In a message dated 10/28/2002 6:30:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lalozon@... writes:


> that's when everyone started the 'oral/Native/book/white-guy history' debate
> started and I bowed out ...........
>
> Sorry for the misunderstanding ......
>
> I still think if you wanna dress up like a native, find documentation the
> same as
> the rest of the soldiers do ....... that is what I said, no more no less
> .........
>
>
> That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
>
> My apologies as well, yer Lordship.  Sounds as if we wuz, to quote a friend
on mine, "in violent agreement": Research Good! Farby Bad!


Peter Monahan
petemonahan@...
705-435-0953


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EMUHis

Tried to check out your photos this a.m., but couldn't get any farther than
the main site, using the address you gave.  Could you post them to the 1812
Photo section?

BTW, the last couple posts I've made are just my general pedantic streak
coming out :), not a shot at you or anyone else doing Native impressions.

Peter Monahan
petemonahan@...
705-435-0953


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From: <petemonahan@...>

My apologies as well ... we wuz
"in violent agreement": Research Good!
Farby Bad!

------------------------

Squire Monahan,

                  No apologies required.

We both agree Research Good!
Farby Bad!

ok pix are uploaded to 1812 photo album named "cb"
>
>EMUHis
>
>Tried to check out your photos this a.m., but couldn't get any farther than
>the main site, using the address you gave.  Could you post them to the 1812
>Photo section?
>
>BTW, the last couple posts I've made are just my general pedantic streak
>coming out :), not a shot at you or anyone else doing Native impressions.
>
>Peter Monahan
>petemonahan@...
>705-435-0953
>
>
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>


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Thank you to all who jumped in with good comments, and thanks to
those who supported what I said on this topic. I bowed out because
the tone was starting to change, but wanted to jump in and say thanks.

Thanks!

And remember, do NOT have leather tassles hanging from your leather
goods if you are doing Native or frontier guy with close connection
to Natives.

Calvin Arnt.
Lincoln Militia.

Greetings,
I don't want to be beating a dead horse but when Mr. Arnt says
no "tassles" does he mean fringe? You know, like what a "Mountain
Man" or Western Native interpreter or a T.V. or movie Davy Crockett
might have hanging from their shirt or coat sleeves and yoke. Just
thought I would ask. Thanks
J.Bruce Whittaker

Hey Bruce,

maybe I'm using the wrong word but when I say tassles, I mean those
strips of leather that are cut to make little hanging "fingers" of
leather that dangle down and move around and stuff. It's just
decorative trim, but like I say, has no history in the style of east
coast Natives. If you are portraying a Great Lakes or Eastern
seaboard Native, or a Frontiersman who is closely associated with
Natives, you shouldn't have tassles on your stuff. That is only from
the traditions of Plains Indians, in the mid continent.

Calvin.

--- In WarOf1812@y..., "JB Whittaker" <ortheris@r...> wrote:
> Greetings,
> I don't want to be beating a dead horse but when Mr. Arnt says
> no "tassles" does he mean fringe? You know, like what a "Mountain
> Man" or Western Native interpreter or a T.V. or movie Davy
Crockett
> might have hanging from their shirt or coat sleeves and yoke. Just
> thought I would ask. Thanks
> J.Bruce Whittaker

Greetings Calvin and Group,
I kind of figured you meant fringe when you said tassles. Tassles
makes me think of exotic dancers spinning sequined streamers from the
ends of......well you get the picture.
J.Bruce Whittaker

1812'ers

Continuing to compile a unit list of Crown Forces
in North America I offer the information forwarded
to me so far.

If errors or omissions,  please contact me
at;   lalozon@...

______________

CROWN FORCES NORTH AMERICA {CFNA}
BRITISH ~ CANADIAN ~ MILITIAS ~ ALLIES

Lieutenant General
Tim Pickles
BritcomHMP@...

Aide De Camp to Mr. Pickles
Jeff Larock
jlarock@...

Deputy Adjutant General
Peter Twist
ptwist@...

Aide De Camp to Mr. Twist
Larry Lozon
lalozon@...

Staff Officers

2IC {Crown Forces Upper Canada}
Jason Everett
jeverett@...

Brigade Major
Craig Williams
sgtwarnr@...

Brigade Major {Crown Forces Upper Canada}
Fred Fishell
giiir@...

Adjutant {Crown Forces Upper Canada}
Paul Schaef
pwschaef@...

Drum Major
Ross Flowers
drums1812@...

Sergeant Major
Steve Hartwick
steve.hartwick@...


Royal Navy

HM Ship Hamilton
Gill Bibby
gill@...

Royal Marines
1st Co. 2nd Battalion
Ed Seufert
easeufe@...

Provincial Marines
Peter Rindlisbacher
pjrindli@...


Cavalry

14th Light Dragoons
Stephen Allie
allies@...

15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
Ken Hall
KHall1207@...

19th Light Dragoons
Chris Franke
cfranke@...

Canadian Light Dragoons
   (Coleman's Troop)
Ray Hobbs
ray.hobbs@...


Infantry

1st (Royal Scots) Regt
Mark Dickerson
mdickerson@...

6th (1st Warwickshire) Regt
Doug DeCroix
d_squared6@...

8th (Kings) Regt
Larry Stutt
larry@...

37th (North Hampshire) Regt
Frederick Carsted
carstedf@...

41st Regt.
Raymond Hobbs
ray.hobbs@...

42nd (Black Watch) Regt
John Harris
jharris@...

49th (Hertfordshire) Regt
Craig Williams
sgtwarnr@...

89th Regt
Kevin Windsor - Gren Co
kevin.windsor@...

93rd (Sutherland Highland) Regt
B. Jennings
HQ93rd@...

95th (Rifles) Regt. 3rd Battalion,
Roger Fuller
fullerfamily@...

Royal Engineers
John Gilmour
JGIL1812@...

British North American Regulars

10th Royal Veteran Battalion
John Church - 1st Co
JPCREDCOAT@...
Bourne, Stephen - 2nd Co.
srb@...

Canadian Fencibles
Keith Lindsey
klindsey@...

Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
glengarry1812@...

Royal Newfoundland Regiment
Lyn Downer - Bulger's Company
downerl@...

Canadian Provinical Corps

Caldwell's Western Rangers
John MacLeod
John_MacLeod@...

Canadian Militias

The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
No 1 Co (Captain Kerby's)
Kevin Lightfoot
kevinlightfoot@...
No 7 Co (Captain Fraser's)
Richard Feltoe
feltoe@...

1st Regt. Kent Militia
Larry Lozon
lalozon@...

1st Regt. Lincoln Militia
Calvin Arnt
arnt@...

Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
Larry Hanna
capt_haha@...

Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia
Michael Mathews
ciefranche21e@...

Prairie du Chien Militia
Bob Camardo - Artillery Co
fedcab@...

Foreign Regt's in British Service

Forces of Lord Selkirk
De Meruon's (Swiss) Regt
De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
Frederick Carsted
carstedf@...
______________________

Please change your records to read:

as of October 6, 2002

The 41st Regiment of Foot Military Living History Group
Raymond Hobbs ~ Officer Commanding
35 Dromore Crescent
Hamilton, Ontario
Canada     L8S 4A8
Phone: (905) 528-7874
ray.hobbs@...
___________________

The KINGS REGIMENT in the CANADAS
             (8th Regiment of Foot)
Larry Stutt ~Officer Commanding,
4253 Bloor Street West
Toronto, Ontario
Canada   M9C 1Z9
Phone: (416) 621-2927
larry@...

------------------------
Note:

CROWN FORCES NORTH AMERICA {CFNA}
is the convenient name given
BRITISH ~ CANADIAN ~ MILITIAS ~ ALLIES
forces in the United States and Canada

CROWN FORCES UPPER CANADA {CFUC}
is a convenient name given
BRITISH ~ CANADIAN ~ MILITIAS ~ ALLIES
forces in Canada

These titles are merely used to describe the
Crown Forces as this list will be forwarded
to sites and event co-ordinators for their ease
in contacting units.
_____________________

PS: Possibly someone would like to compile
a list of American Forces in North America?
Hint, hint, nudge, nudge ..........

As we near the end of the campaign season, and for new listoids, I offer the
honor role of units represented on the e-list.  If your unit is not shown,
please hit reply and insert your unit's name.  An introduction if appropriate is
always welcome.  Perhaps this will also facilitate the creation of a new list of
US forces with contacts.  (Nudge, nudge, hint, hint)

Respectfully,
Michael Mathews

         Recreated Military Units that are represented on the 1812 Onelist
=================================================================
Great Britain
_________________________
Royal Navy
HM Schooner Nancy
Royal Marines: 2nd Battalion
_________________________
Army Staff
_________________________
British Cavalry

14th Light Dragoons
15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
19th Light Dragoons
_________________________
British Infantry

1st Foot Guards
1st (Royal Scots) Regt. of Foot
7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
8th (King's) Regt. of Foot
9th (East Norfolk) Regt. of Foot,
21st (RNBF/Scots Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
23rd Regt. of Foot
37th (North Hampshire) Regt of Foot
41st Regt. of Foot
49th Regt. of Foot
50th (West Kent) Regt. of Foot
73rd Regt of Foot
89th Regt of Foot
93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regt of Foot
95th (Rifles) Regt of Foot

10th Royal Veteran Battalion

Royal Engineers
________________________
Foreign Regiments in British Service

De Meuron's (Swiss) Regt
De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
_____________________
British North American Regulars

Royal Newfoundland Fencibles
Canadian Fencibles
Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
__________________
Canadian Provincial Corps

Canadian Voltigeurs
Michigan Fencibles
__________________
Canadian Incorporated, Embodied and Sedentary Militia

The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
1st Regiment, Kent Militia
1st Regiment, Lincoln Militia
Corps of Canadian Voyageurs
Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
Thomas Anderson's Company of Mississippi Volunteers
Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia

=======================
The Republic of the United States
_______________________
US Navy
_______________________

Ships Company
Gun Crew, USS Carolina
Marine Guard, USS Constitution
_______________________
American Army
_______________________
U.S. Corps of Engineers
1st U.S. Light Artillery
_______________________
American Cavalry

US Light Dragoons
Kentucky Light Dragoons (Militia)
_______________________
2nd U.S. Artillery
Captain Lucas' Company of Militia Artillery
_______________________
American Infantry

1st   US Inf.
4th   US Inf.
6th   US Inf.
7th   US Inf.
8th   US Inf.
15th  US Inf.
17th  US Inf.
19th  US Inf.
25th  US Inf.

1st Regt. of Rifles
Missouri Rangers
_______________
American Militia

5th Maryland
Jackson's Lifeguards
Tennessee Volunteers
West Tennessee Militia
Plauche's Battalion - Compagnie Francs & Carabinier Compagnie
__________________
French Army
7e Hussards
21e Regiment de Ligne
Regiment Etranger Irlandais


"We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes against it -- but we must
sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

4th Company, 1st Battalion 2nd foot regiment {Queens}
Here is a brief History of our company taken from our website http://www
jaholmes.demon.co.uk/secndft/
The regiment was part of wellesleys army which landed in portugal in july
1808 and was present at the battle of vimeiro, where the french marshal
Junot was defeated. vimeiro was not the first time that the queens had
helped defeat the french; for over 15 years the regiment had fought the
french in the west indies {1794-97}, ireland {1798} holland {1799} and egypt
{1800} earning a battle honour in the latter place. they also acted as
marines in 1794 and took part in the glorious first of june........
for more history and pictures etc check out our website we are all based
around surrey and sussex areas of the uk.
take care
lieutenant nick walsh
assistant surgeon 4 coy, 1st batt, 2nd foot
-------Original Message-------

From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Date: 30 October 2002 04:23:21
To: 1812elist
Subject: [WarOf1812] Unit List 6.0

As we near the end of the campaign season, and for new listoids, I offer the
honor role of units represented on the e-list.  If your unit is not shown,
please hit reply and insert your unit's name.  An introduction if
appropriate is always welcome.  Perhaps this will also facilitate the
creation of a new list of US forces with contacts.  (Nudge, nudge, hint,
hint)

Respectfully,
Michael Mathews

         Recreated Military Units that are represented on the 1812 Onelist
=================================================================
Great Britain
_________________________
Royal Navy
HM Schooner Nancy
Royal Marines: 2nd Battalion
_________________________
Army Staff
_________________________
British Cavalry

14th Light Dragoons
15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
19th Light Dragoons
_________________________
British Infantry

1st Foot Guards
1st (Royal Scots) Regt. of Foot
7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
8th (King's) Regt. of Foot
9th (East Norfolk) Regt. of Foot,
21st (RNBF/Scots Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
23rd Regt. of Foot
37th (North Hampshire) Regt of Foot
41st Regt. of Foot
49th Regt. of Foot
50th (West Kent) Regt. of Foot
73rd Regt of Foot
89th Regt of Foot
93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regt of Foot
95th (Rifles) Regt of Foot

10th Royal Veteran Battalion

Royal Engineers
________________________
Foreign Regiments in British Service

De Meuron's (Swiss) Regt
De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
_____________________
British North American Regulars

Royal Newfoundland Fencibles
Canadian Fencibles
Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
__________________
Canadian Provincial Corps

Canadian Voltigeurs
Michigan Fencibles
__________________
Canadian Incorporated, Embodied and Sedentary Militia

The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
1st Regiment, Kent Militia
1st Regiment, Lincoln Militia
Corps of Canadian Voyageurs
Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
Thomas Anderson's Company of Mississippi Volunteers
Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia

=======================
The Republic of the United States
_______________________
US Navy
_______________________

Ships Company
Gun Crew, USS Carolina
Marine Guard, USS Constitution
_______________________
American Army
_______________________
U.S. Corps of Engineers
1st U.S. Light Artillery
_______________________
American Cavalry

US Light Dragoons
Kentucky Light Dragoons (Militia)
_______________________
2nd U.S. Artillery
Captain Lucas' Company of Militia Artillery
_______________________
American Infantry

1st   US Inf.
4th   US Inf.
6th   US Inf.
7th   US Inf.
8th   US Inf.
15th  US Inf.
17th  US Inf.
19th  US Inf.
25th  US Inf.

1st Regt. of Rifles
Missouri Rangers
_______________
American Militia

5th Maryland
Jackson's Lifeguards
Tennessee Volunteers
West Tennessee Militia
Plauche's Battalion - Compagnie Francs & Carabinier Compagnie
__________________
French Army
7e Hussards
21e Regiment de Ligne
Regiment Etranger Irlandais


"We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes against it -- but we
must sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <bomberb17@...>



> 4th Company, 1st Battalion 2nd foot regiment {Queens}
> Here is a brief History of our company taken from our website http://www
> jaholmes.demon.co.uk/secndft/

..............

Nick, your website, as printed here, will not open?!?!?!

As amended:

         Recreated Military Units that are represented on the 1812 Onelist
=================================================================
Great Britain
_________________________
Royal Navy
HM Schooner Nancy
Royal Marines: 2nd Battalion
_________________________
Army Staff
_________________________
British Cavalry

14th Light Dragoons
15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
19th Light Dragoons
_________________________
British Infantry

1st Foot Guards
1st (Royal Scots) Regt. of Foot
2nd foot regiment {Queens}1st Battalion, 4th Company
7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
8th (King's) Regt. of Foot
9th (East Norfolk) Regt. of Foot,
21st (RNBF/Scots Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
23rd Regt. of Foot
37th (North Hampshire) Regt of Foot
41st Regt. of Foot
49th Regt. of Foot
50th (West Kent) Regt. of Foot
73rd Regt of Foot
89th Regt of Foot
93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regt of Foot
95th (Rifles) Regt of Foot

10th Royal Veteran Battalion

Royal Engineers
________________________
Foreign Regiments in British Service

De Meuron's (Swiss) Regt
De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
_____________________
British North American Regulars

Royal Newfoundland Fencibles
Canadian Fencibles
Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
__________________
Canadian Provincial Corps

Canadian Voltigeurs
Michigan Fencibles
__________________
Canadian Incorporated, Embodied and Sedentary Militia

The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
1st Regiment, Kent Militia
1st Regiment, Lincoln Militia
Corps of Canadian Voyageurs
Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
Thomas Anderson's Company of Mississippi Volunteers
Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia

=======================
The Republic of the United States
_______________________
US Navy
_______________________

Ships Company
Gun Crew, USS Carolina
Marine Guard, USS Constitution
_______________________
American Army
_______________________
U.S. Corps of Engineers
1st U.S. Light Artillery
_______________________
American Cavalry

US Light Dragoons
Kentucky Light Dragoons (Militia)
_______________________
2nd U.S. Artillery
Captain Lucas' Company of Militia Artillery
_______________________
American Infantry

1st   US Inf.
4th   US Inf.
6th   US Inf.
7th   US Inf.
8th   US Inf.
15th  US Inf.
17th  US Inf.
19th  US Inf.
25th  US Inf.

1st Regt. of Rifles
Missouri Rangers
_______________
American Militia

5th Maryland
Jackson's Lifeguards
Tennessee Volunteers
West Tennessee Militia
Plauche's Battalion - Compagnie Francs & Carabinier Compagnie
__________________
French Army
7e Hussards
21e Regiment de Ligne
Regiment Etranger Irlandais


"We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes against it -- but we
must sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes


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______________________________________

CROWN FORCES NORTH AMERICA {CFNA}
BRITISH ~ CANADIAN ~ MILITIAS ~ ALLIES

Lieutenant General
Tim Pickles
BritcomHMP@...

Aide De Camp to Mr. Pickles
Jeff Larock
jlarock@...

Deputy Adjutant General
Peter Twist
ptwist@...

Aide De Camp to Mr. Twist
Larry Lozon
lalozon@...

Staff Officers

2IC {Crown Forces Upper Canada}
Jason Everett
jeverett@...

Brigade Major
Craig Williams
sgtwarnr@...

Brigade Major {Crown Forces Upper Canada}
Fred Fishell
giiir@...

Adjutant {Crown Forces Upper Canada}
Paul Schaef
pwschaef@...

Drum Major
Ross Flowers
drums1812@...

Sergeant Major
Steve Hartwick
steve.hartwick@...


Royal Navy

HM Ship Hamilton
Gill Bibby
gill@...

Royal Marines
1st Co. 2nd Battalion
Ed Seufert
easeufe@...

Provincial Marines
Peter Rindlisbacher
pjrindli@...


Cavalry

14th Light Dragoons
Stephen Allie
allies@...

15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
Ken Hall
KHall1207@...

19th Light Dragoons
Chris Franke
cfranke@...

Canadian Light Dragoons
   (Coleman's Troop)
Ray Hobbs
ray.hobbs@...


Infantry

1st (Royal Scots) Regt
Mark Dickerson
mdickerson@...

6th (1st Warwickshire) Regt
Doug DeCroix
d_squared6@...

8th (Kings) Regt
Larry Stutt
larry@...

37th (North Hampshire) Regt
Frederick Carsted
carstedf@...

41st Regt.
Raymond Hobbs
ray.hobbs@...

42nd (Black Watch) Regt
John Harris
jharris@...

49th (Hertfordshire) Regt
Craig Williams
sgtwarnr@...

89th Regt
Kevin Windsor - Gren Co
kevin.windsor@...

93rd (Sutherland Highland) Regt
B. Jennings
HQ93rd@...

95th (Rifles) Regt. 3rd Battalion,
Roger Fuller
fullerfamily@...

Royal Engineers
John Gilmour
JGIL1812@...

British North American Regulars

10th Royal Veteran Battalion
John Church - 1st Co
JPCREDCOAT@...
Bourne, Stephen - 2nd Co.
srb@...

Canadian Fencibles
Keith Lindsey
klindsey@...

Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
glengarry1812@...

Royal Newfoundland Regiment
Lyn Downer - Bulger's Company
downerl@...
Rick Peterson - Skinner's Coy
rpeterson2@...

Canadian Provinical Corps

Caldwell's Western Rangers
John MacLeod
John_MacLeod@...

Canadian Militias

The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
No 1 Co (Captain Kerby's)
Kevin Lightfoot
kevinlightfoot@...
No 7 Co (Captain Fraser's)
Richard Feltoe
feltoe@...

1st Regt. Kent Militia
Larry Lozon
lalozon@...

1st Regt. Lincoln Militia
Calvin Arnt
arnt@...

Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
Larry Hanna
capt_haha@...

Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia
Michael Mathews
ciefranche21e@...

Prairie du Chien Militia
Bob Camardo - Artillery Co
fedcab@...

Foreign Regt's in British Service

Forces of Lord Selkirk
De Meruon's (Swiss) Regt
De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
Frederick Carsted
carstedf@...

------------------------
Note:

CROWN FORCES NORTH AMERICA {CFNA}
is the convenient name given
BRITISH ~ CANADIAN ~ MILITIAS ~ ALLIES
forces in the United States and Canada

CROWN FORCES UPPER CANADA {CFUC}
is a convenient name given
BRITISH ~ CANADIAN ~ MILITIAS ~ ALLIES
forces in Canada

These titles are merely used to describe the
Crown Forces as this list will be forwarded
to sites and event co-ordinators for their ease
in contacting units.
_____________________

Corrected email address to read: ptwist@...
Corrected email address to read: pjrindli@...

Added: Royal Newfoundland Regiment
             Rick Peterson - Skinner's Coy
             rpeterson2@...

DDDOOOHHH forgot the dot between www etc try this: http://www.jaholmes.demon
co.uk/secndft
sorry let me know if you still cannot get to the site ok.
take care
nick.

-------Original Message-------

From: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Date: 30 October 2002 19:34:42
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarOf1812] 2nd foot regiment


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <bomberb17@...>



> 4th Company, 1st Battalion 2nd foot regiment {Queens}
> Here is a brief History of our company taken from our website http://www
> jaholmes.demon.co.uk/secndft/

...............

Nick, your website, as printed here, will not open?!?!?!

















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27th US Inf.  (from Chatham Ontario) Contact Mark Dickerson 
mdickerson@...
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PEGGY MATHEWS
   To: 1812elist
   Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:22 PM
   Subject: [WarOf1812] Unit List 6.0


   As we near the end of the campaign season, and for new listoids, I offer the
honor role of units represented on the e-list.  If your unit is not shown,
please hit reply and insert your unit's name.  An introduction if appropriate is
always welcome.  Perhaps this will also facilitate the creation of a new list of
US forces with contacts.  (Nudge, nudge, hint, hint)

   Respectfully,
   Michael Mathews

           Recreated Military Units that are represented on the 1812 Onelist
   1st   US Inf.
   4th   US Inf.
   6th   US Inf.
   7th   US Inf.
   8th   US Inf.
   15th  US Inf.
   17th  US Inf.
   19th  US Inf.
   25th  US Inf.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

As amended once more (we're getting there):

         Recreated Military Units that are represented on the 1812 Onelist
=================================================================
Great Britain
_________________________
Royal Navy
HM Schooner Nancy
Royal Marines: 2nd Battalion
_________________________
Army Staff
_________________________
British Cavalry

14th Light Dragoons
15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
19th Light Dragoons
_________________________
British Infantry

1st Foot Guards
1st (Royal Scots) Regt. of Foot
2nd foot regiment {Queens}1st Battalion, 4th Company
7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
8th (King's) Regt. of Foot
9th (East Norfolk) Regt. of Foot,
21st (RNBF/Scots Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
23rd Regt. of Foot
37th (North Hampshire) Regt of Foot
41st Regt. of Foot
49th Regt. of Foot
50th (West Kent) Regt. of Foot
73rd Regt of Foot
89th Regt of Foot
93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regt of Foot
95th (Rifles) Regt of Foot

10th Royal Veteran Battalion

Royal Engineers
________________________
Foreign Regiments in British Service

De Meuron's (Swiss) Regt
De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
_____________________
British North American Regulars

Royal Newfoundland Fencibles
Canadian Fencibles
Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
__________________
Canadian Provincial Corps

Canadian Voltigeurs
Michigan Fencibles
__________________
Canadian Incorporated, Embodied and Sedentary Militia

The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
1st Regiment, Kent Militia
1st Regiment, Lincoln Militia
Corps of Canadian Voyageurs
Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
Thomas Anderson's Company of Mississippi Volunteers
Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia

=======================
The Republic of the United States
_______________________
US Navy
_______________________

Ships Company
Gun Crew, USS Carolina
Marine Guard, USS Constitution
_______________________
American Army
_______________________
U.S. Corps of Engineers
1st U.S. Light Artillery
_______________________
American Cavalry

US Light Dragoons
Kentucky Light Dragoons (Militia)
_______________________
2nd U.S. Artillery
Captain Lucas' Company of Militia Artillery
_______________________
American Infantry

1st  US Inf.
4th  US Inf.
6th  US Inf.
7th  US Inf.
8th  US Inf.
15th US Inf.
17th US Inf.
19th US Inf.
25th US Inf.
27th US Inf.

1st Regt. of Rifles
Missouri Rangers
_______________
American Militia

5th Maryland
Jackson's Lifeguards
Tennessee Volunteers
West Tennessee Militia
Plauche's Battalion - Compagnie Francs & Carabinier Compagnie
__________________
French Army
7e Hussards
21e Regiment de Ligne
Regiment Etranger Irlandais




"We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes against it -- but we must
sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In WarOf1812@y..., "PEGGY MATHEWS" <ciefranche21e@m...> wrote:
> As amended once more (we're getting there):

Add 35th Btn, NH (Cheshire Co.) Militia, contact is Brian at
iarwain@..., on this list.

F

>
>         Recreated Military Units that are represented on the 1812 Onelist
> =================================================================
> Great Britain
> _________________________
> Royal Navy
> HM Schooner Nancy
> Royal Marines: 2nd Battalion
> _________________________
> Army Staff
> _________________________
> British Cavalry
>
> 14th Light Dragoons
> 15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
> 19th Light Dragoons
> _________________________
> British Infantry
>
> 1st Foot Guards
> 1st (Royal Scots) Regt. of Foot
> 2nd foot regiment {Queens}1st Battalion, 4th Company
> 7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
> 8th (King's) Regt. of Foot
> 9th (East Norfolk) Regt. of Foot,
> 21st (RNBF/Scots Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
> 23rd Regt. of Foot
> 37th (North Hampshire) Regt of Foot
> 41st Regt. of Foot
> 49th Regt. of Foot
> 50th (West Kent) Regt. of Foot
> 73rd Regt of Foot
> 89th Regt of Foot
> 93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regt of Foot
> 95th (Rifles) Regt of Foot
>
> 10th Royal Veteran Battalion
>
> Royal Engineers
> ________________________
> Foreign Regiments in British Service
>
> De Meuron's (Swiss) Regt
> De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
> _____________________
> British North American Regulars
>
> Royal Newfoundland Fencibles
> Canadian Fencibles
> Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
> __________________
> Canadian Provincial Corps
>
> Canadian Voltigeurs
> Michigan Fencibles
> __________________
> Canadian Incorporated, Embodied and Sedentary Militia
>
> The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
> 1st Regiment, Kent Militia
> 1st Regiment, Lincoln Militia
> Corps of Canadian Voyageurs
> Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
> Thomas Anderson's Company of Mississippi Volunteers
> Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia
>
> =======================
> The Republic of the United States
> _______________________
> US Navy
> _______________________
>
> Ships Company
> Gun Crew, USS Carolina
> Marine Guard, USS Constitution
> _______________________
> American Army
> _______________________
> U.S. Corps of Engineers
> 1st U.S. Light Artillery
> _______________________
> American Cavalry
>
> US Light Dragoons
> Kentucky Light Dragoons (Militia)
> _______________________
> 2nd U.S. Artillery
> Captain Lucas' Company of Militia Artillery
> _______________________
> American Infantry
>
> 1st  US Inf.
> 4th  US Inf.
> 6th  US Inf.
> 7th  US Inf.
> 8th  US Inf.
> 15th US Inf.
> 17th US Inf.
> 19th US Inf.
> 25th US Inf.
> 27th US Inf.
>
> 1st Regt. of Rifles
> Missouri Rangers
> _______________
> American Militia
>
> 5th Maryland
> Jackson's Lifeguards
> Tennessee Volunteers
> West Tennessee Militia
> Plauche's Battalion - Compagnie Francs & Carabinier Compagnie
> __________________
> French Army
> 7e Hussards
> 21e Regiment de Ligne
> Regiment Etranger Irlandais
>
>
>
>
> "We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes against it -- but we must
sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Greetings Liste,

Please forgive the commercial nature of this post.

Tuckahoe Trading Company is having a Holiday Sale of many of its
products. Don't wait for the last minute to check on our great deals
because supply is limited on many items.

http://www.tuckahoetradingco.com/

Regards,

Tom Apple

35 battalions of NH militia?  Wow, that's a lot of farmers.  Do you (or
Brian if you're reading) have any information to share?  Composition
(farmers comment was a joke), history, clothing/uniform, etc.  I'd be
interested to know more about some New England militia organizations.

Thanks,
Michael



"We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes against it -- but we
must sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes





>From: "alaidh" <alaidh@...>
>Reply-To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
>To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [WarOf1812] Re: Unit List 6.2
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:38:56 -0000
>
>--- In WarOf1812@y..., "PEGGY MATHEWS" <ciefranche21e@m...> wrote:
> > As amended once more (we're getting there):
>
>Add 35th Btn, NH (Cheshire Co.) Militia, contact is Brian at
>iarwain@..., on this list.
>
>F
>
> >
> >         Recreated Military Units that are represented on the 1812
>Onelist
> > =================================================================
> > Great Britain
> > _________________________
> > Royal Navy
> > HM Schooner Nancy
> > Royal Marines: 2nd Battalion
> > _________________________
> > Army Staff
> > _________________________
> > British Cavalry
> >
> > 14th Light Dragoons
> > 15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
> > 19th Light Dragoons
> > _________________________
> > British Infantry
> >
> > 1st Foot Guards
> > 1st (Royal Scots) Regt. of Foot
> > 2nd foot regiment {Queens}1st Battalion, 4th Company
> > 7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
> > 8th (King's) Regt. of Foot
> > 9th (East Norfolk) Regt. of Foot,
> > 21st (RNBF/Scots Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
> > 23rd Regt. of Foot
> > 37th (North Hampshire) Regt of Foot
> > 41st Regt. of Foot
> > 49th Regt. of Foot
> > 50th (West Kent) Regt. of Foot
> > 73rd Regt of Foot
> > 89th Regt of Foot
> > 93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regt of Foot
> > 95th (Rifles) Regt of Foot
> >
> > 10th Royal Veteran Battalion
> >
> > Royal Engineers
> > ________________________
> > Foreign Regiments in British Service
> >
> > De Meuron's (Swiss) Regt
> > De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
> > _____________________
> > British North American Regulars
> >
> > Royal Newfoundland Fencibles
> > Canadian Fencibles
> > Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
> > __________________
> > Canadian Provincial Corps
> >
> > Canadian Voltigeurs
> > Michigan Fencibles
> > __________________
> > Canadian Incorporated, Embodied and Sedentary Militia
> >
> > The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
> > 1st Regiment, Kent Militia
> > 1st Regiment, Lincoln Militia
> > Corps of Canadian Voyageurs
> > Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
> > Thomas Anderson's Company of Mississippi Volunteers
> > Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia
> >
> > =======================
> > The Republic of the United States
> > _______________________
> > US Navy
> > _______________________
> >
> > Ships Company
> > Gun Crew, USS Carolina
> > Marine Guard, USS Constitution
> > _______________________
> > American Army
> > _______________________
> > U.S. Corps of Engineers
> > 1st U.S. Light Artillery
> > _______________________
> > American Cavalry
> >
> > US Light Dragoons
> > Kentucky Light Dragoons (Militia)
> > _______________________
> > 2nd U.S. Artillery
> > Captain Lucas' Company of Militia Artillery
> > _______________________
> > American Infantry
> >
> > 1st  US Inf.
> > 4th  US Inf.
> > 6th  US Inf.
> > 7th  US Inf.
> > 8th  US Inf.
> > 15th US Inf.
> > 17th US Inf.
> > 19th US Inf.
> > 25th US Inf.
> > 27th US Inf.
> >
> > 1st Regt. of Rifles
> > Missouri Rangers
> > _______________
> > American Militia
> >
> > 5th Maryland
> > Jackson's Lifeguards
> > Tennessee Volunteers
> > West Tennessee Militia
> > Plauche's Battalion - Compagnie Francs & Carabinier Compagnie
> > __________________
> > French Army
> > 7e Hussards
> > 21e Regiment de Ligne
> > Regiment Etranger Irlandais
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes against it -- but we
>must sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>The War of 1812: In Europe, thousands fought over the fate of hundreds of
>square miles: in North America, hundreds determined the fate of THOUSANDS
>of square miles...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Mathews" <ciefranche21e@...>



       35 battalions of NH militia?  Wow, that's a lot of farmers.


...........

    So how many pitchforks does that equate to? :-)

In a message dated 10/31/2002 8:40:40 AM Central Standard Time,
alaidh@... writes:


> Add 35th Btn, NH (Cheshire Co.) Militia, contact is Brian at
> iarwain@..., on this list.
>
>

35 battalions? In a Militia regiment? in 1812? A mistake perhaps? :-)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

Pitchforks?  Lots & Lots!

35 Battalions - Probably independent battalions of a regional nature.

My 2 cents!

Regards,

Bob

Add 1st Md. Rifle BN., Fells Point Rifles
Y.H. & O.S.
Ted Yeatman
--- PEGGY Mathews <ciefranche21e@...> wrote:
> 35 battalions of NH militia?  Wow, that's a lot of
> farmers.  Do you (or
> Brian if you're reading) have any information to
> share?  Composition
> (farmers comment was a joke), history,
> clothing/uniform, etc.  I'd be
> interested to know more about some New England
> militia organizations.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
>
> "We must sail sometimes with the wind and sometimes
> against it -- but we
> must sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." --
> Oliver Wendell Holmes
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "alaidh" <alaidh@...>
> >Reply-To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> >To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [WarOf1812] Re: Unit List 6.2
> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:38:56 -0000
> >
> >--- In WarOf1812@y..., "PEGGY MATHEWS"
> <ciefranche21e@m...> wrote:
> > > As amended once more (we're getting there):
> >
> >Add 35th Btn, NH (Cheshire Co.) Militia, contact is
> Brian at
> >iarwain@..., on this list.
> >
> >F
> >
> > >
> > >         Recreated Military Units that are
> represented on the 1812
> >Onelist
> > >
>
=================================================================
> > > Great Britain
> > > _________________________
> > > Royal Navy
> > > HM Schooner Nancy
> > > Royal Marines: 2nd Battalion
> > > _________________________
> > > Army Staff
> > > _________________________
> > > British Cavalry
> > >
> > > 14th Light Dragoons
> > > 15th Light Dragoons (Hussars)
> > > 19th Light Dragoons
> > > _________________________
> > > British Infantry
> > >
> > > 1st Foot Guards
> > > 1st (Royal Scots) Regt. of Foot
> > > 2nd foot regiment {Queens}1st Battalion, 4th
> Company
> > > 7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
> > > 8th (King's) Regt. of Foot
> > > 9th (East Norfolk) Regt. of Foot,
> > > 21st (RNBF/Scots Fusiliers) Regt. of Foot
> > > 23rd Regt. of Foot
> > > 37th (North Hampshire) Regt of Foot
> > > 41st Regt. of Foot
> > > 49th Regt. of Foot
> > > 50th (West Kent) Regt. of Foot
> > > 73rd Regt of Foot
> > > 89th Regt of Foot
> > > 93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regt of Foot
> > > 95th (Rifles) Regt of Foot
> > >
> > > 10th Royal Veteran Battalion
> > >
> > > Royal Engineers
> > > ________________________
> > > Foreign Regiments in British Service
> > >
> > > De Meuron's (Swiss) Regt
> > > De Watteville's (Swiss) Regt
> > > _____________________
> > > British North American Regulars
> > >
> > > Royal Newfoundland Fencibles
> > > Canadian Fencibles
> > > Glengarry Light Infantry Fencibles
> > > __________________
> > > Canadian Provincial Corps
> > >
> > > Canadian Voltigeurs
> > > Michigan Fencibles
> > > __________________
> > > Canadian Incorporated, Embodied and Sedentary
> Militia
> > >
> > > The Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada
> > > 1st Regiment, Kent Militia
> > > 1st Regiment, Lincoln Militia
> > > Corps of Canadian Voyageurs
> > > Norfolk Militia Heritage Regiment
> > > Thomas Anderson's Company of Mississippi
> Volunteers
> > > Joseph Rolette's Company of Voyageur Militia
> > >
> > > =======================
> > > The Republic of the United States
> > > _______________________
> > > US Navy
> > > _______________________
> > >
> > > Ships Company
> > > Gun Crew, USS Carolina
> > > Marine Guard, USS Constitution
> > > _______________________
> > > American Army
> > > _______________________
> > > U.S. Corps of Engineers
> > > 1st U.S. Light Artillery
> > > _______________________
> > > American Cavalry
> > >
> > > US Light Dragoons
> > > Kentucky Light Dragoons (Militia)
> > > _______________________
> > > 2nd U.S. Artillery
> > > Captain Lucas' Company of Militia Artillery
> > > _______________________
> > > American Infantry
> > >
> > > 1st  US Inf.
> > > 4th  US Inf.
> > > 6th  US Inf.
> > > 7th  US Inf.
> > > 8th  US Inf.
> > > 15th US Inf.
> > > 17th US Inf.
> > > 19th US Inf.
> > > 25th US Inf.
> > > 27th US Inf.
> > >
> > > 1st Regt. of Rifles
> > > Missouri Rangers
> > > _______________
> > > American Militia
> > >
> > > 5th Maryland
> > > Jackson's Lifeguards
> > > Tennessee Volunteers
> > > West Tennessee Militia
> > > Plauche's Battalion - Compagnie Francs &
> Carabinier Compagnie
> > > __________________
> > > French Army
> > > 7e Hussards
> > > 21e Regiment de Ligne
> > > Regiment Etranger Irlandais
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "We must sail sometimes with the wind and
> sometimes against it -- but we
> >must sail, and not drift, nor lie at anchor." --
> Oliver Wendell Holmes
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
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> >
> >
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> >square miles: in North America, hundreds determined
> the fate of THOUSANDS
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--- In WarOf1812@y..., "Larry Lozon" <lalozon@n...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Mathews" <ciefranche21e@m...>
>
>
>
>       35 battalions of NH militia?  Wow, that's a lot of farmers.
>
>
> ...........
>
>    So how many pitchforks does that equate to? :-)

2 companies with muskets, one with rifles - seems to have averaged
about 50 men plus officers per company. When we saw the remains of
their banner at the historical society, we decide that this was just
too good to pass up.

F

--- In WarOf1812@y..., dancingbobd@w... wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Pitchforks?  Lots & Lots!
>
> 35 Battalions - Probably independent battalions of a regional nature.
>
> My 2 cents!
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob

Very true- and small in size, as well. Pretty well armed tho' - had the
bucks to buy their own from the Springfield Arsenal. They seem to have
spent their money on arms, not uniforms...its nice to see folks who got
their priorities straight.

Background-

Originally part of John Stark's militia brigade at Bennington during
the revwar, stuck around as a Sunday drill an' parade club between the
wars. "Dressed as hunters, wearing round hats" according to the only
written description prior to 1814, when they were called up for Federal
duty to help garrison the forts at Portsmouth. At this point they were
issued "grey roundabouts" from State stores along with the LaFayette
Volunteer Artillery (four iron 4 pdr's) who were also ordered out - As
well as the Hillsbourough Co. Horse, about 40 well dressed nabobs from
wealthy families.

Sometime during their tour they were issued regular army uniforms,
their duty seems to have consisted of  picking fights with the watering
parties from the blockading squadron (a 74, 2 frigates and a brig)


F

So Ted, would they be considered a regular unit, or a militia?  Just wondering
which category to place them in.  I'm guessing militia as I don't believe the
regular army regiments had territorial distinctions.

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Y.
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:41 PM
To: WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarOf1812] Re: Unit List 6.2

Add 1st Md. Rifle BN., Fells Point Rifles
Y.H. & O.S.
Ted Yeatman
(snip)
> > >Recreated Military Units that are represented on the 1812 Onelist
> > >
>
=================================================================
(snip)
> > > =======================
> > > The Republic of the United States
> > > _______________________
> > > US Navy
> > > _______________________
> > >
> > > Ships Company
> > > Gun Crew, USS Carolina
> > > Marine Guard, USS Constitution
> > > _______________________
> > > American Army
> > > _______________________
> > > U.S. Corps of Engineers
> > > 1st U.S. Light Artillery
> > > _______________________
> > > American Cavalry
> > >
> > > US Light Dragoons
> > > Kentucky Light Dragoons (Militia)
> > > _______________________
> > > 2nd U.S. Artillery
> > > Captain Lucas' Company of Militia Artillery
> > > _______________________
> > > American Infantry
> > >
> > > 1st  US Inf.
> > > 4th  US Inf.
> > > 6th  US Inf.
> > > 7th  US Inf.
> > > 8th  US Inf.
> > > 15th US Inf.
> > > 17th US Inf.
> > > 19th US Inf.
> > > 25th US Inf.
> > > 27th US Inf.
> > >
> > > 1st Regt. of Rifles
> > > Missouri Rangers
> > > _______________
> > > American Militia
> > >
> > > 5th Maryland
> > > Jackson's Lifeguards
> > > Tennessee Volunteers
> > > West Tennessee Militia
> > > Plauche's Battalion - Compagnie Francs &
> Carabinier Compagnie
> > > __________________
> > > French Army
> > > 7e Hussards
> > > 21e Regiment de Ligne
> > > Regiment Etranger Irlandais
(snip)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cool stuff Fitz, thanks.  So the 35th was three companies strong.  Did the other
battalions (35!) exist in reality or on paper?  I'm thinking if they are roughly
the same size then 35 x 150 = 5250 men, a very substantial force indeed.  Did
other New England states have that many embodied men I wonder?

Michael

(snip)
Very true- and small in size, as well. Pretty well armed tho' - had the
bucks to buy their own from the Springfield Arsenal. They seem to have
spent their money on arms, not uniforms...its nice to see folks who got
their priorities straight.

Background-

Originally part of John Stark's militia brigade at Bennington during
the revwar, stuck around as a Sunday drill an' parade club between the
wars. "Dressed as hunters, wearing round hats" according to the only
written description prior to 1814, when they were called up for Federal
duty to help garrison the forts at Portsmouth. At this point they were
issued "grey roundabouts" from State stores along with the LaFayette
Volunteer Artillery (four iron 4 pdr's) who were also ordered out - As
well as the Hillsbourough Co. Horse, about 40 well dressed nabobs from
wealthy families.

Sometime during their tour they were issued regular army uniforms,
their duty seems to have consisted of  picking fights with the watering
parties from the blockading squadron (a 74, 2 frigates and a brig)


F


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In WarOf1812@y..., "PEGGY MATHEWS" <ciefranche21e@m...> wrote:

As far as the list goes, definitely militia - unless of course, they
volunteered for their federal service which would have made them short-
term regulars. i understand, however, that they were called up by the
governor, so file us under militia.


> Cool stuff Fitz, thanks.  So the 35th was three companies strong.  Did the
other battalions (35!) exist in reality or on paper?  I'm thinking if they are
roughly the same size then 35 x 150 = 5250 men, a very substantial force indeed.
Did other New England states have that many embodied men I wonder?

NH had a population of about 100,000 in those days, could call out
about 10,000 militia plus the four state regiments (1st -4th NH Regts
of Infantry). NH was also the primary recruiting ground of a couple of
Federal regiments - the 21st Infantry, for instance (surely our cousins
north of the border remember that flock of farmers with pitchforks -
they're the ones who captured the guns on the hill at Lundy's Lane with
their single-tined pitchforks, and then held them against all efforts <
g>)

Massachusetts could field 60,000 militia, Vermont just a tad less than
NH. Don't know the figures for Connecticut and Rhode Island, Maine was
part of Massachusetts in those days.

Massachusetts had some pretty uniforms, though.

F
>
> Michael
>
> (snip)
> Very true- and small in size, as well. Pretty well armed tho' - had the
> bucks to buy their own from the Springfield Arsenal. They seem to have
> spent their money on arms, not uniforms...its nice to see folks who got
> their priorities straight.
>
> Background-
>
> Originally part of John Stark's militia brigade at Bennington during
> the revwar, stuck around as a Sunday drill an' parade club between the
> wars. "Dressed as hunters, wearing round hats" according to the only
> written description prior to 1814, when they were called up for Federal
> duty to help garrison the forts at Portsmouth. At this point they were
> issued "grey roundabouts" from State stores along with the LaFayette
> Volunteer Artillery (four iron 4 pdr's) who were also ordered out - As
> well as the Hillsbourough Co. Horse, about 40 well dressed nabobs from
> wealthy families.
>
> Sometime during their tour they were issued regular army uniforms,
> their duty seems to have consisted of  picking fights with the watering
> parties from the blockading squadron (a 74, 2 frigates and a brig)
>
>
> F
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 10/31/02 2:42:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
BritcomHMP@... writes:


> 35 battalions? In a Militia regiment? in 1812? A mistake perhaps? :-)
>

Not at all!  I can't speak for New England Militia but Maryland was organized
into 51 Regiments which were organized into 12 brigades of 4-5 regiments
each.  Some of the brigades were augmented by Rifle battalions and Artillery
companies.  The brigades were further gathered into 3 divisions, each
commanded by a Major-General.  Maryland was also divided into districts for
the purpose of fielding 11 regiments of Cavalry.

The best brigade was supposedly the 3rd composed of men from Baltimore City.
At North Point, the 3rd was composed of the 5th, 6th, 27th, 39th and 51st
Regiments, with the 5th Cavalry Regiment, the 1st Rifle Battalion and a
company from the 1st Artillery Regiment in support.  All were Maryland
Militia except for 3 companies of Pennsylvania Militia which were scattered
amongst the infantry.  The entire force amounted to approximately 3200 men.

It was the 3rd brigade which gave the British a bloody nose at North Point.

Virginia Militia had at least 68 Regiments.  A colour of the 68th regiment
was captured supposedly at Bladensburg by the 85th.  However, there is some
proof that the colour was actually taken at Hampton in June 1813 by the Royal
Marines.  The 68th was not present at Bladensburg but a company was involved
in the defense of Hampton.

  Ed Seufert, LCpl
1812 Royal Marines
1st Co/2nd Batt RM


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