A RESPONSE; Well, another great author has died on us amatuer historian types;
I'm reading his "Invasion of Canada, War of 1812-1813". Very good book. I'm
finding this book very good on the subject of the War of 1812. david a sigler

Kevin Windsor <kevin.windsor@...> wrote:With sadness.

By Jeffrey Hodgson
TORONTO (Reuters) - Pierre Berton, whose populist tales of Canadian history made
him one of the country's best known writers and media personalities, has died at
age of 84.

The prize-winning author died in a Toronto hospital on Tuesday afternoon, a
spokeswoman said. The cause of death was not disclosed, but CBC television
reported he died of heart failure.

Berton was familiar to millions of Canadians through his trademark bow tie,
fierce nationalism and frequent television appearance. His books brought to life
the country's most exciting historical moments, ranging from the Klondike gold
rush to the taking of Vimy Ridge in World War I.

Born in 1920 and raised in the Yukon, Berton began his career as a newspaper and
magazine journalist. He became the city editor of a Vancouver newspaper at the
age of 21, before moving to Toronto in 1947. He edited the national newsmagazine
Maclean's and later joined the Toronto Star as a columnist.

Berton also appeared on a number of CBC television programs, including
"Close-Up," "The Pierre Berton Show," and the long-running "Front Page
Challenge."

But he entered a new phase of popularity when he began writing books about one
of his favorite topics, Canadian history. The strong narratives and colorful
personalities in his books awoke Canadians to a rich past many were unaware of.

The prolific author's 50 books include "Klondike," about the famous gold rush,
"The National Dream" and "The Last Spike," on building the country's railways,
and "Vimy," which covered one of the Canadian military's most heroic battles.

His works won him the country's top literary honor, the Governor General's
Award, several times.

Berton was also well know for his sense of humor. He appeared on a CBC comedy
program this fall, demonstrating how roll a marijuana joint. He recommended
using the pages of his own books.

© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.



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The passing of Pierre Berton gave me pause to think
again on the thanks we owe him for popularizing
Canadian history and making it accessible to those who
thought it dry, dull and boring. Without his efforts,
many people would not be active in his hobby. Of
course, Berton did not always get the facts right, but
the point is he wasn't an academic, but a journalist,
first and foremost.
     As a journalist, he brought the people to life who
lived our history. He took history from being one damn
fact after another and wove it into a vibrant tapestry.
     Let the academic historians debate the realities
and consequences of the minutaie because without Berton
firing the zeal of budding, grade-school historians
there'd be a damn sight fewer scrutinizing our history.
Berton lit the path for many to follow. Because of him
our understanding of our history is richer and will be
enriched in years to come.

Michael Whittaker
Merrickville, Ontario
www.historyatlarge.ca
"Of arms and the man I sing." Virgil

Wolf,
Congratulations and an honor well deserved. I look forward to serving with you
and our British Native Allies. We will share a smoke and drink in your Honor.
  Your friend and companion,
Tom Russell
Royal Marines

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Hey Richard,

Adrian Rittner needs to get some info from you. Can you contact him at
adrittner@...  at your convenience?

Thanks,

Craig

Ladies and Gentleman, please be advised the address shown has been changed. "The
Dragoon" store is located at 49 Dunlop St East Barrie. Store hours are 11:00
a.m. to 5:30 pm Monday to Thursday. Friday 11:00 to 7:00 pm Saturday 11:00 to
5:30 pm. 1-705-726-5173 toll free 1-888-852- 3732. Please drop by if you are in
the area.
Regards
Steve Graham
"The Dragoon"
Larry Lozon <lalozon@...> wrote:
   Adding:


           John W. Fenner
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Tailoring period clothing and uniforms



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    Steve Abolt, Cynda Abolt
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    Home: 434-385-7338
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    Purveyors of fine military uniforms and clothing of
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    Mike Dollinger

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    Mrs. McLean's Mercantile

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    Facsimile (+1) 519.855.6037
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    Penelope's Pots
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    ~wheel thrown and hand built historical pottery
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    Items also made to order.
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   Smoke and Fire Co.

   Supplier of Clothing, patterns and books
   Free 72 page Catalog
   Retail Store: 27 N. River Rd
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    I hobnail and heelplate boots and shoes,
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    Purveyors of tents, highland clothing and
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    Larry Lozon
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(With apologies, as always, for the cross-posting . . .)

Just a quick reminder to everyone that the Fifth Annual Historic
Merchants' Christmas Gathering takes place this Saturday, December 4th,
10:00 am to 4:00 p.m. at Melrose United Church, at the corner of Locke
Street and Homewood Avenue in Hamilton, Ontario.  Over 20 period
merchants will be on hand to provide quality goods for your Christmas
shopping pleasure, and for those of you who require that last butter
tart (or two . . . or three) to make it through the winter, 4 and 20
Blackbirds will be providing hot and cold refreshments as well as a wide
variety of their traditional baked goods throughout the day.  Come for
breakfast (cinnamon buns baked on-site that morning!) or elevenses.
Melrose United Church is situated just at the end of Locke Street,
Hamilton's renowned "Antiques Alley," and there are seven museums within
a short driving distance, so come on out and make a day of it!
Admission is $3.00 per person, but we'll let you in free of charge if
you come dressed in period attire (or if you happen to be 12 years old
or younger).

For further information, please check out the website at
www.historicmerchants.com.

I'm given to understand that MapQuest has been having a problem
producing maps today, so the "click here for a map" link on the website
may or may not be functional at the moment.  The directions are
(thankfully) easy:

  From Toronto or London:
Take the 403 into Hamilton, and take the Aberdeen exit (you can only go
one way on this exit).  Follow Aberdeen to Locke Street, and turn left
(you can only turn left onto Locke Street from Aberdeen).  Melrose
United is one block down on your right.  We suggest that you turn right
at Homewood Avenue (the cross street to Locke at the church corner) and
park on the street or follow the signs around the block to the church
parking lot.  Parking is free!

If you have any questions or inquiries, please contact Christine Bingham
at c.bingham@....

Hope to see you there!

Best regards,
-- Sioux
Mrs. McLean's Mercantile

Correcting dates to read:

June 25-26  Napoleonic Grand Encampment, Old Bedford Village, PA
Register with Ken Hall  khall1207@... (new eddress)



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2005 WAR Of 1812 Events List
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Jan 8-9  Battle of New Orleans
Jan 22   River Raisin Battle Monroe, MI

Feb 19-20 Battle of Ogdensburg, Ogdensburg, NY

March 5   Living History Conference, Mohawk College, Hamilton Ont

April 9-10    Crown Forces School, Fort York, Toronto
Sat April 9    Infantry Officers & NCOs School of Instruction
Sat April 9    Historical Cooking Workshop
Sun April 10 Artillery Officers & Crews School of Instruction

April 16-17  2nd Annual Fort Meigs Clothing Conference Perrysburg, Ohio
April 15-17  Peninsula Napoleonic Campaign, Anza, CA
April 22-24  School of the 1812 American Soldier Fort Massac, Metropolis,
Il.

May 7-8    Battle of Longwoods London Ont

May 7-8     Attack on Havre De Grace, MD
May 14-15 Militia Muster - Pine City, Minnesota
May 21       Militia Muster, Sully, VA

May 28-29  Talbot Settlement Raids - Tyrconnel, Ont
May 28-29  Fort Meigs Perrysburg Ohio

June 4-5       Battle of Stoney Creek, Hamilton Ont.
June 4-5       Shandy Hall Encampment, Geneva, Ohio
June 11-12  Militia Muster Georgina Pioneer Village, Keswick, Ont
June 18-19  Genesee Country Village Mumford, N.Y.
June 18-19  Battle of Craney Island, Ft Norfolk, VA
June 17-19  Waterloo/Plancenoit, 190th Anniversary, Belgium
June 25-26  Napoleonic Grand Encampment, Old Bedford Village, PA

July 16-17 Annual 1812 Grand Tactical, Ft. George
July 16-17 School of the Sailor, Navy Hall, Fort George, Ont.
July 16-17 Prairie du Chien, Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin
July 22-24 Wasaga under Siege 1812, Wasaga Beach, Ont
July 30-31 Fort Malden's Military Time Line Amherstburg Ont

Aug 6-7       Fort Erie, Ont
Aug 12-14  McArthur's Raid Kanata Village Brantford, Ontario
Aug 13        Battle of Bladensburg, Riversdale, MD
Aug 20-21  Fort Niagara 1812 Weekend, Youngstown N.Y.
Aug 20-21  Hancocks Resolution/Caulk's Field, Pasadena, MD
Aug 27-28  Fanshawe 1812 Encampment, London, Ont

Sept 9-11   Battle of Plattsburgh, Plattsburgh, N.Y.
Sept 10-11 Battle of Lake Erie Event, Put-in-Bay, OH
Sep 10-11  Defenders Day, Ft McHenry, Baltimore, MD
Sept 24       Battle of St Leonards Creek, Jefferson-Patterson Park, MD

Oct 1-2    Faire at the Forks, Chatham, ON
Oct 7-9    Mississinewa 1812 Marion Ind.

Nov 5-6   Muster on the Wabash, Vincennes, IN

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2005 Crown Forces Events
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April 9-10  Crown Forces School, Fort York, Toronto

Sat April 9  School of Instruction: Infantry Officers & NCOs
(All Crown Forces Officers and NCO's encouraged to attend)

Sat April 9 School of Instruction: Historical Cooking Workshop
                    (All Crown Forces cooks encouraged to attend)

Sun April 10 School of Instruction: Artillery Officers & Crews
(Crown Forces Artillery Officers/Crews encouraged to attend)
........

June 4-5 Battle of Stoney Creek, Hamilton Ont.
(Crown Forces Event  - All Crown Forces encouraged to attend)
........

July 16-17 Annual 1812 Grand Tactical, Ft. George, Ont.
           (All Crown and USA Forces encouraged to attend)

July 16-17 School of the Sailor, Navy Hall, Fort George, Ont.
            (All Crown Navy Forces encouraged to attend
........

August 20-21 Fort Niagara 1812 Weekend, Youngstown N.Y.
(Crown Forces Event - All Crown Forces encouraged to attend)
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June 25-26 Napoleonic Grand Encampment, Old Bedford Village, PA.
                     (Crown Forces attend by Invitation)

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Oct 13-15 Mississinewa 1812 Marion Ind.

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If you have your event dates for 2005
please add to the list in date sequence
and "Reply to All"

This sounds great!

Could you please include me in the loop? And where is this meeting?

Could you please email information regarding this matter to
angela@...

Thank you!
Angela



Chris <littlefeatherscrafts@...> wrote:

        The Upper Canada Sutler's Alliance

                            Dear Fellow Sutlers,

                             No matter the event, there has always
been a special bond
                             with many of us in Sutler's Row. The
friendliness, warmth
                             and support that abounds in our area has
been noted and
                             commented on by both re-enactors and the
public alike.

We've helped each other set up, tear down, encouraged, picked each
others' brains with marketing ideas, spelled each other for breaks,
the list is truly endless.  The bottom line is that we support each
other in ways unlike a typical retail atmosphere, and visitors to
Sutler's Row are quick to notice the difference.
We would like to form a sutler's alliance for all these reasons and
more. We propose to take this camaraderie a step further to form a
casual, friendly organization that would give us an outlet to share
ideas and concerns. Some of the benefits we foresee would be:
Inexpensive group insurance for those who need it.
A strong marketing tool and event information in the form of a
website.
A few meetings a year to share ideas and have some fun.
A stronger voice in event co-ordination.
A support system extended to all event co-ordinators to help their
event run smoothly, such as volunteer sutler co-ordinators provided
by the UCSA.
This winter we will be putting together our mandate and a plan of
action. We hope to have our official charter meeting in March at the
Living History Conference.
If you would like us to keep you in touch with further information,
or you have any suggestions on what would be important to you in
such an alliance, please contact us. We look forward to hearing from
you.

With best wishes to you and yours,

Judie and David Glen, Glen Farms' Past Times
Davina and Chris Wilkinson, Little Feathers Bead and Leather Crafts






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Gentlemen, Ladies, et al,


           Another reason to raise a glass!

Yrs.,

        L2


----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Stutt
To: Larry Lozon
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004
Subject: " Vive l'Empereur"!!!!


         Yesterday was the 200th anniversary of Napoleon's coronation as
Emperor of the French.
As you may know, I have an evil twin who is in the Regiment
Irlandais...........would you humour him,
and lift your glass to a worthy adversary, or in my case, to my evil twin's
emperor......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!



Larry Stutt
The King's Regiment in the Canadas


PS: Mr. Stutt is not a subscriber if this WarOf1812 Yahoo Group
        His eddress is posted at http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
        as Commander of the 8th (Kings) Regt

Michael did you raise a glass to l'Empereur?

Egad. Must one? Raise a glass to an upstart corporal and tyrant? Not done,
old chap. (Sniff)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Lozon" <lalozon@...>
To: "Onelist WarOf1812" <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: [WarOf1812] Fw: ......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!


>
> Gentlemen, Ladies, et al,
>
>
>           Another reason to raise a glass!
>
> Yrs.,
>
>        L2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Stutt
> To: Larry Lozon
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004
> Subject: " Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>
>
>         Yesterday was the 200th anniversary of Napoleon's coronation as
> Emperor of the French.
> As you may know, I have an evil twin who is in the Regiment
> Irlandais...........would you humour him,
> and lift your glass to a worthy adversary, or in my case, to my evil
twin's
> emperor......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>
>
>
> Larry Stutt
> The King's Regiment in the Canadas
>
>
> PS: Mr. Stutt is not a subscriber if this WarOf1812 Yahoo Group
>        His eddress is posted at http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>        as Commander of the 8th (Kings) Regt
>
> Michael did you raise a glass to l'Empereur?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
square miles...
>
> Unit Contact information for North America:
>    ---------------------------------
> Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
> American Forces Unit Lisiting
> http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Mai oui, vin blanc.  And each year at a gathering as close to the Emperor's
birthday as possible we celebrate our regimental fete and recite the
circumstances under which we earned our battle motto, "Je passe quand meme!"

In Europe (today perhaps?) they are having a big ceremony reenacting the
distribution of the Eagles.  Since the 21eme already has one presented to
them from the modern day French regimental descendents, they did not attend.
   It is my understanding though that units came from all over the continent
to partake.

Michael Mathews - unabashed follower of an enlightened despot.  ;-)



"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."




>From: "Larry Lozon" <lalozon@...>
>Reply-To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
>To: "Onelist  WarOf1812" <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [WarOf1812] Fw: ......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:45:09 -0500
>
>
>Gentlemen, Ladies, et al,
>
>
>           Another reason to raise a glass!
>
>Yrs.,
>
>        L2
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Larry Stutt
>To: Larry Lozon
>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004
>Subject: " Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>
>
>         Yesterday was the 200th anniversary of Napoleon's coronation as
>Emperor of the French.
>As you may know, I have an evil twin who is in the Regiment
>Irlandais...........would you humour him,
>and lift your glass to a worthy adversary, or in my case, to my evil twin's
>emperor......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>
>
>
>Larry Stutt
>The King's Regiment in the Canadas
>
>
>PS: Mr. Stutt is not a subscriber if this WarOf1812 Yahoo Group
>        His eddress is posted at http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>        as Commander of the 8th (Kings) Regt
>
>Michael did you raise a glass to l'Empereur?
>
(snip)

From: <suthren@...>

  Egad. Must one? Raise a glass to an upstart corporal and tyrant? Not done,
  old chap. (Sniff)



Thot Larry Stutt was yur bud,
even if his evil twin is in the Regiment Irlandais and serving the 'MONSTER!


The things we must do .............. :^)



Yhs.,


     L2

Tyrant?!  Well, er, um, yeah... okay.  But corporal, never!  Always an
officer, occasionally a gentleman.  At least as much as supreme rulers go.
;-)

Michael Mathews




>From: <suthren@...>
>Reply-To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
>To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Fw: ......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:39:27 -0500
>
>
>Egad. Must one? Raise a glass to an upstart corporal and tyrant? Not done,
>old chap. (Sniff)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Lozon" <lalozon@...>
>To: "Onelist WarOf1812" <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:45 PM
>Subject: [WarOf1812] Fw: ......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>
>
> >
> > Gentlemen, Ladies, et al,
> >
> >
> >           Another reason to raise a glass!
> >
> > Yrs.,
> >
> >        L2
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry Stutt
> > To: Larry Lozon
> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004
> > Subject: " Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
> >
> >
> >         Yesterday was the 200th anniversary of Napoleon's coronation as
> > Emperor of the French.
> > As you may know, I have an evil twin who is in the Regiment
> > Irlandais...........would you humour him,
> > and lift your glass to a worthy adversary, or in my case, to my evil
>twin's
> > emperor......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry Stutt
> > The King's Regiment in the Canadas
> >
> >
> > PS: Mr. Stutt is not a subscriber if this WarOf1812 Yahoo Group
> >        His eddress is posted at http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> >        as Commander of the 8th (Kings) Regt
> >
> > Michael did you raise a glass to l'Empereur?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds
>of
>square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
>of
>square miles...
> >
> > Unit Contact information for North America:
> >    ---------------------------------
> > Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> > http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
> >
> > American Forces Unit Lisiting
> > http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
>square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
>of square miles...
>
>Unit Contact information for North America:
>    ---------------------------------
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In a message dated 03/12/2004 14:45:35 Central Standard Time,
ciefranche21e@... writes:

Tyrant?!  Well, er, um, yeah... okay.  But corporal,  never!  Always an
officer, occasionally a gentleman.  At least  as much as supreme rulers go.
;-)



Indeed, I think the French idea of call him 'le petit caporal' came from  the
memory that the British soildiers called the 1st Duke of Marlborough
'Corporal John' out of admiration and affection. The French began calling Nap 
their
answer to Marlborough hence the name.

Cheers

Tim


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Mathews" <ciefranche21e@...>

"Mai oui, vin blanc.  ............regimental fete ... "Je passe quand meme!"
.. 21eme ..."




Michael Mon Ami'

     Traduisez s'il vous plait en anglais car tous ne parlent pas français

Merci beaucoup

L deux fois

Well shuckins', I thot all you fellers up nort were bi.  Lingual that is.
<VBG>

With my best Peppy le Pew accent I said, "But of course, white wine."  The
regimental fete refers to basically a party, in honor of the Empereur, but
renewing the honor of our regiment even in defeat.  At the Battle of Novi in
1799 the French were beaten by the Russians and Austrians under Suvarov.  An
element of the 21st (21eme) demi-brigade (regimental equal) was cut off by
the Russians.  Rallying under the leadership of Sergent Pauli, they over-ran
a Russian battery and blew a hole in the enemy line through which they
escaped with the cry, "je passe quand meme" or, "I will pass anyway."  In a
battle that largely erased all the gains made under General Bonaparte the
previous years it was a bright spot for the French.  The tradition is
carried forward into the 21st century in the modern French army.  Here
endeth the lesson.

I lied.  In a distant North American connection the 2nd battalion of the
Regiment Guyenne was sent to defend Canada against the English in the build
up in the 1750s.  After that war they merged with the regiment Vaubecourt
(not sure of that spelling) to create the 21eme Demi-Brigade.  As one who
also does the French and Indian War with les Francais it is a remarkable
coincedence.  Unfortunately for me, I'm locked into a Compagnie Franche de
la Marine (Independent Company of the Navy) and have declined membership
with the reenacted Regiment Guyenne.

En tout amitie,  (In all friendship,)

Michael, sergent in both French units


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>From: "Larry Lozon" <lalozon@...>
>Reply-To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
>To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [WarOf1812] " Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:01:13 -0500
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Mathews" <ciefranche21e@...>
>
>"Mai oui, vin blanc.  ............regimental fete ... "Je passe quand
>meme!"
>.. 21eme ..."
>
>
>
>
>Michael Mon Ami'
>
>     Traduisez s'il vous plait en anglais car tous ne parlent pas français
>
>Merci beaucoup
>
>L deux fois
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>
>The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
>square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
>of square miles...
>
>Unit Contact information for North America:
>    ---------------------------------
>Crown Forces Unit Listing:
>http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
>American Forces Unit Lisiting
>http://usforces1812.tripod.com
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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Larry Stutt is a fine man and an admirable one. It's Boney that gets on me
wick....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Lozon" <lalozon@...>
To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: [WarOf1812] ......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!


>
> From: <suthren@...>
>
>  Egad. Must one? Raise a glass to an upstart corporal and tyrant? Not
done,
>  old chap. (Sniff)
>
>
>
> Thot Larry Stutt was yur bud,
> even if his evil twin is in the Regiment Irlandais and serving the
'MONSTER!
>
>
> The things we must do .............. :^)
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> Yhs.,
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> The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
square miles...
>
> Unit Contact information for North America:
>    ---------------------------------
> Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
> American Forces Unit Lisiting
> http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Thank you for correcting me as to Buonaparte's rank. I'd forgotten about
military school, etc. Due honour to due rank, of course....
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: <BritcomHMP@...>
To: <WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Fw: ......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!


>
>
> In a message dated 03/12/2004 14:45:35 Central Standard Time,
> ciefranche21e@... writes:
>
> Tyrant?!  Well, er, um, yeah... okay.  But corporal,  never!  Always an
> officer, occasionally a gentleman.  At least  as much as supreme rulers
go.
> ;-)
>
>
>
> Indeed, I think the French idea of call him 'le petit caporal' came from
the
> memory that the British soildiers called the 1st Duke of Marlborough
> 'Corporal John' out of admiration and affection. The French began calling
Nap  their
> answer to Marlborough hence the name.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
square miles...
>
> Unit Contact information for North America:
>    ---------------------------------
> Crown Forces Unit Listing:
> http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
> American Forces Unit Lisiting
> http://usforces1812.tripod.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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A very big thanks you to all of you who attended and/or participated in
the Fifth Annual Historic Merchants' Christmas Gathering!  Although I
can't give you exact figures yet, I can tell you that attendance was up
significantly this year over last, and I am delighted to report that
every merchant with whom I spoke was as thrilled with their day as were
we on the organizing committee.

As always, your comments and suggestions on the event and how to improve
it are very welcome.  Please to feel free to mail me off-list at
susan@..., or my co-chair, Christine Bingham, at
c.bingham@....

We truly appreciate your support!

YH&OS
-- Sioux

p.s. Who DID get that last butter tart?  Gayle (4 & 20) was threatening
to auction it off . . .

p.p.s. Mark your calendars for next year's Gathering: December 3, 2005!

View Mississinewa 2004



http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tfour9506@rogers.com/album?.dir=/3589
&.src=ph&.tok=phrCjKCBPjLP6mR5

Here is hoping one of these links work ...

I have been meaning to post these for some time, sorry for the delay!

Tom Fournier
41st Regiment

Tom and others:

The link works, but in the original email, it must be cut and pasted, rather
than just clicked on.  Great pics!  Try the below link to get there a bit
easier.

Phil Graf

http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tfour9506@rogers.com/album?.dir=/3589&src=ph&.t\
ok=phrCjKCBPjLP6mR5
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Tom Fournier
   To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 4:28 PM
   Subject: [WarOf1812] Photos from Mississinewa - 2004







     View Mississinewa 2004



   http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tfour9506@rogers.com/album?.dir=/3589
   &.src=ph&.tok=phrCjKCBPjLP6mR5

   Here is hoping one of these links work ...

   I have been meaning to post these for some time, sorry for the delay!

   Tom Fournier
   41st Regiment









   The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
square miles...

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Tom,

Great Photos!   I like that some show the public watching the battle.

Our Unit is in the process of setting up a Website.  Would you kindly
give permission for a couple of your photos to be downloaded for
possible use on the Website?

Jack Judd
1st US Light Artillery






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I was glade for all the great feed back I got for are New Group
Upper Canada Sutler Alliance it was great I would like to say
welcome all on hand we now got fourteen Sutlers joined hope to see
more join so like I said we well post more info as it comes also I
well email everyone that is on the list and also don`t forget for
all that have signed up are first meeting well be held at the
History Conference March 5th 2005
Thanks Chris

Hi Jack

Please feel free to use the pictures.

Thank you Phil for patching the link!

Tom Fournier
41st Regiment

-- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, JL Judd <j_l_judd@y...> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Great Photos!   I like that some show the public watching the
battle.
>
> Our Unit is in the process of setting up a Website.  Would you
kindly
> give permission for a couple of your photos to be downloaded for
> possible use on the Website?
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> Jack Judd
> 1st US Light Artillery
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List,

I've got a flintlock holster pistol I'm looking to sell and thought I'd lay
it out for y'all to have a go at before moving it on to Ebay or some other
sales outlet. It's a British Sea Service pistol as far as I know, has an
iron ramrod and brass furniture. It looks more like a light dragoon pistol
to me but I'm no expert on British firearms so I can't say. I think it's .62
cal. but it's been so long since I've shot it I'm not sure... in short I
can't tell you much about this thing other than it's a single shot,
flintlock holster pistol from the late 18th century or early 19th century.
The frizzen is slightly loose but this could be remedied with a shim in the
frizzen bridle. The lock throws good sparks and as long as you've got a good
flint in it it'll shoot. I'm asking a firm $150 for it plus whatever
shipping is which shouldn't be too much. I'm attaching a picture of the
pistol but if for some reason it doesn't come through let me know and I'll
forward it to your personal email.

    Dios, libertad y Tejas,
    Scott McMahon
    S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co.
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roadside, while his wife and daughters, would press their trembling lips to
the glittering crosses suspended from their necks, and hurriedly murmur
forth a fervent prayer to "our Lady of Gaudalupe,"

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Greetings,

On this past Saturday my local F & I group [which includes Brit's,
French & Indians] celebrated the Christmas season as part of a "Visit
with St. Nicholas" at a local city park with old building donated to
form a village.

We were in a log cabin away from the 19th Cen. dwellings and had a
veritable feast including roast pork, vinegar slaw, a hot pot, rice
pudding, bread & cheese and for my first time  HAGGIS!  Locally made and
it was quite spicy having a lot of black pepper.  Was boiled in a large
pot of "neeps and tatties" and was great and topped it off with a piece
of black walnut pie.  Oh the horrors of having to eat period meals
......... NOT! ; ^ )

I'll quit bragging.  No sutlers, but a great way to begin celebrating
the holidays!

Regards,

Bob Dorian
Independence,  MO
USA

PS:  During the recent visit of our President to Canada, the PM referred
to those of us who live in the USA as Americans!  If it's good enough
for him, it's good enough for ME!  Proud to be an American!!

Hmmm...OK...as the late great David Chandler wrote, "A great, bad man".
(Vive l'Empereur?? Long live a long dead usurper? Ok ok, it's a first person
thingy then, eh?)
2005 Waterloo, here we come...
;-)
B

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THE Thin Red Line
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With all this talk about tyrants  I wasn't sure if it was bout George III

Just an IRISH AMERICAN MARINE'S (fighting for freedom of the seas 14
years after our Year of Liberty)  pespective I guess

God Bless he Men of '98
Free Trade and Sailors Rights
Pvt Murphy
USS Constitution

:)  Now I'll hear it
C'mon Peterson  I'm waiting

That's why I put the caveat "as supreme rulers go" (or something like it) on
my post a while back.  In terms of boorish behavior, a cavalier attitude
toward the lives of their people, bleed 'em dry with taxes, send out armies
for pay or greed or pettiness, there isn't a great deal to choose from among
the assorted rulers of 1750 to 1830.  Some might be enlightened on a point
or two, while others might work to turn back the clock on previous reforms.
It's just that some were more successful than others and gathered more of
the limelight.

Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it.

Michael Mathews



"To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research."




>From: "Colin" <usmarine1814@...>
>Reply-To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
>To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [WarOf1812] Re: Fw: ......." Vive l'Empereur"!!!!
>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:32:05 -0000
>
>
>
>With all this talk about tyrants  I wasn't sure if it was bout George III
>
>Just an IRISH AMERICAN MARINE'S (fighting for freedom of the seas 14
>years after our Year of Liberty)  pespective I guess
>
>God Bless he Men of '98
>Free Trade and Sailors Rights
>Pvt Murphy
>USS Constitution
>
>:)  Now I'll hear it
>C'mon Peterson  I'm waiting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
>square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
>of square miles...
>
>Unit Contact information for North America:
>    ---------------------------------
>Crown Forces Unit Listing:
>http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
>
>American Forces Unit Lisiting
>http://usforces1812.tripod.com
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Micheal Matthews Wrote:

   "In terms of boorish behavior, a cavalier attitude toward the lives of their
people, bleed 'em dry with taxes, send out armies for pay or greed or
pettiness".

   Sounds a bit like Tony Blair !!!

   Best wishes to all.
   Squire John



   >The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
   >square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
   >of square miles...
   >
   >Unit Contact information for North America:
   >    ---------------------------------
   >Crown Forces Unit Listing:
   >http://1812crownforces.tripod.com
   >
   >American Forces Unit Lisiting
   >http://usforces1812.tripod.com
   >Yahoo! Groups Links
   >
   >
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square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS of
square miles...

   Unit Contact information for North America:
      ---------------------------------
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   http://1812crownforces.tripod.com

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