Greetings All -

First thank-you for your patience on this project.

At the November meeting, the Regalia Commission approved the final
designs for the Kneeling Carpets by Mistress Anne of Bradford.
Unfortunately, there arose from the discussion a question about using
one of the elements from a heraldic point of view. It was researched
and determined that one element was held by an individual as a badge in
another Kingdom. Once this conflict is resolved, the final charts for
the carpets can be generated. Meanwhile, during the next few weeks the
people who originally volunteered for the project will be contacted to
determine their continuing interest in the project. In addition,
supplies will be ordered to do final determinations for color, yarn
type, quantity of yarn required, etc.

The design includes the following design elements - multiple interlace
borders, the devices for The West, Mists, Cynagua and Oertha, overall
trellis pattern background, and central motif oak leaf wreath and
crown.

Due to the intricacy of the design, this project will require a high
degree of uniformity of stitching and detail work.  The needleworkers
will asked to:
- read and follow a chart
- do the continental stitch throughout the piece to ensure front and
back coverage
- work with multiple plys of wool yarn
- work with multiple colors easily (possibly use multiple needles as
the same time)
- keep a relatively uniform tension on the stitches (x number of inches
of thread to y number of stitches) on 10 count canvas
- work on a frame - approximately 2' x 2'
- complete their portion of the project within a given time frame (6-8
months during 2006)

Assuming we can use the current center motif, the center sections will
not be divided. Therefore, the center sections will go to 2 sets of
people who are willing to work in teams.

In addition, we will need 2 assemblers. These assemblers will put the
sections together. Stitch the connecting  pattern lines. Stitch an
outer band. Stitch the edging. Block the rug if needed. Add the lining,
rug tape, and backing.

Lastly, the carpets will need to have canvas carryalls made for them to
travel safely and be stored when not in use.

This is a big project, but with the many skilled hands of our
needleworkers, the rugs will finally emerge to add to our Kingdom's
splendor.

In Service,
Sabrina de la Bere
Guild Patron (and thread wrangler)

I'm looking for an Arabic script in cross-stitch and also Islamic
designs to also cross-stitch or do other needlework.  Any help in
finding these would be much appreciated.

I will be going to live in Egypt for 3 to 6 monthes and am hoping to
do some research into needlework and textiles while I'm living there.

Last trip I was only there for a couple of weeks but did notice some
beautiful silk embroidery thread.  I'm hoping to bring some home with
me.  Not sure of the prices, but I think its very reasonable.

Regards,

Morwenna

Dear Sir/Madam,

   I would like to know how do you make stumpwork techniques and brazilian
embroidery?Could you please send the pictures which are showed stumpwork
techniques and brazilian embroidery techniques?

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I am looking for someone to help me get started into SCA needlework.
I have posted on here asking for help deciding what to do first but I
really think I need someone to help me.  I am a little shy about
starting something so new to me without some instruction.  I live in
the northern sacramento county area and would love to meet with anyone
willing to help.  Let me know! :)

Katherine

Good Eve unto the List,

My Name is Satine De La Courcel, I am realatively new to
Embroidery... only a year or so and I am doing my heraldic banner it
is a whenever it gets doen it gets done project.   I also Bead..
Lots and Lots Of beading, Bellydance, Sew all Kinds of garb for
Turkish, Early, Mid and  Venetian styles of Italain Renaissance,
Kirtles/Cotehardies,  Slowly working on a Elizabetahn Gown Trying to
redproduce the Pheopnix portrait as best I can.. Providing I can get
my Corset done... and Byzantine clothing, and I also sew all my
husbands clothing for the same time periods.   My Love is Pearls
adorning cloting in period....Second is Beadwork and a new tie for
second is Embroidery.

I am eager to learn more about embroidery.. I hope this site will be
able to give me some direction, For I know how to do several
stitches of the "basic Embroidery"  Split, chain, couching etc...I
am still a beginner. ANd need direction for silly things like to
knot or not to Knot???? which is period which is better looking
which is more accepted. I am looking into Blackwork, Beaded
Embroidery (using real FWP For a Byzantine Mantle based on the
coronation mantle of Roger II for my Husband  that Project is on
holed until I can get my banner done... I hope to have the banner
ready for debuting at pennsic ready to hang in my tent(its a wall
hanging banner its 4'x6'ish) at Pennsic this year...

Does anyone know of a really good way to use metalic thread so it
does nto Fray so badly???? is there one brand that is better than
another???? Would anyone be willing to recomend any really great
embroidery Books to help me with my research of embroidery, for
History, styles, what they used.. etc???

thank you in advance for your help

In Service
Satine

> Satine,
>
> You asked: Does anyone know of a really good way to use metalic thread so
> it
> does'nt Fray so badly???? is there one brand that is better than
> another???? Would anyone be willing to recomend any really great
> embroidery Books to help me with my research of embroidery, for
> History, styles, what they used.. etc???
> ______________________________________
>
> You might wish to try these two sources for goldwork thread.  It sounds
> like you want to use "passing thread".  It comes in either "Gilt Thread"
> or Gold metal thread with a percentage of real gold....usually 2% real
> gold...and usually 3-4 times the cost of "Gilt thread".  Size 7 is fairly
> thicker than a Size 4.  Usually, a #5 or 6 is great for the straight
> laying & couching method.  It really depends on the size of your design.
> I use #4 for underside couching.  A "gilt thread" doesn't tarnish like the
> real gold and works well for those items where you need to cover large
> areas but don't want to spend an arm & a leg.
>
> Good sources I have discovered are:
>
> 1.  The Japanese Embroidery Center out of Atlanta, Georgia.  They have a
> great website where you can order their products.  For underside couching
> I use their #4 IG (Imitation Gold).  They also sell some great spools
> (called Komas) for winding your thread around to keep it smooth.  They
> also carry wonderful flat silk for satin stitch and the long & short
> stitch for later period use.
>
> 2.  Benton & Johnson (www.BentonandJohnson.com) - out of England.  They
> have all sorts of gold metal thread ranging from "passing" threads to
> "twists" (used alot in Elizabethan embroidery) to smooth purl, checque,
> etc. This company has recently been re-organized and is fantastic at
> shipping so that you now receive your product within 2 to 3 weeks of
> placing your order.
>
> Both of these places also carry your "silk couching threads" to couch down
> your metal thread.
> I've also found that the passing threads from these 2 sources do not fray.
>
> For reading sources:  I would recommend looking in the goldwork section of
> the books listed on the guild website.  If you're trying to do early
> period goldwork....usually anything dealing with the ecclesiastical
> (Christie's Medieval Embroidery book; Berryl Dean's Eccleasiastical
> Embroidery, Hinda Hand's book about church embroideries, etc.).  You
> mentioned the Sicilian cloak you want to do for your husband....you might
> check out the Treasury books from the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna.,
> including the book (Nobiles Officinae) they have on their past exhibit of
> that cloak & other pieces done during the same time period.
>
> Do you happen to live in the West Kingdom?
>
> Isela
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>

Greetings fellow needleworkers,
     This gentle from the affected areas of our world suffered a loss of
needlework precious to her.  She is interested in trying to repair it; does
anyone know much about textile reconstruction or can point her to any good
sources?

     In service,
     Aelia


Aine <muirghen@...> wrote:  Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:44:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Aine <muirghen@...>
Subject: Needlepoint work damaged in Hurrican Katrina - restoration info
To: madrigal_chick@...

   Greetings Minister Aelia Apolonia,

   I was searching many sites in and out of the SCA and was directed to yours.
   I and my family were living in New Orleans until Hurricane Katrina. One of the
pieces of property we were able to salvage was a needlepoint picture that my
late grandmother had done for my sister's birth. It was a bird that had been
framed, and had fallen into the flood waters from the break of one of our
levees. The water from this canal was fresh water but contaminated from the
city.
   Half of the work is okay, the lower half is damaged - the colours have run and
it is hard to tell that it used to be a bird. I realise that there is a good
chance that it cannot be saved, but I am checking as many avenues as possible.
   If you have any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.

   YIS,
   Brenna McGill/Holly J. Schorling
   Northover

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Greeting All,

My name is Hazel and I am new here. I will be looking around for a
while and hope to make new friends. I love all forms of neddle arte.

Have a Good One,

Hazel

Good morning,

As most of you know by now, the Barony of Darkwood is creating a tapestry of
approximately 23 panels which will be presented to Their Excellencies and the
Barony at Darkwood's 20th Birthday next year at  the White Shield Tourney &
Feast.   Each of the embroidered panels are recording a bit of Darkwood history.

This morning, we were notified that the panel depicting the Barony's annual Arts
& Sciences event is available and needs an embroiderer.  All of these panels
have been designed by Lord Raymond von dem Lowengrab, a wonderful artist whose
works have graced the pages of our monthly Drum newsletter.

The design has already been transferred to the fabric and the fabric has been
mounted on stretcher bars.  The "kit" includes the necessary Appleton wool
thread, needles, and embroidery instructions.

If you or someone you know would like to embroider this panel, please contact
one of the following people as soon as possible:  Eric Bjornsson at
redbear@... OR Catherine Lorraine of Stonegate Manor at
connyftz@... OR Isela at dcobb@...

This is a fun project, and I'm sure you will be surprised at how quickly the
stitching will go when using wool thread!

Yours in service,

Isela di Bari
(One of the Project coordinators)


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Isela, I'd love to be involved in this project. In truth, I probably don't
have time to work on it before April, but if that time frame is acceptable, I'd
love to do this. Otherwise, please keep me "on the list" for other future
activity.

~Cait


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Good evening to you all!

My name is Annora coupe rose, and I'm very happy to have joined your
mailing list. :)  I'm a new convert to needlework, but I love it a lot;
I find it very calming and relaxing.  The apprentice series described
on the Guild website looks very interesting to me.  I'd love a chance
to talk it over with someone.  Are there get-togethers in the Bay Area,
by any chance?  I'll be at March Crown, too.  (...And I just realized
that I sound like an overeager puppy.  I promise I'm calmer in person!)

I've only ever done one complicated piece of embroidery; it was a
Twelfth Night present for my husband.  There's a picture of it at
http://www.nicodemus.org/photos/livejournal/NicoCrest.gif .  I
cheerfully admit that I had no idea what I was doing.  :)

Once again, I'm glad to meet you all!  I look forward to learning from
you.

YIS,

Annora

Is there any weekly/bi-weekly/monthly stitching groups in Sacramento
area?  I would love to meet with a group outside of formal SCA events
and be able to talk and share tecniques.  Let me know if there is one.
  I would volunteer to organize one but being a newcomer myself that is
not something I can handle.

Katherine

Hi, Katherine.

Yes, there is a monthly meeting of the Cynaguan Needleworker's Guild, the
third Thursday of each month at Jaida's home. In the meantime, call me
(Caiterina) at 707-628-4473 as I get together informally with others about twice
weekly,
and you can join in!

~Cait


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I don't know if this is common knowledge and I'm just slow... But I
just found The Fuzzy Penguin.  It is a stitching shop on 60th street.
They carry an extensive floss/thread selection including silk.  I have
been searching for silk thread for two weeks now to try something
new.  They also have Aida in pretty much any color you need and waste
canvas up to 18 count.  Anyways I just wanted to pass this information
along to everyone.  Have a great weekend!

YIS,
Katherine

Katherine-

The Fuzzy Penguin has a fair selection of good-quality supplies. When you're
really ready to move to the big time, though - we'll go to Needle in a
Haystack in Alameda. WOOOOOOOOW! But I'm really glad The Fuzzy Penguin has some
selection for locals - I can't drive to Alameda on a work day!

Call me pretty soon to set up a stitching "date:! (707-628-4473)

~Cait



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Greetings All,

I am very new to all of this. I have to mail order most of all my
supplies. I have had very good luck with Nordic Needle. They are a
great source of fibers, tools, and much much more. I was orginally
interrested in Hardanger.To the best of my knowledge it basically
originates in Norway. It combines satin stitches with drawn thread,
cutwork, and needle weaving. This was also were I became acquainted
with Blackwork and Assisi needle work. Just thought you all might find
it a bit interesting.

So if you are of the mind to visit the web site here it is

http://www.nordicneedle.com and they have a great free catalog too.

Hazel

Greetings,

   For those of you looking for specific embroidery documenation, or info on
specific techniques:  A great resource is the EGA (Embroiders Guild of
America).  For the price of membership ($40 a year), you have access to their
library.  IF you go to their site, click on library, you can see an entire list
of their books.  They will ship them to your door via UPS, and all it costs you
is the shipping charge.  It's a great way to borrow and see books you can't get
from your local library.

Happy Stitching,

Yvonne/Ellspeth

Not  only can you order books, but I believe you also have access to their
video library and their embroidery sample boxes.  And they also do some
great workshops and have chapters in the Bay Area (S.F.).  In fact, the West
Coast Regional Seminar this year is going to be held in June in Portland,
Ore. (unfortunately, it is the same weekend as June Crown),  and their
annual national convention (a week long of classes) will be held on the West
Coast in 2010. Plus the EGA offers learning courses you can do right from
your home!

Isela


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Sent: Feb 16, 2006 6:12 AM
Subject: [WKneedle] Possible source for documentation


Greetings,

   For those of you looking for specific embroidery documenation, or info on
specific techniques:  A great resource is the EGA (Embroiders Guild of
America).  For the price of membership ($40 a year), you have access to
their
library.  IF you go to their site, click on library, you can see an entire
list
of their books.  They will ship them to your door via UPS, and all it costs
you
is the shipping charge.  It's a great way to borrow and see books you can't
get
from your local library.

Happy Stitching,

Yvonne/Ellspeth


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I owe everyone profound apologies for being so late getting the winter issue of
Filum Aureum out in the mail. The more so, since I came quite close to actually
having it to mail out before Twelfth Night (which is when it was supposed to be
mailed) -- it was a case of which days I had chosen to go back East to see my
family versus which days Elric, who runs the newsletter off for us, was at work,
and the two just didn't overlap in the right order.

That, and "Life", which seems to specialize in interfering with our hobbies
sometimes!

At any rate, I do most sincerely apologize and I plan to do better.

If you haven't received your copy yet, you should get it in the next few days,
and even though Twelfth Night is past, I hope it will be useful and enjoyable.

And now for the next one, which I've already started to work on!

Regards,
Christian de Holacombe
(known this week as Chronicler Eating Humble Pie)

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0  Chris Laning
|  <claning@...>
+  Davis, California
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On to the next topic:

The "Needle's Eye" question for this next issue is: What is your favorite style
of historical needlework, and why?

Historical stitches do not occur in isolation -- a needlework "style" includes
not only characteristic stitch techniques, but also what kinds of materials are
used, what color palette, what motifs, and what kinds of objects are being
decorated with embroidery.

There is blackwork, for instance, which is actually a cluster of related styles
-- including the sort with heavy outlines and counted-thread fillings, the kind
that is mostly double running stitch, and the less common kind that is "shaded"
with little speckling stitches.

Other examples of historical style include canvaswork (as in our Strawberry
Pincushion kit), cord-edged applique (as in our Demi-Sun pouch kit), solidly
worked long-arm cross-stitch (as in our Sens pincushion kit), and counted-thread
whitework (as in our Whitework Bookmark kit) -- and then there's Elizabethan
raised work (a.k.a. "stumpwork") and Opus Anglicanum.

So what style are you personally enjoying the most, at present? What especially
appeals to you about it? What kinds of things do you make, and what have you
learned from it?

I'm collecting answers to this question for the Spring issue of the
West Kingdom Needleworkers Guild's newsletter, _Filum Aureum_, whose
feature article will be on "Embroidered Books." These are for our
"needleworker in the street interview" column, called "Through the
Needle's Eye." I need your answers as soon as possible. If you're not
already on our paper-mail list, I'd be happy to mail anyone a copy of
the newsletter when it comes out in return for your answer (whether I
use it or not). If you want one, send me your mailing address.

And please sign your answer with your _complete_ SCA name and
kingdom. Thanks!

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Standard fine print stuff: If you post an answer, I will assume you have given
permission for your answer to be published. Answers may be edited for brevity,
relevance et cetera.

Out-of-kingdom contributions are welcome, and in fact I try to pass
this notice along to other SCA embroiderers. Please forward freely
(checking first to be sure it's not a duplicate).

____________________________________________________________

O   (Lady) Christian de Holacombe , Shire of Windy Meads
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A friend send me this great website which features a 10th c. Moorish
thimble, 14th c. spindle whorls, 15-16th c. brass thimbles and a 15th c.
thimble thumb ring.  You will need to scroll down to see all the items.

Happy surfing,

Isela


> http://www.traces.nu/artefacts_medieval.htm
>

Greetings all, Mestra Rafaella from AnTir here.

I'm thinking of doing a kneeling pad for my shire. We
don't use them all that often, but as I found out last
night when I heralded my first baronial court (local
baroness was visiting), we don't got one. :-)

I don't really need help on stitches or design
(thinking long-armed cross stitch in wool on linen).

I would *love* assistance with size (how tall? how
wide? how deep?) and how to piece around 3-d
rectangular foam, or should I even be thinking foam?
maybe wool blanket or something.

Since ya'll often produce great whomps of regalia, I
thought this would be a great place to ask.

Thanks in advance,
Mestra Rafaella d'Allemtejo
Pursuivant to the Shire of Dragon's Mist
http://users.easystreet.com/rafaella

Greetings and Salutations!

Life is all about cycles of change and as we venture into the new
season, it's a good time to reflect on what we've accomplished and
what we hope to accomplish. It's a good time to recognize that we are
not the same individuals that we were last year and those changes
could be as small as the length of our hair or as big as complete
lifestyle choices.

Looking towards the future, I'm very excited and nervous about this
upcoming Collegium Occidentalis. The exciting part is that we have
booked a site in Sacramento and this will be the first time Collegium
has come to Cynagua in 2 years and even longer since it's been in the
Sacramento area. I visited the site last Thursday (with our lovely
feast-o-crat, Juana Isabella de Montoya y Ramirez) and it's nice with
a central grassy area and a sizable hall; the herbal collegium was
held there last August. The nervous part is that I am not a resident
of Cynagua nor involved in the Cynaguan art/sciences communities, so
I'm relying on feedback from people who intend to participate
regarding what it is that they want to see. As I continue to send
this message forward to various address lists and yahoo-groups, I
hope that Cynaguans who may have been reluctant to travel to the
Mists in the past see this as a wonderful opportunity to participate
in Collegium and respond with enthusiasm.

As the platform for the event, we have classes and an A&S Display. Is
there anything else that would make this event a fun educational
experience? I am open to your ideas on what you'd like to see at this
event:  Fighting activities? Dancing? Something else? Is there
something that you've always wanted to do or coordinate for this
event? I'm open to your thoughts and welcome anyone who wants to help
participate in making this event fun.

Juana Isabella will be doing the feast in the evening. I am looking
for volunteers to serve the feast. And I have 50 feast tickets to
sell! ($8 for collegium/$18 for collegium and feast)

If you would like to teach, please e-mail the following:
Full Mundane Name
SCA Name
Class title
Class Description
Class Maximum:
Class Fees (if any)
Materials Students should bring:
Your Contact info besides e-mail:

I am also seeking a volunteer to coordinate the A&S display.

I look forward to hearing from you. Even if you just want to
participate and don't know what you want to do, drop me a line. The
event is a wonderful place to meet all sorts of fun and creative
people and I will gladly find a role for any volunteers.

In addition to this, this is my final Collegium event. If you are
interested in the office of Collegium Occidentalis, please contact
me.

Yours in Service,
Ascelin Meere of Ravenslocke, OL, OP
Collegium Chancellor

This is forwarded from another group but thought it would be of
interest to any needleworkers in the Sacramento area.
Katherine


Please spread the word to needle workers: I'm not sure how soon, but
saw that the store front is for lease and Viscountess Megen got
a "store closing" flyer in the mail. I'm not sure of the details (last
date of business, sale prices, etc.), but thought some on this list
would be interested to know.

~Ellisif

Sorry all I am feeling under the weather -- the store is the Fuzzy
Penguin.

Unfortunately true. The Fuzzy Penguin is closing. Beginning yesterday
they are having their series of closing sales. I believe the sales
extend through the 15th which is supposed to be their last day.

In Service,
Sabrina de la Bere

The Fuzzy Penguin will be closed by the end of the month.

  Doesn't it just stink?

  Jen



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Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:31:28 AM
Subject: [WKneedle] Sad news in Sacramento


  This is forwarded from another group but thought it would be of
  interest to any needleworkers in the Sacramento area.
  Katherine


  Please spread the word to needle workers: I'm not sure how soon, but
  saw that the store front is for lease and Viscountess Megen got
  a "store closing" flyer in the mail. I'm not sure of the details (last
  date of business, sale prices, etc.), but thought some on this list
  would be interested to know.

  ~Ellisif







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I am researching to purchase a digital camera to take good quality
macro photos.  I know Iuletta and Christian had experience with museum
quality digital photography, if they are anyone else would share their
info I would appreciate it.

Thank you,

Francesca

I'm interested in that too -- especially digital cameras that work
well in low light, since textiles are usually kept in darkened room.s

Halima
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Halima de la Lucha, Crosston, Mists, West
http://www.halimal.com

>   From: "Erin Harvey Moody" <ehmoody@...>
>Subject: Camera Recommendations
>
>I am researching to purchase a digital camera to take good
>quality     macro photos.  I know Iuletta and Christian had
>experience with museum     quality digital photography, if they are
>anyone else would share their
>info I would appreciate it.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Francesca

Add me to the wanna know list.  We are planning a trip to New York next summer
for my eldest's graduation from college and of course we must hit the Met and
the Cloisters!

Madelena
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   I'm interested in that too -- especially digital cameras that work
   well in low light, since textiles are usually kept in darkened room.s

   Halima
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   http://www.halimal.com

   >   From: "Erin Harvey Moody" <ehmoody@...>
   >Subject: Camera Recommendations
   >
   >I am researching to purchase a digital camera to take good
   >quality     macro photos.  I know Iuletta and Christian had
   >experience with museum     quality digital photography, if they are
   >anyone else would share their
   >info I would appreciate it.
   >
   >Thank you,
   >
   >Francesca



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