Madison, Fort Belle Fontaine, Fort Shelby (Prarie du Chien), Fort
Miegs, New Orleans and Mississinewa.I have been researching the First U.States
Infantry during the War of 1812 for over ten years.  I am a member of C.A.M.P
(Council on America's Past) and I am also the coordinator of the WAR OF 1812 IN
THE WEST Symposium. The TENTH annual Symposium will be held this year on March
25th and 26th, at the Arrow Rock State Historic site, situated in the center of
the state of Missouri. The War of 1812 in the West Symposium's are free and open
to the public.Dave Bennett.

Welcome Dave!  My name is Kevin Windsor, I work at a living history museum
in Rockton (near Hamilton Ont) as the collections officer and I am a
Corporal in the newly formed 89th of Foot Grenadier coy.

Here is some info that I rec'd from Gill Bibby.  I hope it works

----------
> From: Gill Bibby. <gbibby@...>
> To: Kevin Windsor <kwind25@...>
> >----------
> >> From: "Len Heidebrecht" <lheidebrecht@...>
> >>
> >> Hi Listoids,
> >>
> >> Does anyone have an e address or 'phone number for Joe Clark re: the
> >Living History Conference. For some reason I can't seem to register on
line
> >through their website and I want to get my requests in now.
> >>
> >> Nil Farbus Carborundum,
> >>
>
> Re The Living History Conferance
>
> Web Site =     http://www.livinghistory2000.org
>
> Joe Clark      jac13.clark@...
>
> Deanna Bibby.  gbibby@...
>
> Capt Gill Bibby
> HMS Wolf
> Berthed @ the Head of the Lake.

Greetings, Dave:

Nice to have you with us on this list.  You might like to know about another
discussion site I have started at http://deja.com/~warof1812/  This is not meant
to be a rival for this site, as I have discussed with Larry Lozon.  I think the
two sites complement each other, and the discussion is already heading in
different and positive directions as we both seek to explore different topics. 
We would be glad to have you joing us there as well as to see you on this site.

Incidentally, you had mentioned that you would submit some of the papers from
the War of 1812 in the West Symposium for publication in the Journal of the War
of 1812.  We would still be interested in doing so.

I still have the copy of the replica copy of "Standing Orders of The First
Infantry" and would like to review it in the Journal.  Could you give me the
price of it and the address where interested readers (and interested people on
this list) could obtain it.  Thanks!

Best regards

Chris George
Editor, Journal of the War of 1812
http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk/jour.htm
Founder, War of 1812 Discussion site
http://deja.com/~warof1812/


---- Begin Original Message ----

As I have just joined the 1812 onelist, wanted to introduce myself.   I am Dave
Bennett, from Parkville Missouri, located just North of Kansas City Missouri.  
I a member of Clemson's company First U.States Infantry & Boone's Missouri
Rangers.  The unit began in 1987 and has attended events at Fort Osage, Fort
Massac, Fort Madison, Fort Belle Fontaine, Fort Shelby (Prarie du Chien), Fort
Miegs, New Orleans and Mississinewa.I have been researching the First U.States
Infantry during the War of 1812 for over ten years.  I am a member of C.A.M.P
(Council on America's Past) and I am also the coordinator of the WAR OF 1812 IN
THE WEST Symposium. The TENTH annual Symposium will be held this year on March
25th and 26th, at the Arrow Rock State Historic site, situated in the center of
the state of Missouri. The War of 1812 in the West Symposium's are free and open
to the public.Dave Bennett.


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Greetings to All
By Happy circumstance I received a scanner for Christmas.  I now want to be
able to put up some of the pictures I have in my archive.  Unfortunately I
have deleted the earlier E- mails on our listing that indicated how to put
them in some common file (or something, I forget what).  Could anyone assist
in sending me the guff needed?.  In addition, what is the best form to do
the picture and what is the best resolution for the scan?????
Regards Richard Feltoe.

Fellow members of onelist, Chris George mentioned about the "Standing orders of
the First Regiment" that I have reproduced.  Chris, the Standing orders are 8.00
postage paid. They are hand bound with linen thread, 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 inches, with
paper wraps and a label. Each copy is 30 pages.  The current batch, has script
print, due that the original standing orders,that we copied,  was hand written
in 1807. After the current supply is gone, the next printing will incorporate a
different font. You may send requests for the STANDING ORDERS OF THE FIRST
INFANTRY (U.States) to:   Kinzie and Forsythe  406 West St. Parkville, Missouri
64152.Thanks! Dave.

Chris: and all,
once again!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't discuss this type of thing with me !!!!!!!!
but
Jim Yaworsky!!!!!!!!
he is the 'owner' of this Onelist !!!!

Chris wrote:
"This is not meant to be a rival for this site,
as I have discussed with Larry Lozon."

YES, by all means Chris, I do think this was a posting in
'BAD TASTE'   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and you did not discuss this posting with me!!!!!!!

If it was my List and not Jim's I would cut you off in a heartbeat!

Sorry List, it just pisses me off when people lie about me,
God knows I can get in enough trouble by myself !!!

Larry Lozon
"not the owner of the 1812 ONEList" !!!!!!!!



-----Original Message-----
From: "Christopher George" <christg@...
Greetings, Dave:

Nice to have you with us on this list.  You might like to know about another
discussion site I have started at http://deja.com/~warof1812/  This is not meant
to be a rival for this site, as I have discussed with Larry Lozon.  I think the
two sites complement each other, and the discussion is already heading in
different and positive directions as we both seek to explore different topics. 
We would be glad to have you joing us there as well as to see you on this site.


---- Dave's Original Message ----
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As I have just joined the 1812 onelist, wanted to introduce myself.   I am Dave
Bennett, from Parkville Missouri,  ......