I have a question, and didn't see the answer at our site.  Do the evaluators
prefer to have the piece totally finished, i.e. already made into a pouch,
framed, the embroidered garment lined, etc. or do they really want to be able to
see the back side of your work?

Joan the Harper, Bard of Vinhold


http://www.joan-the-harper.com

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we want the needlework nearly finished and it helps us to see the
backs. The backs tell us a lot about how you do the needlework and
assist us in determining what comments may be helpful to you. We look
forward to seeing your work at March Crown.



>I have a question, and didn't see the answer at our site.  Do the
>evaluators prefer to have the piece totally finished, i.e. already
>made into a pouch, framed, the embroidered garment lined, etc. or do
>they really want to be able to see the back side of your work?
>
Joan the Harper, Bard of Vinhold

----------------
In Service,

Sabrina de la Bere
Minister, Kingdom of the West Needleworkers Guild
Website: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/
Email List & Files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WKneedle/

"So simple, so beautiful, so easy - ask me how."

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Joan,
   I've personally found that it really truly depends on the evaluator.  They
all like to see the embroidery to be done or nearly so, but whether or not
it's made into a finished product really depends on who's looking at it.  I
turned in one piece that was completely done as a final product - one
evaluator wished they could have seen the back of the work.  I turned in
another peice that was just the embroidery and not yet made into a final
product - one evaluator wished they could have seen it in its final form!
Sigh.  I think a good midway point is to finish the embroidery and say what
the final product will be (instead of just German counted thread satin
stitch, say German counted thread satin stitch pouch), and if any of the
evaluators express a desire to see the finished product, try and find them
once you're done and show them.

   My two bezants,
   Aelia


>From: Joan Hall <joan_the_harpist1119@...>
>To: West Kingdom Needleworkers <wkneedle@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [WKneedle] Preparing pieces for Guild evaluation
>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:59:33 -0800 (PST)
>
>I have a question, and didn't see the answer at our site.  Do the
>evaluators prefer to have the piece totally finished, i.e. already made
>into a pouch, framed, the embroidered garment lined, etc. or do they really
>want to be able to see the back side of your work?
>
>Joan the Harper, Bard of Vinhold
>
>
>http://www.joan-the-harper.com
>
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As a waaay out of kindom-er (I'm in Meridies) tell me more about your
Guild Evaluations.  It sounds like a way of getting your work
critiqued.  Can anybody do this?

Jerusha

>As a waaay out of kindom-er (I'm in Meridies) tell me more about your
>Guild Evaluations.  It sounds like a way of getting your work
>critiqued.  Can anybody do this?
>
>Jerusha
>
Unfortunately we do not have an program for people who are out of
Kingdom (West). Details of our program can be found on our website
http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle.

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This sounds so cool!  Can I please bring my harp to the Guild Pavilion at March
Crown?  I could sit somewhere out of the way and play for a bit!

Joan the Harper, Bard of Vinhold

Lady_Lark_Azure <jenniferanne21@...> wrote:
To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com
From: "Lady_Lark_Azure"
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:24:39 -0000
Subject: [Authentic_SCA] Ladies' Solar

I'm actually looking for a site for an event called "The Thimble and
the Tabor" a combined embroiderer's guild and music collegium.  There
would be classes all day and a room set up to be a solar, where
people could work on needlework and chamber musicians would play.
Haven't found the right site yet.

Isabeau


http://www.joan-the-harper.com

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Lady Lark Azure - where are you located and for what size venue are  looking?
I have an idea . . .

~Caiterina


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Sabrina de la Bere wrote:
>  >As a waaay out of kindom-er (I'm in Meridies) tell me more about your
>>Guild Evaluations.  It sounds like a way of getting your work
>>critiqued.  Can anybody do this?
>>
>>Jerusha
>
>Unfortunately we do not have an program for people who are out of
>Kingdom (West). Details of our program can be found on our website
>http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle.

I am *in no way* suggesting that the West Kingdom Needleworkers Guild
do this, but...

There are a number of Guilds (not specifically needlework) in other
Kingdoms that do allow out-of-kingdomers to send their pieces to the
Guild for evaluation. One can even advance through some of those
Guilds by fulfilling their requirements, sending them pieces with
written information/documentation, as well as writing research
papers. Naturally the stuff is mailed back.

Just for the sake of passing on information,
Anahita

Through the wonderful efforts of the Collegium class procurer there
WILL be embroidery classes at Spring Collegium. Enjoy.

Embroidery 101 - Jora in Irska

A basic embroidery class where students will learn beginning
embroidery techniques such as running stitch, back stitch, split
stitch, stem stitch, chain stitch, and possibly more as time permits.

Fee: $2 for all supplies (thread, needle, hoop, & fabric) Limit: 12


Bayeaux Tapestry Stitch - Cyneburh of Canterbury

Learn how to do the Bayeaux Tapestry Stitch. This is a wonderful
stitch for decorating garb, pouches, favors, just about anything.

Fee: $1 for hoop & supplies (limit of 12 available)
No class limit if students bring their own supplies (large eyed needle,
embroidery floss, hoop, piece of un-patterned, light colored cloth to
stitch on)


Norse Seam Treatments - Vigdis Vestfirzka

Learn to decorate your seams. We will go over several stitches with
which you can finish your garb.

Fee: NONE Limit: 12


Make Your Own Haversack (DOUBLE PERIOD) - Vigdis Vestfirzka

Ever seen those really neat Norse haversacks about? Always wanted one
of your very own? Well, join us at Collegium and make one for
yourself!
You don't need to be Norse to use them...
There will be many different colors of fabric and yarn to choose from,
along with several different styles of decoration for your bag. We'll
use blanket stitch, couching, and a couple of "Norse" embroidery
stitches. Don't worry if you don't know how, we'll teach you!
Fee: $5  Limit: 10


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The Number 1 thing I am asked for is class handouts for the
needlework classes. I would like to encourage all of you when you
develop a handout to place a copy in the files section of our e-list.
I will create a special file for them. They can be in any medium, but
pdf or MSWord works best.

Please help your fellow needleworkers out by making your handouts
more widely available. Thank-you.

For anyone interested in mine, most are posted to my personal website
- www.bayrose.org

----------------
In Service,

Sabrina de la Bere
Minister, Kingdom of the West Needleworkers Guild
Website: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/
Email List & Files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WKneedle/

"So simple, so beautiful, so easy - ask me how."

Sabrina de la Bere wrote:

>The Number 1 thing I am asked for is class handouts for the
>needlework classes. I would like to encourage all of you when you
>develop a handout to place a copy in the files section of our e-list.
>I will create a special file for them. They can be in any medium, but
>pdf or MSWord works best.

Sharing class handouts is great.

But I want to raise a few issues...

PDF - Portable Document Format - is indeed readable on most
platforms. And software to *read* PDFs is free. However, the software
*to create* PDFs can be expensive if you don't already have it, and
especially if you think you won't have much use for it. You may be
able to find someone willing to convert your document into PDF, so
it's a toss-up...

MicroSoft Word is not so good. In fact, it can be downright bad.
Unless the reader has the most recent version, she/he may not be able
to read the document. Additionally, if there are graphics embedded in
it, even if she/he can manage to read the text, the graphics will be
invisible, and tables often as well.

I have an old version of Word, and i even have a stand alone reader
(non-MS) that can read them, but often cannot display graphics or
tables. I often find myself e-mailing the creators of documents to
request that they send me the graphics separately.

Excel documents are nearly impossible for me to read. I actually have
a version of Excel, but it's old and won't read documents created by
newer versions - and i have no compelling reason to buy a new version.

If you have graphics in your document, i suggest HTML. I am willing
to help folks put together HTML versions of their handouts, along
with jpg or gif graphics that anyone on any platform with any browser
can read. And if all you have are bmps, i can convert them (since
many browsers won't display bmps).

>Please help your fellow needleworkers out by making your handouts
>more widely available. Thank-you.

I agree - but finding a method that works well for nearly everyone
can take a little thought and consideration.

Anahita
not using a MicroSoft OS

Let's not let format be an issue or even a consideration.

I can make pdf docs as can Christian or Sarah Arwen. We will can all
help and it is becoming the preferred method as with the "free
reader" all browsers can read the docs.

If you have a word processing doc and it has graphics then go ahead
and post it in what ever form you have. One of us will either convert
it to pdf or html for more universal usage.

----------------
In Service,

Sabrina de la Bere
Minister, Kingdom of the West Needleworkers Guild
Website: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/
Email List & Files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WKneedle/

"So simple, so beautiful, so easy - ask me how."

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From another list I am on - a wonderful selection of charts for
Medieval Egyptian Pattern Darning. There also is a good bibliography.

Enjoy

From another list I am on - a wonderful selection of charts for
Medieval Egyptian Pattern Darning. There also is a good bibliography.

Enjoy

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mathilde/embroidery/embroid.htm

Hi, I don't do much embroidery :-) but I do do some natural dyeing,
and I thought it would be fun to dye some small skeins of
embroidery thread for gifts.

What sort of threads would be good for this?  How appropriate
would wool be, or perhaps linen too? And what brands and sizes
of silk, wool or linen threads would be good?

Thank you!
Halima
=====================================================
SCA: Halima de la Lucha, Crosston, Mists, West
(Silicon Valley (San Francisco Bay Area), CA, USA)
http://www.halimal.com

Due to the largesse of several of the members of the Guild and the
generosity of the teacher, we will be holding this class as
scheduled. At present we have 7 paid attendees. However, we still
would like to be able to cover the teacher's fee.

If you have ever wanted to learn Or Nue this is a wonderful chance to
learn the ins and outs of the technique from a teacher trained in the
technique from the Royal School of Needlework. While the basic method
is relatively easy to learn, the key is understanding the shading
methods and this will be our focus.

Let me know you interest as soon as possible. Thank-you

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By popular demand - the Guild is sponsoring a class in Or Nue. Or Nue
is  surface-couched metal threads with coloured stitches placed at
varying distances to give a tonal quality.  This creates a
three-dimensional effect on a completely flat surface. One example of
this is the Liturgical Vestments of the Order of the Golden Fleece
<http://www.khm.at/system2E.html?/staticE/page486.html.>http://www.khm.at/system\
2E.html?/staticE/page486.html.

The best pictures I've found of OrNue at its height is
<http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raider4/austria/vienna/museums/schatzkammer/order_of_t\
he_golden_fleece/liturgical_vestments/>http://rubens.anu.edu.au/raider4/austria/\
vienna/museums/schatzkammer/order_of_the_golden_fleece/liturgical_vestments/
Click on them to see them in great detail.

The class will use gold thread, from the UK, on silk gauze, and silk
threads. The teacher will provide a design with plenty of shading and
we will work samples to show how to handle the shading using
different weights of silk, different colors of silk and different
spacing of the couching stitches.

We are fortunate to have Linn Skinner return to teach this technique
that she learned at the Royal School of Needlework. Linn is a long
time supporter of our Guild and has taught several classes for us
before.

Linn Skinner is an embroideress and embroidery historian, teaches and
exhibits in England as well as in the United States. First taught to
embroider by her grandmothers and mother, she continued her study of
classic embroidery techniques and embroidery research in England.
Linn has studied Blackwork, Goldwork, Jacobean embroidery and Silk
Shading at the Royal School of Needlework, Hampton Court and advanced
her skills in workshops with master embroiderers in England and the
U.S. Linn is a founding member of The New Elizabethans, an
international group of embroiderers formed in 1998 to further the
development of classic hand embroidery. Her work was included in the
New Elizabethians' first exhibit "The Broiderer's Garden," November
1999 at the Museum of Garden History, London and she was featured in
a BBC4 Radio program which focused on current embroidery trends and
the exhibit. Recently, Linn has been featured in Piecework and
Classic Stitches magazines. Linn takes her inspiration from the 16th
and 17th centuries and interprets historic embroidery techniques and
designs aesthetics in a new and refreshing way! For more information
on Linn and to see her web-magazine visit her website:
<http://www.skinnersisters.com/>http://www.skinnersisters.com/

Date: Sunday March 21,2004

Time: 9:30 am - 4:30 pm. We will begin at 9:30 am - if you can arrive
and be ready to stitch at this time it will help the class move
smoothly.

Place: The class is being held in a private home in Half Moon Bay. In
order to accommodate everyone please DO NOT bring chairs or tables -
they will be provided. Also be aware that this is a cat-owned house.

Dress: casual mundane

Bring: to class old embroidery scissors for cutting metal threads,
regular fine embroidery scissors, thimble if you use one, and note
taking materials. You are welcome to bring additional lighting or
magnification. We will be working with 40 count fabric.

Class time includes one-hour lunch break. You may bring your bag
lunch or for $5 we will be providing a deli lunch/make your own
sandwich. Please let me know if you wish to participate in the deli
lunch. We will also provide - water, ice tea and some soft drinks or
you can bring your own. Weather permitting, lunch will be on the back
deck.


Cost: $100 for this special class which is greatly discounted for us.
Check must accompany your reservation for class space.  Class space
will be on a first come, first served basis, but we must have 10
attendees to have the class, with a maximum of 16.  Check will not be
refundable after March 1, 2004 unless the class is totally cancelled.
If class is cancelled, a materials cost may be assessed.  Make checks
payable to Linn Skinner and send to our Guild Minister, Sabrina de la
Bere, who is autocrating this class -- Robin Berry, POB 1809, El
Granada, CA 94018.

Contact Sabrina with any questions you may have.


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Our Annotated Booklist has been updated and there are now over 270
different titles included.

http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/booklist/Book-Intro.html
Click on the category title to get to that area of books.

Apologies in advance - there are some "odd" characters in this
version where the "translator" from program to program did not
recognize something. Most are the ' symbol. We will correct this in
the not too distant future.

We hope you find this resource of use.

----------------
In Service,

Sabrina de la Bere
Minister, Kingdom of the West Needleworkers Guild
Website: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/
Email List & Files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WKneedle/

"So simple, so beautiful, so easy - ask me how."

Long ago and far away, I remember seeing the little Elizabethan Girl
sampler-type illustrations that she uses to start each chapter in
color.  My baper-back copy has them in Black & white.

Is this truth or am I completely delusional?

Jerusha

> Long ago and far away, I remember seeing the little Elizabethan Girl
> sampler-type illustrations that she uses to start each chapter in
> color.  My baper-back copy has them in Black & white.
>
> Is this truth or am I completely delusional?

Not a print source, but both portraits are at
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Various_4.htm

annora

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

March Crown - Yolo County Fairgrounds

Date: Saturday, March 13, 2004
Time: All Day

Needleworkers Guild Pavilion:
Saturday:
Invocation - 2 pm Mentors Corner - come stitch or come ask
questions of our Mentors on your current projects
2:30 pm Meeting - All are welcome to attend
3 pm Class - Caiterina nic Sheamus, 3 Basic Stitches Part 1 - an
introductory class to embroidery. There will be a small class
fee for materials.

Sunday:
10 am Class Aelia, Beginning Blackwork - an introductory class
to blackwork embroidery. There will be small class fee for
materials.

Greetings to the List Members,

This is to update you on an upcoming event, Collegium Nebularum. The
event is scheduled for June 26, 2004 in Concord, CA (Shire of
Teufelberg).

The morning and afternoon of the event is made up of classes and an
Artisans Display that will be highlighting works by many of the
instructors as well as other attendees. In the evening will be a
feast featuring dishes from the Low Countries.

Many more details are available at the following website:

http://www.phmoms.com/CollegiumNebularum.html

YIS,
Ascelin Meere of Ravenslocke

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

March Crown - Yolo County Fairgrounds

Date: Saturday, March 13, 2004
Time: All Day

Needleworkers Guild Pavilion:
Saturday:
Invocation - 2 pm Mentors Corner - come stitch or come ask
questions of our Mentors on your current projects
2:30 pm Meeting - All are welcome to attend
3 pm Class - Caiterina nic Sheamus, 3 Basic Stitches Part 1 - an
introductory class to embroidery. There will be a small class
fee for materials.

Sunday:
10 am Class Aelia, Beginning Blackwork - an introductory class
to blackwork embroidery. There will be small class fee for
materials.

Greetings;

I was just wandering through the photo section of the yahoo group,
and I noticed while there are photos of (I think) all the kingdom
pouches, there are only a few of the travel bags...did just not as
many pictures get taken, or has time just not been available to
upload?  I'm curious because I only got to glance at them when they
were on display, and I'd love to see more.

YIS;

Evaine
evaine@...

We have a few, but will take a full set at June Crown when they are
due for presentation. If I have a chance I'll take some before and
post them.

- Sabrina

Do you have extras of items that would be of use to other
needleworkers? Do you have items that no longer fit in with what you
are doing? Bring them to the Needleworkers Guild Pavilion to share
and sell from 11 am - 5 pm.

We will set aside a corner for items. If you can't stay around - be
sure your items are clearly marked and provide a container for people
to put money in. We can't be responsible for the items, but the
opportunity is there for those who wish to avail themselves of it.

If you don't wish to sell items, consider donating them to the Guild
for our Silent Auction which will be held at 12th Night 2005. This is
our major fund raiser and is held every 2 years.
----------------
In Service,

Sabrina de la Bere
Minister, Kingdom of the West Needleworkers Guild
Website: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/
Email List & Files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WKneedle/

"So simple, so beautiful, so easy - ask me how."

Christian will not be attending Crown. Is there someone who would be
willing to stop by her house on the way to Crown and pick up a box of
stuff for the Guild. Please email Christian <claning@...> and cc
me please. Thanks

I know this deals with Calontir, but I thought it
might interest everyone.
  They are simply amazing. The amount of work that went
  into them is fantastic!

> From: "Hrothny" <nothingbutadame@...>
> To: "Merry Rose" <atlantia@...>; "A
> Tine of the Trident"
> <SCA-atlantia-marinus@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:06 PM
> Subject: [MR] Calontir Kingdom Copes are Done!
>
>
> > Wow! Look at all that handwoven, hand-dyed
> stuff...
> >
> > The SCA Kingdom of Calontir has been working on a
> new set of coronation
> > copes for about 3 years. They are now done and are
> being shown on these
> two
> > websites - the first site has a good set of
> "overview" pics, the second
> sit
> > has close-ups. These are inspiring.
> >
> > http://www.madgoose.net/copes/
> >
> >  http://home.comcast.net/~maerwynn/index.html
> >
> > To quote from the message that brought it to my
> attention:
> > " All the heraldry pieces were done in hand dyed
> silk.  The bodies
> > of the copes are handwoven wool.  All the trim and
> cording was
> > handwoven card or inkle loom and I think a little
> luceting, using
> > more silk.  The lining for the copes and base
> fabric for the orphrey
> > strips are purchased silk."
> >
> > Hrothny
>


=====
Lady Sorcha Fhionn inghean uiRuairc, AOA ......  Kingdom of the West;
Holda,  Spinning Guild;
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon2/dragonskeep

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The class is currently scheduled for April 10th - the Saturday before
Easter. At present only 2 people are registered for the class. We
need a minimum of 5 - please let me know via email no later than
March 15th if you intend to take the class. If we don't have
sufficient - we will try one more time to schedule the class later
this year.
_________________
By request, I will be teaching this class Saturday, April 10, 2004.
It was originally scheduled for Sunday of Spring Collegium, but
Collegium is currently scheduled for Reno.

Note we will start with fabric. Some sites call the Punto in Aria
technique that starts with a cord base, Reticella. While some of the
technique is the same, there are major differences when working from
cloth.


Introduction to Reticella
Reticella is a withdrawn thread from fabric with needleweaving form
of needlework that is also a form of lace making. We will start with
fabric as is appropriate for our time period although we will discuss
using a cordonnet thread basis. We will look at period pattern books
and work on a small sample piece suitable for a pin cushion, needle
book, or tin cover.
Instructor: Sabrina de la Bere
Class Limit: 12 maximum - 5 minimum
Fee: $10 for materials and handout
Bring: 5" hoop, fine embroidery scissors, straight pins, small ruler,
blue washable marker, lighting and magnification if you need it for
fine work. If you have a lace pillow bring it or some other firm,
pin-able support like the padding the fighters use in their helmets.

approximately 4 hours
Class will begin at 9:30 am. We will take a brief break for lunch -
please bring a bag lunch. Class will be held in a private home in
Half Moon Bay.

Please reserve your slot with a check made out to Robin Berry and
sent to PO Box 1809, El Granada, CA 94018. Class will be cancelled if
minimum is not reached by March 15th.


In Service,
Sabrina de la Bere, Baroness
Kingdom of the West


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Forwarded from the Middle Kingdom list - Despina

For those who might be interested...
The Hotel Pattee in Perry Iowa is hosting two stitching retreats led
by world-class instructors from London.
The teachers are from the Royal School of Needlework and Britain's
Opus School of Textile Arts.

Some of what they are concentrating on is:
Goldwork
Or Nue (involves stitching colored threads over gold threads to
create a
dimensional and graduated effect)
Natural Silk Shading
There is also a free flowing experimental stichery track available.

If you would like more information please go to the Hotels web site.
http://www.hotelpattee.com/promotions/needleart_conference/
I think this is the third year they have held needlework classes with
teachers from England and I know that they have been amazingly
popular.

You guys have to see this -- why doesn't the West do something like this?
We can each do one or more of the little teeny devices along the border...

>Wow! Look at all that handwoven, hand-dyed stuff...
>
>  The SCA Kingdom of Calontir has been working on a new set of
>coronation copes for about 3 years. They are now done and are being
>shown on these two websites - the first site has a good set
>of "overview" pics, the second site has close-ups. These are
>inspiring.
>
>  http://www.madgoose.net/copes/
>
>  http://home.comcast.net/~maerwynn/index.html
>
>  To quote from the message that brought it to my attention:
>  " All the heraldry pieces were done in hand dyed silk. The bodies
>of the copes are handwoven wool. All the trim and cording was
>handwoven card or inkle loom and I think a little luceting, using
>more silk. The lining for the copes and base fabric for the orphrey
>strips are purchased silk."
> > >
> > > Hrothny


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