From: John W <ipilot66@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 2:17 PM

 

I better go back to ipilot-uncensored before I get my fingers spanked---j --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:14 AM    A loafer , by any other name , is still a loafer . . . I am quoting an ancient Chinese Philosopher Wun Hung Lo . . . Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: John W To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   But . . . I Are A Loafer!!!  And Proud Of It!!-----besides fisherman takes more work to type. I Are A Lazy Loafer!!---j --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. . com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:05 AM    It's a matter of status John , I can hold my head up high and say " I are a Fisherman" . . . (and a Pile It) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: John W To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   But . . . If they call me a fisherman, they ask me to do things . . . if they call me a loafer--they know I wouldn't do it anyway, so why ask??? Rather be called a loafer, cause opinions don't matter to me, and then I have more time to "Nap!" ---j --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:22 PM    John , if I were to lean back against a tree , pull my hat down over my eyes  and take a snooze , the whole world would call me a good for nothing loafer. Now take me the tree and put them down next to a small stream and let me take a nap , the whole world would call me a fisherman . BUT , I'd still be taking a nap . I'd rather be called a fisherman than a loafer . . . Bill Kraemer ----- Original Message ----- From: John W To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   We both fish the same: No Bait . . . who wants to bother wish fish ZZZzzzz---j --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. . com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:28 AM    Wes , I'm tired after all that ..... . . I'm going back to my fishin pole and take a nap . . . At least there everybody thinks I'm a fisherman and not a loafer . . . ZZZZzzzzz  Bill Kraemer ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   OOOoooooKKK guys                                   I know ya'll are fishing!! I'm not getting into that.. But,,I know it looks homely,,But, the beauty is in the effort to make it. Lots of complaints,, but no one I know of has ever tried to make their own. It is easy to sit in that lazy boy and bounce remarks off the walls. But to really get out and DO it,,,that's hard..Sure, lots SAY they can do it,,but , GO and DO it. That!! that is effort and from that comes great understanding . A thing you don't get in a Lazy Boy chair.         I made an assesment of the power VS the cooling fins,, and the engine does not have enough fins to cool itself at max power with the exhaust port opened up to the size of a 277 rotax. The piston alone is much bigger than a 277 rotax. If I were to repour the mold I would not do it. fins need to be added,,like twice as much.  the shaking can be subdude some and the exhaust can be hushed with a muffler. I had all this. I also turned a 44x17 prop that gave me more rpm's. all of you are right.. I have a small machine shop with several lathes and I  have cut out the crankshaft,machined it down, pressed in my own rod and crank pin made of heat treated 4140.          it's ugly,shakes, spues gas and oil all ovwer you,wares your pins and holes,gives marginal performance as is and the point setup sucks and the noise is harmfull to your health..but BOY what an engine to fly behind..like flying back in the twenties.. I felt like Curtiss everytime I went up..      yes I do have several Chotia engines,,and yes I have an OLD "B" model I built from plans back in 1978,,,I think..     any hows,,yous boys needs ta tak anutter look see at wat flin  tis about.Bare bones flyin!! Watchout doe,,yu's mite get hooked...                                                                                           Cajun wes   --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:11 PM    Wes,   Do you still have your weedhopper with a Chotia Engine? Were you able to make a better bracket or find a better method to mount the flywheel?   The weedeater flywheel is exactly the thing I was thinking about. I do small engine repair on the side periodically (I put an ad on craigslist). Lawnmower, weed eater, sno-blower, etc... type engines have the most simple ignition system that is very fool proof.   Any pictures?   -jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp..... . . . whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas GIF89aÅ’ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4659 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:14 AM

 



A loafer , by any other name , is still a loafer . . . I am quoting an ancient Chinese Philosopher Wun Hung Lo . . .

Bill

----- Original Message -----

From: John W

To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:31 AM

Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine

 

But . . . I Are A Loafer!!!  And Proud Of It!!-----besides fisherman takes more work to type. I Are A Lazy Loafer!!---j --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups.. com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:05 AM    It's a matter of status John , I can hold my head up high and say " I are a Fisherman" . . . (and a Pile It) Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: John W To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   But . . . If they call me a fisherman, they ask me to do things . . . if they call me a loafer--they know I wouldn't do it anyway, so why ask??? Rather be called a loafer, cause opinions don't matter to me, and then I have more time to "Nap!" ---j --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:22 PM    John , if I were to lean back against a tree , pull my hat down over my eyes  and take a snooze , the whole world would call me a good for nothing loafer. Now take me the tree and put them down next to a small stream and let me take a nap , the whole world would call me a fisherman . BUT , I'd still be taking a nap . I'd rather be called a fisherman than a loafer . . . Bill Kraemer ----- Original Message ----- From: John W To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   We both fish the same: No Bait . . . who wants to bother wish fish ZZZzzzz---j --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. . com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:28 AM    Wes , I'm tired after all that ..... . . I'm going back to my fishin pole and take a nap . . . At least there everybody thinks I'm a fisherman and not a loafer . . . ZZZZzzzzz  Bill Kraemer ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   OOOoooooKKK guys                                   I know ya'll are fishing!! I'm not getting into that.. But,,I know it looks homely,,But, the beauty is in the effort to make it. Lots of complaints,, but no one I know of has ever tried to make their own. It is easy to sit in that lazy boy and bounce remarks off the walls. But to really get out and DO it,,,that's hard..Sure, lots SAY they can do it,,but , GO and DO it. That!! that is effort and from that comes great understanding . A thing you don't get in a Lazy Boy chair.         I made an assesment of the power VS the cooling fins,, and the engine does not have enough fins to cool itself at max power with the exhaust port opened up to the size of a 277 rotax. The piston alone is much bigger than a 277 rotax. If I were to repour the mold I would not do it. fins need to be added,,like twice as much.  the shaking can be subdude some and the exhaust can be hushed with a muffler. I had all this. I also turned a 44x17 prop that gave me more rpm's. all of you are right.. I have a small machine shop with several lathes and I  have cut out the crankshaft,machined it down, pressed in my own rod and crank pin made of heat treated 4140.          it's ugly,shakes, spues gas and oil all ovwer you,wares your pins and holes,gives marginal performance as is and the point setup sucks and the noise is harmfull to your health..but BOY what an engine to fly behind..like flying back in the twenties.. I felt like Curtiss everytime I went up..      yes I do have several Chotia engines,,and yes I have an OLD "B" model I built from plans back in 1978,,,I think..     any hows,,yous boys needs ta tak anutter look see at wat flin  tis about.Bare bones flyin!! Watchout doe,,yu's mite get hooked...                                                                                           Cajun wes   --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:11 PM    Wes,   Do you still have your weedhopper with a Chotia Engine? Were you able to make a better bracket or find a better method to mount the flywheel?   The weedeater flywheel is exactly the thing I was thinking about. I do small engine repair on the side periodically (I put an ad on craigslist). Lawnmower, weed eater, sno-blower, etc... type engines have the most simple ignition system that is very fool proof.   Any pictures?   -jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp...... . . whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas GIF89aÅ’ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4659 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

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From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:05 AM

 



It's a matter of status John , I can hold my head up high and say " I are a Fisherman" . . . (and a Pile It) Bill

----- Original Message -----

From: John W

To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:11 PM

Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine

 

But . . . If they call me a fisherman, they ask me to do things . . . if they call me a loafer--they know I wouldn't do it anyway, so why ask??? Rather be called a loafer, cause opinions don't matter to me, and then I have more time to "Nap!" ---j --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:22 PM    John , if I were to lean back against a tree , pull my hat down over my eyes  and take a snooze , the whole world would call me a good for nothing loafer. Now take me the tree and put them down next to a small stream and let me take a nap , the whole world would call me a fisherman . BUT , I'd still be taking a nap . I'd rather be called a fisherman than a loafer . . . Bill Kraemer ----- Original Message ----- From: John W To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   We both fish the same: No Bait . . . who wants to bother wish fish ZZZzzzz---j --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. . com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:28 AM    Wes , I'm tired after all that .... . . I'm going back to my fishin pole and take a nap . . . At least there everybody thinks I'm a fisherman and not a loafer . . . ZZZZzzzzz  Bill Kraemer ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   OOOoooooKKK guys                                   I know ya'll are fishing!! I'm not getting into that.. But,,I know it looks homely,,But, the beauty is in the effort to make it. Lots of complaints,, but no one I know of has ever tried to make their own. It is easy to sit in that lazy boy and bounce remarks off the walls. But to really get out and DO it,,,that's hard..Sure, lots SAY they can do it,,but , GO and DO it. That!! that is effort and from that comes great understanding . A thing you don't get in a Lazy Boy chair.         I made an assesment of the power VS the cooling fins,, and the engine does not have enough fins to cool itself at max power with the exhaust port opened up to the size of a 277 rotax. The piston alone is much bigger than a 277 rotax. If I were to repour the mold I would not do it. fins need to be added,,like twice as much.  the shaking can be subdude some and the exhaust can be hushed with a muffler. I had all this. I also turned a 44x17 prop that gave me more rpm's. all of you are right.. I have a small machine shop with several lathes and I  have cut out the crankshaft,machined it down, pressed in my own rod and crank pin made of heat treated 4140.          it's ugly,shakes, spues gas and oil all ovwer you,wares your pins and holes,gives marginal performance as is and the point setup sucks and the noise is harmfull to your health..but BOY what an engine to fly behind..like flying back in the twenties.. I felt like Curtiss everytime I went up..      yes I do have several Chotia engines,,and yes I have an OLD "B" model I built from plans back in 1978,,,I think..     any hows,,yous boys needs ta tak anutter look see at wat flin  tis about.Bare bones flyin!! Watchout doe,,yu's mite get hooked...                                                                                           Cajun wes   --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:11 PM    Wes,   Do you still have your weedhopper with a Chotia Engine? Were you able to make a better bracket or find a better method to mount the flywheel?   The weedeater flywheel is exactly the thing I was thinking about. I do small engine repair on the side periodically (I put an ad on craigslist). Lawnmower, weed eater, sno-blower, etc... type engines have the most simple ignition system that is very fool proof.   Any pictures?   -jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp...... . whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas GIF89aÅ’ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

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From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 1:22 PM

 



John , if I were to lean back against a tree , pull my hat down over my eyes  and take a snooze , the whole world would call me a good for nothing loafer. Now take me the tree and put them down next to a small stream and let me take a nap , the whole world would call me a fisherman . BUT , I'd still be taking a nap . I'd rather be called a fisherman than a loafer . . . Bill Kraemer

----- Original Message -----

From: John W

To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine

 

We both fish the same: No Bait . . . who wants to bother wish fish ZZZzzzz---j --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups.. com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:28 AM    Wes , I'm tired after all that ... . . I'm going back to my fishin pole and take a nap . . . At least there everybody thinks I'm a fisherman and not a loafer . . . ZZZZzzzzz  Bill Kraemer ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   OOOoooooKKK guys                                   I know ya'll are fishing!! I'm not getting into that.. But,,I know it looks homely,,But, the beauty is in the effort to make it. Lots of complaints,, but no one I know of has ever tried to make their own. It is easy to sit in that lazy boy and bounce remarks off the walls. But to really get out and DO it,,,that's hard..Sure, lots SAY they can do it,,but , GO and DO it. That!! that is effort and from that comes great understanding . A thing you don't get in a Lazy Boy chair.         I made an assesment of the power VS the cooling fins,, and the engine does not have enough fins to cool itself at max power with the exhaust port opened up to the size of a 277 rotax. The piston alone is much bigger than a 277 rotax. If I were to repour the mold I would not do it. fins need to be added,,like twice as much.  the shaking can be subdude some and the exhaust can be hushed with a muffler. I had all this. I also turned a 44x17 prop that gave me more rpm's. all of you are right.. I have a small machine shop with several lathes and I  have cut out the crankshaft,machined it down, pressed in my own rod and crank pin made of heat treated 4140.          it's ugly,shakes, spues gas and oil all ovwer you,wares your pins and holes,gives marginal performance as is and the point setup sucks and the noise is harmfull to your health..but BOY what an engine to fly behind..like flying back in the twenties.. I felt like Curtiss everytime I went up..      yes I do have several Chotia engines,,and yes I have an OLD "B" model I built from plans back in 1978,,,I think..     any hows,,yous boys needs ta tak anutter look see at wat flin  tis about.Bare bones flyin!! Watchout doe,,yu's mite get hooked...                                                                                           Cajun wes   --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:11 PM    Wes,   Do you still have your weedhopper with a Chotia Engine? Were you able to make a better bracket or find a better method to mount the flywheel?   The weedeater flywheel is exactly the thing I was thinking about. I do small engine repair on the side periodically (I put an ad on craigslist). Lawnmower, weed eater, sno-blower, etc... type engines have the most simple ignition system that is very fool proof.   Any pictures?   -jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp...... whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas GIF89aÅ’ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

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From: wesley marceaux <wesleymarceaux@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:08 PM

 

OOOoooooKKK guys                                   I know ya'll are fishing!! I'm not getting into that.. But,,I know it looks homely,,But, the beauty is in the effort to make it. Lots of complaints,, but no one I know of has ever tried to make their own. It is easy to sit in that lazy boy and bounce remarks off the walls. But to really get out and DO it,,,that's hard..Sure, lots SAY they can do it,,but , GO and DO it. That!! that is effort and from that comes great understanding . A thing you don't get in a Lazy Boy chair.         I made an assesment of the power VS the cooling fins,, and the engine does not have enough fins to cool itself at max power with the exhaust port opened up to the size of a 277 rotax. The piston alone is much bigger than a 277 rotax. If I were to repour the mold I would not do it. fins need to be added,,like twice as much.  the shaking can be subdude some and the exhaust can be hushed with a muffler. I had all this. I also turned a 44x17 prop that gave me more rpm's. all of you are right.. I have a small machine shop with several lathes and I  have cut out the crankshaft,machined it down, pressed in my own rod and crank pin made of heat treated 4140.          it's ugly,shakes, spues gas and oil all ovwer you,wares your pins and holes,gives marginal performance as is and the point setup sucks and the noise is harmfull to your health..but BOY what an engine to fly behind..like flying back in the twenties.. I felt like Curtiss everytime I went up..      yes I do have several Chotia engines,,and yes I have an OLD "B" model I built from plans back in 1978,,,I think..     any hows,,yous boys needs ta tak anutter look see at wat flin  tis about.Bare bones flyin!! Watchout doe,,yu's mite get hooked...                                                                                           Cajun wes   --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:11 PM    Wes,   Do you still have your weedhopper with a Chotia Engine? Were you able to make a better bracket or find a better method to mount the flywheel?   The weedeater flywheel is exactly the thing I was thinking about. I do small engine repair on the side periodically (I put an ad on craigslist). Lawnmower, weed eater, sno-blower, etc... type engines have the most simple ignition system that is very fool proof.   Any pictures?   -jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp....whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas GIF89aÅ’

From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 4:22 PM

 



John , if I were to lean back against a tree , pull my hat down over my eyes  and take a snooze , the whole world would call me a good for nothing loafer. Now take me the tree and put them down next to a small stream and let me take a nap , the whole world would call me a fisherman . BUT , I'd still be taking a nap . I'd rather be called a fisherman than a loafer . . . Bill Kraemer

----- Original Message -----

From: John W

To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine

 

We both fish the same: No Bait . . . who wants to bother wish fish ZZZzzzz---j --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> wrote: From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@bellsouth. net> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:28 AM    Wes , I'm tired after all that .. . . I'm going back to my fishin pole and take a nap . . . At least there everybody thinks I'm a fisherman and not a loafer . . . ZZZZzzzzz  Bill Kraemer ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine   OOOoooooKKK guys                                   I know ya'll are fishing!! I'm not getting into that.. But,,I know it looks homely,,But, the beauty is in the effort to make it. Lots of complaints,, but no one I know of has ever tried to make their own. It is easy to sit in that lazy boy and bounce remarks off the walls. But to really get out and DO it,,,that's hard..Sure, lots SAY they can do it,,but , GO and DO it. That!! that is effort and from that comes great understanding . A thing you don't get in a Lazy Boy chair.         I made an assesment of the power VS the cooling fins,, and the engine does not have enough fins to cool itself at max power with the exhaust port opened up to the size of a 277 rotax. The piston alone is much bigger than a 277 rotax. If I were to repour the mold I would not do it. fins need to be added,,like twice as much.  the shaking can be subdude some and the exhaust can be hushed with a muffler. I had all this. I also turned a 44x17 prop that gave me more rpm's. all of you are right.. I have a small machine shop with several lathes and I  have cut out the crankshaft,machined it down, pressed in my own rod and crank pin made of heat treated 4140.          it's ugly,shakes, spues gas and oil all ovwer you,wares your pins and holes,gives marginal performance as is and the point setup sucks and the noise is harmfull to your health..but BOY what an engine to fly behind..like flying back in the twenties.. I felt like Curtiss everytime I went up..      yes I do have several Chotia engines,,and yes I have an OLD "B" model I built from plans back in 1978,,,I think..     any hows,,yous boys needs ta tak anutter look see at wat flin  tis about.Bare bones flyin!! Watchout doe,,yu's mite get hooked...                                                                                           Cajun wes   --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:11 PM    Wes,   Do you still have your weedhopper with a Chotia Engine? Were you able to make a better bracket or find a better method to mount the flywheel?   The weedeater flywheel is exactly the thing I was thinking about. I do small engine repair on the side periodically (I put an ad on craigslist). Lawnmower, weed eater, sno-blower, etc... type engines have the most simple ignition system that is very fool proof.   Any pictures?   -jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp..... whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas GIF89aÅ’ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com

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From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:28 AM

 



Wes , I'm tired after all that .. . . I'm going back to my fishin pole and take a nap . . . At least there everybody thinks I'm a fisherman and not a loafer . . . ZZZZzzzzz  Bill Kraemer

----- Original Message -----

From: wesley marceaux

To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine

 

OOOoooooKKK guys                                   I know ya'll are fishing!! I'm not getting into that.. But,,I know it looks homely,,But, the beauty is in the effort to make it. Lots of complaints,, but no one I know of has ever tried to make their own. It is easy to sit in that lazy boy and bounce remarks off the walls. But to really get out and DO it,,,that's hard..Sure, lots SAY they can do it,,but , GO and DO it. That!! that is effort and from that comes great understanding . A thing you don't get in a Lazy Boy chair.         I made an assesment of the power VS the cooling fins,, and the engine does not have enough fins to cool itself at max power with the exhaust port opened up to the size of a 277 rotax. The piston alone is much bigger than a 277 rotax. If I were to repour the mold I would not do it. fins need to be added,,like twice as much.  the shaking can be subdude some and the exhaust can be hushed with a muffler. I had all this. I also turned a 44x17 prop that gave me more rpm's. all of you are right.. I have a small machine shop with several lathes and I  have cut out the crankshaft,machined it down, pressed in my own rod and crank pin made of heat treated 4140.          it's ugly,shakes, spues gas and oil all ovwer you,wares your pins and holes,gives marginal performance as is and the point setup sucks and the noise is harmfull to your health..but BOY what an engine to fly behind..like flying back in the twenties.. I felt like Curtiss everytime I went up..      yes I do have several Chotia engines,,and yes I have an OLD "B" model I built from plans back in 1978,,,I think..     any hows,,yous boys needs ta tak anutter look see at wat flin  tis about.Bare bones flyin!! Watchout doe,,yu's mite get hooked...                                                                                           Cajun wes   --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:11 PM    Wes,   Do you still have your weedhopper with a Chotia Engine? Were you able to make a better bracket or find a better method to mount the flywheel?   The weedeater flywheel is exactly the thing I was thinking about. I do small engine repair on the side periodically (I put an ad on craigslist). Lawnmower, weed eater, sno-blower, etc... type engines have the most simple ignition system that is very fool proof.   Any pictures?   -jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: wesley marceaux To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp.....whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas GIF89aÅ’

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From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:11 PM

 



Wes,

 

Do you still have your weedhopper with a Chotia Engine? Were you able to make a better bracket or find a better method to mount the flywheel?

 

The weedeater flywheel is exactly the thing I was thinking about. I do small engine repair on the side periodically (I put an ad on craigslist). Lawnmower, weed eater, sno-blower, etc... type engines have the most simple ignition system that is very fool proof.

 

Any pictures?

 

-jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: wesley marceaux

To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:41 AM

Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine

OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp....whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas

GIF89aÅ’

From: Bill Kraemer <msmanuke@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] gotcha
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 12:13 PM

 

Wes , I wouldn't want you any other way . . . Keep speakin like it is . . .  Bill Kraemer

----- Original Message -----

From: wesley marceaux

To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:20 PM

Subject: [WUPA] gotcha

 

Ok Ok
some of you know how to push my button..I am stuck in this room hoping for better days when i can go back to flying..
I tend to write as i speak which is very offensive to someone outside the small circle of friends i have..For that I am sorry!! Not for the small circle of friends,,but for the language I tend to use. As an old sailer and mechanic with not enough sunday churches,,I get repremended quite often.. It's not an excuse mind you, at my age I should know better.
I love the weedhopper and I have a great respect for it's designer. The modern day Xair should tell you plenty. Refined,,the plane AND engine would have been a great asset to all Ultralighters.
I do my share of expressing my opinions for sure and respect those that do also. I am a little passionate, as if you can't tell, about the weedhopper because it represents the best experiance I have ever had from birth and I tend to defend that joy.
Stepping on toes tends to add a little "shock and aw" to the story. But,,it also deflate's the intellagence of the story teller.
Cajun Wes

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From: wesley marceaux <wesleymarceaux@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 9:41 AM

 

OOOOAAAH Gees fellows                                    I flew behind a chotia engine for a long time..BuT,,, I am a mechanic and never suffered Half of the problems evryone else has suffered. The only real problem with the Chotia is that is was never refined!! Chotia spent his time making airplanes..He was not a engine designer..He hired a guy to do that..BUt  the guy was infatuated with Chotia's wife and never got to put much time on refinning the engine. I hear all kinds of ""why don't you''s" but very little "I did's"" out there.  I am one of the "I Did's"" and I loved it..If you have never flown a weedhopper with a chotia in good working order,, you have never felt what Chotia wanted you to feel.. There are those who would screw up a heart attack with a screw driver,,and complain about the way God made man.          My best friend flew a weedhopper "c" with the chotia engine and when he put a Cyuna 430 on the front ,,he sold the plane. He said the weight up front killed the joy of flight for him. I agree with that.  It is soooo easy to put a weedeater flywheel and coil on the back of the Chotia,,,yet how many have really done it??  I have,, I had to put two coils,,one on top of the other but just a little later on timming..it worked great till the bracket i made from aluminum broke due to vibration. That was MY fault and not the engine's. I feel alot of people are blaming the engine for thier lack of abilities.         Had Chotia's Engineer spent more time with the engine,,he would have made an absolute fortune and sent the Ultralight market out the top.          According to the Bore X Stroke X rpm,, the engine should be able to produce the same as any 460 to 500 cc engine produces. The engine needs to breath.. the exhaust was restricted to limit the engines rpm in a dive..This was recomended by the FAA who was over looking the project at the time..This was told to me by Mr. Chotia himself..        It is easy to purchase an engine for 5 times more than it is really worth,  and then yell great absenities at Chotia for making such a piece of junk.  What does this say???                                                                                                                                                          Cajun Wes --- On Sat, 11/28/09, dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM   I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp.....whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas

From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM

 

I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp....whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas

From: dennis hester <helicycle2005@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 4:43 AM

 

I hav a couple chotia engines for sale.However i would hav to say they seem to work pretty good but only when they,re workin! A pilot gets really good at makin dead stick landings so Would'nt that make for a better pilot?!  :-) Someone say somthin bout a fire! --- On Fri, 11/27/09, John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> wrote: From: John W <ipilot66@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM   Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp....whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas

From: Jackye Reynolds <skyjackye@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Christmas list
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 3:12 AM

 

Roger,

 I  believe there are several insurance providers for UL's, but it just depends on how much coverage you're required to provide.

EAA has a program through Falcon I believe.

  It's been my observation that some FBO's or county officials make extremely prohibitive insurance requirements for UL's because of the "bottom feeder" or "there goes the neighborhood" attitude that is rampant where expensive aircraft are concentrated.

I hope this will not be your situation. 

Are you in the Scottsburg, IN area?  

I hope you have a Great Christmas!

Jackye
 

"Any time off the planet is a good time!"

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From: rotr111 <rotr111@yahoo. com>
To: WUPA@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:34:10 PM
Subject: [WUPA] Christmas list

Need 277 for c model, need idea's on ul trailer( where to find)
also, am having trouble getting ins. coverage which i need to keep
ul in hanger. This is my Christmas wish list. Would be great to find any or all in beautiful southern Indiana. Don't want much do i?
Roger.

From: Paul Smigel <paul.smigel@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Christmas list
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 2:49 AM

 

........need idea's on ul trailer( where to find)

Roger

What I use is a trailer from Harbor Freight about $400 and then I fabricated the rest of the parts. You may be able to use an old boat trailer or ?? if it is 5 ft wide that would be even better than mine. Mine started as 4 ft wide but with the modifications it is now over 5 ft wide and works great.
I simply lower the ramps push down on the tail and roll it right up the ramps and into position then strap it down.  I also added a support piece on the front of the boom that takes the weight off of the front boom where the engine is.

here are a couple of pictures of my trailer:

http://webs2network s.net/weedhopper /images/11- 27-09-PRA/ pages/PRA- 11-27-09003green lady-trailer2_ jpg.htm

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Paul

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:34 PM, rotr111 <rotr111@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

Need 277 for c model, need idea's on ul trailer( where to find)
also, am having trouble getting ins. coverage which i need to keep
ul in hanger. This is my Christmas wish list. Would be great to find any or all in beautiful southern Indiana. Don't want much do i?
Roger.

From: rotr111 <rotr111@...>
Subject: [WUPA] Christmas list
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:34 PM

 

Need 277 for c model, need idea's on ul trailer( where to find)
also, am having trouble getting ins. coverage which i need to keep
ul in hanger. This is my Christmas wish list. Would be great to find any or all in beautiful southern Indiana. Don't want much do i?
Roger.

From: rotr111 <rotr111@...>
Subject: [WUPA] Christmas list
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:34 PM

 

Need 277 for c model, need idea's on ul trailer( where to find)
also, am having trouble getting ins. coverage which i need to keep
ul in hanger. This is my Christmas wish list. Would be great to find any or all in beautiful southern Indiana. Don't want much do i?
Roger.

From: John W <ipilot66@...>
Subject: Re: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine
To: WUPA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:16 PM

 

Jeff, email me on my addy. I might be able to point you towards a good option.---j --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> wrote: From: Jeff Erekson <jeff@xmsupplier. com> Subject: [WUPA] Time to start a fire and Talk about the Chotia Engine To: weedhopper@yahoogro ups.com Cc: WUPA@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:48 PM   I know I know...95% of you hate this engine, the other 5% swear by it.   However, I've never actually seen one (except pictures on the net). I should likely pay attention more when people bring this engine up, but I always skip over the posts that don't apply to me, or something I don't know about. But with it coming up a bit more recently, I'm a bit curious about it.   1) What is the difference between the Round Head and Square Head? 2) Why all the different Horsepower numbers published/documente d...I read 18hp, 20hp, 25hp, 30hp, and even 40-50hp....whats up? 3) Why the funky auto points ignition with a battery mess? Why not a simple magneto ignition, even one so simply that it mimics the armature type found on modern lawnmowers?   Lastly, it looks like a very very compact 2-cycle engine, and full of simplicity. If there was a flaw, couldn't it be easily changed by some smart person today? Customized? Altered? Something to make it better so the engine would be useful again?   So bring on the fire. Time for some good opinions :) (Seriously though, lets not offend anyone).   -Jeff out in Dallas