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Posted Originally by Mrs Visnjic I Wish on TWoP on 4/13/04

Spoilers for 6.1, N.S.F. Thurmond

CJ tells Toby about an interview that was done with a widow. Someone sent i=
t to
her to scare them into putting Bartlet on TV to respond. Toby wants to know=
  how
bad it is. It's pretty bad. They play the tape. It's Congressman Korb's (fr=
om the
Gaza episode) wife. She's sitting in a living room-type setup with a pic of=
  her late
husband behind her – and she's crying. She tells the camera that Bartlet ow=
es
her and her family an apology for not taking immediate and decisive action.=
  She's
crying so hard she can barely get the words out.

Cut to the Oval with Bartlet, Kate, the Israeli Ambassador and someone else=
  I
don't know. They're on speakerphone with the Israeli PM. Bartlet tells him =
Nasan
has been detained by the Palestinian Authority and will hand him over to th=
e FBI.
The PM says they've promised to hand over terrorists before – they just nev=
er
keep their promises. Bartlet thinks it's a show of good faith.
And that's it for now.

NBC, in their apparent wisdom, has chosen to change the title of the April 21st
episode from "The Promise" to "Talking Points."

Pung -

The rabbit died?  Oh, that would be great - but it would actually
turn out that Abbey got pregnant while on vacation in California, because we all
know that Sam is the father. ;-)

And Jed in the shower?  I have a feeling that someone had been
reading the posts on the TWoP Jed thread where we were discussing the many
magnificent moments of wet Martin Sheen.  If I get to see Martin, damp, with
that little lock of unruly hair on his forehead, so help me, I will forgive John
Wells
for "Access."

Linda

--- In WWSpoilers@yahoogroups.com, peggy young <pung_1@s...> wrote:

> *********Oh, the Leo/Abbey shippers (yeah, they are out there)must
be
having a field day.
>
> Leo and Abbey spar over health issues, personal and political;
>
> ****************the rabbit died.
>
>  .And it's off to the showers for the
> President, Charlie and Debbie Fiderer (Lily Tomlin), on the orders
of no-nonsense guys in hazmat suits.
>
> *********************and here's a whole new category of NC17 fanfic.
>
> ;> pung

--- Linda Mayberry <lmayberry@...> wrote:

*********Oh, the Leo/Abbey shippers (yeah, they are out there)must be having a
field day.

Leo and Abbey spar over health issues, personal and political;

****************the rabbit died.

  .And it's off to the showers for the
President, Charlie and Debbie Fiderer (Lily Tomlin), on the orders of
no-nonsense
guys in hazmat suits.

*********************and here's a whole new category of NC17 fanfic.

;> pung
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April 21, 2004: The Promise: On a day the president is to travel to Brussel=
s to
sign a trade pact, Josh learns that a U.S. tech firm will outsource 17,000 =
jobs to
India. Meanwhile, C.J. tries to get reluctant reporters to write about an F=
CC
media-consolidation ruling that smells fishy to her; Josh and Donna are feu=
ding;
and Bartlet has an awkward discussion about U.S.-French relations with a ne=
w
NSC deputy (Mary McCormack). Richard Schiff directed.

April 28, 2004: No Exit: Resentments fester when the White House is locked =

down after a suspicious substance is found in the air near the Oval Office.=
  Staffers
must remain where they are — and with whomever they're with. This is
particularly bad news for Toby and Will, whose already-unraveling relations=
hip is
spiraling downward ever faster in the wake of a Russell speech (written by =
Will)
that Toby feels undercut Bartlet. Meanwhile, C.J. has some career advice fo=
r
Donna; Leo and Abbey spar over health issues, personal and political; and J=
osh
gets to know new NSC staffer Kate Harper.And it's off to the showers for th=
e
President, Charlie and Debbie Fiderer (Lily Tomlin), on the orders of no-no=
nsense
guys in hazmat suits.

This is to let folks know that the Links page has recently been
updated with some things that might interest and amuse people.
Everything for your delight and delectation.

In which section are the spoilers? When you click on the link you are just given
a menu list.  Which topic do i go into?
Thanks
Mera



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~*~*~
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The very wonderful "Mrs Visnjic I Wish" on TWoP has posted some
spoilers for the first two episodes of Season Six!  It looks as
though the WW cast may be putting up to four episodes in the can
before leaving for the summer.

Link to TWoP West Wing Forum:
http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showforum=598

Link To Spoilers:
http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?
showtopic=211177&st=1620

I realize that long links often do not work here.  And please give
credit where credit is due when getting information from other sites.

Linda

I would like to thank all of you for joining.  Now, what am I going to have to
do to
get you all to start posting?  Please don't be afraid.  We can all be friends
here.
Would it help if I gave some suggestions for posting?

Should we label our posts?  This is a suggestion and I'm open to all of your
suggestions.  We could do something like this:

SPOILER: This is to post something specific that you have information about.  If
it
is episode specific, you might want to put that in the Suject.

SPECULATION:  This could be anything that you think is going to happen, either
based on spoilers, past episodes, rumors or your Ouija Board.

MEDIA BLURB:  This could be anything from NBCMV or TV Guide or whatever.

QUESTION:  Anything that you want someone to answer.  If episode or character
specific, it would be good to put that in the Subject as to attract those who
might
be able to answer.

PROFILE:  I would be delighted to hear something about those of you posting
here.  We are here because we love spoilers, so we a probably a pretty nosy
bunch.  So anything from your favorite episode or character, to whatever you
would like to share would be nice.  I would also like to know what you would
like
to see happen on the show and what you would hate to see happen.

OT:  Off-topic stuff is OK with me, but please try to keep it related to the
show or
the people involved.  Feel some sympathy for those who are digest readers.

If this is too regimented for you, then just post.  I want this to be fun.

Linda

--- Thanks for inviting me.....should be a fun place to visit.
Labtails

THE WEST WING
THE PROMISE
04-21-2004 9:00PM

(I've tried to correct the word wrap errors, but they don't seem to want to
correct.  Sorry)

MARY MCCORMACK GUEST-STARS IN THE FIRST OF A FOUR EPISODE ARC AND
JOSH FEELS JABBED OVER JOB LOSS AS PRESIDENT HEADS TO DICEY TRADE
SUMMIT; CAST'S RICHARD SCHIFF DIRECTS -- On the eve of the
President's
(Martin Sheen) visit to a controversial trade summit in Brussels,
Josh (Bradley Whitford) feels torn when he learns that free-trader Bartlet will
reverse his position about sacrificing American jobs to foreign lands -- while
C.J. (Allison Janney) takes out her frustrations with a new FCC ruling allowing
multimedia companies increased ownership of TV stations. As the administration
fights to spin the job-loss fallout, Donna (Janel Moloney) tells Josh about her
dissatisfaction with her limited role on his staff. In the midst of it all, Kate
Harper
(guest star, Mary McCormack "K Street," "Private Parts") steps in as the brash
new Deputy National Security Advisor. John Spencer, Richard Schiff (who also
directstheepisode), Dule Hill, Joshua Malina and Lily Tomlin also star.

Thank you, Rhonda.  Luckily, a friend was able to go in and change this for me
while I as at work.

So, I hope everyone will have fun in our new, little sandbox.

Linda

--- In WWSpoilers@yahoogroups.com, Rhonda Dossett <rhonda-d@s...> wrote:
> Linda,
>
> I looked on the group site and it indicates that the archives are only
available to
the moderators - so if the messages aren't delivered to your mail box you can't
read them unless you are a moderator.
>
> Seems like it might be a setting that can be changed once you have access to
the group site.
>
> Rhonda
>
>
> At 08:13 PM 4/12/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >I have had complaints that the messages aren't visible to those of
> >you posting.  According to everything I see, there are 7 messages and
> >none pending.  I'm not moderating them, so I don't know what is
> >happening.
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> >Yahoo Groups are blocked for me at work and I have just broken every
> >rule to get here to see what is going on.
> >
> >Good luck.  I'll be home about 5:15PST to check on things.
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Trying this again, since it's been hours without it showing up - at least as far
as I can tell. <g>

Rhonda

>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:22:07 -0500
>To: WWSpoilers@yahoogroups.com
>From: Rhonda Dossett <rhonda-d@...>
>Subject: Spoilers for Ep 5-21 Memorial Day
>
>
>I got these third-hand from a friend on the Josh/Donna Talk list.  The author
is jacklynann2001 and I don't know any details about how she's getting her
information but it seems as reliable as any. <g>  Maybe she will join this
group. <g>
>
>Rhonda
>
>>--- In JDtalk@yahoogroups.com, jacklynann2001@a... wrote:
>>Hi Everyone!
>>
>>Sorry its taken me so long to get these up.  I had to work late last
>>night and couldn't even look at my computer when I got home.  Anyway, read
below for the latest spoilers...
>>
>>*
>>*
>>
>>We come into the second page of the teaser where its a few hours later
>>the first page.  We're in the Oval Office and the President is about to
>>make a live address so there's camera people, lights and all the necessary
equipment.
>>
>>The President is on the phone talking to Palestinian Chairman Farad.
>>He's got 60 seconds to air.  Apparently Israel launched a missile strike,
>>and the President is urging the Farad to prevent retribution and the President
>>promises to do what he can to get Israel to stop further attacks.
>>
>>After he hangs up, a hair/makeup woman is helping finish getting ready
>>and the President is talking to Kate.  The President wants to talk to the
>>Israeli Prime Minister, who is apparently hard to get a hold of, but the
>>Ambassador, Sarah Galit, is on her way.  The President is very agitated b/c
they haven't called, or communicated in any other way, esp. considering the US
is their closest ally.
>>
>>Toby walks in, followed by CJ, with the President's speech. The President
>>starts reading and asks if the FBI has anything, Kate indicates she
>>was going to check and the President sends her on her.  There's now 30 seconds
to air and the President is unhappy with his remarks.  He starts crossing things
out.  CJ tries to protest b/c the draft is already circulating.  The President
mocks the litany of phrases, asking if its Tolkien.  Toby tells him that he has
to use strong language so that he'll be able to back off a bit later. There's
now 15 seconds left to air and the President is still changing things, saying
that he should've written his statement himself.  CJ quietly tells Toby that
she'll try to put a hold on the draft and leaves.  Toby looks to Leo for support
and Leo says "Mr. President" in only the way Leo can, I'm sure, and the
President says he's ok.  They're counting down the last five seconds and an
anchor cues the President.
>>
>>Two pages later in the teaser we se the FBI team going through the
>>site, an evidence collector is putting every last detail into a log recorder.
>>
>>Cut to Debbie's office in early morning.  The Israeli Ambassador is
>>waiting for the President to finish his address.  The President is talking
about
>>praying for those who are grieving and searching for not only justice
>>but for an end to the violence.  When he's through Charlie sends Ambassador
Galit in. The crew is packing up and they start speaking.  The President is a
bit sarcastic in greeting the Ambassador, thank her for sparing a moment of her
time.  The Ambassador doesn't flinch which pisses the President off even more. 
The President is upset b/c the Israelis are interfering in some way with the US
investigation.  The Ambassador said that it has nothing to do with the US, but
that they were tracking the man for six months (could this man be Goran?).   The
President wants to know if they thought before they acted.  Galit is glad that
someone responsible for many Israeli deaths is dead, the President counters that
it was at the cost of innocent civilians.  They continue to argue about fault
and rational -- the President is going to have a difficult time gaining access
to everything from the Palestinians if Israel keeps firing missiles into Gaza.
Galit says they had little time to make a decision after they received their
intelligence.
>>
>>Cut to Gaza during the day.  The FBI team is still working hard.  There's a
vehicle on its side, which was thrown quite a distance from where its initial
tire tracks are.  There is charring on the back right fender.  The lead agent
gets a call with some news.
>>
>>Cut to the Oval Office.  Kate and FBI Director Arnold are in the outer
>>office and the President excuses himself.
>>
>>A couple of pages later is the beginning of Act One.  Carol is walking
>>down a hallway with a stack of papers, as she goes along she's watching
>>reaction to the President's statement on the monitors.  One commentator is
>>surprised the President didn't mention military action, another commentator is
talking about ending the cycle of violence.  Toby's coming from the other
direction and asks if Carol has what he thinks she has.  Toby takes a copy and
reads gravely, Carol heads on her way.
>>
>>Several scenes later Toby walks into Margaret's office where Will is
>>standing watching a monitor.  The Commentator is ripping into the President,
indicting that he is not acting appropriately.
>>
>>Much later Toby is talking to the President.  Apparently the President is
>>going to be throwing the first ball at a baseball game.  He and Charlie are
>>trying to persuade the President to wear a bullet proof vest.  Charlie
>>says that even the athletic dept. at Notre Dame wants the President to wear
one.
>>
>>Cut to a German-Swedish Restaurant at night.  Josh walks in and is a
>>little lost and freaked out.  He goes to talk to the Maitre D' and after
>>speaking poor German the Maitre D' says he speaks English.  Josh isn't sure he
should even say who he is, and even thinks about leaving the restaurant when the
Maitre D' says Josh's name.  Josh looks around and then says that's who he is
and the Maitre D' takes Josh to his table.  As soon as Josh sits down, the man
who was sitting at his table gets up and leaves.
>>
>>Josh gets pissed, takes out his phone discreetly and calls Kate Harper.
>>
>>Cut to an Elevator in late afternoon.  Charlie, Toby and a miserable
>>President decked out with baseball gear and a vest.  Charlie and Toby
>>seem to be discussing which Presidents have thrown first pitches.  Apparently
Taft did it in 1910.  The President, is none too pleased and hopes they made
fatty practice.  They come out of the elevator and into the hallway in the
residence.
>>
>>A couple of pages later, we see Josh in the restaurant on the phone with
>>Kate.  Kate is trying to reassure Josh that everything's still ok.
>>Josh says that its supposed to be a diplomatic meeting but is feeling a little
more "Nick Danger"-ish.  He wants to know if Kate has a guy in the restaurant
too, just too make sure that he's ok.  Kate says yes and then Josh jokes about
it being one of the patrons -- there's a guy in a toupee there.  Kate laughs at
him when a different guy, Maz sits down at the table.  Josh hangs up with Kate. 
Nervously, Josh says hello.
>>
>>Cut to the President, Charlie and Toby in the Residence.  The
>>President is practicing throwing the ball, in front of a large glass window,
to
>>boot.  He's apparently not doing well, although he does get one pitch in
that's better.  The President wants to know why its not canceled, Toby wonders
why too.  Charlie says he has to do it and Toby agrees - Toby could write a 100
speeches and never come close to getting a response from the people that this
will.   The President is self deprecating, he's very unhappy about doing this.
>>
>>Cut to Josh with Maz.  Maz is saying that Hamas is getting stronger
>>not only b/c of frustration with Israel but b/c they can give the Palestinian
>>people what they need.  The Palestinian Authority is ready to open talks
>>again b/c they want to stop Hamas but the catch is -- they want to do it
without Chairman Farad.  End Act Three.
>>
>>That's all I've got, for now anyway.  Who knows if this'll be like
>>Gaza with more to come everyday for a few days.
>>
>>                          -- Jackie
>
>Rhonda

Rhonda

Hi, WWSpoilers!

I am the lucky 40th member of this fledgling group.  Do I get a prize?

Linda asked me to check the group settings and the archive setting
needed to be tweaked, and that has been done.  Everyone should now be
able to access the group and read the posts.

Looks like this will be a fun and interesting group.

Linda B

Linda,

I looked on the group site and it indicates that the archives are only available
to the moderators - so if the messages aren't delivered to your mail box you
can't read them unless you are a moderator.

Seems like it might be a setting that can be changed once you have access to the
group site.

Rhonda


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>happening.
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>Yahoo Groups are blocked for me at work and I have just broken every
>rule to get here to see what is going on.
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In a message dated 4/12/2004 3:33:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rhonda-d@... writes:


> Leo's looking at the President, surprised and stung.  He leaves, but at the
>
> >door turns around but the President is lost in thought.


Does this spoiler imply that the President and Leo are arguing about
something? And that the President might have said something that hurt Leo?
Please, NO!
I do not want the Bartlet team disagreeing with each other again. No, no, no!
That is where the show sometimes gets off track. The President and staff
working together for the greater good has always been the heart of the show.

loveleomcgarry (Kim)

"You're like a 50's screwball."
                Leo to Jed in "Bartlet for America"


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I have had complaints that the messages aren't visible to those of
you posting.  According to everything I see, there are 7 messages and
none pending.  I'm not moderating them, so I don't know what is
happening.

Yahoo Groups are blocked for me at work and I have just broken every
rule to get here to see what is going on.

Good luck.  I'll be home about 5:15PST to check on things.

Linda

This is the episode coming up - a week from Wednesday.  Again, these spoilers
come to me third-hand from a friend on the Josh/Donna Talk list.  The source of
the spoilers is jacklynann2001.

Rhonda

>Subject: Fwd:  Spoiles for Ep 19 - The Promise
>
>--- In JDtalk@yahoogroups.com, jacklynann2001@a... wrote:
>Ok, I've had some time to sift through everything.  I figured I'd
>start with Ep 19 and then move right on into ep 20.
>
>*
>*
>*
>
>The first thing I've got is CJ and Toby discussing some FCC issues.
>They cut back media ownership limits from 45% to 39.37%... I think its media
ownership b/c they've just been joking about not doing stand up and CJ jokes
that they wouldn't be doing TV either, if she understands things correctly.  At
any rate, Toby wants CJ and Josh to talk to Reuters on the flight to Brussels,
I'm not sure why, but he's got a problem with them.
>
>The next scene has Josh in his office talking to JCN's (a computer
>programming company, like Microsoft) Washington lobbyist, James Cook.
> He asks Josh if he's all ready for Brussels.  Josh wants to talk about India. 
The CWA (a union - I think Communications Workers Association?) says that JCN is
shipping thousands of computer programming jobs there.  Cook says that its
private info.  Apparently India's in on the trade deal they're signing when they
hated many, many things about it.  Cook admits some jobs may go over there. 
Josh is starting to get pissed and says, I'm sure in his very hostile Josh way,
that he hopes it has nothing to do with their negotiations.  Well, of course it
does.  Josh is pissed he didn't know before hand, Cook who obviously wasn't
going to say anything until necessary, probably until they made the layoffs,
talks about it being an internal decision.  They argue whether its about
economics or politics.  Josh is pissed b/c of the ramifications - Unions and
congressmen and the
>GOP on his back.  Republicans are gonna put "Bartlet the job-killer"
>signs on lawns.  Cook talks about saving money, Josh jokes about sending the
CEO to India, Cook says if they don't do this they'll go under -- everyone else
is doing it - Dell, IBM, (the evil, satanic) Microsoft.  They argue some more. 
Josh asks if he told Parsons (head of the CWA) and Cook says no, but that Josh
should feel free when Parsons shows up in his office.  End Act One.
>
>We come back to Josh's office several pages later where Josh walks in
>to find Bill Parsons, President of the CWA, along with two people in their 40s.
There's a champagne bottle on Josh's desk with a Presidential seal on
>it.  He grabs it and hides it under his desk.  Josh explains that he didn't
>know the jobs were being shipped overseas.  Parsons complains that they
supported Bartlet, twice but that they got sold up the Ganges so that they could
help the "soft-money-donating CEOs"    Josh apologizes, asks them not to go
public yet -- they really will be creating jobs and growing the economy. 
Parsons argues about who its good for -- foreign investors?  Josh says they new
they were for free trade when they endorsed them, but Parsons said it was
because they were only supposed to lose old economy jobs like shoe
manufacturing, but that if they retrained they'd get better jobs but those are
being sucked out of the US too.  Josh says they're going to fight for more job
training and other benefits but Parsons rebuts by saying it'll be retraining
people for their third or fourth careers -- what else can they train for? 
Nuclear physics?  Josh makes a joke about buying a house that falls flat.
Parsons insists that even though the economy is growing that jobs aren't b/c of
globalization.  Josh offers pension assistance, wage assistance, whatever they
want.  Steve says that they don't want burial insurance, they want jobs.  Its at
this point that we learn that Steve and Diane work for JCN and "thanks to the
trade deal their jobs are being outsourced to India.  Steve has three kids that
have to go to college and Diane still has school loans from the last time she
retrained.  Parsons says that the admin. made promises five years ago and Steve
and Diane aren't leaving until Josh tells them how they plan to honor it. 
Parsons leaves to go tell the press and congress what's going on.
>
>Act Three begins with Josh sitting in the bullpen at a conference table.  The
press is already reporting the JCN thing.  Will walks up and asks Josh what
>he's doing in the bullpen and Josh says Donna's pissed, Congress has become a
lynch mob and there are two about to be laid off people in his office.  Will
wants to know if the story's true.  Josh indicates it is.  Will asks
>if it'll cause the Republicans to kill the trade deal.  Josh is sarcastic --
the midterms are coming, what does he think.  Josh asks how Will became a
>free-trader.  Will answers that America has a good chunk of the world's wealth
but very little of its customers -- they have no choice.
>
>Then we get we get the tail end of a conversation between CJ and Leo -
>Leo says he'll pay some carpentry bill himself but CJ says no thanks -- it
>was worth every nickel... I'm curious about that.
>
>Last scene of the ep - Steve's going on about wanting a job and doing
>better than his parents, not asking them for money.  Donna comes in and says
that the staff vans are about to leave.  Josh then gets a big quasi-monologue -
Ten years ago he worked for a senate candidate (Hoynes maybe?)  Who wanted
workers to be able to take their health care, pensions, and vacation time with
them from job to job b/c people were gonna work 15 jobs.  They talked him out of
it b/c no one wants to hear that they're gonna work 15 jobs.  Now the idea
doesn't seem so silly.  Josh is honest -- the way Bartlet was honest in Nashua
at the VFW hall about milk, real thing honest - They wanted CWA's votes, they
didn't want to scare them so they didn't tell them the truth. They can't save
their jobs, but they're gonna create more in the long run.  They haven't figured
out the short run yet.  But they're gonna do more to prepare them, they have to.
Diane asks if its a promise.  Josh says "No, but we're gonna try" they cut to
staffers leaving the building with luggage and Josh shaking hands with Steve and
Diane.
>
>Just a note, its pretty apparent that the reason they're going to Brussels is
>to sign the free trade agreement that has caused all this uproar.
>
>And that be all I have for Ep 19.  And boy do my fingers hurt from all
>the typing.  That's why its taken so long to post again.  Whew.
>
>Thoughts?  Questions?  Is this too boring?
>
>While you ponder, I'm off to go work on ep 20, shouldn't be too long.
>
>                          --Jackie

Rhonda

More spoilers that I got third-hand from a friend on the Josh/Donna talk list. 
The poster is jacklynann2001.

Rhonda


>--- In JDtalk@yahoogroups.com, jacklynann2001@a... wrote:
>My fingers may fall off after this post -- so don't be alarmed if you
>don't hear from me until morning, lololol.
>
>Ok, here we go...
>
>The ep keeps jumping between Donna in Israel with Goran the photographer/guide,
the White House where the President, Leo, Josh,
>Toby, CJ and Will are, and Josh on an airplane reading e-mails from Donna.  I
totally love this reading e-mail thing -- you'll see why below.
>
>The first thing I have is with Donna and Goran out somewhere.  Donna says
>she's ready to go and is fumbling with money so Goran pays for her drink. 
Donna thanks him and they cut to a hotel laundry room later on.
>
>Palestinian workers are ... working.  Goran motions for Ashraf to come
>over.  After getting permission from his supervisor he goes over to them.
>Donna is introduced as being with the American government delegation.  Ashraf
says he's not a laundry worker, he's a laborer.  Goran clarifies that he's a
construction worker in Israel.  Ashraf repeats he's not a laundry
>worker.  Donna doesn't understand.  Goran explains that the Israelis always
close the check point after suicide bombings "like the one last week."  Ashraf
can't work to feed his family, so he is forced to work in the laundry room for
little pay.  His supervisor says he's lucky to be there, in Arabic.  Ashraf only
wants to work to feed his family.  The bombers "take food out of [his]
children's mouths."  His supervisor yells in Arabic and Ashraf returns to work.
Donna thanks him ... then we get a Donna vo -- talking about the thousands of
Palestinians who cross the Erez checkpoint so they can go to work.  Cut to Josh
reading Donna's e-mail on a plane.  Donna VO again, talking about how they're
just trying to take care of their families...  Josh takes it in.
>
>A few pages later, Leo and the President are talking.  The President has
>asked Fitz to go somewhere - Israel maybe?  Leo says he can't, Pres
>says he knows but he asked anyway.  Leo nods and we hear Donna VO talking about
needing a military escort to get into Israeli settlements.  We then see an
Israeli armored transport vehicle drive up what looks like an ordinary suburban
street.  Donna VO talks about mortar shells landing there over the last few
years.  Donna and Goran get out.  They enter the house of Yoah and Eilat Itzhaki
a few minutes later.  Donna VO talks about meeting a settler family.
>
>Donna asks if its frightening living in the settlement, Eliat says that God
>wants them there.  Yoav adds that they have a divine moral obligation
>to live there.  Donna says that people in Israel talk about giving up the Gaza
>settlements.  When Eliat says he doesn't understand, Donna says the
>settlements are impossible to defend, Yoav says that they're a line of defense.
Eliat adds that if they give into the Arabs on the this they'll eventually all
end up in Tel Aviv and then the Arabs will take that too.  Then treading
lightly, Donna asks about their children, who have been injured.  Apparently
they're school bus was attacked -- out of the 7 children, the 8 year old son is
missing a foot, the 10 year old daughter both legs and the 12 year old is
missing one leg.  Donna asks, ala Sagittarius, if its scary raising children
there. Eliat says there's fear but they must over come it.  Yoav says that now
there is only the occasional nightmare.  She says its more safe there than in
Jerusalem.  Eliat adds that in Jerusalem when you see an Arab you don't know but
in Gaza if you see one you know so you shoot him.  Donna takes it all in.
>
>Cut to Josh reading Donna's e-mail on airplane.  Josh is interrupted by a
>stewardess offering him a meal.
>
>Cut to the spoiler from earlier.  I'll C&P for fun, b/c this is just such an
>awesome spoiler.  They're in Josh's bullpen just after a call from Andy.  Josh
>is on the phone and there's clips of an attack on all the monitors...
>
>Josh:  Moss, Donnatella Moss.  Tall, blonde..... Do you have any idea
>of her condition, where she was taken?
>
>Josh is getting no help on the phone and gets hung up on.  He then
>looks at his pad, dials a long phone number, presumably for an international
>call and when its answered he starts again, stating who he is and where he's
from.
>
>In the next scene, which is several pages later Will, Toby, the President and
>Josh are talking about what to do for a response.  Toby says he doesn't know. 
People smarter than him have been confounded by this for over 50
>years.  All he feels when he thinks about it is hopelessness and despair. 
Toby's words hang in the air and Josh regards him.
>
>Cut to Palestinian home during the day.  Donna and Goran are talking
>to Iyad Bustami while his 3 year old son and 1 year old daughter are playing
>on the floor.  Iyad's wife was the suicide bomber who blew herself up at the
>check point "last week" -- the one who screwed Ashraf's kids.  Donna's is
>shocked.  She says she's sorry, as only Donna can.  Iyad didn't know what his
wife was up to.  Donna asks if the kids are his and his wife's, after he
confirms, Donna just can't understand why she would leave them.  Iyad is
bewildered by that.  Goran explains that families of suicide bombers are
showered with presents.  Candy is often handed out at the funerals.  He points
to the kids on the floor and the candies all around them.  His wife left a
video.  After talking to Iyad in Arabic, Iyad pops the tape in.  We see a 22
year old woman in combat fatigues with a rifle and a rocket propelled grenade
launcher. Goran translates that while she loved her children she wanted to be a
martyr more.  She'd dreamed about doing exactly what she did.  Donna regards the
children playing among the candies.
>
>Cuts to a continuation of the Oval Office scene from before.  The
>President asks about their response, Will says retaliation, CJ says that
>responding will make them a combatant.
>
>A few pages after this is where the spoilers from yesterday about Yossi at the
checkpoint come in.
>
>And that's all I've got, for now anyway.  I am SOOOO excited about this
>episode.  Donna's been given some great material -- definite Emmy ep
>for her.
>
>I can't wait to hear what everyone thinks.
>
>                        -- Jackie
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>--- End forwarded message ---

Rhonda

Again, I got this third-hand from a friend on the Josh/Donna Talk group.  This
is from a poster named jacklynann2001.

Rhonda


>--- In JDtalk@yahoogroups.com, jacklynann2001@a... wrote:
>*
>I don't have too much stuff, just five pages, but I trust that you
>will enjoy these...
>
>We come part way into Act One..
>
>The President and Leo are talking about what to do with the situation
>in Gaza and with the Palestinians and Israelis.  The country wants action not
to bring Farad back to the table.  The President's not saying that its going to
be all wine and roses but they have to deal with what they've got.  He'll
>launch the missile himself if Secretary Hutchinson can find him a way to
>strike without killing civilians.
>
>Cut to Donna's Hospital Room in Germany, Early Afternoon.
>
>Its a small room.  Josh is sleeping in a chair, stubble growing wearing the
same clothes from the plane with his suitcase next to him.  Donna's got tubes
>all over her -- a central line in her neck and another tube in her chest.  She
>wakens and Nurse Parnes is reading the machines...
>
>The nurse says hello when she notices she's awake and Donna tells her
>that her mouth is dry.  Josh wakes up then and sees the nurse.  The nurse
>tells Donna she's going to get her water.  When the nurse leaves Josh sees that
Donna is awake for the first time.  He gets up and leans over her bed.  After he
says hello, Donna looks up at him.  Donna wants to know what happened to him. 
Josh is surprised.  Donna says he needs to shave.  He tries to tell Donna that
he didn't really have time but she cuts him off, she wants to know where she is.
After a moment, Josh says with difficulty that she's in Germany.  Donna doesn't
think it looks like Germany.  Josh tries to tell her that she's in a military
hospital but the nurse comes back in with Donna's water. When she gives it to
her Donna tells Josh that the nurse isn't German.  The nurse agrees.  Josh tries
to ask the nurse a question but she's helping Donna with her Patient Control
Analgesic, telling her that when it hurts all she has to do is click the button
and the morphine'll start coming.  Donna tells the nurse that Josh needs to
shave.  The nurse looks at Josh, as if seeing him for the first time and agrees.
>
>The nurse unscrews the IV from the central line and has a large syringe in
>her hand.  Josh looks nervous. The nurse tells him that she's just drawing
>blood, but if he needs to leave he can.  Josh says he'll be ok, but as soon as
the nurse starts he gets queasy and says he'll be right back.
>
>Cut to Josh's Office at the same time, its morning.  Toby's going through
>Josh's shelves.  Carol comes in and wants to know if Toby found the
>notes on something from/about the Speaker but Toby cuts her off with a glare.
She's goes out to check Donna's files.  Toby's cell rings and its Josh.
>
>Cut to German Hospital Corridor
>
>Josh is walking down the hall, dodging nurses and patients.  He tells Toby
>that she's about the same, although she's awake.  Josh asks how things
>are in DC.  Toby tells him that other than the all of Congress "parading into
>the Oval" wanting retribution all is quiet.
>
>Many, many, many pages in Act Four...
>
>Leo's looking at the President, surprised and stung.  He leaves, but at the
>door turns around but the President is lost in thought.  Right as he walks out
>Charlie walks in to tell him that Marine one is ready to head to Baltimore.
>The President tells Charlie he needs a minute. Now that he's alone, he looks at
the baseball in his hand and then puts it down gently.  He looks around the
>room with "all its weight and burden and history". This is the office of the
>President of the United States.
>
>Scene 47 is OMITTED ... interesting...
>
>Cut to the Hospital Corridor, Josh is walking down the hall with a spring in
>his step with a bouquet of roses.  He walks into Donna's room but she's gone
and there's blood on the bed and the cords from the machine are
>hanging loosely from them.  Josh freezes for a moment and ten turns back nearly
knocking a nurse over in the process.  He asks where Donna is but the nurse is
confused so Josh pushes past her and runs to the nurses station.  Nurse Parnes
is sitting behind the desk.  Josh asks where Donna is, the nurse says "excuse
me?" and Josh says that Donna's not in her room.  The nurse wants to know if
Josh is a relative and he says that he works for the President of the United
States and that he has the diplomatic rank of a three star general and demands
to know where Donna is.
>
>Cut to Hospital Operating Room.  Josh runs up to the closed doors and is
>about to open them when he's stopped by a doctor who says that Josh
>can't go in there.  Josh wants to know what happened.  The Doctor tells him
that there was a complication, she developed a pulmonary embolism.  As the
doctor is trying to explain what a pulmonary embolism is Josh cuts him off,
stating that its a blood clot.
>
>The doctor goes into the operating room and Josh catches a glimpse of
>just a piece of her through all the doctors working on her.  The shuts, she's
>gone and Josh is left alone, stunned and scared.
>
>Cut to CJ's office at the same time.  She's doing paperwork and looks
>up at her TV, saying "Oh my god" and picks up the phone to call Toby.
>
>And that my friends, is all I've got.  There's more after this, though
>I'm not sure how much more.  I may be able to post more or I may not. But
>you'll be the first people I tell when I get more spoilers.
>
>                         -- Jackie

I got these third-hand from a friend on the Josh/Donna Talk list.  The author is
jacklynann2001 and I don't know any details about how she's getting her
information but it seems as reliable as any. <g>  Maybe she will join this
group. <g>

Rhonda

>--- In JDtalk@yahoogroups.com, jacklynann2001@a... wrote:
>Hi Everyone!
>
>Sorry its taken me so long to get these up.  I had to work late last
>night and couldn't even look at my computer when I got home.  Anyway, read
below for the latest spoilers...
>
>*
>*
>
>We come into the second page of the teaser where its a few hours later
>the first page.  We're in the Oval Office and the President is about to
>make a live address so there's camera people, lights and all the necessary
equipment.
>
>The President is on the phone talking to Palestinian Chairman Farad.
>He's got 60 seconds to air.  Apparently Israel launched a missile strike,
>and the President is urging the Farad to prevent retribution and the President
>promises to do what he can to get Israel to stop further attacks.
>
>After he hangs up, a hair/makeup woman is helping finish getting ready
>and the President is talking to Kate.  The President wants to talk to the
>Israeli Prime Minister, who is apparently hard to get a hold of, but the
>Ambassador, Sarah Galit, is on her way.  The President is very agitated b/c
they haven't called, or communicated in any other way, esp. considering the US
is their closest ally.
>
>Toby walks in, followed by CJ, with the President's speech. The President
>starts reading and asks if the FBI has anything, Kate indicates she
>was going to check and the President sends her on her.  There's now 30 seconds
to air and the President is unhappy with his remarks.  He starts crossing things
out.  CJ tries to protest b/c the draft is already circulating.  The President
mocks the litany of phrases, asking if its Tolkien.  Toby tells him that he has
to use strong language so that he'll be able to back off a bit later. There's
now 15 seconds left to air and the President is still changing things, saying
that he should've written his statement himself.  CJ quietly tells Toby that
she'll try to put a hold on the draft and leaves.  Toby looks to Leo for support
and Leo says "Mr. President" in only the way Leo can, I'm sure, and the
President says he's ok.  They're counting down the last five seconds and an
anchor cues the President.
>
>Two pages later in the teaser we se the FBI team going through the
>site, an evidence collector is putting every last detail into a log recorder.
>
>Cut to Debbie's office in early morning.  The Israeli Ambassador is
>waiting for the President to finish his address.  The President is talking
about
>praying for those who are grieving and searching for not only justice
>but for an end to the violence.  When he's through Charlie sends Ambassador
Galit in. The crew is packing up and they start speaking.  The President is a
bit sarcastic in greeting the Ambassador, thank her for sparing a moment of her
time.  The Ambassador doesn't flinch which pisses the President off even more. 
The President is upset b/c the Israelis are interfering in some way with the US
investigation.  The Ambassador said that it has nothing to do with the US, but
that they were tracking the man for six months (could this man be Goran?).   The
President wants to know if they thought before they acted.  Galit is glad that
someone responsible for many Israeli deaths is dead, the President counters that
it was at the cost of innocent civilians.  They continue to argue about fault
and rational -- the President is going to have a difficult time gaining access
to everything from the Palestinians if Israel keeps firing missiles into Gaza.
Galit says they had little time to make a decision after they received their
intelligence.
>
>Cut to Gaza during the day.  The FBI team is still working hard.  There's a
vehicle on its side, which was thrown quite a distance from where its initial
tire tracks are.  There is charring on the back right fender.  The lead agent
gets a call with some news.
>
>Cut to the Oval Office.  Kate and FBI Director Arnold are in the outer
>office and the President excuses himself.
>
>A couple of pages later is the beginning of Act One.  Carol is walking
>down a hallway with a stack of papers, as she goes along she's watching
>reaction to the President's statement on the monitors.  One commentator is
>surprised the President didn't mention military action, another commentator is
talking about ending the cycle of violence.  Toby's coming from the other
direction and asks if Carol has what he thinks she has.  Toby takes a copy and
reads gravely, Carol heads on her way.
>
>Several scenes later Toby walks into Margaret's office where Will is
>standing watching a monitor.  The Commentator is ripping into the President,
indicting that he is not acting appropriately.
>
>Much later Toby is talking to the President.  Apparently the President is
>going to be throwing the first ball at a baseball game.  He and Charlie are
>trying to persuade the President to wear a bullet proof vest.  Charlie
>says that even the athletic dept. at Notre Dame wants the President to wear
one.
>
>Cut to a German-Swedish Restaurant at night.  Josh walks in and is a
>little lost and freaked out.  He goes to talk to the Maitre D' and after
>speaking poor German the Maitre D' says he speaks English.  Josh isn't sure he
should even say who he is, and even thinks about leaving the restaurant when the
Maitre D' says Josh's name.  Josh looks around and then says that's who he is
and the Maitre D' takes Josh to his table.  As soon as Josh sits down, the man
who was sitting at his table gets up and leaves.
>
>Josh gets pissed, takes out his phone discreetly and calls Kate Harper.
>
>Cut to an Elevator in late afternoon.  Charlie, Toby and a miserable
>President decked out with baseball gear and a vest.  Charlie and Toby
>seem to be discussing which Presidents have thrown first pitches.  Apparently
Taft did it in 1910.  The President, is none too pleased and hopes they made
fatty practice.  They come out of the elevator and into the hallway in the
residence.
>
>A couple of pages later, we see Josh in the restaurant on the phone with
>Kate.  Kate is trying to reassure Josh that everything's still ok.
>Josh says that its supposed to be a diplomatic meeting but is feeling a little
more "Nick Danger"-ish.  He wants to know if Kate has a guy in the restaurant
too, just too make sure that he's ok.  Kate says yes and then Josh jokes about
it being one of the patrons -- there's a guy in a toupee there.  Kate laughs at
him when a different guy, Maz sits down at the table.  Josh hangs up with Kate. 
Nervously, Josh says hello.
>
>Cut to the President, Charlie and Toby in the Residence.  The
>President is practicing throwing the ball, in front of a large glass window, to
>boot.  He's apparently not doing well, although he does get one pitch in that's
better.  The President wants to know why its not canceled, Toby wonders why too.
Charlie says he has to do it and Toby agrees - Toby could write a 100 speeches
and never come close to getting a response from the people that this will.   The
President is self deprecating, he's very unhappy about doing this.
>
>Cut to Josh with Maz.  Maz is saying that Hamas is getting stronger
>not only b/c of frustration with Israel but b/c they can give the Palestinian
>people what they need.  The Palestinian Authority is ready to open talks
>again b/c they want to stop Hamas but the catch is -- they want to do it
without Chairman Farad.  End Act Three.
>
>That's all I've got, for now anyway.  Who knows if this'll be like
>Gaza with more to come everyday for a few days.
>
>                          -- Jackie

Rhonda

From NBC:
On the eve of the President's (Martin Sheen) visit to a controversial trade
summit in Brussels, Josh (Bradley Whitford) feels torn when he learns that
free-trader Bartlet will reverse his position about sacrificing American
jobs to foreign lands -- while C.J. (Allison Janney) takes out her
frustrations with a new FCC ruling allowing multimedia companies increased
ownership of TV stations. As the administration fights to spin the job-loss
fallout, Donna (Janel Moloney) tells Josh about her dissatisfaction with her
limited role on his staff. In the midst of it all, Kate Harper (Mary
McCormack) steps in as the brash new Deputy National Security Advisor.



Rhonda

Somebody has to kick this off.  Does anyone out there know anything?
If so - it's time to share.

The time has come for this group.  Thoughts for the end of Season 5 and the
future of the show are running rampant.  Bring it on.

Just be respectful of each other.  I don't want to see any attacks. It woud be
nice
if you have actual spoilers that can be backed up, please label as such.  If you
are
speculating on these spoilers and where they might lead, but don't have anything
to back that up, it would be nice if you labelled as such.

But I want this to be fun.

I just don't want to see Jed losing an arm in a helicopter incident.

Linda