All-
      In yet another moment of American ignorance, what sparked this
rebellion?  I presume that this was part of a larger campaign about which we
south of the 49th Parallel are not taught.

Yours,
John Ogden


On 12/5/05, suthren@... <suthren@...> wrote:
>
> In 1987 a re-enactment of the 1837 Rebellion was staged at St. Denis,
> where
> a party of mixed francophone and anglophone Canadian rebels led by an
> anglophone (Dr. Wolfred Nelson), and many veterans of the War of 1812,
> defeated a British line regiment in a sharp fight and sent them retiring
> in
> some disorder (The Canadian rebels picked up and cared for the abandoned
> Brit wounded after the battle. When the Brits returned some months later
> they reclaimed the convalescing wounded and then burned out the farmers
> who
> had sheltered them). The re-enactment aroused so many latent passions that
> a
> fist fight broke out between some of the 'British' and 'rebel'
> re-enactors.
> A red coat is still not welcome in the Richelieu Valley, and with good
> reason.
>
> Vic Suthren
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Monahan" <petemonahan@...>
> To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> Rebellion?"
>
>
> > Gord
> >
> > For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle furder north - like
> King
> City!  (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King City" - 40km/25miles n of C of
> Kn.Universe - is mostly fields.)
> >
> > Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just the
> weather?  :7)
> >
> > P
> > ============================================================
> > From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@...>
> > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
> > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> Rebellion?"
> >
> > Peter;
> >
> > What a great scenario.  Imagine the entire line scattering across an
> open
> field shouting "Run away! Run away!".  And think of the public crowd, all
> better armed than the re-enactors, with some of them getting carried away
> and "poppin' caps in the air" (or worse).
> >
> > The re-enactment would go down in history as the "Yonge Street Races".
> Hoo-Aahhh!  I love the smell of black powder in the morning.
> >
> > Isn't it great to be Canadian.
> >
> > Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
> > In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper Canada
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: peter monahan
> >   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
> >   Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian Military History
> >   ...
> >   "Battle of Yonge Street.  A group of "revolutionaries" are marching
> down
> Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by Loyalist volunteers who begin
> firing
> at them.  When some of the rebels kneel to fire their weapons, the men at
> the back believe they have been shot and flee in panic, prompting the
> collapse of the entire rebel column.  It is an auspicious beginning to
> William Lyon Mackenzie's rebellion in Upper Canada."
> >   ...
> >   Peter Monahan
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
> of
> square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
> of
> square miles...
> >
> > Unit Contact information for North America:
> >    ---------------------------------
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> > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
> of
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> of
> square miles...
> >
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> >    ---------------------------------
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> >
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> square miles...
>
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Vic et al:
I am sure the members of our Regiment involved  will not mind me
passing this on. Two of our members have Francophone heritage, and
their father was quite shocked that they had joined a British redcoated
reenactment regiment.
Such predilections run deep in Canadian culture. Yet, the "Canadians"
(meaning in 1812 parlance French Canadians) fought well and with
courage against invading American forces - viz Chateauguay etc., etc.
Ray Hobbs
41st CO
Hamilton UC




On Monday, December 5, 2005, at 05:43 PM, <suthren@...> wrote:

> In 1987 a re-enactment of the 1837 Rebellion was staged at St. Denis,
> where
> a party of mixed francophone and anglophone Canadian rebels led by an
> anglophone (Dr. Wolfred Nelson), and many veterans of the War of 1812,
> defeated a British line regiment in a sharp fight and sent them
> retiring in
> some disorder (The Canadian rebels picked up and cared for the
> abandoned
> Brit wounded after the battle. When the Brits returned some months
> later
> they reclaimed the convalescing wounded and then burned out the
> farmers who
> had sheltered them). The re-enactment aroused so many latent passions
> that a
> fist fight broke out between some of the 'British' and 'rebel'
> re-enactors.
> A red coat is still not welcome in the Richelieu Valley, and with good
> reason.
>
> Vic Suthren
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Monahan" <petemonahan@...>
> To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> Rebellion?"
>
>
> > Gord
> >
> > For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle furder north - like
> King
> City!  (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King City" - 40km/25miles n of C
> of
> Kn.Universe - is mostly fields.)
> >
> > Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just the
> weather?  :7)
> >
> > P
> > ============================================================
> > From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@...>
> > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
> > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> Rebellion?"
> >
> > Peter;
> >
> > What a great scenario.  Imagine the entire line scattering across an
> open
> field shouting "Run away! Run away!".  And think of the public crowd,
> all
> better armed than the re-enactors, with some of them getting carried
> away
> and "poppin' caps in the air" (or worse).
> >
> > The re-enactment would go down in history as the "Yonge Street
> Races".
> Hoo-Aahhh!  I love the smell of black powder in the morning.
> >
> > Isn't it great to be Canadian.
> >
> > Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
> > In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper Canada
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: peter monahan
> >   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
> >   Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian Military History
> >   ...
> >   "Battle of Yonge Street.  A group of "revolutionaries" are
> marching down
> Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by Loyalist volunteers who begin
> firing
> at them.  When some of the rebels kneel to fire their weapons, the men
> at
> the back believe they have been shot and flee in panic, prompting the
> collapse of the entire rebel column.  It is an auspicious beginning to
> William Lyon Mackenzie's rebellion in Upper Canada."
> >   ...
> >   Peter Monahan
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of
> hundreds of
> square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of
> THOUSANDS of
> square miles...
> >
> > Unit Contact information for North America:
> >    ---------------------------------
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> >
> >
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> THOUSANDS of
> square miles...
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Vic

Yes, the Lower Canadian rebellion was a horse of a different colour entirely -
pitched battles, buildings cleared at bayonet point and artillery shelling
chruches as I recall.  I can see both why it would be re-enacted and why it
still provokes a passionate response!
Something else for our francophone brethern to remember to our discredit, I'm
afraid.

John

In a nut shell, both Upper and Lower Canada had representative Assemblies,and
British appointed Lt-Governors who in turn appointed the Councils (read
"cabints") which made the real decisions.  The Governors were not responsible to
the assemblies - couldn't be replaced except at London's pleasure - and the
Councils represented landed and wealthy interests, not the population at large. 
In LC (Quebec), of course made wprse by the fact that the Council were either
English or "Anglo-loving" Frenchmen.

The "rebels" were in fact making modest demands even by the standards of the
time - "representative government" - and would likely have gotten it in another
few years if they hadn't chosen to march instead of just editoralizing and
speechifying.  (My sympathy is with them, BTW, I'd have marched too!).

Some of the rebels escaped to the US and raided back into Canada in the summer
of'38, raising tensions between the 2 countries before they were suppressed.  As
it was, a number of the French were killed in battle, 12 were hanged and 60
transported to Australia where they were roughly used by the patriotic criminal
classes of England.  A number of the Upper Cdn rebels were tried and transported
too.

The grandson of W. L. Mackenzie, W.L.M. King, became Prime Minister of Canada in
the 1920's & '30's and proudly displayed the wanted poster for his G.dad to the
King of England when he visited!  A small but key step in our march to
nationhood.

Peter


============================================================
From: John Ogden <johnjogden@...>
Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 06:23:54 EST
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
Rebellion?"

All-
      In yet another moment of American ignorance, what sparked this
rebellion?  I presume that this was part of a larger campaign about which we
south of the 49th Parallel are not taught.

Yours,
John Ogden


On 12/5/05, suthren@... <suthren@...> wrote:
>
> In 1987 a re-enactment of the 1837 Rebellion was staged at St. Denis,
> where
> a party of mixed francophone and anglophone Canadian rebels led by an
> anglophone (Dr. Wolfred Nelson), and many veterans of the War of 1812,
> defeated a British line regiment in a sharp fight and sent them retiring
> in
> some disorder (The Canadian rebels picked up and cared for the abandoned
> Brit wounded after the battle. When the Brits returned some months later
> they reclaimed the convalescing wounded and then burned out the farmers
> who
> had sheltered them). The re-enactment aroused so many latent passions that
> a
> fist fight broke out between some of the 'British' and 'rebel'
> re-enactors.
> A red coat is still not welcome in the Richelieu Valley, and with good
> reason.
>
> Vic Suthren
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Monahan" <petemonahan@...>
> To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> Rebellion?"
>
>
> > Gord
> >
> > For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle furder north - like
> King
> City!  (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King City" - 40km/25miles n of C of
> Kn.Universe - is mostly fields.)
> >
> > Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just the
> weather?  :7)
> >
> > P
> > ============================================================
> > From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@...>
> > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
> > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> Rebellion?"
> >
> > Peter;
> >
> > What a great scenario.  Imagine the entire line scattering across an
> open
> field shouting "Run away! Run away!".  And think of the public crowd, all
> better armed than the re-enactors, with some of them getting carried away
> and "poppin' caps in the air" (or worse).
> >
> > The re-enactment would go down in history as the "Yonge Street Races".
> Hoo-Aahhh!  I love the smell of black powder in the morning.
> >
> > Isn't it great to be Canadian.
> >
> > Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
> > In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper Canada
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: peter monahan
> >   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
> >   Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian Military History
> >   ...
> >   "Battle of Yonge Street.  A group of "revolutionaries" are marching
> down
> Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by Loyalist volunteers who begin
> firing
> at them.  When some of the rebels kneel to fire their weapons, the men at
> the back believe they have been shot and flee in panic, prompting the
> collapse of the entire rebel column.  It is an auspicious beginning to
> William Lyon Mackenzie's rebellion in Upper Canada."
> >   ...
> >   Peter Monahan
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
> of
> square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
> of
> square miles...
> >
> > Unit Contact information for North America:
> >    ---------------------------------
> > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> >
> > American Forces Unit Listing
> > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> >
> >
> > Peter Monahan
> > petermonahan@...
> > 705-435-0953 home
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
> of
> square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
> of
> square miles...
> >
> > Unit Contact information for North America:
> >    ---------------------------------
> > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> >
> > American Forces Unit Listing
> > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
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The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of square
miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of square
miles...

Unit Contact information for North America:
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List:
To bring this back to 1812 (and, it does have a connection) some
members of the 41st Regiment, such as Captain Fuller, Paymaster Raye
and Lieut., Thomas Taylor, were all close friends of the men who would
later rebel against the Government.
In 1811 Taylor even acted as second to William Warren Baldwin, a leader
of the later rebels, against MacDonnell, Brock's AdC in a duel. Their
sympathies were clearly with the Irish lower middle class in Upper
Canada, who condemned "that damned Scottish Faction" at York. Many of
these officers came from, or had contact with the same lower middle
class Irish Protestants.
The interesting thing is that following the war, all of these officers
declared themselves against the rebels. I am interested in trying to
find out why this was.
I am working on an extended article on Taylor, and will hope to have it
published in the near future.
If members of any other Irish Regiments in 1812 (Kevin W.etc) have any
light to shed on this - t'would be welcome.
Yrs etc.
Ray Hobbs
CO 41st Regt.

On Monday, December 5, 2005, at 06:44 PM, Peter Monahan wrote:

> Vic
>
> Yes, the Lower Canadian rebellion was a horse of a different colour
> entirely - pitched battles, buildings cleared at bayonet point and
> artillery shelling chruches as I recall.  I can see both why it would
> be re-enacted and why it still provokes a passionate response!
> Something else for our francophone brethern to remember to our
> discredit, I'm afraid.
>
> John
>
> In a nut shell, both Upper and Lower Canada had representative
> Assemblies,and British appointed Lt-Governors who in turn appointed
> the Councils (read "cabints") which made the real decisions.  The
> Governors were not responsible to the assemblies - couldn't be
> replaced except at London's pleasure - and the Councils represented
> landed and wealthy interests, not the population at large.  In LC
> (Quebec), of course made wprse by the fact that the Council were
> either English or "Anglo-loving" Frenchmen.
>
> The "rebels" were in fact making modest demands even by the standards
> of the time - "representative government" - and would likely have
> gotten it in another few years if they hadn't chosen to march instead
> of just editoralizing and speechifying.  (My sympathy is with them,
> BTW, I'd have marched too!).
>
> Some of the rebels escaped to the US and raided back into Canada in
> the summer of'38, raising tensions between the 2 countries before they
> were suppressed.  As it was, a number of the French were killed in
> battle, 12 were hanged and 60 transported to Australia where they were
> roughly used by the patriotic criminal classes of England.  A number
> of the Upper Cdn rebels were tried and transported too.
>
> The grandson of W. L. Mackenzie, W.L.M. King, became Prime Minister of
> Canada in the 1920's & '30's and proudly displayed the wanted poster
> for his G.dad to the King of England when he visited!  A small but key
> step in our march to nationhood.
>
> Peter
>
>
> ============================================================
> From: John Ogden <johnjogden@...>
> Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 06:23:54 EST
> To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> Rebellion?"
>
> All-
>      In yet another moment of American ignorance, what sparked this
> rebellion?  I presume that this was part of a larger campaign about
> which we
> south of the 49th Parallel are not taught.
>
> Yours,
> John Ogden
>
>
> On 12/5/05, suthren@... <suthren@...> wrote:
> >
> > In 1987 a re-enactment of the 1837 Rebellion was staged at St. Denis,
> > where
> > a party of mixed francophone and anglophone Canadian rebels led by an
> > anglophone (Dr. Wolfred Nelson), and many veterans of the War of
> 1812,
> > defeated a British line regiment in a sharp fight and sent them
> retiring
> > in
> > some disorder (The Canadian rebels picked up and cared for the
> abandoned
> > Brit wounded after the battle. When the Brits returned some months
> later
> > they reclaimed the convalescing wounded and then burned out the
> farmers
> > who
> > had sheltered them). The re-enactment aroused so many latent
> passions that
> > a
> > fist fight broke out between some of the 'British' and 'rebel'
> > re-enactors.
> > A red coat is still not welcome in the Richelieu Valley, and with
> good
> > reason.
> >
> > Vic Suthren
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Monahan" <petemonahan@...>
> > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> > Rebellion?"
> >
> >
> > > Gord
> > >
> > > For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle furder north -
> like
> > King
> > City!  (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King City" - 40km/25miles n of
> C of
> > Kn.Universe - is mostly fields.)
> > >
> > > Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just the
> > weather?  :7)
> > >
> > > P
> > > ============================================================
> > > From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@...>
> > > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
> > > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> > Rebellion?"
> > >
> > > Peter;
> > >
> > > What a great scenario.  Imagine the entire line scattering across
> an
> > open
> > field shouting "Run away! Run away!".  And think of the public
> crowd, all
> > better armed than the re-enactors, with some of them getting carried
> away
> > and "poppin' caps in the air" (or worse).
> > >
> > > The re-enactment would go down in history as the "Yonge Street
> Races".
> > Hoo-Aahhh!  I love the smell of black powder in the morning.
> > >
> > > Isn't it great to be Canadian.
> > >
> > > Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
> > > In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper Canada
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: peter monahan
> > >   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
> > >   Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian Military History
> > >   ...
> > >   "Battle of Yonge Street.  A group of "revolutionaries" are
> marching
> > down
> > Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by Loyalist volunteers who begin
> > firing
> > at them.  When some of the rebels kneel to fire their weapons, the
> men at
> > the back believe they have been shot and flee in panic, prompting the
> > collapse of the entire rebel column.  It is an auspicious beginning
> to
> > William Lyon Mackenzie's rebellion in Upper Canada."
> > >   ...
> > >   Peter Monahan
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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In several arms shipment documents dated during the American Rev
War, "stand of arms" references include separate identification of a
identical number of 'cartouche boxes', e.g. 300 stand of arms, 300
cartouche boxes; twelve hundred stand of arms, twelve hundred cartouche
boxes, etc. Flints, powder, lead are identified separately. The
references do not separately identify bayonets, carriages, etc.

There seems to be only one interpretation, i.e. a "stand of arms" is
one  musket (and presumably also its bayonet). As the colonies were
British, it seems certain their use of the term would be identical to
the use of the term in the rest of the Empire.

Dave
--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, dancingbobd@w... wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am far from being an authority on Stand of Arms.
>
> In 1803 the papers transferring Private John Potts to Capt. M. Lewis
for
> the L & C expedition consisted of one listing his clothing and one
> listing musket, bayonet & scabbard, cartridge box, belt plate. flints
> and I think 12 cartridges.  Would seem to describe a stand of arms to
> me.  Steve or Dave, help me here!
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Dorian
> [seldom a pvt. soldier]
>

>Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just the
>weather?  :7)

>P


Your choice. I'm sure the ghost of William Lyon Mackenzie would look on
approvingly.  :)

Ian

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Dear John

After the War of 1812 the British administration in the two Canadas (Upper
Canada=Ontario, Lower Canada=Quebec) maintained a colonial system of
government that gave vast powers to the Governors and to a social elite who
dominated the appointed (not elected) Upper Houses, and who simply ignored
the limited-suffrage Lower Houses of the provincial legislatures. The
Governors allowed a social elite (British and Anglican) in what later became
Ontario to monopolize all political appointments and run the colony for
their own benefit. That elite became known as the "Family Compact", and
effectively blocked all attempts at greater democratization, aided by the
Loyalists who loathed and feared US-style popular democracy under which they
had suffered. In Quebec a similar elite, anchored on a pact between the
Catholic Church, wealthy French landowners and the British colonial
administration, and referred to as the "Chateau Clique", equally blocked
progress. Economic strain, outbreaks of disease, population growth and the
example of the booming (and, by contrast, turbulent and unruly but
unimaginably free) American society to the south led to a comic-opera revolt
in Ontario that failed largely due to the innately unrevolutionary instincts
of the Ontario population (however real their sense of grievance), and a
serious and bloody armed revolt in Quebec that was put down with a
never-forgotten savage viciousness by the British military (and English
speaking militia from Ontario border regions like Glengarry). The British
did enact tardy reforms later that, over years, answered many of the
citizen's grievances, but never met others (Canada's Senate is still
appointed by the ruling Government and is not accountable to the people,
which never fails to astonish Australians and Americans), and in many
respects Canadians still have fewer constitional rights tha Americans, and
have yet to cross over that psychological barrier that says political power
resides entirely within themselves rather than The Crown.

Vic Suthren

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ogden" <johnjogden@...>
To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
Rebellion?"


> All-
>      In yet another moment of American ignorance, what sparked this
> rebellion?  I presume that this was part of a larger campaign about which
we
> south of the 49th Parallel are not taught.
>
> Yours,
> John Ogden
>
>
> On 12/5/05, suthren@... <suthren@...> wrote:
> >
> > In 1987 a re-enactment of the 1837 Rebellion was staged at St. Denis,
> > where
> > a party of mixed francophone and anglophone Canadian rebels led by an
> > anglophone (Dr. Wolfred Nelson), and many veterans of the War of 1812,
> > defeated a British line regiment in a sharp fight and sent them retiring
> > in
> > some disorder (The Canadian rebels picked up and cared for the abandoned
> > Brit wounded after the battle. When the Brits returned some months later
> > they reclaimed the convalescing wounded and then burned out the farmers
> > who
> > had sheltered them). The re-enactment aroused so many latent passions
that
> > a
> > fist fight broke out between some of the 'British' and 'rebel'
> > re-enactors.
> > A red coat is still not welcome in the Richelieu Valley, and with good
> > reason.
> >
> > Vic Suthren
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Monahan" <petemonahan@...>
> > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> > Rebellion?"
> >
> >
> > > Gord
> > >
> > > For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle furder north - like
> > King
> > City!  (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King City" - 40km/25miles n of C of
> > Kn.Universe - is mostly fields.)
> > >
> > > Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just the
> > weather?  :7)
> > >
> > > P
> > > ============================================================
> > > From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@...>
> > > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
> > > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
> > Rebellion?"
> > >
> > > Peter;
> > >
> > > What a great scenario.  Imagine the entire line scattering across an
> > open
> > field shouting "Run away! Run away!".  And think of the public crowd,
all
> > better armed than the re-enactors, with some of them getting carried
away
> > and "poppin' caps in the air" (or worse).
> > >
> > > The re-enactment would go down in history as the "Yonge Street Races".
> > Hoo-Aahhh!  I love the smell of black powder in the morning.
> > >
> > > Isn't it great to be Canadian.
> > >
> > > Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
> > > In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper Canada
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: peter monahan
> > >   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
> > >   Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian Military History
> > >   ...
> > >   "Battle of Yonge Street.  A group of "revolutionaries" are marching
> > down
> > Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by Loyalist volunteers who begin
> > firing
> > at them.  When some of the rebels kneel to fire their weapons, the men
at
> > the back believe they have been shot and flee in panic, prompting the
> > collapse of the entire rebel column.  It is an auspicious beginning to
> > William Lyon Mackenzie's rebellion in Upper Canada."
> > >   ...
> > >   Peter Monahan
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
> > of
> > square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of
THOUSANDS
> > of
> > square miles...
> > >
> > > Unit Contact information for North America:
> > >    ---------------------------------
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> > >
> > > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
> > of
> > square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of
THOUSANDS
> > of
> > square miles...
> > >
> > > Unit Contact information for North America:
> > >    ---------------------------------
> > > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> > > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> > >
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> > > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
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of
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THOUSANDS of
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Or what about the battle of Short Hills, Niagara Upper Canada in '37?
Still quite virgin territory today. Some St. John's ruins can still be
found in the undergrowth of the surrounding forest.
(I often claim that the road pavement ends at the boundary of St.
John's because the Government still holds a grudge:) St. John's exists
today in name only.
A fight for responsible government, against nepotism, a reaction to the
Great Discontent of 1818 (in Niagara anyways), and a hope for
representative government (smacking of the still embedded Republican
thought of the time - and not only Irish republican thought:).
It would be similar to a Longwoods tactical.
Murray
Short Hills Niagara.

Peter Monahan <petemonahan@s...> wrote:
>
> Gord
>
> For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle furder north - like King
City!  (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King City" - 40km/25miles n of C of
Kn.Universe - is mostly fields.)
>
> Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just the weather? 
:7)
>
> P
> ============================================================
> From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@s...>
> Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
> To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37 Rebellion?"
>
> Peter;
>
> What a great scenario.  Imagine the entire line scattering across an open
field shouting "Run away! Run away!".  And think of the public crowd, all better
armed than the re-enactors, with some of them getting carried away and "poppin'
caps in the air" (or worse).
>
> The re-enactment would go down in history as the "Yonge Street Races". 
Hoo-Aahhh!  I love the smell of black powder in the morning.
>
> Isn't it great to be Canadian.
>
> Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
> In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper Canada
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: peter monahan
>   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
>   Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian Military History
>   ...
>   "Battle of Yonge Street.  A group of "revolutionaries" are marching down
Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by Loyalist volunteers who begin firing at
them.  When some of the rebels kneel to fire their weapons, the men at the back
believe they have been shot and flee in panic, prompting the collapse of the
entire rebel column.  It is an auspicious beginning to William Lyon Mackenzie's
rebellion in Upper Canada."
>   ...
>   Peter Monahan
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
square miles...
>
> Unit Contact information for North America:
>    ---------------------------------
> Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
> American Forces Unit Listing
> http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> ============================================================
>
>
> Peter Monahan
> petermonahan@s...
> 705-435-0953 home
>

Well said Sir!

<suthren@m...> wrote:
>
> Dear John
>
> After the War of 1812 the British administration in the two Canadas (Upper
> Canada=Ontario, Lower Canada=Quebec) maintained a colonial system of
> government that gave vast powers to the Governors and to a social elite who
> dominated the appointed (not elected) Upper Houses, and who simply ignored
> the limited-suffrage Lower Houses of the provincial legislatures. The
> Governors allowed a social elite (British and Anglican) in what later became
> Ontario to monopolize all political appointments and run the colony for
> their own benefit. That elite became known as the "Family Compact", and
> effectively blocked all attempts at greater democratization, aided by the
> Loyalists who loathed and feared US-style popular democracy under which they
> had suffered. In Quebec a similar elite, anchored on a pact between the
> Catholic Church, wealthy French landowners and the British colonial
> administration, and referred to as the "Chateau Clique", equally blocked
> progress. Economic strain, outbreaks of disease, population growth and the
> example of the booming (and, by contrast, turbulent and unruly but
> unimaginably free) American society to the south led to a comic-opera revolt
> in Ontario that failed largely due to the innately unrevolutionary instincts
> of the Ontario population (however real their sense of grievance), and a
> serious and bloody armed revolt in Quebec that was put down with a
> never-forgotten savage viciousness by the British military (and English
> speaking militia from Ontario border regions like Glengarry). The British
> did enact tardy reforms later that, over years, answered many of the
> citizen's grievances, but never met others (Canada's Senate is still
> appointed by the ruling Government and is not accountable to the people,
> which never fails to astonish Australians and Americans), and in many
> respects Canadians still have fewer constitional rights tha Americans, and
> have yet to cross over that psychological barrier that says political power
> resides entirely within themselves rather than The Crown.
>
> Vic Suthren

The title above, to the researcher and reenactor of cavalry and military in
the War of 1812, would seem to be an oxymoron, but allow me to explain.

I do living history of both the naval sort (with Ship's Company of the
Baltimore/DC area) and more recently also, for cavalry.  I helped to start
the (still rather new) Maryland Light Dragoons (MdLD) in 2003.  MdLD
currently has eleven rider-members and nearly as many equine members, and in
2005 we fielded 2 to 4 mounted dragoons and the occasional sidesaddle or
wagon drover distaff (gaining a large military wagon for 2006), for about an
event per month at local 1812 events (Hancock's Resolution Aug'14, Jefferson
Patterson's St Leonard's Creek 1814 and others). We are led by Sergeant Bob
Hammond, mounted on Riley or Freckles.  The mount of Dragoon Bosworth is
Shiloh.  By Spring we should have six (five of members; one the unit's
loaner) full MdLD kits assembled.  We look forward to seeing many of you at
the 1812 Grand Tactical at Jefferson Patterson in September 2008, if not
before.

I've been researching other cavalry units and came across an obscure
reference a while back.  In Wm. Marine's excellent history "The British
Invasion of Maryland 1812-1815" published 1913 and republished 1965, he
cites that a sergeant's detachment of 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons was
assigned and active with General Ross in the Aug/Sept 1814 campaign against
Washington DC and Baltimore MD.  He further cites that two of these Dragoons
(their home regiment long detailed in home duties, though they were in 1815
to be deployed to the Waterloo campaign) were present at the death of
General Ross before Baltimore, including Sgt Sannford the detachment leader.
The uniform of the 6th Dragoons had just changed a couple years prior (from
cocked hat and heavily horizontally laced coat, to a dragoon horsehair
helmet and a more lightly vertically laced German collett-style coat...see
attachments).

MdLD is now (slowly, with a small grant) assembling a 6th Inniskilling
Dragoon kit.  We are using Mollo, Osprey, period paintings and photos of
surviving originals to create the kit, which due to funding limitations will
have a coat and forage cap but not the (mighty expensive) helmet by the end
of 2006.  We are also corresponding with a British (currently inactive?)
reenacting group that has done 6th Inniskillings 1815 as well.

I mention all this...

a. for your general information and amusement.

b. in case anyone has useful information for us to use on 6th Inniskillings
(either uniform/equipment/sources or history esp 1814 and 1815).

c. IN PARTICULAR....there is a primary source that I have been unable to
locate that would be very useful (if it still exists...).  Marine cites it:
"Sannford, "The Experiences of a Sergeant in the King's Service in America",
London, 1817.  I would GREATLY appreciate any knowledge of where one exists
or better yet, a photocopy of the contents.

d. in case you wish to provide a grant or donation to help the project
(ha!).

It will be interesting, eventually, to be able to interpret the differences
between light and heavy cavalry, using 6th Inniskillings as a unit with a
detachment actually in the American Chesapeake theater (albeit in numbers of
less than a dozen, and used only as couriers, apparently...the journal if
found would confirm or deny this).  We'll keep slugging slowly away at the
Inniskillings (as a secondary effort to our primary work on Maryland Light
Dragoons), hoping/trying to be able to field a well-trained half troop of
MdLDs and a couple Inniskillings in time for the 1812 Bicentennial.

Thanks for any help or encouragement you can provide.  Please write me
offlist Michael.bosworth@... with long missives, or onlist (I do
digest...) for shorter, general interest response.

Regards,

Mike

Michael Bosworth
www.shipscompany.org
www.MdLD.org
Vienna Virginia





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From: "Tom Fournier" <tom4141fournier@...>

  "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37 Rebellion?" '"Battle of Yonge
Street."


---------




  Tom another Pub Battle was the War between Michigan and Ohio

=========



The mouth of the Maumee River at Toledo on Lake Erie was the prize in the
1835 war between Ohio and the Michigan Territory.


The war between Michigan and Ohio

By Tom Jones / special to The Detroit News

       It was a "war" that both Ohio and Michigan could rightfully claim they
won, a one-casualty conflict in which the only blood drawn came from a knife
thrust into the leg of a Michigan sheriff.

       It was the Toledo War, a hotly contentious boundary dispute when it
began in April, 1835, but now a source of amusement to many whose only
knowledge of the war is from flawed accounts of the event.  Historian Tom
Jones

       Most ask why anyone would fight Ohio over Toledo -- especially since
Michigan got the Upper Peninsula as consolation for losing the argument.

       The late Tom Jones, former director of the Historical Society of
Michigan, called that a "common, hindsight reaction built on a
misconception. It ignores a couple of points."

       First, Toledo as a significant entity didn't exist in 1835. And
second, when the boundary arguement was settled, Michigan didn't get the
Upper Peninsula in exchange, it got only the western end of the peninsula --
the eastern end had long been considered part of Michigan, Jones said.

       In 1835 Ohio had been a state since 1803. The Michigan territory's
population numberted only about 6,000. Ohioans, who thought of the territory
as unclaimed wilderness that they could more or less annex at will, claimed
their boundary ran along a line north of the Maumee River. That assured
Ohioans in the region of access to Lake Erie, an obviously important
consideration.

       The claim conflicted with Congresssional guidelines for carving up the
western lands as established in the Northwest Ordinance of 1787. But who
really cared?

       But as the population of the Michigan territory grew, its officials
also perceived the advantages of controlling the mouth of the Maumee. Plus,
they had legal ground for this claim. It seemed quite clear that according
to the Northwest Ordinance the boundary should be drawn from the tip of Lake
Michigan eastward to Lake Erie, which would put the mouth of the Maumee in
Michigan.  Stevens T. Mason, governor of Michigan Territory

       When Michigan petitioned to become a state in 1835, Ohio began putting
pressure on Congress in support of its claim to a boundary line extending to
North Cape in Maumee Bay. Michigan objected. Ohio insisted.

       During the dispute, confusion reigned. People addressing letters to
villages in the disputed territory sometimes gave the address as Ohio,
sometimes as Michigan. At least one letter was addressed to someone in the
"State of Confusion."

       "As with all such matters, the issue wasn't simple. It involved
presidential politics, party alliances, poor maps, pride, and more," says
Jones.

       "I contend that the solution was political," he said. "Had the matter
gone to the Supreme Court, it probably would have been resolved in
Michigan's favor. But President (Andrew) Jackson didn't want that. The year
1836 was an election year. He was courting Ohio's electoral votes, and he
worked out a political compromise."

       But before that could be reached, the war began.

       In February, Ohio's legislature voted to extend the state's
jurisdiction over the Toledo Strip. Michigan Territory Gov. Stevens T. Mason
responded that he would not hesitate "to resist to the utmost every
encroachment or invasion upon the rights and soil of this territory."

       Ohio Gov. Robert Lucas, calling Mason's supposed bluff, showed up at
Perrysburg, Ohio, along with 300 Ohio militiamen. Meanwhile, Gov. Mason
marched to Monroe from Detroit, the territorial capital, with a "posse" of
sheriff's deputies, who actually were Michigan militiamen.

       "Men galloping about--guns getting ready--wagons being filled with
people and hurrying off, and everybody in commotion. The two armies
struggled for a soggy week to find each other in the wilderness and swamps
surrounding the region, but never did come in contact."

       When elements from Michigan and Ohio did meet, however, Michigan
started the shooting. President Jackson had asked Gov. Mason to let Ohio
commissioners run a survey of the disputed boundary line to just north of
the Point Place. Gov. Mason refused.  Ohio Gov. Robert Lucas

       When Gov. Lucas sent his surveyors out on April 26, a Michigan posse
under Lenawee County Undersheriff William McNair met them. The undersheriff
demanded that the Ohioans leave Michigan territory. They refused and shots
were fired.

       No one was hit. But members of the surveying crew were arrested and
charged with violating the Pains and Penalties Act, which prohibited Ohioans
from exercising any authority in Michigan.

       Under Gov. Mason's orders, Gen. Jacob. W. Brown of Tecumseh combed the
disputed territory, arresting Ohio officials, including the entire family of
Maj. Benjamin Franklin Stickney. The Major was tied to his horse for the
trip to the Monroe County Jail.

       Maj. Stickney's son, named Two (he had a brother named One), made a
dramatic attempt to rescue his father by drawing a knife and lunging at
Monroe County Sheriff Joseph Wood, wounding him in the thigh and drawing the
only blood in the Toledo War.

       Congress eventually approved a bill admitting Michigan to statehood on
the condition that it accept the northern boundary line, which effectively
ended the matter. Or so everyone thought. As recently as 1972, the U.S.
Supreme Court heard arguments from attorneys who still maintain that Toledo
belongs in Michigan. But most Toledo War buffs consider that a footnote to
the affair.


  A plaque dedicated in 1967 marks the spot in Ann Arbor where delegates met
to consider the proposal by Congress that ended the conflict between
Michigan and Ohio. From left are State Rep. Roy Smith of Ypsilanti, Jen
Cotter of Elyria, Ohio, and Terry Pray of Charlotte, Mich. Cotter and Pray
are descendants of participants in the assembly.

(This story was compiled using clip and photo files of the Detroit News.)

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:AGbtegH0vUUJ:info.detnews.com/history/story/\
index.cfm%3Fid%3D168%26category%3Dlife+michigan+ohio+historic+invasions&hl=en

As Mr. Hobbs has said ... "back to 1812"

Yrs.,
  L2

Several years ago, at the Crysler's Farm event, there was somebody
from the Prescott, Ont., area talking about organizing a re-enactment
of the 1838 Battle of the Windmill. Does anybody know who this was and
what ever became of the proposal?
It would be a good scenario and the site is a national park.
T. Avery

--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "mccombs98" <macomb@p...> wrote:
>
> Or what about the battle of Short Hills, Niagara Upper Canada in '37?
> Still quite virgin territory today. Some St. John's ruins can still be
> found in the undergrowth of the surrounding forest.
> (I often claim that the road pavement ends at the boundary of St.
> John's because the Government still holds a grudge:) St. John's exists
> today in name only.
> A fight for responsible government, against nepotism, a reaction to the
> Great Discontent of 1818 (in Niagara anyways), and a hope for
> representative government (smacking of the still embedded Republican
> thought of the time - and not only Irish republican thought:).
> It would be similar to a Longwoods tactical.
> Murray
> Short Hills Niagara.
>
> Peter Monahan <petemonahan@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Gord
> >
> > For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle furder north -
like King City!  (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King City" -
40km/25miles n of C of Kn.Universe - is mostly fields.)
> >
> > Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our election, or just
the weather?  :7)
> >
> > P
> > ============================================================
> > From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@s...>
> > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
> > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37
Rebellion?"
> >
> > Peter;
> >
> > What a great scenario.  Imagine the entire line scattering across
an open field shouting "Run away! Run away!".  And think of the public
crowd, all better armed than the re-enactors, with some of them
getting carried away and "poppin' caps in the air" (or worse).
> >
> > The re-enactment would go down in history as the "Yonge Street
Races".  Hoo-Aahhh!  I love the smell of black powder in the morning.
> >
> > Isn't it great to be Canadian.
> >
> > Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
> > In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper Canada
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: peter monahan
> >   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
> >   Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian Military History
> >   ...
> >   "Battle of Yonge Street.  A group of "revolutionaries" are
marching down Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by Loyalist
volunteers who begin firing at them.  When some of the rebels kneel to
fire their weapons, the men at the back believe they have been shot
and flee in panic, prompting the collapse of the entire rebel column.
  It is an auspicious beginning to William Lyon Mackenzie's rebellion
in Upper Canada."
> >   ...
> >   Peter Monahan
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of
hundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the
fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...
> >
> > Unit Contact information for North America:
> >    ---------------------------------
> > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> >
> > American Forces Unit Listing
> > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> >
> >
> > Peter Monahan
> > petermonahan@s...
> > 705-435-0953 home
> >
>

Don Graves' "Guns Across the River: The Battle of the
Windmill, 1838" covers the subject quite well IMHO and
IIRC, includes photos taken during a television
production about the battle. Has anyone seen this
production or was I halucinating?  :)

Ian


--- badger222ca <red.gold@...> wrote:

>
> Several years ago, at the Crysler's Farm event,
> there was somebody
> from the Prescott, Ont., area talking about
> organizing a re-enactment
> of the 1838 Battle of the Windmill. Does anybody
> know who this was and
> what ever became of the proposal?
> It would be a good scenario and the site is a
> national park.
> T. Avery
>
> --- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "mccombs98"
> <macomb@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Or what about the battle of Short Hills, Niagara
> Upper Canada in '37?
> > Still quite virgin territory today. Some St.
> John's ruins can still be
> > found in the undergrowth of the surrounding
> forest.
> > (I often claim that the road pavement ends at the
> boundary of St.
> > John's because the Government still holds a
> grudge:) St. John's exists
> > today in name only.
> > A fight for responsible government, against
> nepotism, a reaction to the
> > Great Discontent of 1818 (in Niagara anyways), and
> a hope for
> > representative government (smacking of the still
> embedded Republican
> > thought of the time - and not only Irish
> republican thought:).
> > It would be similar to a Longwoods tactical.
> > Murray
> > Short Hills Niagara.
> >
> > Peter Monahan <petemonahan@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gord
> > >
> > > For the open field part we'd have to go a leedle
> furder north -
> like King City!  (Ironically, or perhaps not, "King
> City" -
> 40km/25miles n of C of Kn.Universe - is mostly
> fields.)
> > >
> > > Ian - was the timing thing a reference to our
> election, or just
> the weather?  :7)
> > >
> > > P
> > >
>
============================================================
> > > From: "Gordon Deans" <gord.deans@s...>
> > > Date: 2005/12/05 Mon PM 04:39:01 EST
> > > To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: REPLY: [WarOf1812] "Why doesn't someone
> re-enact the '37
> Rebellion?"
> > >
> > > Peter;
> > >
> > > What a great scenario.  Imagine the entire line
> scattering across
> an open field shouting "Run away! Run away!".  And
> think of the public
> crowd, all better armed than the re-enactors, with
> some of them
> getting carried away and "poppin' caps in the air"
> (or worse).
> > >
> > > The re-enactment would go down in history as the
> "Yonge Street
> Races".  Hoo-Aahhh!  I love the smell of black
> powder in the morning.
> > >
> > > Isn't it great to be Canadian.
> > >
> > > Gord Deans, Royal Navy [1812-14]
> > > In winter quarters on the Upper Thames, Upper
> Canada
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: peter monahan
> > >   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:40 PM
> > >   Subject: [WarOf1812] On This Day in Canadian
> Military History
> > >   ...
> > >   "Battle of Yonge Street.  A group of
> "revolutionaries" are
> marching down Yonge Street in Toronto and are met by
> Loyalist
> volunteers who begin firing at them.  When some of
> the rebels kneel to
> fire their weapons, the men at the back believe they
> have been shot
> and flee in panic, prompting the collapse of the
> entire rebel column.
>  It is an auspicious beginning to William Lyon
> Mackenzie's rebellion
> in Upper Canada."
> > >   ...
> > >   Peter Monahan
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought
> over the fate of
> hundreds of square miles: in North America, hundreds
> determined the
> fate of THOUSANDS of square miles...
> > >
> > > Unit Contact information for North America:
> > >    ---------------------------------
> > > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> > > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> > >
> > > American Forces Unit Listing
> > > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
============================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter Monahan
> > > petermonahan@s...
> > > 705-435-0953 home
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over
> the fate of hundreds of square miles: in North
> America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
> of square miles...
>
> Unit Contact information for North America:
>    ---------------------------------
> Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
> American Forces Unit Listing
> http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     WarOf1812-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

Dave,

Could you please add these events for the Chesapeake area to the 2006
master events list.
Thanks.

Ed Seufert, Cpl
1812 Royal Marines

May 6-7               Havre De Grace, MD

May 20                Sully Militia Muster, VA

June 17-18           Battle of Craney Island, Ft Norfolk VA

August 12            Bladensburg/Riversdale, MD

August 19-20        Hancocks/Caulks Field, MD

Sept 9-10             Ft McHenry - Star Spangled Banner Weekend, MD

Sept 30               Jefferson-Patterson Park, MD

OCt 28                Militia Muster, Todds Inheritance, MD



Consider it done,
Dave Westhouse, Cpl
1st (Royal Scots) Grenadiers

The following is the updated list.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
2006 WAR Of 1812 Events List
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Jan 6-8 New Orleans - Chalmette, LA
Jan 21 Battle of River Raisin Commemoration - Monroe, MI

Feb 18-19 Battle of Ogdensburg - Ogdensburg, NY

Apr 22-23 Crown Forces School - Fort York, Toronto, ON

May 6-7 Longwoods - London, ON
May 6-7 Havre De Grace – Havre De Grace, MD
May 13-14 North West Company War of 1812 - Pine City, MN
May 19-21 School of the Sailor - Toronto-Hamilton, ON
May 20-21 Lyon Historical Village - Yorkville, IL
May 20-21 Sully Militia Muster – Sully, VA
May 27-28 Ft. Meigs 1813 - Perrysburg, OH

June 2-4 Battle of Stoney Creek - Stoney Creek, ON
June 10-11 Georgina Militia Muster - Sutton, ON
June 17-18 Battle of Craney Island – Fort Norfolk, VA
June 24-25 1812 Grand Tactical - Genesee Village - Mumford, NY

July 8-9 Crysler's Farm - Morrisburg, ON
July 14-16 Prairie du Chien - WI
July 21-23 Wasaga under Siege - Wasaga Beach, ON
July 29-30 Fort Niagara - Youngstown, NY

Aug 5-6 Sacket's Harbor - Sacket's Harbor, NY
Aug 12-13 Fort Erie - Fort Erie, ON
Aug 12-13 Battle of Bladensburg – Riversdale, MD
Aug 19-20 Hancock's Resolution – Caulks Field, MD

Sept 9-10 Backus Mill - Port Rowan, ON
Sept 9-10 Star Spangled Banner Weekend – Fort McHenry, MD
Sept 23-24 Fanshawe Village - London, ON
Sept 30-Oct 1 Faire at the Forks - Chatham, ON
Sept 30-Oct 1 Jefferson-Patterson Park, MD

Oct 13-15 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN
Oct 28-29 Militia Muster – Todds Inheritance, MD

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
2006 CROWN FORCES EVENTS
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Apr. 22-23 Crown Forces School, Fort York, Toronto

Sat Apr. 22 Infantry Officer & NCO School of Instruction
('ONLY' Crown Forces Officers and NCO's to attend)

Sat Apr.22 Historical Cooking Workshop
(All Crown Forces cooks encouraged to attend)

Sun Apr.23 Artillery Officer & Crew School of Instruction
(Crown Forces Artillery Officers/Crews encouraged to attend)
.........

May 6-7 Longwoods - London, ON
(Crown Forces Event - All Crown Forces encouraged to attend)
.........

May 19-21 School of the Sailor - Toronto-Hamilton, ON
(All Crown Navy Forces encouraged to attend)
.........

June 24-25 Annual 1812 Grand Tactical
Genesee Country Village - Mumford, NY
(All Crown and USA Forces encouraged to attend)
.........

July 8-9 Crysler's Farm - Morrisburg, ON
(Crown Forces Event - All Crown Forces encouraged to attend)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=
2006 NAPOLEONIC EVENTS
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=

Apr 21-23 Peninsula War - Anza, CA

Sept 1-3 Brigade Napoléon Grand Encampment - Bedford, PA

- ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ -

Oct 5-7 2007 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN
Oct 10-12 2008 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN

- ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ -

DISCLAIMER:
The above dates have been sent to me for publication.
Dates and Locations posted as received.
Dates may change without notice, it is advisable to
contact the site co-ordinator to verify date and location.

Yrs.,
Larry Lozon - AdC
Crown Forces North America

A snippet from post #26931
"to monopolize all political appointments and run the colony for
their own benefit."
Gee, the more things change the more they stay the same. See you at the
polls in January. :)
Best regards,
Bruce Whittaker

From: "Dave Westhouse" <westhouse@...>

  The following is the updated list.





It looks like this soldier would make a damn fine
NCO of the Regiment of STAFF CORPS

He keeps a list in fine fashion!



What, whot!

For those of you living in New York State this may be
of interest.  If not (or if you don't live here) hit
the delete button now. :)
This comes to you from the Western New York Library
Resource Council.

Beck
89th

--- Heidi Bamford <hbamford@...> wrote:

> Date:         Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:04:07 -0500
> From:         Heidi Bamford <hbamford@...>
> Subject: [WNYLRC] [Fwd: Visit the new New York State
> History Day website]
> To:           WNYLIB-L@...
>
> Please note, this link contains dates and other
> information for both
> regional and statewide National History Day
> competitions. A great way to
> encourage use of local history in schools!
>
> Heidi Bamford
> DHP Regional Archivist
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:  Visit the new New York State History Day
> website
> Date:  Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:29:48 -0500
> From:  Megan Kirkpatrick <mkirkpatrick@...>
> To:  <Dan_Cresci@...>, "'personal-'"
>
>
>
> New York State History Day has launched a new
> website at its old
> address: www.nyshistoryday.org
> <http://www.nyshistoryday.org/> .  Visit
> the Teacher's section for information on outreach,
> contests as well as
> supplemental materials and a Listserv designed to
> help the New York
> State History Day office keep in touch History Day
> teachers.  Teachers
> can also utilize the listserv to communicate with
> each other about the
> use of the program in their classrooms.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions about the website, fill
> out the "Contact Us"
> form and we'll more than happy to help.
>
>
>
> Please pass this along to any other interested
> parties.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Megan Kirkpatrick
>
> New York State History Day Coordinator
>
> New York State Historical Association
>
> mkirkpatrick@...
>
>
>
>
> Western New York Library Resources Council
>
> RESOURCE SHARING · TECHNOLOGY · TRAINING ·
> DEVELOPMENT · AWARENESS
>




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Please add the following to the events list:

July 29th and 30th, 2006
Fort William Historic Park
Thunder Bay, Ontario

There will be more information and a web link to follow.

YHSvt.

Jim Keigher, aka
Capt. Antoine Landrieaux
Office in Command
Corps of Canadian Voyageurs
Fort William, Upper Canada


>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>2006 WAR Of 1812 Events List
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>Jan 6-8 New Orleans - Chalmette, LA
>Jan 21 Battle of River Raisin Commemoration - Monroe, MI
>
>Feb 18-19 Battle of Ogdensburg - Ogdensburg, NY
>
>Apr 22-23 Crown Forces School - Fort York, Toronto, ON
>
>May 6-7 Longwoods - London, ON
>May 6-7 Havre De Grace – Havre De Grace, MD
>May 13-14 North West Company War of 1812 - Pine City, MN
>May 19-21 School of the Sailor - Toronto-Hamilton, ON
>May 20-21 Lyon Historical Village - Yorkville, IL
>May 20-21 Sully Militia Muster – Sully, VA
>May 27-28 Ft. Meigs 1813 - Perrysburg, OH
>
>June 2-4 Battle of Stoney Creek - Stoney Creek, ON
>June 10-11 Georgina Militia Muster - Sutton, ON
>June 17-18 Battle of Craney Island – Fort Norfolk, VA
>June 24-25 1812 Grand Tactical - Genesee Village - Mumford, NY
>
>July 8-9 Crysler's Farm - Morrisburg, ON
>July 14-16 Prairie du Chien - WI
>July 21-23 Wasaga under Siege - Wasaga Beach, ON
>July 29-30 Fort Niagara - Youngstown, NY
>
>Aug 5-6 Sacket's Harbor - Sacket's Harbor, NY
>Aug 12-13 Fort Erie - Fort Erie, ON
>Aug 12-13 Battle of Bladensburg – Riversdale, MD
>Aug 19-20 Hancock's Resolution – Caulks Field, MD
>
>Sept 9-10 Backus Mill - Port Rowan, ON
>Sept 9-10 Star Spangled Banner Weekend – Fort McHenry, MD
>Sept 23-24 Fanshawe Village - London, ON
>Sept 30-Oct 1 Faire at the Forks - Chatham, ON
>Sept 30-Oct 1 Jefferson-Patterson Park, MD
>
>Oct 13-15 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN
>Oct 28-29 Militia Muster – Todds Inheritance, MD
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>2006 CROWN FORCES EVENTS
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>Apr. 22-23 Crown Forces School, Fort York, Toronto
>
>Sat Apr. 22 Infantry Officer & NCO School of Instruction
>('ONLY' Crown Forces Officers and NCO's to attend)
>
>Sat Apr.22 Historical Cooking Workshop
>(All Crown Forces cooks encouraged to attend)
>
>Sun Apr.23 Artillery Officer & Crew School of Instruction
>(Crown Forces Artillery Officers/Crews encouraged to attend)
>.........
>
>May 6-7 Longwoods - London, ON
>(Crown Forces Event - All Crown Forces encouraged to attend)
>.........
>
>May 19-21 School of the Sailor - Toronto-Hamilton, ON
>(All Crown Navy Forces encouraged to attend)
>.........
>
>June 24-25 Annual 1812 Grand Tactical
>Genesee Country Village - Mumford, NY
>(All Crown and USA Forces encouraged to attend)
>.........
>
>July 8-9 Crysler's Farm - Morrisburg, ON
>(Crown Forces Event - All Crown Forces encouraged to attend)
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=
>2006 NAPOLEONIC EVENTS
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=
>
>Apr 21-23 Peninsula War - Anza, CA
>
>Sept 1-3 Brigade Napoléon Grand Encampment - Bedford, PA
>
>- ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ -
>
>Oct 5-7 2007 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN
>Oct 10-12 2008 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN
>
>- ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ -
>
>DISCLAIMER:
>The above dates have been sent to me for publication.
>Dates and Locations posted as received.
>Dates may change without notice, it is advisable to
>contact the site co-ordinator to verify date and location.
>
>Yrs.,
>Larry Lozon - AdC
>Crown Forces North America
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
square miles...
>
>Unit Contact information for North America:
>   ---------------------------------
>Crown Forces Unit Listing:
>http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
>American Forces Unit Listing
>http://usforces1812.tripod.com
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Subject: Re: On This Day in Canadian Military History

  "Why doesn't someone re-enact the '37 Rebellion?"
>
> '"Battle of Yonge Street."

Wasn't there a pub involved?  A great place to plan a rebellion and/or
re-enactment around!

Tom Fournier
41st Regiment

To the list, please indulge me here.
  Way back in 1984 (if my memory serve's me right), it was the
sesquicentennial ( 150 years) for the City of Toronto, and there was a
"re-enactment" of the '37 rebellion in the area of Hogg's Hollow on Yonge
St. The Fort York Guard and IMUC/ guard auxiliary ( I don't remember if we
were officially separate then )  were involved, along with "The Upper Canada
Rifles" , many badly dressed , but enthusiastic people, and various other
M&S type's who's origin really doesn't matter at this time.
  The "Crown forces" marched up Yonge for about a mile to the "battlefield",
but, alas, unlike the original forces involved, we not allowed to imbide in
any taverns along the way to supplement our courage ! ;^)
  Now to really date myself here, I was a drummer ( along with Ross Flowers)
in the unit for those of us who may remember those times! Anyway, I digress.
   When we came across the "rebels" milling about, there were "rebel's"
carrying sign's about democracy and anti-crown slogans ( which were taken
from a line drawing I believe ), lot's of shouting, gnashing of teeth, and
general civil disobedience, as can be expected at such an occasion !
  The "rebels" were ordered to disperse  by Capt. Barry Sandler , but refused
( of course ). With great bravado, the line then loaded via "platoon
exercise" ( very intimidating), with Barry's back towards the "rebels". When
the line was loaded ( with powder of course ;^) ), the "rebel's" were given
one last chance to disperse. Naturally, they refused again, and got louder
with their chant's etc.
  Well, the line opened up , fired 3 rapid volley's, and followed with a
bayonet charge . The surviving "rebels' ran away, and we the victorious
army, celebrated by heading to the nearest tavern, which by coincidence
sponsored the event!! Re-enactment time - on site 20-30 minute's, "combat
time"- 3- 5 minute's, tavern time-... well, I don't remember! It was over 20
years ago ! 8^)
Oh the "good old day's" ! For those who were there in those day's , you will
understand . For those that weren't you never will!
Regards
John Harris
( Too many impressions, not enough time )

Updated again. Wow, what a season to choose from.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
2006 WAR Of 1812 Events List
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Jan 6-8 New Orleans - Chalmette, LA
Jan 21 Battle of River Raisin Commemoration - Monroe, MI

Feb 18-19 Battle of Ogdensburg - Ogdensburg, NY

Apr 22-23 Crown Forces School - Fort York, Toronto, ON

May 6-7 Longwoods - London, ON
May 6-7 Havre De Grace – Havre De Grace, MD
May 13-14 North West Company War of 1812 - Pine City, MN
May 19-21 School of the Sailor - Toronto-Hamilton, ON
May 20-21 Lyon Historical Village - Yorkville, IL
May 20-21 Sully Militia Muster – Sully, VA
May 27-28 Ft. Meigs 1813 - Perrysburg, OH

June 2-4 Battle of Stoney Creek - Stoney Creek, ON
June 10-11 Georgina Militia Muster - Sutton, ON
June 17-18 Battle of Craney Island – Fort Norfolk, VA
June 24-25 1812 Grand Tactical - Genesee Village - Mumford, NY

July 8-9 Crysler's Farm - Morrisburg, ON
July 14-16 Prairie du Chien - WI
July 21-23 Wasaga under Siege - Wasaga Beach, ON
July 29-30 Fort Niagara - Youngstown, NY
July 29-30 Fort William – Thunder Bay, ON

Aug 5-6 Sacket's Harbor - Sacket's Harbor, NY
Aug 12-13 Fort Erie - Fort Erie, ON
Aug 12-13 Battle of Bladensburg – Riversdale, MD
Aug 19-20 Hancock's Resolution – Caulks Field, MD

Sept 9-10 Backus Mill - Port Rowan, ON
Sept 9-10 Star Spangled Banner Weekend – Fort McHenry, MD
Sept 23-24 Fanshawe Village - London, ON
Sept 30-Oct 1 Faire at the Forks - Chatham, ON
Sept 30-Oct 1 Jefferson-Patterson Park, MD

Oct 13-15 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN
Oct 28-29 Militia Muster – Todds Inheritance, MD

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
2006 CROWN FORCES EVENTS
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Apr. 22-23 Crown Forces School, Fort York, Toronto

Sat Apr. 22 Infantry Officer & NCO School of Instruction
('ONLY' Crown Forces Officers and NCO's to attend)

Sat Apr.22 Historical Cooking Workshop
(All Crown Forces cooks encouraged to attend)

Sun Apr.23 Artillery Officer & Crew School of Instruction
(Crown Forces Artillery Officers/Crews encouraged to attend)
.........

May 6-7 Longwoods - London, ON
(Crown Forces Event - All Crown Forces encouraged to attend)
.........

May 19-21 School of the Sailor - Toronto-Hamilton, ON
(All Crown Navy Forces encouraged to attend)
.........

June 24-25 Annual 1812 Grand Tactical
Genesee Country Village - Mumford, NY
(All Crown and USA Forces encouraged to attend)
.........

July 8-9 Crysler's Farm - Morrisburg, ON
(Crown Forces Event - All Crown Forces encouraged to attend)

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2006 NAPOLEONIC EVENTS
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Apr 21-23 Peninsula War - Anza, CA

Sept 1-3 Brigade Napoléon Grand Encampment - Bedford, PA

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Oct 5-7 2007 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN
Oct 10-12 2008 Mississinewa 1812 - Marion, IN

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DISCLAIMER:
The above dates have been sent to me for publication.
Dates and Locations posted as received.
Dates may change without notice, it is advisable to
contact the site co-ordinator to verify date and location.

Yrs.,
Larry Lozon - AdC
Crown Forces North America

> To the list, please indulge me here.
>  Way back in 1984 (if my memory serve's me right), it was the
> sesquicentennial ( 150 years) for the City of Toronto, and there was a
> "re-enactment" of the '37 rebellion in the area of Hogg's Hollow on
Yonge
> Oh the "good old day's" ! For those who were there in those day's ,
you will
> understand . For those that weren't you never will!
> Regards
> John Harris
> ( Too many impressions, not enough time )
>
Yes, I remember it well. I was a pioneer then and had the pleasure of
marching at the head of the IMUC with my broad-ax cradled in the crook
of my arm. We, the IMUC, marched under Captain Sandler from Eglinton
Avenue to Hogg's Hollow. A dettachment of The Fort York Guard met us at
the Jolly Miller's Tavern battlefield and supported us with a piece of
ordinance, a one pound grasshopper, I can't remember the Upper Canada
Rifles but we were the bulk of the red-coat force. At the time the IMUC
was the largest red-coat 1812 re-enactment group, as a matter of fact I
believe that except for Craig Williams 49th, the only one in Canada.
Brigadeer Twist was still a ranker serving in Gavin Watt's Rev War
Royal Yorkers.
I still remember halting half way through the march and getting a pull
on private River Rat's(now Brigade Major Jason Everett's) canteen full
of grog. It was ironic because a picture of me appeared the following
week in the North York Mirror taking refreshment from my pewter
tankard, but this time actually guzzling water, ARGH!
SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI

Fred Fishell

From: "John Harris" <jharris@...>

  "The "rebels" were ordered to disperse  by Capt. Barry Sandler ..."



From: "Fred Fishell" <giiir@...>

"... the IMUC, marched under Captain Sandler..."






F.Y.I.

I understand via the 1812 grapevine that Barry Sandler is now living in
London, Ontario.

For those not familiar with him, he created and commanded the 8th (KINGS)
Regiment
for many years.


Yrs.,
   L2

I heard rumour at the Christmas Gathering there isn't going to be a 2006
Living History Conference? Can anyone verify or refute that information?

Regards,
Lorina
Five Rivers Chapmanry
purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage,
re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more.
519-799-5577 info@... - www.5rivers.org



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I am sorry to sound ignorant in this matter but I am indeed just that when
it comes to the Wo1812. I have spent the last decade or so living on Long
Island in the colonial era. I have recently relocated to Knoxville TN and I
am beginning to explore the history of this conflict. I would appreciate
some links where I can find shall we say a crash course on the conflict so
that I can build the foundation for an in depth study of the period. I
thank you in advance for your time and effort in this matter and hope to
soon be able to chat with some of you and understand your jests and jibes
..... LOL

Tommy

From: "Tommy" <rainbowrider@...>

"... I would appreciate some links where I can find ... a crash course on
the conflict .."




  Tommy


      Go to  http://www.google.ca

     Enter WAR of 1812 in the box

     Click on GOOGLE SEARCH

     and away you go ...........

Yrs.,
    L2

Lorina

I believe this is the case: "Yes, we have no History Conference" - at least
until 2007, which I believe IS on.  But don't quote me.

Peter( who also listens to rumours) Monahan
============================================================
I heard rumour at the Christmas Gathering there isn't going to be a 2006
Living History Conference? Can anyone verify or refute that information?

Regards,
Lorina
Five Rivers Chapmanry

Lorina - Five Rivers Chapmanry

" I heard rumour ... there isn't going to be a 2006 Living History
Conference .."



That raises the question

  Who/whom other than the 1st (Royal Scot) Regiment in London Ontario and the
Ship's Company Hamilton in Hamilton Ontario sponsors a Living History
Conference  in Ontario Canada?



Yrs.,
   L2

lalozon wrote:

>That raises the question
>
> Who/whom other than the 1st (Royal Scot) Regiment in London Ontario and the
>Ship's Company Hamilton in Hamilton Ontario sponsors a Living History
>Conference  in Ontario Canada?
>
>
>
A couple of years ago, the Talbot Bicentennial Committee (with the
support of the King's Company, aka in 1812 the 10th Royal Veterans) put
on a Living History Conference in St. Thomas.  However, that was a
one-off, bicentennial thing.

A few years before that, Tim Warnock's (sp?) group out of the St.
Catharines area began to arrange a conference but had to abandon the
project, with the result that there was no conference that year either.

I seem to recall that one was also held in Chatham once upon a time,
perhaps hosted by the Kent Military Society (???), but as it was a date
conflict for me, I didn't make it, so the details haven't stuck in my
brain.  The date for that would have been 1999 or before.

The Hamilton Ships' Company announced at the last Living History
Conference that our next extravaganza will be in 2008.

It was my understanding, although also from rumour and subterfuge-based
sources, that the Royal Scots were not planning to host a conference
this year -- perhaps someone from the Scots could comment "officially"?

Which leaves us with a conference-less year, unless someone wants a
really, really busy next few months . . .

-- Sioux

Dear List,
  The UTMRS, The Royal Scots, Light Company usually hold a conference every
four years ie. 1994, 1999, 2004 (ok, we let the Talbot people hold it) so we
will probably hold one in 2008 unless someone else would like to hold it.
We are very willing to support anyone wishing to do one even on such short
notice as 2006 but we ourselves aren't ready.  Sorry!!!!!!!!!

Glenn Stott, Royal Scots, Light Company
>

Pardon my ignorance, but not having had the pleasure of attending one
of these conferences in the past, perhaps I could prevail upon one or
more of you to define the general structure and usual content of
the "average" Living History Conference?

I'm rather curious as to what the fuss is about, and who knows, I might
want to get involved in the organization of one of the future ones. The
greater Toronto area is a great place for conferences of any kind, and
there are a whole lot of us reenactors living relatively nearby. We not
only have the entire IMUC organization here, as well as potentially the
facilities of Fort York, but there are several militias based within an
hour's drive, Provincial Marine detachments in and north of the city,
and quite a range of sutlers living in the area. While the timeline is
without doubt a bit (LOL) too tight to get anything put together this
year, perhaps a near future conference in Toronto is a realistic goal.

Food for thought. Comments from IMUC reps and other locals welcome...

YH&OS,
Dale