Hello All,

Jon Latimer's '1812 War with America'covers the attitudes and dealings
of the New Englaners very nicely.

Cheers,

Len

north point is sunday august 31st.
    yrs,matt

Dave Westhouse <westhouse@...> wrote:
           Can anyone tell me the date for the Defenders Day event at North Point
this year? The web site seems to be down
(http://www.battlenorthpoint.org/)

thanks,
ian johns
3rd Reg't of Foote (The Buffs)

Event Dates are listed on a website for the benefit and courtesy of
Warof1812 List members at;
http://royal.scots.tripod.com/warof1812eventslist/

As long as dates are sent in and posted, then they will be there.

Listed on that site as well are dates from past years all the way
back to 1999.

Dave Westhouse.






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear folks:

First, as always, let me apologize for the cross posting and broad
coverage on this.  Some of you will no doubt get this two or three
times.  Second, let me apologize for wasting everyone's time with this
nonsense.  I do, however, feel that it needs to be addressed in a more
or less public forum.  I trust that you all can locate your delete keys
when you get tired of reading.  :-)

Below, you will find forwarded a lovely little "anonymous" e-mail that
is currently making the rounds.  Unfortunately for the originator -- and
fortunately for me -- a dear and trusted (and gravely concerned) friend
forwarded this to me.

Like all rot and fungus, nasty little things like this e-mail tend to
wither in the bright light.  So let's examine this closely in the light
of day, and give you factual information, and as sensible, mature
people, I am sure that you can make your own decisions from there.
First, the e-mail that's going around:

> name: UCH
>
> email: uch@...
> <mailto:uch@...>
>
> comment: Is it true that Susan Spencer has finally gone out of
> business? I see her site is down. Appearently she was really ignorant
> to Chris and Chris walked... and Susan won't talk to, or pay her for
> stock she's sold, or other suppliers either. I've heard more than one
> person say that they're tired of the fake smile, and all the storeis
> of why ordered items are so late... again.
>
> Please let me know if you've heard the same.
>
> See ya.


Okay, here are the facts -- or at least the facts as I see them:

1. No, I'm not out of business.  Still here, doors still open Tuesdays -
Sundays, still going on the road, still looking forward to the season.

2. Yes, my website was down briefly.  And thank you to the writer of
this anonymous email for pointing it out!  It's up and running just fine
now.  Still undergoing a massive update verrrrry slowly, but it's coming
. . .

3. Yes, Chris Bingham walked away from my operations and is no longer
associated with me in any way, shape, or form.  As to me being "really
ignorant" to her, I'm not sure to what the writer is referring, but
would be very interested in knowing details.  Quite the opposite to what
the writer states, I make regular efforts to reach Chris, and have done
so repeatedly over the last three months.  We were once good friends,
and while it was clear that our business relationship was untenable and
could no longer continue, I had hoped that I might have been of use to
Chris in some way, and that I might have continued to be a support for
her as I have been for many, many years.

4. As for me not paying Chris for stock of hers that I've sold, I am
unaware of anything outstanding to her, and  I have received no
communications from her requesting money.  It is possible that I have
missed something, but if so, payment has not been requested from me.
Not that this is anyone's business but Chris' and mine . . . but it
needs to be said, given the above.

5. Not paying other suppliers -- clearly this is conjecture, as I am the
only person privy to my accounts payable file.  Anyone who has any
concerns on this score may certainly contact me directly, off list.

6. "Stories of why ordered items are so late . . . again."  At present,
other than tent orders (where the tents are currently under
construction), I am unaware of anyone who is waiting for a specifically
ordered item to come in. (And I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong
here!)  Have I ever had an order come in late?  Absolutely.  So has
every other merchant in the world.  I am in the middle of a chain with
customers on one side and suppliers on the other, and I depend on my
suppliers to supply me in a timely fashion.  Sometimes that happens, and
sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes Customs has fun with packages, and that
can go on for months (can anybody say, "sewing patterns"?).  And
sometimes I screw up and it is my fault that things are late.  Do I do
my best to make it right, regardless of the cause?  Absolutely. Do I
give discounts, take a loss, replace items at my own cost, cover
shipping costs, drive miles to people's houses to deliver things in
person, and so forth?  You bet I do.  Do I lie about why things are
late?  Absolutely not.  Once again, if anyone has any concerns about
this whatsoever, they are welcome to contact me directly, off list.

Clearly the originator of this delightful missive has an axe to grind
with me, but equally clearly, they are lacking in the intestinal
fortitude to bring their issue forward to me face to face.  I'm not
going to speculate on their motives, but I think they're pretty
transparent.  I feel very strongly that it's important that I bring this
to light and expose both the original email and the facts (as I see
them).  It's the only way that I know of to (a) put a stop to the rumour
and (b) allow the thinking members of the community to make their own
decisions on me and my business practices.

In closing, let me apologize for using the bandwidth here for my own
purposes.  I would not have done so unless I felt that it was absolutely
necessary to bring this to light and put a stop to it before it spread
any farther as rumours in the dark.  Thank you for your indulgence.

With very best wishes to one and all -- and I am looking forward to
greeting you this season with a broad smile and a hearty hug.  (Oh, by
the way, that's a real smile . . . I don't know how to do a fake one
very well . . . :-) )
-- Sioux

And now, back to our usual programming on the Lists . . . should I
mention something like facial hair on soldiers to lighten the
atmosphere?  (Ducking and running for cover . . . !)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

List Members

My apologies for inflicting this on you all, but I think the kind of
nastiness Sue referes to has already done enough damage in the hobby!

Here is a copy of the response I sent to UCH.

UCH

Normally I wouldn't advise anyone to lower themselves by responding
to your scurrilous crap!  However, since Sue has made it public, I
will make a couple points in response to your post.

1) Anonymous letters are one of the most cowardly forms
of "communication" that I can think of, right down therewith dissing
people on restroom walls!

2) Clearly you have nothing useful to say or the nasty allegations
would be specific and, most importantly, addressed to the person they
claim to concern - Sue herself.

3) Clearly you have no personal stake in this other than spite or you
would have the courage to identify yourself and explain what your
personal issue is with Sue and her business.

Therefore, sir or madam, and I use those terms incredibly loosely,
please take your poison pen and stick it somewhere dark and
warm `where the sun don't shine'.

Peter Monahan,
satisfied customer and friend, I`m honoured to say, of Sue Spencer

I'd like to echo Mr. Flowers and Mr. Monahan in their support of Sue
and general condemnation of the actions of UCH, whoever they are.
It is one thing to stand up and make constructive criticism , or
advocate for change but this is obviously the work of someone who
hasn't left the highschool bathroom politics behind.   Gossip, rumour
and invective, nothing more.

Craig Williams

Craig Williams_,_._,___



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sue is a fine lady who has always merited respect and warm inclusion in the
hobby. I add my voice to that of Craig Williams and Peter Monahan.

Vic Suthren
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: peter monahan
   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:37 AM
   Subject: [War Of 1812] Re: Setting the record straight, in self defense (long
-- sorry!)


   List Members

   My apologies for inflicting this on you all, but I think the kind of
   nastiness Sue referes to has already done enough damage in the hobby!

   Here is a copy of the response I sent to UCH.

   UCH

   Normally I wouldn't advise anyone to lower themselves by responding
   to your scurrilous crap! However, since Sue has made it public, I
   will make a couple points in response to your post.

   1) Anonymous letters are one of the most cowardly forms
   of "communication" that I can think of, right down therewith dissing
   people on restroom walls!

   2) Clearly you have nothing useful to say or the nasty allegations
   would be specific and, most importantly, addressed to the person they
   claim to concern - Sue herself.

   3) Clearly you have no personal stake in this other than spite or you
   would have the courage to identify yourself and explain what your
   personal issue is with Sue and her business.

   Therefore, sir or madam, and I use those terms incredibly loosely,
   please take your poison pen and stick it somewhere dark and
   warm `where the sun don't shine'.

   Peter Monahan,
   satisfied customer and friend, I`m honoured to say, of Sue Spencer





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You know, since moving into the area, I have found Sue to be a caring nurturing
person who puts up people just wanting to come in and talk about this wonderful
hobby of ours.  Many is the time I have come in ostensibly to find out about
patterns or lace or such, and end up talking to her for ours on end.  At no
point in time have I ever felt I was putting her out, or that I was being a
nuisance (which I'm sure I have been).   She has always been ready with her
infectious smile and general positive outlook on everything she is someone I
would be proud to call a friend.

  To the cowardly person who would state such defamatory things about such a
great and genuine person I say truly, do the world a favour and keep your
ignorant and petty comments to yourself, no one needs to hear them.

Paul,
21st US




       Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the
boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail.  Click on Options in Mail and switch to New
Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sue

I do believe, that the whole of Crown and U.S. forces will rally to
your side. You are a true Lady, in every sense of the word.
I think UCH has bit off more than mere mortals can chew.

Paul Schaef

List:
I add my voice strongly to those who have already written in Sue's
defence. Of course, the attack is anonymous. Such missives are never
backed by courage or integrity.
Sue definitely has my vote.
Yrs etc.
Ray Hobbs
41st

Naval Establishment
Crown Forces North America

General Signal
March 8th, 2008

Promotional Boards,
Competitions &
Awards

Lieutenancy Board

At the School of the Sailor, to be held at Discovery Harbour, Penetanguishene,
Ontario, July 18-20, a Lieutenancy Board will be convened at One Bell (0830) in
the Forenoon Watch of Sunday, July 20. The candidate to be examined for
confirmation in the rank of Lieutenant in the Naval Establishment shall be:

FITTON, Charles

Cock O' The Walk Trophy

The fabled Cock O' The Walk Trophy will again be competed for by participating
longboats and bateaux at the 2008 School of the Sailor, and shall be awarded at
the Commodore's Reception at Discovery Harbour on Saturday, following the
Rowpast that concludes the Saturday training schedule. Boats shall be judged on
historical accuracy of appearance; smartness; performance; crew spirit; and
evident seamanship.

Naval General Service Medal

The Colonial Sailor Program of Canada's Navy, which encourages and supports
naval re-enactment, is giving consideration to supporting the production of a
museum-quality replica of the Naval General Service Medal, which would be issued
to all naval re-enactors who have taken part in one or more of the Navy and
Provincial Marine-related commemorations and re-enactments that likely will be
part of the Bicentennial of the War of 1812. This should be a much-prized
memento.

The Yeo Cup

Planning still continues for the staging of a series of challenging
passagemaking competition for boats' crews of 1812, Crown Forces and American,
under sail and oar and in period dress, over several selected courses, during
the War of 1812 Bicentennial. A Yeo Cup Planning Committee will be formed to
select the course to be sailed, and the year and date, of the first Yeo Cup
competition. Courses proposed to date are:

Kingston, Ontario, to Sackets Harbor, New York
Amherstburg, Ontario, to Put-in Bay, Ohio
Toronto, Ontario, to Niagara-on-the-lake, Ontario

A Test Race will be run from Kingston, Ontario via the North Channel to Bath,
Ontario, followed by a circumnavigation of Amherst Island and return to Kingston
via the Boat Channel between Simcoe Island and Wolfe Island. This likely will
occur in 2010 or 2011.

The Miller Worseley Commemorative Voyage

As a culminating major small boat event of the 1812 commemorations, the Colonial
Sailor Program of the Navy is considering the sponsorship of a major Upper Lakes
re-enactment voyage for seaworthy longboats, from the mouth of the Nottawasaga
River and/or Discovery Harbour to Mackinac Island. Participating boats would be
supported by contracts, and a Safety Escort vessel would supervise the
flotilla's progress. This event would be planned as a "wrap-up" of the small
boat commemorations of the 1812 Bicentennial, without prejudice to events that
may be planned by the Bicentennial Commissions or responsible agencies such as
Parks Canada.

I have the Honour to be,
Gentlemen,
Yours with great Regard

Victor Suthren

Commodore pro tem
Naval Establishments
Crown Forces North America

GOD SAVE THE KING.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

List:
I apologise for missing greetings on Big Dewi's Day. As Tom Fournier
said, I was enjoying it in Cardiff, attending meetings with various
folk in preparation for the visit of the 41st to the city next year.
All is shaping up well, and you will hear more of this at a later date.
It is my duty first to report to Capt. Fournier and the 41st Executive.
And, to confirm the suspicions, yes, I did spend some time in the Goat
Major Pub, right opposite the entrance to Cardiff Castle, in the
company of John Dart and Jon Latimer, and more than one was hoisted to
the many friends in the 1812 community.
I left sunshine and daffodils to return to a dump of snow, which,
according to CBC is the sixteenth storm this season - now a record.
Yrs etc.
Ray Hobbs
41st Regt.

Croeso i Canada!
Welcome home Mr Hobbs.
Yechid Da!
Jim


> List:
> I apologise for missing greetings on Big Dewi's Day. As Tom
Fournier
> said, I was enjoying it in Cardiff, attending meetings with various
> folk in preparation for the visit of the 41st to the city next
year.
> All is shaping up well, and you will hear more of this at a later
date.
> It is my duty first to report to Capt. Fournier and the 41st
Executive.
> And, to confirm the suspicions, yes, I did spend some time in the
Goat
> Major Pub, right opposite the entrance to Cardiff Castle, in the
> company of John Dart and Jon Latimer, and more than one was hoisted
to
> the many friends in the 1812 community.
> I left sunshine and daffodils to return to a dump of snow, which,
> according to CBC is the sixteenth storm this season - now a record.
> Yrs etc.
> Ray Hobbs
> 41st Regt.
>

List,
I feel my need to voice my complete disgust and loathing of such an
immature attack on Susan.
I am relieved to see that she has defended herself in the typical
intelligent and classy action that we have all known her to exemplify.
Furthermore, it is also good to see so much support from many members
on the list.
I have personally known Susan for many years, and to read some of these
wild allegations truely smacks of an unintelligent, ranting lunatic.
To those who know Susan personally, no more explanation is needed. To
those who don't, simply ask other colleagues. You will discover there
are very few 1812'ers who are more honest, caring, and well liked as
Susan Spencer.

Rick Peterson

Sue,

   While not part of the Crown Forces, I too must state that you are every bit
the lady and a sterling example of what a sutler should be!

   YMH&OS,

   Bob Dorian
   US Engineer
   Independence, MO
   USA

Ray Hobbs <ray.hobbs@...> wrote:
           List:
I add my voice strongly to those who have already written in Sue's
defence. Of course, the attack is anonymous. Such missives are never
backed by courage or integrity.
Sue definitely has my vote.
Yrs etc.
Ray Hobbs
41st





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well said Bob and All,
Squire.

Manor of Titchmarsh.
Northamptonshire,
England



Sue,

While not part of the Crown Forces, I too must state that you are every bit the
lady and a sterling example of what a sutler should be!

YMH&OS,

Bob Dorian
US Engineer
Independence, MO
USA

Ray Hobbs <ray.hobbs@sympatico .ca> wrote:
List:
I add my voice strongly to those who have already written in Sue's
defence. Of course, the attack is anonymous. Such missives are never
backed by courage or integrity.
Sue definitely has my vote.
Yrs etc.
Ray Hobbs
41st

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

As do I.

   Hal Dennison



suthren@... wrote:
           Sue is a fine lady who has always merited respect and warm inclusion
in the hobby. I add my voice to that of Craig Williams and Peter Monahan.

Vic Suthren
----- Original Message -----
From: peter monahan
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:37 AM
Subject: [War Of 1812] Re: Setting the record straight, in self defense (long --
sorry!)

List Members

My apologies for inflicting this on you all, but I think the kind of
nastiness Sue referes to has already done enough damage in the hobby!

Here is a copy of the response I sent to UCH.

UCH

Normally I wouldn't advise anyone to lower themselves by responding
to your scurrilous crap! However, since Sue has made it public, I
will make a couple points in response to your post.

1) Anonymous letters are one of the most cowardly forms
of "communication" that I can think of, right down therewith dissing
people on restroom walls!

2) Clearly you have nothing useful to say or the nasty allegations
would be specific and, most importantly, addressed to the person they
claim to concern - Sue herself.

3) Clearly you have no personal stake in this other than spite or you
would have the courage to identify yourself and explain what your
personal issue is with Sue and her business.

Therefore, sir or madam, and I use those terms incredibly loosely,
please take your poison pen and stick it somewhere dark and
warm `where the sun don't shine'.

Peter Monahan,
satisfied customer and friend, I`m honoured to say, of Sue Spencer

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Naval Establishment
Crown Forces North America

General Signal
March 8th, 2008

Requested Standards of Dress
School Of The Sailor 2008

Officers attending the 2008 School Of The Sailor at Discovery Harbour,
Penetanguishene, July 18-20, are requested , for the Friday evening and Saturday
training schedule to wear seamen's dress, or Undress uniform, in order to take
part fully in the instructional and boatwork activities which are being plann'd
and put into place with efficiency by Lt. Hurlbut and his staff.

Seamen may wear summer Straw headdress as they may wish, and may leave off
Jackets if hot weather requires, and the agreement of Boat Coxswains is
obtained. A general smartness and tidiness of appearance is nonetheless requir'd
of All Hands, whether serving forward or aft.

As evolutions will proceed regardless of foul weather, excepting in that of a
dangerous nature, all Hands are to provide themselves with Foul Weather Gear, of
period appearance if possible, but of serviceable modern design if not.

All Hands, including Officers, may adopt the convenience of the soldier's or
marine's haversack as a means of carrying personal necessaries for the weekend.

All officers attending are requested to dress in their best Uniforms for the
Sunday, with Swords and Epaulettes if own'd, and this to include the members of
the Lieutenancy Board to be convened at One Bell in the Forenoon Watch, Sunday
morning.

The Royal Marine detachment present shall Parade in uniform as the Staff Officer
(Marines) shall direct, with a request that Full Dress be worn on the Sunday.
Participating infantry detachments are asked to adhere to this as well.

With the expected attendance of many members of the Public in observance of all
our activities, all modern intrusions should not show on any officer or man's
person. If glare requires a participant to wear sunglasses, these must be of
period design or must be put off.

Orders For Officers
School of the Sailor

The Lieutenancy Board to be formed of the following:

CDRE V Suthren, Chair
CAPT G Bibby, Vice Chair
CDR P Rindlisbacher
CDR M Pergunas
A/CDR P Schifferdecker

LT T Hurlbut to serve as Officer In Charge, 2008 School of the Sailor
LT K Fisher to attend to Encampment needs as LT Hurlbut may require
LT D May to attend to Longboat and Sailing Vessel Docking, Line Handling and
Liaison as LT Hurlbut may require

CAPT Bibby, CDR Rindlisbacher, CDR Pergunas and A/CDR Schifferdecker to
otherwise undertake duties as may be requested of them by the Commodore or OIC,
School of the Sailor, as the exigencies of the Service may require, and the
needs of boats or crews which may be under their command.

I have the Honour to be,
Gentlemen,
Yours with great Regard

Victor Suthren

Commodore pro tem
Naval Establishment
Crown Forces North America

GOD SAVE THE KING.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My support for Sioux should go without saying but sometimes you have it say
it anyway.  Add me to those who stand with her.

However.  An "anonymous" e-mail is hardly anonymous though, is it?  Assuming
they weren't dumb enough to send it via their own e-mail account, there is
enough information in the header of the original e-mail (normally hidden but
can be pulled up) that can point to the originator given the know-how.

Why not shed a little light on the dark deed?

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter monahan" <petemonahan@...>
To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:37 AM
Subject: [War Of 1812] Re: Setting the record straight, in self defense
(long -- sorry!)


> List Members
>
> My apologies for inflicting this on you all, but I think the kind of
> nastiness Sue referes to has already done enough damage in the hobby!
>
> Here is a copy of the response I sent to UCH.
>
> UCH
>
> Normally I wouldn't advise anyone to lower themselves by responding
> to your scurrilous crap!  However, since Sue has made it public, I
> will make a couple points in response to your post.
>
> 1) Anonymous letters are one of the most cowardly forms
> of "communication" that I can think of, right down therewith dissing
> people on restroom walls!
>
> 2) Clearly you have nothing useful to say or the nasty allegations
> would be specific and, most importantly, addressed to the person they
> claim to concern - Sue herself.
>
> 3) Clearly you have no personal stake in this other than spite or you
> would have the courage to identify yourself and explain what your
> personal issue is with Sue and her business.
>
> Therefore, sir or madam, and I use those terms incredibly loosely,
> please take your poison pen and stick it somewhere dark and
> warm `where the sun don't shine'.
>
> Peter Monahan,
> satisfied customer and friend, I`m honoured to say, of Sue Spencer
>
>
>
>   War of 1812 Living History:
> A wide-ranging information exchange
> for all participants and supporters
>
>
> Unit Contact information for North America:
>   Crown Forces Unit Listing:
>        http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>   American Forces Unit Listing
>        http://usforces1812.tripod.com
>
> WAR OF 1812 EVENTS LIST:
>   http://royal.scots.tripod.com/warof1812eventslist
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Just a quick note...

I don't know who UCH is... but he/she/it is most CERTAINLY not associated
with "UpperCanadianHeritage.com"... which I sometimes refer to as "UCH"...

I don't know what prompted this... nor do I need to as enough people of
good character are saying that it needs no more attention.

...but again, this person/troll is NOT in any way shape or form related to
our servers or website.

                Matthew Didier

_________________________________________
Matthew James Didier - Webmaster and Administrator of
The Upper Canadian Heritage Websites

matthew@...

http://www.uppercanadianheritage.com/

"I want the cultures of all lands to blow about my house, as freely as
possible,
but I refuse to be blown off my feet, by anyone of them"
- Mahatma Ghandi

Honourary Member - The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
Honourary Member - The Norfolk Militia (Heritage Regiment) - Rifle Coy.

====================================
Please take some time to visit my personal website...
http://www.doubledeckerbuses.org/blog/

====================================

If I may, I would like to add my own note of support for Sue in this
matter. In my own experience, I have never found any of the
allegations made with regard to Sue's service to have any merit
whatsoever, and I am very dismayed at the defamation of a friend and
fellow reenactor.

Furthermore, allow me to add this cautionary note: UCH, whoever you
may be(and assuming you monitor at least one of these lists)... if
you continue to slander a well liked and even more respected member
of our community, you will VERY quickly find that there are no
shortage of individuals willing to defend that lady's honour.
Assuming that you are also a member of that community, you risk (at
the very least) alienation and ostracism if you persist. Should you
take exception to this warning, feel free to respond privately... I
make no secret of MY identity.

Dale Kidd
Fleet Master at Arms,
CFNA Naval Establishment
ucpm_gunner@...

In a message dated 3/8/2008 11:54:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dancingbobd@... writes:

<<Sue,

While not part of the Crown Forces, I too must  state that you are every bit
the lady and a sterling example of what a sutler  should be!

YMH&OS,

Bob Dorian
US  Engineer
Independence, MO
USA>>



Bob,

Indeed she is.

I have bought many items from her and she has taken orders from me and
always delivered with a smile on her face. Living far away from the center of
action as I do,  I can always count on Sue to either have what I am looking  for
or be able to get it from one of her suppliers. She is always the first stop
on my agenda when ever I get back east. Simply said, she is one of the  finest
persons and sutlers I have ever know!

Sincerely,
JG/RE



**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money &
Finance.      (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am also sorry to see the disrespect and hostility shown to Sue, one
of our most respected members of our community.  Without civility
there can be no commerce.  Without commerce there can be no community.

I am further dismayed by the number of these bitter and twisted
individuals who seem to be drawn to our community.  I second Dale's
suggestion that the offending individual be "banned" from our
community in all the ways that are implied by that term.  Life is too
short to waste any time on their dramas and hallucinations.

Webmasters can and do identify offensive email sources every day of
the week.

Gord Deans

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Kidd" <ucpm_gunner@...>
To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: [War Of 1812] Re: Setting the record straight...


If I may, I would like to add my own note of support for Sue in this
matter. In my own experience, I have never found any of the
allegations made with regard to Sue's service to have any merit
whatsoever, and I am very dismayed at the defamation of a friend and
fellow reenactor.

Furthermore, allow me to add this cautionary note: UCH, whoever you
may be(and assuming you monitor at least one of these lists)... if
you continue to slander a well liked and even more respected member
of our community, you will VERY quickly find that there are no
shortage of individuals willing to defend that lady's honour.
Assuming that you are also a member of that community, you risk (at
the very least) alienation and ostracism if you persist. Should you
take exception to this warning, feel free to respond privately... I
make no secret of MY identity.

Dale Kidd
Fleet Master at Arms,
CFNA Naval Establishment
ucpm_gunner@...

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Lists:

I want to express my profound thanks to the many people who have sprung
to my defense over the last day or so, and to those who have sent me
notes of concern and support, both on and off the Lists.  I am very
deeply touched.

I have always thought of our community as a close-knit, friendly one,
and I continue to hold this opinion - now more so than ever, in fact.  I
can't think of a better group of people to work and socialize with, and
I know that I am very privileged to be able to make my living in such a
great environment.

To those who wish to identify the originator of the e-mail, whoever it
might turn out to be, I'd say don't bother.  It really doesn't matter to
me.  Far more important than the one negative are the multitude of
positives, and frankly, I'd rather focus on them.  To Matthew - not to
worry, I never believed that it was the Upper Canadian Heritage site or
anyone associated with it who had sent the e-mail - I was sure that it
was a cover, by which the real sender attempted to draw you into the
issue and cause further trouble.  I am sorry that he or she attempted to
involve you in that way.

Once again, thank you to everyone for your kind words and good wishes.
It definitely makes hauling three tons of stuff all over creation all
summer long worthwhile, as does your excellent company and ongoing
dedication to our shared passion for history.

With a happy heart, I look forward to seeing you all down the road . . .
starting with Kalamazoo next weekend (Customs willing!)!  :-)
-- Sioux




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would also like to add my support to Sue Spencer.  If there is
anyone in our community that exemplifies the qualities that we wish to
see in those around us, it's Sue.  All who know her can agree that she
is a valuable member of our community and many of us are glad to call
her a friend.  What most impresses me right now is that she hasn't
"declared war", but rather has handled all of this with dignity.
Hat's off to you for that Sue!
What I find equally impressive is the way that so many people have
jumped to her defense.  I looked on this list this morning and all I
saw was everyone standing up for Sue.  I think it's situations like
this that remind us that we are a community of people who are all
trying to do the same thing.  On this list, the things that we see
most often are debates.  These are generally quite interesting and
educational, but they occasionally erupt into a  "flame war" in which
some people get upset and tempers fly.  I'm sure also that we can all
think of instances when individuals or groups are at odds with each
other and can't seem to say a civil word to each other.  Seeing this
can be quite discouraging at times.  As someone who generally likes to
be a "peacemaker" and who hates being at odds with anyone, I think
this can be one of the most destructive things that we can do to each
other.
I've been part of this community since 2001 which is not near as long
as many of you, and I am proud to be part of it.  Some of the closest
friends I have are people who I've met at events and I look forward to
the coming season when we can all get together again.  I really think
that we have a great thing going here and seeing everyone jump to
Sue's defense reminds me yet again that there are a lot of great
people in this hobby and when we all stand together on something, it's
great to see and we can accomplish so much.  As the old saying goes,
the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.  This is how I feel
about the 1812 Community.
As for the unknown person who started all of this, I agree that he/she
should be "banned"  Not just because of this one e-mail, but because
he/she displays the self-serving type of attitude that can undermine
the spirit of this community and cause problems that we don't need.
There.  Having had my say, I will finish being sappy and sentimental
and sign off now.

Cheers!
Mike Jansen
1st Lincoln Militia.

I think Mike has put things very well, but it is a sad fact that anyone who
comes to prominence within our community (or any other for that  matter) will
have both supporters and detractors, it's inevitable. What  stuns me is how
such a kind, helpful and enthusiastic person as Sue could draw  such attention.

Could it be jealousy perhaps? I know that there are some who resent the  fact
that others make their living within the community or through it weather it
be as a sutler, actor, researcher, whatever. Those who feel this way will jump
  on the smallest perceived slight in order to feel better about their
resentment.  Weather or not this was the reason behind the cowardly attack on
Sue I
don't  know but it certainly sounds like it to me. I will certainly echo the
sentiment  that the class Sue has shown is remarkable and I certainly want to
add my voice  to her supporters both as a friend and very satisfied customer.

As ever,

Tim



**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money &
Finance.      (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

1812's

I have done business with Sue for many years and have found her very
business like with her accounts payable.

She is a nice lady and has been helping re-enactors in many time
periods.

This attack is uncalled for.

Yrs.,
  Larry Lozon (L2)

Hi all, I can't predict the future but, gas wil "not" hit $1.40 this summer.
Don't believe everything you hear, we go down this parinoid road every year. As
for Taga & 200,000 barrels a day, we spill more than that {LOL}. That's just a
pee in the bucket.

   RNR Rooster
   {one of those bad oil guys}

tedyeat <tedyeat@...> wrote:
           Maybe a Hampster powered hybrid van....???

----------------------------------
Crude May Rise to $120 in Six Months, Taqa CEO Says (Update2)

By Glen Carey

March 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may rise to $120 a barrel within six
months due to the dollar weakness and global political tensions, the
chief executive officer of Abu Dhabi National Energy Co. said.

``I think a trading range between $80 and $120 a barrel this year is
about right,'' Peter Barker-Homek, the head of the United Arab
Emirates state-controlled company, which is also known as Taqa, said
in an interview in Dubai today. ``But with the softness of the
dollar, and the occasional interruptions that you have because of
politics, I think we could see $120 oil.''

In October, Barker-Homek said that crude would rise to $100 from $80
before the end of the first quarter because of unfettered Asian
demand growth and possible supply shocks. Oil prices continued to
rise today after the Taqa CEO made his latest forecast.

Crude oil for April delivery rose as much as 70 cents in earlier
electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange and was up 28
cents at $102.73 a barrel at 2:06 p.m. London time. The Organization
of Petroleum Exporting Countries will meet tomorrow in Vienna, where
members have already ruled out changing output.

The dollar traded near a record low versus the euro as traders
increased bets that the Federal Reserve will lower interest rates by
0.75 percentage point this month. The U.S. currency was at $1.5217
per euro.

Sub-Prime Opportunities

The Abu Dhabi-based energy company, with $21 billion in assets,
expects to grow its business this year by 25 percent, or $5 billion,
and has plans to make acquisitions in Europe and the U.S., Barker-
Homek said. ``In order to achieve our goal of being a $60 billion
asset company by 2012, we have to grow our asset base by 25 percent
year-on-year.''

The U.S. subprime mortgage crisis will provide state- controlled Taqa
with investment opportunities over the next two to three years as
smaller energy companies in the U.S. and Europe look to expand their
energy assets without having to borrow from banks, he said.

Energy companies ``have to make some decisions about either
sacrificing growth, in which case they will be compromising
shareholder value growth, or look for merger of equals or take over
candidates,'' Barker-Homek said. ``There are ample opportunities to
grow the franchise.''

Persian Gulf sovereign wealth funds, whose coffers are swelling from
the near-record oil prices, are snapping up stakes in banks battered
by U.S. subprime mortgage losses. Citigroup Inc. was propped up in
November by a $7.5 billion investment from the Abu Dhabi Investment
Authority after losing almost half its market value.

Taqa plans to expand its crude oil production to 200,000 barrels a
day of oil equivalent by 2009, up from its production of 160,000
barrels a day now, Barker-Homek said.






---------------------------------
Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot
with the All-new Yahoo! Mail

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

tedyeat <tedyeat@...> wrote:
>           Maybe a Hampster powered hybrid van....???

On a serious note...

While hybrid vehicles may indeed provide a solution suitable for some
of us, I have yet to see one that is capable of efficiently
(read "cheaply") pulling our trailers laden with boats, cannon, or tons
of sutlery goods. Until hybrid technology reaches a point where it can
reliably duplicate the full capabilities of the internal combustion
engine at a fraction of the cost, hybrid vehicles will not truly
provide a viable alternative for many of us. And that's a shame,
because getting to events certainly isn't getting any cheaper year to
year.

~Dale

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "ianjohns08060" <ianjohns@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me the date for the Defenders Day event at North
Point
> this year? The web site seems to be down
> (http://www.battlenorthpoint.org/)

The battlenorthpoint.org web site came back up Saturday night.

The site went down Thursday, when the web hosting service's server on
which it lived experienced unrecoverable hardware failure. Sorry for
any confusion this outage may have caused about the event date.

As noted by some, the 'Defenders Day at North Point' event date is
Sunday, August 31st, 2008.  The web site has information on
registration, schedules, amenities, contacts, etc.

webmaster, www.battlenorthpoint.org

Hello all,

Sue Ramsay at Battlefield House has asked if I would pass on the
following information.  Not being a "computer-guy" I will try to
explain this as best I can.

In a recent conversation with Sue , she informed me that there has
been some problems with the online registration resulting from
someone trying to either "attach" to the link or cut and paste the page.
This had screwed the on-line registration up. The IT guy for BH says
that it should be fixed if not already then shortly, but also asks
that folks don't try lift the info from the web as it apparently
doesn't work for anyone. Just fill out your registration there on-line.

Thanks,

Craig