Hi all,
I will be on 40 mtr at 13:30 Z - if anyone wants to try for a contact -
7036.5 USB.
I will be using V4Char Version 0.4.3.0 - although having a lot of trouble
with it.
I am also able to try Winmor ARQ keyboard mode if anyone is using it ?

73'
Paul
VK3DPW

Hi Owen:

I'm using a TR7 for all my digi modes and CW most of the time.  My
tested T>R latency runs about 90-110mS.  Suspect others using much newer
equip.  I do have a Tony Parks SDR IF panadapter running on my r4 tho :)

Are the Flex rigs able to get below the 250mS T-R Latency threshold?
That could be the root of the problem.

Curt
KU8L

Owen Mitchell wrote:
>
>
> Ted, it would be nice to know what radio, you and others are running.
> It seems all Flex SDR Radios , I know of, are never able to complete
> the task of receiving and transmitting the V4 system using ARQ.  FEC
> seems to work fine.
>
> Would like to hear from Flex users on their problems.
>
> Owen  KB5XE  Flex 5000
>
> --- On *Sun, 7/31/11, Ted Trostle /<ttrostle35@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Ted Trostle <ttrostle35@...>
>     Subject: Re: [V4Protocol] Operation Questions/ Observations today.
>     To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 4:47 PM
>
>
>     I basically agree with your observations as my experience is
>     similar. The frustrating part I have is that the connection seems
>     to go idle and I never become an ISS and then it times out. I am
>     beginning to believe that signal level, noise and QSB impact the
>     timing sequence of the protocol steps and the expected transition
>     and exchange is not compatible with the conditions.  If I switch
>     to FEC connections every time are very good and the exchange of
>     the conversation flows relatively smooth. When QSB hits and parts
>     of words are missed, just like in CW you can fill in the blanks.
>
>     I would like to test V4 with a rock solid RF connection. With all
>     respect to Rick I'd bet it would be perfect.
>
>     Ted, WB2LOU
>
>
>
>     On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:27 PM, captcurt@...
>     <http://us.mc558.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=captcurt@flash.net>
>     <captcurt@...
>     <http://us.mc558.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=captcurt@flash.net>>
>     wrote:
>
>
>         Hello to all:
>
>         Several times now, during unsuccessful attempts, I will do a
>         ARQ Call to a Callsign and get a CONNECTED TO message and the
>         system starts to cycle the (I think) IDL . The ARQ State is
>         cycling from IRSWaitLeader to TransmitACK (think that is right
>         msg) which is orange.
>
>         So I type in some text and hit CTRL CR and the text goes to
>         the Session text box but the OB Que never changes from 0 to
>         show the text was queued.
>
>         Is this because the text wont go into the queue until I am
>         ISS? I first thought it would queue up and wait for the ISS or
>         does it just stay in the buffer?
>
>         It seems when the system gets into this cycling loop it never
>         exchanges from IRS to ISS and I never am receiving anything
>         from the other station either. Constellation was score 58-60
>         S/N 0 or -1
>
>         Does this just sound like a quality of signal /strength issue
>         in the exchange of ACK etc?
>
>         The basic decoding seems to be pretty good..even printing CQ
>         Requests that are barely heard. But synching up and exchanging
>         is much more sensitive.
>
>         Is there some typical lower threshold of S/N or Constellation
>         score that has been seen so far?
>
>
>
>
>     --
>     You cannot change history, but you can make history !
>     Education is the only legal cure for Ignorance. The Stupidity of
>     many is incurable.
>
>

Hi Owen
I have a Flex 5000 A, Win XP, PSDR 2.1.5, V4 Vers. 4.3.0
Average latency below 100, max. latency below 200
tried on 14073 ARQ mode but no success, Heard a station but no connect.
Not sure how to differenciate between ARQ and FEC. Does V4  automatically switch
the mode depending on partner station? How can I find out which mode to use?
Is this a proplem? Waterfall starts blue, but after the first ARQ CQ-call
changes to black and remains black. Gets blue again when I close and  restart V4
until the first call is made. I think it changes to black when the CW-ID is
sent. CW - ID works now correct with new version 4.3.0.

Arthur

--- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, Owen Mitchell <kb5xe@...> wrote:
>
> Ted, it would be nice to know what radio, you and others are running.
>
> It seems all Flex SDR Radios , I know of, are never able to complete the
task of receiving and transmitting the V4 system using ARQ.  FEC seems to work
fine.
>  
> Would like to hear from Flex users on their problems.
>  
> Owen  KB5XE  Flex 5000
>
> --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Ted Trostle <ttrostle35@...> wrote:
>
>

Hi Ron:

I agree..this is the K3UK (Andy Obrien) sked page that I mentioned
earlier. The only caveat I think, is that while it is great for seeing
who is on, where, setting up tests, immediate test feedback, retries,
and ops help, etc,..we need to remember not everyone is there and any
critical feedback should be entered here.

JMHO

Curt
KU8L

Ron Werthman wrote:
> http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/index.php?board=digitalradio
>
>

 

If you turn down the transmit power to near 0 does it still crash? If not you have RF feedback into the computer. I don’t think there are any other problem like this reported and I am certain it has been run on Win 7 both 32 and 64 bit versions.

 

Rick KN6KB

 

 

From: Jon

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:26 PM

To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [V4Protocol] Win7

 

 

I am having issues with the software crashing the system. Only while transmitting. Win7, USB ptt, both xp compatible mode and native mode. Any ideas?

---

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3800 - Release Date: 07/31/11

A note to say I had my first local and then DX QSO on V4 last night.
First QSO was with local station and neighbour Gerry/EI9FV on 14073.
Using low power we figgered out how the system worked on both FEC and ARQ modes.
Noted the data rate exchange slow compared to the Amtor/Pactor systems we have
used over the years.
]
After the test copied David/K3RQ. A successful QSO established with David on ARQ
and then pleasant chat over about 15 minutes.

The setup is a TS590 using it's built in USB sound interface. The CAT interface
(also on USB) used for PTT. The antenna is a 3 ele TGM mini beam.

Do hope this will encourage more stations to try the mode.

73 de Ned/EI5DS

Hi Ned,
Great to hear you had successful contacts - Very curious which version you
are running ?
I have 0.4.3.0, and not having a lot of luck getting solid long connects.

Cheers

Paul
VK3DPW




At 05:59 PM 03/08/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>A note to say I had my first local and then DX QSO on V4 last night.
>First QSO was with local station and neighbour Gerry/EI9FV on 14073.
>Using low power we figgered out how the system worked on both FEC and ARQ
>modes. Noted the data rate exchange slow compared to the Amtor/Pactor
>systems we have used over the years.
>]
>After the test copied David/K3RQ. A successful QSO established with David
>on ARQ and then pleasant chat over about 15 minutes.
>
>The setup is a TS590 using it's built in USB sound interface. The CAT
>interface (also on USB) used for PTT. The antenna is a 3 ele TGM mini beam.
>
>Do hope this will encourage more stations to try the mode.
>
>73 de Ned/EI5DS
>

George,
I think we connected twice last night on 14073, I believe you copied me OK but
then we failed to change states instead timing out. The second connection
eventualy did change state and I received about 2 frames from you before timeout
occurred.  I guess the signal conditions were not quite up to it.  I later heard
you working an EI station but I could not hear them. Wrong band for that
distance.  Now there are more Europeans around we ought to try 40 metres a bit
more.

Bob

G3WKW

--- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "George Murphy" <murphyga@...> wrote:
>
> Ned (EI5DS),
>
> I certainly enjoyed "connecting" with you last night via "V4 CHAT."  I was
> truly pleased with how well the "ARQ Mode" worked between our stations even
> though the signals were rather week at times.  I look forward to further
> testing of the V4 CHAT app with other digital mode-based stations worldwide
> in the coming months.
>
> Cheers for now and I  look forward to connecting  with  you again via "V4
> CHAT" in the near future.
>
> 73,
> George Murphy, K3RQ
> Milford, New Hampshire
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: ei5ds
> Date: 08/03/11 03:59:57
> To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [V4Protocol] V4 QSO's
>
>
> A note to say I had my first local and then DX QSO on V4 last night.
> First QSO was with local station and neighbour Gerry/EI9FV on 14073.
> Using low power we figgered out how the system worked on both FEC and ARQ
> modes. Noted the data rate exchange slow compared to the Amtor/Pactor
> systems we have used over the years.
> ]
> After the test copied David/K3RQ. A successful QSO established with David on
> ARQ and then pleasant chat over about 15 minutes.
>
> The setup is a TS590 using it's built in USB sound interface. The CAT
> interface (also on USB) used for PTT. The antenna is a 3 ele TGM mini beam.
>
> Do hope this will encourage more stations to try the mode.
>
> 73 de Ned/EI5DS
>

----- Original Message -----

From: ei5ds

To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 07:59

Subject: [V4Protocol] V4 QSO's

 

A note to say I had my first local and then DX QSO on V4 last night.
First QSO was with local station and neighbour Gerry/EI9FV on 14073.
Using low power we figgered out how the system worked on both FEC and ARQ modes. Noted the data rate exchange slow compared to the Amtor/Pactor systems we have used over the years.
]
After the test copied David/K3RQ. A successful QSO established with David on ARQ and then pleasant chat over about 15 minutes.

The setup is a TS590 using it's built in USB sound interface. The CAT interface (also on USB) used for PTT. The antenna is a 3 ele TGM mini beam.

Do hope this will encourage more stations to try the mode.

73 de Ned/EI5DS

I did wonder if it was just finger trouble!  The Control+Enter isn't intuitive,
you just have to Read The Fine Manual. We all expect to be able to use it first
and read the detail later.  It was only 2 days ago that I found the "End" button
for the first time. I had read the manual from cover to cover that day so new it
existed but had never seen it (or had a QSO successful enough to need it)  They
usually ended themselves as ours did.

Bob

G3WKW


--- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "George Murphy" <murphyga@...> wrote:
>
> Bob (G3WKW):
>
> Yes, we did briefly connect last night via V4 Chat's "ARQ Mode."   I think
> the initial problems I was having switching to the "Information Sending
> Station (ISS)" state was due to a personal "cockpit error."  I was not clear
> on how to switch from the "Information Receiving Station (ISS)" to IRS.  The
> "Ctrl & Enter" command suggestion you sent was very helpful and allowed me
> to unload my  "Send State Buffer."  Unfortunately, it seemed as if we lost
> propagation between our stations just as I was learning to properly command
> the V4 Chat's ARQ Mode.  I guess this was just another occurrence of our
> Family Law (.i.e., Murphy's Law)!" Hi.
>
> Bob, it was nice to meet you last night.  I am now heading to lunch but will
> return to the "shack" briefly @1700L this afternoon (8/3) for about 30
> minutes.  If you are around 14073 KHz and we have propagation and the
> frequency is not in use, look for my V4 Chat ARQ-based CQ.  I'll be
> delighted to QSO with you again providing that the frequency is clear/not
> being used and the "prop-path" between our stations is good.  Cheers for now
> and have a great day.
>
> 73,
> George Murphy, K3RQ
> Milford, New Hampshire
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Bob Thornton
> Date: 8/3/2011 10:00:54 AM
> To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: V4 QSO's
>
>
> George,
> I think we connected twice last night on 14073, I believe you copied me OK
> but then we failed to change states instead timing out. The second
> connection eventualy did change state and I received about 2 frames from you
> before timeout occurred. I guess the signal conditions were not quite up to
> it. I later heard you working an EI station but I could not hear them. Wrong
> band for that distance. Now there are more Europeans around we ought to try
> 40 metres a bit more.
>
> Bob
>
> G3WKW
>
> --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "George Murphy" <murphyga@> wrote:
> >
> > Ned (EI5DS),
> >
> > I certainly enjoyed "connecting" with you last night via "V4 CHAT." I was
> > truly pleased with how well the "ARQ Mode" worked between our stations
> even
> > though the signals were rather week at times. I look forward to further
> > testing of the V4 CHAT app with other digital mode-based stations
> worldwide
> > in the coming months.
> >
> > Cheers for now and I look forward to connecting with you again via "V4
> > CHAT" in the near future.
> >
> > 73,
> > George Murphy, K3RQ
> > Milford, New Hampshire
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: ei5ds
> > Date: 08/03/11 03:59:57
> > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [V4Protocol] V4 QSO's
> >
> >
> > A note to say I had my first local and then DX QSO on V4 last night.
> > First QSO was with local station and neighbour Gerry/EI9FV on 14073.
> > Using low power we figgered out how the system worked on both FEC and ARQ
> > modes. Noted the data rate exchange slow compared to the Amtor/Pactor
> > systems we have used over the years.
> > ]
> > After the test copied David/K3RQ. A successful QSO established with David
> on
> > ARQ and then pleasant chat over about 15 minutes.
> >
> > The setup is a TS590 using it's built in USB sound interface. The CAT
> > interface (also on USB) used for PTT. The antenna is a 3 ele TGM mini beam
>
> >
> > Do hope this will encourage more stations to try the mode.
> >
> > 73 de Ned/EI5DS
> >
>

GM Sir:

As you have no doubt seen in the help files and the state diagrams, the
operator cannot actually change the state from IRS to ISS. THe only
thing you can do is to move the typed text from the input window to the
rich-text action window by using CTRL +CR(ENTER). Once that is done, it
is then up to the ISS station to complete sending its Queue and when
that happens, your waiting QUEUE will signal the ISS for a transfer.
Without solid ACK/NAK and Synch of frames, etc, the transfer will not
take place. From what I have seen so far, it all works like a charm as
long as the link quality is high enough.

While the documentation indicates that FEC mode is less robust than ARQ,
it is referring, I think to the ability to transfer a file w/o errors.
If you can copy FEC frames, the brain is great at filling in blanks.

In order for ARQ to work, the link must stay solid over a greater period
of time to ensure the the transfer and ACK of all the frames in the
Queue , transfers, etc before it times out. QSB, QRN, QRM, etc APPEAR to
disrupt ARQ more than FEC but it is the same. Its just that ARQ is ALL
PERFECT exchanges or nothing (TIMEOUT)

Cheers

Curt
KU8L

George Murphy wrote:
>
> Bob (G3WKW),
> In the attached memo, I meant to say ".....how to switch from the
> "Information Receiving Station (IRS) to Information Sending Station
> (ISS) state/mode." The V4 Chat's "Help file" has been very useful in
> my attempt to better understand the internals and how to proper
> operate this new digital mode.
> - George Murphy (K3RQ) sends...
> #NNNN
> /-------Original Message-------/
> /*From:*/ George Murphy <mailto:murphyga@...>
> /*Date:*/ 8/3/2011 12:39:42 PM
> /*To:*/ V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com <mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com>
> /*Subject:*/ Re: [V4Protocol] Re: V4 QSO's
> Bob (G3WKW):
> Yes, we did briefly connect last night via V4 Chat's "ARQ Mode." I
> think the initial problems I was having switching to the "Information
> Sending Station (ISS)" state was due to a personal "cockpit error." I
> was not clear on how to switch from the "Information Receiving Station
> (ISS)" to IRS. The "Ctrl & Enter" command suggestion you sent was very
> helpful and allowed me to unload my "Send State Buffer."
> Unfortunately, it seemed as if we lost propagation between our
> stations just as I was learning to properly command the V4 Chat's ARQ
> Mode. I guess this was just another occurrence of our "Family Law
> (.i.e., Murphy's Law)!" Hi.
> Bob, it was nice to meet you last night. I am now heading to lunch but
> will return to the "shack" briefly @1700L this afternoon (8/3) for
> about 30 minutes. If you are around 14073 KHz and we have propagation
> and the frequency is not in use, look for my V4 Chat ARQ-based CQ.
> I'll be delighted to QSO with you again providing that the frequency
> is clear/not being used and the "prop-path" between our stations is
> good. Cheers for now and have a great day.
> 73,
> George Murphy, K3RQ
> Milford, New Hampshire
> /-------Original Message-------/
> /*From:*/ Bob Thornton <mailto:bob.thornton@...>
> /*Date:*/ 8/3/2011 10:00:54 AM
> /*To:*/ V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com <mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com>
> /*Subject:*/ [V4Protocol] Re: V4 QSO's
>
> George,
> I think we connected twice last night on 14073, I believe you copied
> me OK but then we failed to change states instead timing out. The
> second connection eventualy did change state and I received about 2
> frames from you before timeout occurred. I guess the signal conditions
> were not quite up to it. I later heard you working an EI station but I
> could not hear them. Wrong band for that distance. Now there are more
> Europeans around we ought to try 40 metres a bit more.
>
> Bob
>
> G3WKW
>
> --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>, "George Murphy" <murphyga@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ned (EI5DS),
> >
> > I certainly enjoyed "connecting" with you last night via "V4 CHAT."
> I was
> > truly pleased with how well the "ARQ Mode" worked between our
> stations even
> > though the signals were rather week at times. I look forward to further
> > testing of the V4 CHAT app with other digital mode-based stations
> worldwide
> > in the coming months.
> >
> > Cheers for now and I look forward to connecting with you again via "V4
> > CHAT" in the near future.
> >
> > 73,
> > George Murphy, K3RQ
> > Milford, New Hampshire
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: ei5ds
> > Date: 08/03/11 03:59:57
> > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [V4Protocol] V4 QSO's
> >
> >
> > A note to say I had my first local and then DX QSO on V4 last night.
> > First QSO was with local station and neighbour Gerry/EI9FV on 14073.
> > Using low power we figgered out how the system worked on both FEC
> and ARQ
> > modes. Noted the data rate exchange slow compared to the Amtor/Pactor
> > systems we have used over the years.
> > ]
> > After the test copied David/K3RQ. A successful QSO established with
> David on
> > ARQ and then pleasant chat over about 15 minutes.
> >
> > T! he setup is a TS590 using it's built in USB sound interface. The CAT
> > interface (also on USB) used for PTT. The antenna is a 3 ele TGM
> mini beam.
> >
> > Do hope this will encourage more stations to try the mode.
> >
> > 73 de Ned/EI5DS
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, you can't make it change IRS>ISS but you can certainly stop it by not
having  any data to send.  Rick has said several times that it is called V4 Chat
for a reason!  You need to have something in the buffer ready for when the other
guy runs out of things to say. No need to wait to become ISS before you start
typing a response.  I don't believe your outgoing buffer size is updated until
you become the ISS.  I guess that is because the buffer size is shown on the TNC
panel and perhaps the text is held in the Chat program until you become ISS.

We had been connected for several minutes with a lot of IDLE being sent.  I had
sent an extra BTU and KK to keep the link from timing out then I sent
"CTRL+ENTER" and George responded.  But then I think propagation probably got
the better of us.  Now I know it was George's first ARQ  QSO I feel better about
the program's reliability.

Bob

G3WKW


--- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, Curt Nixon <captcurt@...> wrote:
>
> GM Sir:
>
> As you have no doubt seen in the help files and the state diagrams, the
> operator cannot actually change the state from IRS to ISS. THe only
> thing you can do is to move the typed text from the input window to the
> rich-text action window by using CTRL +CR(ENTER). Once that is done, it
> is then up to the ISS station to complete sending its Queue and when
> that happens, your waiting QUEUE will signal the ISS for a transfer.
> Without solid ACK/NAK and Synch of frames, etc, the transfer will not
> take place. From what I have seen so far, it all works like a charm as
> long as the link quality is high enough.
>
> While the documentation indicates that FEC mode is less robust than ARQ,
> it is referring, I think to the ability to transfer a file w/o errors.
> If you can copy FEC frames, the brain is great at filling in blanks.
>
> In order for ARQ to work, the link must stay solid over a greater period
> of time to ensure the the transfer and ACK of all the frames in the
> Queue , transfers, etc before it times out. QSB, QRN, QRM, etc APPEAR to
> disrupt ARQ more than FEC but it is the same. Its just that ARQ is ALL
> PERFECT exchanges or nothing (TIMEOUT)
>
> Cheers
>
> Curt
> KU8L
>
> George Murphy wrote:
> >
> > Bob (G3WKW),
> > In the attached memo, I meant to say ".....how to switch from the
> > "Information Receiving Station (IRS) to Information Sending Station
> > (ISS) state/mode." The V4 Chat's "Help file" has been very useful in
> > my attempt to better understand the internals and how to proper
> > operate this new digital mode.
> > - George Murphy (K3RQ) sends...
> > #NNNN
> > /-------Original Message-------/
> > /*From:*/ George Murphy <mailto:murphyga@...>
> > /*Date:*/ 8/3/2011 12:39:42 PM
> > /*To:*/ V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com <mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com>
> > /*Subject:*/ Re: [V4Protocol] Re: V4 QSO's
> > Bob (G3WKW):
> > Yes, we did briefly connect last night via V4 Chat's "ARQ Mode." I
> > think the initial problems I was having switching to the "Information
> > Sending Station (ISS)" state was due to a personal "cockpit error." I
> > was not clear on how to switch from the "Information Receiving Station
> > (ISS)" to IRS. The "Ctrl & Enter" command suggestion you sent was very
> > helpful and allowed me to unload my "Send State Buffer."
> > Unfortunately, it seemed as if we lost propagation between our
> > stations just as I was learning to properly command the V4 Chat's ARQ
> > Mode. I guess this was just another occurrence of our "Family Law
> > (.i.e., Murphy's Law)!" Hi.
> > Bob, it was nice to meet you last night. I am now heading to lunch but
> > will return to the "shack" briefly @1700L this afternoon (8/3) for
> > about 30 minutes. If you are around 14073 KHz and we have propagation
> > and the frequency is not in use, look for my V4 Chat ARQ-based CQ.
> > I'll be delighted to QSO with you again providing that the frequency
> > is clear/not being used and the "prop-path" between our stations is
> > good. Cheers for now and have a great day.
> > 73,
> > George Murphy, K3RQ
> > Milford, New Hampshire
> > /-------Original Message-------/
> > /*From:*/ Bob Thornton <mailto:bob.thornton@...>
> > /*Date:*/ 8/3/2011 10:00:54 AM
> > /*To:*/ V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com <mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com>
> > /*Subject:*/ [V4Protocol] Re: V4 QSO's
> >
> > George,
> > I think we connected twice last night on 14073, I believe you copied
> > me OK but then we failed to change states instead timing out. The
> > second connection eventualy did change state and I received about 2
> > frames from you before timeout occurred. I guess the signal conditions
> > were not quite up to it. I later heard you working an EI station but I
> > could not hear them. Wrong band for that distance. Now there are more
> > Europeans around we ought to try 40 metres a bit more.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > G3WKW
> >
> > --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>, "George Murphy" <murphyga@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ned (EI5DS),
> > >
> > > I certainly enjoyed "connecting" with you last night via "V4 CHAT."
> > I was
> > > truly pleased with how well the "ARQ Mode" worked between our
> > stations even
> > > though the signals were rather week at times. I look forward to further
> > > testing of the V4 CHAT app with other digital mode-based stations
> > worldwide
> > > in the coming months.
> > >
> > > Cheers for now and I look forward to connecting with you again via "V4
> > > CHAT" in the near future.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > George Murphy, K3RQ
> > > Milford, New Hampshire
> > >
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: ei5ds
> > > Date: 08/03/11 03:59:57
> > > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [V4Protocol] V4 QSO's
> > >
> > >
> > > A note to say I had my first local and then DX QSO on V4 last night.
> > > First QSO was with local station and neighbour Gerry/EI9FV on 14073.
> > > Using low power we figgered out how the system worked on both FEC
> > and ARQ
> > > modes. Noted the data rate exchange slow compared to the Amtor/Pactor
> > > systems we have used over the years.
> > > ]
> > > After the test copied David/K3RQ. A successful QSO established with
> > David on
> > > ARQ and then pleasant chat over about 15 minutes.
> > >
> > > T! he setup is a TS590 using it's built in USB sound interface. The CAT
> > > interface (also on USB) used for PTT. The antenna is a 3 ele TGM
> > mini beam.
> > >
> > > Do hope this will encourage more stations to try the mode.
> > >
> > > 73 de Ned/EI5DS
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi Bob:

Yes..that is what I observed regarding the OB Queue..it seems it doesn't
update the OB Queue until you become the ISS even though there may be
test there in Chat waiting to go.

I also had the CTRL +CR problem for a while when I started..its right
there in the doc's but it isn't intuitive for a old fart like me!

Cheers and keep having fun. Perhaps condx will improve soon and we can
do some transatlantic chat.

CUL

73

Curt
KU8L

Bob Thornton wrote:
>
> Yes, you can't make it change IRS>ISS but you can certainly stop it by
> not having any data to send. Rick has said several times that it is
> called V4 Chat for a reason! You need to have something in the buffer
> ready for when the other guy runs out of things to say. No need to
> wait to become ISS before you start typing a response. I don't believe
> your outgoing buffer size is updated until you become the ISS. I guess
> that is because the buffer size is shown on the TNC panel and perhaps
> the text is held in the Chat program until you become ISS.
>
> We had been connected for several minutes with a lot of IDLE being
> sent. I had sent an extra BTU and KK to keep the link from timing out
> then I sent "CTRL+ENTER" and George responded. But then I think
> propagation probably got the better of us. Now I know it was George's
> first ARQ QSO I feel better about the program's reliability.
>
> Bob
>
> G3WKW
>
> --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>, Curt Nixon <captcurt@...> wrote:
> >
> > GM Sir:
> >
> > As you have no doubt seen in the help files and the state diagrams, the
> > operator cannot actually change the state from IRS to ISS. THe only
> > thing you can do is to move the typed text from the input window to the
> > rich-text action window by using CTRL +CR(ENTER). Once that is done, it
> > is then up to the ISS station to complete sending its Queue and when
> > that happens, your waiting QUEUE will signal the ISS for a transfer.
> > Without solid ACK/NAK and Synch of frames, etc, the transfer will not
> > take place. From what I have seen so far, it all works like a charm as
> > long as the link quality is high enough.
> >
> > While the documentation indicates that FEC mode is less robust than
> ARQ,
> > it is referring, I think to the ability to transfer a file w/o errors.
> > If you can copy FEC frames, the brain is great at filling in blanks.
> >
> > In order for ARQ to work, the link must stay solid over a greater
> period
> > of time to ensure the the transfer and ACK of all the frames in the
> > Queue , transfers, etc before it times out. QSB, QRN, QRM, etc
> APPEAR to
> > disrupt ARQ more than FEC but it is the same. Its just that ARQ is ALL
> > PERFECT exchanges or nothing (TIMEOUT)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Curt
> > KU8L
> >
> > George Murphy wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob (G3WKW),
> > > In the attached memo, I meant to say ".....how to switch from the
> > > "Information Receiving Station (IRS) to Information Sending Station
> > > (ISS) state/mode." The V4 Chat's "Help file" has been very useful in
> > > my attempt to better understand the internals and how to proper
> > > operate this new digital mode.
> > > - George Murphy (K3RQ) sends...
> > > #NNNN
> > > /-------Original Message-------/
> > > /*From:*/ George Murphy <mailto:murphyga@...>
> > > /*Date:*/ 8/3/2011 12:39:42 PM
> > > /*To:*/ V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > /*Subject:*/ Re: [V4Protocol] Re: V4 QSO's
> > > Bob (G3WKW):
> > > Yes, we did briefly connect last night via V4 Chat's "ARQ Mode." I
> > > think the initial problems I was having switching to the "Information
> > > Sending Station (ISS)" state was due to a personal "cockpit error." I
> > > was not clear on how to switch from the "Information Receiving
> Station
> > > (ISS)" to IRS. The "Ctrl & Enter" command suggestion you sent was
> very
> > > helpful and allowed me to unload my "Send State Buffer."
> > > Unfortunately, it seemed as if we lost propagation between our
> > > stations just as I was learning to properly command the V4 Chat's ARQ
> > > Mode. I guess this was just another occurrence of our "Family Law
> > > (.i.e., Murphy's Law)!" Hi.
> > > Bob, it was nice to meet you last night. I am now heading to lunch
> but
> > > will return to the "shack" briefly @1700L this afternoon (8/3) for
> > > about 30 minutes. If you are around 14073 KHz and we have propagation
> > > and the frequency is not in use, look for my V4 Chat ARQ-based CQ.
> > > I'll be delighted to QSO with you again providing that the frequency
> > > is clear/not being used and the "prop-path" between our stations is
> > > good. Cheers for now and have a great day.
> > > 73,
> > > George Murphy, K3RQ
> > > Milford, New Hampshire
> > > /-------Original Message-------/
> > > /*From:*/ Bob Thornton <mailto:bob.thornton@...>
> > > /*Date:*/ 8/3/2011 10:00:54 AM
> > > /*To:*/ V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > /*Subject:*/ [V4Protocol] Re: V4 QSO's
> > >
> > > George,
> > > I think we connected twice last night on 14073, I believe you copied
> > > me OK but then we failed to change states instead timing out. The
> > > second connection eventualy did change state and I received about 2
> > > frames from you before timeout occurred. I guess the signal
> conditions
> > > were not quite up to it. I later heard you working an EI station
> but I
> > > could not hear them. Wrong band for that distance. Now there are more
> > > Europeans around we ought to try 40 metres a bit more.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > G3WKW
> > >
> > > --- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>, "George Murphy" <murphyga@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ned (EI5DS),
> > > >
> > > > I certainly enjoyed "connecting" with you last night via "V4 CHAT."
> > > I was
> > > > truly pleased with how well the "ARQ Mode" worked between our
> > > stations even
> > > > though the signals were rather week at times. I look forward to
> further
> > > > testing of the V4 CHAT app with other digital mode-based stations
> > > worldwide
> > > > in the coming months.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers for now and I look forward to connecting with you again
> via "V4
> > > > CHAT" in the near future.
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > > George Murphy, K3RQ
> > > > Milford, New Hampshire
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------Original Message-------
> > > >
> > > > From: ei5ds
> > > > Date: 08/03/11 03:59:57
> > > > To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:V4Protocol%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [V4Protocol] V4 QSO's
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A note to say I had my first local and then DX QSO on V4 last night.
> > > > First QSO was with local station and neighbour Gerry/EI9FV on 14073.
> > > > Using low power we figgered out how the system worked on both FEC
> > > and ARQ
> > > > modes. Noted the data rate exchange slow compared to the
> Amtor/Pactor
> > > > systems we have used over the years.
> > > > ]
> > > > After the test copied David/K3RQ. A successful QSO established with
> > > David on
> > > > ARQ and then pleasant chat over about 15 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > T! he setup is a TS590 using it's built in USB sound interface.
> The CAT
> > > > interface (also on USB) used for PTT. The antenna is a 3 ele TGM
> > > mini beam.
> > > >
> > > > Do hope this will encourage more stations to try the mode.
> > > >
> > > > 73 de Ned/EI5DS
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

 

I'm monitoring in Delaware and am currently copying W9IB and EI5DS using V4 on 14.073.  I'm not yet able to reply, but am glad I'm finally copying ok.

 

Pat WA3QHJ

I recieve junk with a red line through it while idle in ARC mode. I thought the
red line was for FEC mode. Just curious

VA3ACZ

Frequency 14.073 MHz.
My station: Kenwood TS2000 running abt 50 watts to 135 foot long OCF dipole
oriented in the North-South direction. Computer Toshiba laptop with 4 GB memory
and duo processor. O/S Vista 64 bit. Interface SignaLink USB outboard soundcard.
Lots of split-core ferrites on all leads (the only place there is no ferrite is
in my nose hi hi)

Too many things happening at the same time so I used "canned" messages a lot and
may have inserted text before Ron ended his transmissions.

Connected to KK7Z at 03:24:14Z and disconnected at approx 03:46Z.

Ron's typing was clear without any brown crossed out garbage until the end of
contact.

Sent a couple of logs to Rick.

Good show Rick & Co.

73, Deme, VE7CRT.

Forgot to mention: the qso was in ARQ mode.
--- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Demetrius Panaioti" <deme@...> wrote:
>
> Frequency 14.073 MHz.
> My station: Kenwood TS2000 running abt 50 watts to 135 foot long OCF dipole
oriented in the North-South direction. Computer Toshiba laptop with 4 GB memory
and duo processor. O/S Vista 64 bit. Interface SignaLink USB outboard soundcard.
Lots of split-core ferrites on all leads (the only place there is no ferrite is
in my nose hi hi)
>
> Too many things happening at the same time so I used "canned" messages a lot
and may have inserted text before Ron ended his transmissions.
>
> Connected to KK7Z at 03:24:14Z and disconnected at approx 03:46Z.
>
> Ron's typing was clear without any brown crossed out garbage until the end of
contact.
>
> Sent a couple of logs to Rick.
>
> Good show Rick & Co.
>
> 73, Deme, VE7CRT.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Settle

To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:59 PM

Subject: RE: [V4Protocol] Re: First Successful V4Chat qso with Ron KK7Z in Gurnee Illinois.

 

Deme and I had a great time last night chatting it up on V4.  It was 2 newbs just pounding away on the keyboard! ;-)    The software worked great.  Deme printed without error on my end and from the sounds of things, the only errors in my print were the ones I fat fingered in!!! ;-)  This was also my very first attempt at V4.

I was running 50Watts into a Cushcraft A3 at 40 feet pointed approximately in his direction.

Thanks

73

Ron

KK7Z

From: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com [mailto:V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Demetrius Panaioti
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:24 PM
To: V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [V4Protocol] Re: First Successful V4Chat qso with Ron KK7Z in Gurnee Illinois.

 

Forgot to mention: the qso was in ARQ mode.
--- In V4Protocol@yahoogroups.com, "Demetrius Panaioti" <deme@...> wrote:
>
> Frequency 14.073 MHz.
> My station: Kenwood TS2000 running abt 50 watts to 135 foot long OCF dipole oriented in the North-South direction. Computer Toshiba laptop with 4 GB memory and duo processor. O/S Vista 64 bit. Interface SignaLink USB outboard soundcard. Lots of split-core ferrites on all leads (the only place there is no ferrite is in my nose hi hi)
>
> Too many things happening at the same time so I used "canned" messages a lot and may have inserted text before Ron ended his transmissions.
>
> Connected to KK7Z at 03:24:14Z and disconnected at approx 03:46Z.
>
> Ron's typing was clear without any brown crossed out garbage until the end of contact.
>
> Sent a couple of logs to Rick.
>
> Good show Rick & Co.
>
> 73, Deme, VE7CRT.
>

Rick 1st of all your note this morning about lowering the rig vox, that idea
really works. About 042035Z we went to 14073 usb, started cqing. At 042040z here
comes WB6JFH DEER PARK WA. We started with scores in lo 80's, by conclusion got
into the 90's. Dave hit a 97. Many thanks for all the help. Patience does pay
off. Both newbys, hw abt that. 73 Ed WD9DVA