I know that I said that I wouldn't do this anymore,but here goes.Let the
condemnation begin.Trina,I will be in touch with Roger by phone to find out what
it would take to start a group here in Michigan.Him & I haven't had a
conversation in two years,so it will be good to talk to him.
                                Rev.Steve

Roger Christie <pakaloha@...> wrote:

Hello THC Ministry Newsletter Subscribers,


Aloha. How's it going, wherever you are? I hope this finds you well and
happy with sufficient sacrament for your highest prayers.


*****


Thanks for signing-up online to receive the THC Ministry Newsletter. The
newsletter is about to become a weekly service delivered into your email box
providing you with important news updates, announcements, blessings, plans
for the future of our ministry and much more.



*****


I'd like to hear from you about what state or country you're from. This
list is made-up of approximately 150 people who have signed-up specifically
to receive the THC Ministry Newsletter. Please let us know if you would be
willing to have your email listed here for others to see, or not. Mahalo.


*****


What would you like to see included in future newsletters? Please express
yourself, OK? Thanks.


*****


We have now tens of thousands of people who have signed-up online as members
of the THC Ministry from approximately 40 different foreign (to me)
countries. Hopefully in next week's newsletter we can print the exact
numbers and the countries represented here, too.


*****


I read this past week that the USA arrested a new record number of its
citizens for 'marijuana crimes' in the year 2003! :-{ (Where's the
blessing in THAT?) As always, the vast majority of those arrested were for
'simple possession' of under one ounce. This is just the type of non-crime
that our religious 'defense to prosecution' works the best for. Please help
to spread the word in your area or state that the THC Ministry works. Let's
get 'er done and help to make the arrest figures go down to zero as soon as
possible!


*****


Our historic Federal complaint for a permanent injunction against Attorney
General John Ashcroft, D.E.A. Administrator Karen Tandy and Federal
Prosecutor Ed Kubo had been voluntarily dismissed by me last month. I had
it dismissed specifically to remove our (former) lawyer from the case, to
tighten-up our THC Ministry paperwork and doctrine, to remove any of our
associates who lost interest in being a plaintiff, and to re-write and
re-file it at a time of my or our choosing.

Coincidentially, the US Government included mention of our lawsuit in the US
Supreme Court medical marijuana case of Angel Raich, due to be heard in late
November. Stay tuned for updates on this extremely important case that we
are a part of.


*****


Please register your thoughts on our (former) lawsuit and give your
suggestions for our next one on our forums at thc-ministry.net and
thc-ministry.org. We can use some bright new ideas, more creative
preparation, solid and simple inspiration, and some cash for legal fees.
Mahalo for helping-out.


*****


Statistics of arrests or cases we have won (43), or lost * (1).

* Rev. Meghan Jones (age 22) of New York State is our first pure loss in
court. Her case is being appealed by the ACLU, so it's not over, yet.

Meghan defended herself admirably in court without a lawyer and is a great
credit to our ministry. She proved herself to be sincere, bold, courageous,
authentic and smart. Way to go, Meghan! We love and support you.


*****


Prayer and contact info. for THC members who are in jail or prison. *

1. Michael Barnes 95007-022 (Federal Detention)
F.D.C. Honolulu
P.O. Box 30080
Honolulu, Hawaii 96820

2. Dave Truszkowski ADC No. 188141 (State Prison)
ASTC Safford
Fort Grant Unit
P.O. Box 2500
Safford, Arizona 85548

3. Robert McClure - Virginia State Prison
address to be announced

4. Roy Shortt Half-way house
Rt. 3 Box 1
Sneedville, Tennessee 37869


5. Gregory Karl Davis - Georgia State Prison
address to be announced


* Each of these men became a THC Ministry member AFTER the fact, are in
prison for a non-cannabis charge, or were convicted of a large, commercial
amount of cannabis. They are loved, and in my opinion they all deserve our
support with a monthly letter of encouragement. How about it?

Each member in jail or prison is also a potential minister who might be
ready, able and eager to spread the good word of the THC Ministry throughout
their institution. Think about it.

* Caution: Remember that all prison mail is read first by a guard.


*****


As I learn the mechanics of layout and presentation with Ferre and others to
help, I'm sure we'll develop an inspiring, informative and useful
communication tool here. If any of you receiving this has ideas,
suggestions or comments for helping to make the newsletter a terrific
reality, please advise me by email.


*****


This last week I was able to make a useful quantity of holy anointing oil
during the full moon - lunar eclipse. If you're a member in good standing
and would like to order some, it's available now in a practitioner-size
quantity for a $50. donation, and a minister-size quantity for a $75.
donation. Mahalo ke akua. (Thanks to God.)


How did I do? :-}


All the very best to you and yours!


Much love, Roger







THC
The Hawai'i Cannabis Ministry
"We use cannabis religiously and you can, too."
www.thc-ministry.org
(808) 961-0488



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"From an American Cypriot Voter":
http://cyprusindymedia.org/english.html
also at:
http://cyprus-imc-english.nysindy.org/feature/display/706/index.php

Petros
------------------

**The State of the (Diabolical) Union Address**
by Rev. Dr. Alan E. Fuller, D.D.

     What is with this country?
     Openly gay men and women are permitted jobs. We're
permitted to serve in the Armed Forces. We're permitted to
honor our rights to not be discriminated against on the job.
We're told that we're loved by family and friends who happen
to be tolerant (not supportive or affirmative, mind you, but
just tolerant). We're permitted to vote for the
administration of our government, and we're afforded the "
... certain inalienable rights, among these life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness." Yet, we're not supposed to
get married, adopt children, kiss, have sex, eat well,
purchase good homes together, have decent life insurance
policies, or be a family with our partners.
     When relationships are not respected, all hell breaks
loose ... including the hate-crimes associated with not
being legally recognized and protected.
     And the FMA isn't just about gay people. Do you realize
that the FMA bans recognition all across the country of the
(as in Kentucky) five-year-live-in laws? Do you know that
there are certain authorities who won't be allowed to
perform marriages anymore? Do you realize that certain
marriages heretofore performed by these authorities will no
longer be legally recognized marriages, and that those
current five-year-live-in marriages will no longer be valid?
     "We're protecting the sanctity of marriage in our
country," says the government, but where is it? What is it?
What is sacred or sanctioned about it if it doesn't exist?
     The Constitution of the United States of America is a
sacred document, set into law by the signatures of those who
founded our country. They were a diverse group with some
(not all) common beliefs. And because of that, they gathered
together in a celebration of the unity found in their
diversity, and set into motion a campaign to found a country
based on values. Real values. Values that honored other
people. Values that granted the recognition of rights that
people are inherently born into and with. Values that left
no one behind in the race to a happy, productive life.
     But we are no longer that country.
     We are no longer afforded the opportunities for life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm not talking about
gay marriage anymore, folks. I'm talking about the right to
a career that means something to you, whether you're
straight, gay, bisexual, transgender, transexual, neosexual,
asexual or antisexual.
     We're not allowed to smoke ciggarettes in certain places
anymore. It doesn't matter that it's *my* health I'm
endangering ... so long as it doesn't interfere with the
right of another to bring litigation against McDonaldsT for
their own obesity.
     We're not allowed to will our belongings to the people
we want to have them anymore upon our deaths. It doesn't
matter that I don't want Jimmy Joe Bob to have my stereo
system, so long as it doesn't go to my gay life partner.
     Our freedom is at stake. Our right to be human is at
stake.
     It's sad to say, but I don't think the people realize
the enormity of the mistake that was made in Election '04.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

* Friends:
The exchange below, takes as its point of departure a discussion about the
entity named Valis, referred to by the author  Philip K. Dick in a small number
of books he wrote close to the end of his life.
One does not need to have read any of the books to follow what's being discussed
here - within a few  lines, the meaning of the material is entirely obvious.
-Petros


Dana Beal (sort of) wrote:
"...You could say I represented the VALIS faction...
That is to say, I think VALIS not just autobiographical, but really happening.
And I think I figured out the key to all ...because it has to do with the
subject matter, and not the literal texts of Philip K. Dick's books."

Dana/cnw
---------------

Hello Dana,

This excerpt above from your previous letter, contains all the reasons why I
joined this email group ( philipkdick@yahoogroups.com ), and also the reasons
why I live and work the way I do, including my path in life through political
and spiritually- motivated activism, work in healthcare, and worship.

During the course of about a year, through a difficult mental- emotional process
I slowly and reluntantly woke up to the reality of Valis which you mentioned
above. That  year was around 1988/89 and I've been ....blown away by its
immensity ever since.

I feel that for people who are  plugged into the context of the radical and
alternative community as political activists, or even better, as spiritually
motivated radical activists, as class- warrior servants of the Spirit {
Psychedelic Bolsheviks, so to speak } it might be a little easier to comprehend
the unbearable immensity of what you wrote.

It's easy to go crazy and to "loose it all" when a person who is isolated, or
who is active mostly as an individual, cut off from collectivity, becomes aware
that the Vast Intelligence is not science fiction but an Active Living entity, a
feature of reality sprung directly from the core of the Divine. A single
isolated human being, especially in today's modern world which glorifies the
cult of individualism through an obsessive fetishism of the spectacle at the
marketplace, is very vulnerable to losing ones' mind and becoming entirely
dysfunctional if/when exposed to the bare truth of Valis.


Valis is Valid, and Vast

Collectives, tribal entities, co-op households, radical unions, music bands,
long- term affinity groups, polyamorous relationship webs, intentional families,
pantheist and pagan congregations or covens, politically engaged spiritual
assemblies of mystics from the genuine esoteric branches of the judaeo-
chrictian- islamic- bahai traditions, and other similar politico- spiritual and/
or sexual group entities, are able to provide a loving embrace and practical
opportunities for an individual to merge with the wider entity to some degree,
in a manner similar to Communion with Valis, and to cultivate a harmonious
relationship to the Divine in this way, expanding the limits of  comprehension
at a comfortable pace, slowly, healthily, and with reverence for the Object of
that sacred union.

Otherwise, our human awareness, being as it is an industrial product no
different than sausages spewed out by modern factories, an awareness born of a
shallow educational system, television, and of (mostly) dysfunctional nuclear
families, is unable to loosen up its barriers in an appropriate manner to unite
as a single individual consciousness with the Vast Cosciousness of Cosmic
proportions which the Living Light, Valis, constitutes. The rigid, unprepared
(or individualist) person's fate is then condemned to be that of the butterfly
of the night, the moth: as moths to a flame, we seek to unite with the All, and
get burned.

Another, indispensible part of the relationship with Valis, is the need to
process the experiences of Union, to process the emotions and information and
healing potential which gets stirred up by such encounters. Always, the burning
questions remain "What to do with all of this"? All of the information,
instructions, revelations, directives, gifts of Grace from the Divine which are
bestowed on us by contact with Valis, need a conduit to transmit them, a fertile
soil to seed, a machinery to fuel: single individuals cut off from a collective
social process are unfortunately only as good as a cauldron trying to contain a
nuclear bomb. As vessels made of living matter, even when we've had a lifetime
of attunenment and cultivation of our abilities, we are too small to contain
even a sliver of the grand and penultimate awareness which stems directly from
the Source of time, gravity, light, and matter. Collective entities such as the
ones named above, if organized and operating well
  , are small social organisms within whose embrace we become more able to
process our experiences of sacramental Union with Valis and/or with other
emanations of the Divine, and ...survine! Not only that, but with our
colleagues, comrades, lovers, friends, fellow travellers, to find pathways to
actualize - put into action - the knowledge or information or emotional wisdom
we access by contact with the Vast Intelligence.


I've been very reluctant to accept these truths, and I still struggle with them.
But every day brings more - unbearable! signs - subtle and mindblowing reminders
of intergalactic wisdom permeating everything I get involved with. At some point
or another, I must find a way to accept that even at best, I'm only an
instrument of an Intelligence of Cosmic dimensions, which, has gracefully
allowed me the freedom to choose whether to be such an instrument or not. And
then of course, there's the constant burning questions "What to do with all
this"?

Some relevant reading, grouped by themes:

Tripping the Sour Singularity Oneness
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Entheogens/message/1914


Fingerprints of the Gods - "pre-tribal" structures
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Entheogens/message/970

Re: Fingerprints of the Gods - "pre-tribal" / Joseph
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Entheogens/message/1063

Re: [Entheogens] Fingerprints of the Gods - "pre-tribal" structures  / Glenn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Entheogens/message/980


Eleusinian Mysteries?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Entheogens/message/889

On the nature of Reality; the underlying structure of the Universe / Dana
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Entheogens/message/575


fetishizing the substance / Glenn
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Entheogens/message/87


The Body
http://www.burleehost.net/cyprus/the_body.htm

Petros
http://petros-Evdokas.cyprus-org.net/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Items from
http://Cyprus.Indymedia.org
       * * *

"Four more years? !!":
http://cyprusindymedia.org/english.html
Further conversations with an American Cypriot voter

also at:
http://cyprus-imc-english.nysindy.org/feature/display/712/index.php

Petros
------------------

This election just goes to show why people with higher IQs are more likely to
be depressed than people with average or low IQs.  When you realize you are
outnumbered by idiots it's difficult NOT to be depressed.  Cogito ergo deleo.
  I think, therefore I am depressed.
Regards,
Sparks


On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:58:50 -0500
   "Alan E. Fuller" <alanefuller@...> wrote:
>     **The State of the (Diabolical) Union Address**
> by Rev. Dr. Alan E. Fuller, D.D.
>
>     What is with this country?
>     Openly gay men and women are permitted jobs. We're
> permitted to serve in the Armed Forces. We're permitted to
> honor our rights to not be discriminated against on the job.
> We're told that we're loved by family and friends who happen
> to be tolerant (not supportive or affirmative, mind you, but
> just tolerant). We're permitted to vote for the
> administration of our government, and we're afforded the "
> ... certain inalienable rights, among these life, liberty,
> and the pursuit of happiness." Yet, we're not supposed to
> get married, adopt children, kiss, have sex, eat well,
> purchase good homes together, have decent life insurance
> policies, or be a family with our partners.
>     When relationships are not respected, all hell breaks
> loose ... including the hate-crimes associated with not
> being legally recognized and protected.
>     And the FMA isn't just about gay people. Do you realize
> that the FMA bans recognition all across the country of the
> (as in Kentucky) five-year-live-in laws? Do you know that
> there are certain authorities who won't be allowed to
> perform marriages anymore? Do you realize that certain
> marriages heretofore performed by these authorities will no
> longer be legally recognized marriages, and that those
> current five-year-live-in marriages will no longer be valid?
>     "We're protecting the sanctity of marriage in our
> country," says the government, but where is it? What is it?
> What is sacred or sanctioned about it if it doesn't exist?
>     The Constitution of the United States of America is a
> sacred document, set into law by the signatures of those who
> founded our country. They were a diverse group with some
> (not all) common beliefs. And because of that, they gathered
> together in a celebration of the unity found in their
> diversity, and set into motion a campaign to found a country
> based on values. Real values. Values that honored other
> people. Values that granted the recognition of rights that
> people are inherently born into and with. Values that left
> no one behind in the race to a happy, productive life.
>     But we are no longer that country.
>     We are no longer afforded the opportunities for life,
> liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm not talking about
> gay marriage anymore, folks. I'm talking about the right to
> a career that means something to you, whether you're
> straight, gay, bisexual, transgender, transexual, neosexual,
> asexual or antisexual.
>     We're not allowed to smoke ciggarettes in certain places
> anymore. It doesn't matter that it's *my* health I'm
> endangering ... so long as it doesn't interfere with the
> right of another to bring litigation against McDonaldsT for
> their own obesity.
>     We're not allowed to will our belongings to the people
> we want to have them anymore upon our deaths. It doesn't
> matter that I don't want Jimmy Joe Bob to have my stereo
> system, so long as it doesn't go to my gay life partner.
>     Our freedom is at stake. Our right to be human is at
> stake.
>     It's sad to say, but I don't think the people realize
> the enormity of the mistake that was made in Election '04.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Amen.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Alex B.
   To: Universal_Life_Church@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:23 PM
   Subject: Re: [Universal_Life_Church] The U.S. is finally
dead.


   This election just goes to show why people with higher IQs
are more likely to
   be depressed than people with average or low IQs.  When
you realize you are
   outnumbered by idiots it's difficult NOT to be depressed.
Cogito ergo deleo.
   I think, therefore I am depressed.
   Regards,
   Sparks


   On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:58:50 -0500
     "Alan E. Fuller" <alanefuller@...> wrote:
   >     **The State of the (Diabolical) Union Address**
   > by Rev. Dr. Alan E. Fuller, D.D.
   >
   >     What is with this country?
   >     Openly gay men and women are permitted jobs. We're
   > permitted to serve in the Armed Forces. We're permitted
to
   > honor our rights to not be discriminated against on the
job.
   > We're told that we're loved by family and friends who
happen
   > to be tolerant (not supportive or affirmative, mind you,
but
   > just tolerant). We're permitted to vote for the
   > administration of our government, and we're afforded the
"
   > ... certain inalienable rights, among these life,
liberty,
   > and the pursuit of happiness." Yet, we're not supposed
to
   > get married, adopt children, kiss, have sex, eat well,
   > purchase good homes together, have decent life insurance
   > policies, or be a family with our partners.
   >     When relationships are not respected, all hell
breaks
   > loose ... including the hate-crimes associated with not
   > being legally recognized and protected.
   >     And the FMA isn't just about gay people. Do you
realize
   > that the FMA bans recognition all across the country of
the
   > (as in Kentucky) five-year-live-in laws? Do you know
that
   > there are certain authorities who won't be allowed to
   > perform marriages anymore? Do you realize that certain
   > marriages heretofore performed by these authorities will
no
   > longer be legally recognized marriages, and that those
   > current five-year-live-in marriages will no longer be
valid?
   >     "We're protecting the sanctity of marriage in our
   > country," says the government, but where is it? What is
it?
   > What is sacred or sanctioned about it if it doesn't
exist?
   >     The Constitution of the United States of America is
a
   > sacred document, set into law by the signatures of those
who
   > founded our country. They were a diverse group with some
   > (not all) common beliefs. And because of that, they
gathered
   > together in a celebration of the unity found in their
   > diversity, and set into motion a campaign to found a
country
   > based on values. Real values. Values that honored other
   > people. Values that granted the recognition of rights
that
   > people are inherently born into and with. Values that
left
   > no one behind in the race to a happy, productive life.
   >     But we are no longer that country.
   >     We are no longer afforded the opportunities for
life,
   > liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm not talking
about
   > gay marriage anymore, folks. I'm talking about the right
to
   > a career that means something to you, whether you're
   > straight, gay, bisexual, transgender, transexual,
neosexual,
   > asexual or antisexual.
   >     We're not allowed to smoke ciggarettes in certain
places
   > anymore. It doesn't matter that it's *my* health I'm
   > endangering ... so long as it doesn't interfere with the
   > right of another to bring litigation against McDonaldsT
for
   > their own obesity.
   >     We're not allowed to will our belongings to the
people
   > we want to have them anymore upon our deaths. It doesn't
   > matter that I don't want Jimmy Joe Bob to have my stereo
   > system, so long as it doesn't go to my gay life partner.
   >     Our freedom is at stake. Our right to be human is at
   > stake.
   >     It's sad to say, but I don't think the people
realize
   > the enormity of the mistake that was made in Election
'04.
   >
   >
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   >
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It's not over.
We're not Dead yet.
We still have a Congress to reclaim
We still have constituents to organize. It's time that they told their
elected officials what is best for america, not the other way around.

The plan:
1) we collect the arguments the religious right use to garner support
2) We collect information on all programs cut as a result of bush tax cuts
3) We go into scripture (Old testament/Torah and New testament) and find as
many quotes as possible to contradict their arguments.
4) we show how much money the middle and lower class is losing because of the
bush tax cuts
5) We find out how bush economics is attacking the small family farm
6) we find oout the current funding into Corporate welfare
7) we connect all this back onto how Bush and his cronies are getting rich
and we need to back all of this up
then we start circulating this information






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was ordained on 11/19/03. I Founded my church on 1/21/04.
I need help with understanding what my creed's should be about..
Please if there is anyone out there that could help me please e-mail
me.
Thank You!
Peace

Thank you,Pinky,for taking the time to share this with me and I am passing it on
to others on my list for their info of what we are always up against
(misinformation & outright lies).I do not know where you stand on this issue and
that's ok,you don't have to tell me,but for me,I just turned 57 and I have been
using this wonderful,God-given plant in various forms since 18 years old with no
ill side affects whatsoever (unlike the legal drugs of which I do not partake
in).I believe that I am a responsible adult & a productive citizen who (by
personal example) disspells the crap that this organization is putting out.I
also believe that this kind of stuff hurts (not helps) our children to make
informed decisions that affects their lives and breeds hate & contempt for those
of us that choose to use it.My only reprieve is that I know in my heart that
someday the truth shall prevale because evil can never withstand the light which
exposes it.
I remember when you served the citizens of Frankfort on council,Pinky,that you
were always a fair & honest person with everyone and I (for one) am glad to have
you at our local newspaper cause the world needs more people like you.

Rev.Steve

RECORD PAT <recpat@...> wrote:
Thought you might be interested.

Pinky

----------
From: Narconon Arrowhead <Narconon_Arrowhead_tyvgtb@...>
Reply-To: "Narconon Arrowhead" <Narconon_Arrowhead_tyvgtb@...>
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:18:14 -0500 (EST)
To: recpat@...
Subject: Marijuana Initiatives in Political Scene


Marijuana Initiatives in Political Scene

For Immediate Release: November 05, 2004
Contact:  Chris Red
918-339-5800
chrisred@...


Marijuana Initiatives in Political Scene
Activists For and Against the Drug Play Their Cards

A less-highlighted issue among voters in several states on November 2nd dealt
with the legalization or decriminalization of marijuana, mainly for supposed
medicinal purposes.  Among cities and states with ballot initiatives include Ann
Arbor, MI, Columbia, MO, Oakland, CA, Berkley, CA, Massachusetts, Oregon and
Montana.

In Alaska however, the vote was to make marijuana completely legal for persons
over 21 years of age, maintaining penalties for its distribution to minors or
driving under the influence of the drug, with a system of regulation and
taxation by the state.  Common sense prevailed in the last frontier state and
voters defeated the proposal.

The harm-reduction and decriminalization concept has been fed by the
legalization campaign with what at first appears to be somewhat logical
reasoning, but it ends up condoning continued degradation of the individual,
family and social structure of society.

A measure in Oregon concerning the expansion of its current medical marijuana
program by allowing registered patients to purchase their medicine at
state-regulated, nonprofit dispensaries was also defeated by voters.  It was
opposed by the White House, the governor of Oregon, law enforcement officials
and most newspapers in the state as well.

There are currently less than a dozen states in this country that have medical
marijuana laws that allow doctors to prescribe marijuana to patients for its
effects of increased appetite or reduced pain. Pot, like any other drug, has
more than just its immediate effects and the downside to the drug largely
overshadows any supposed value it may have.

In a USA Today article last weekend, Scott burns of the Office of National Drug
Control Policy (ONDCP) was quoted as saying, "Those people who are pushing these
measures look at it as a freedom issue," he said. "But they don't see ... the
addiction issue, the dysfunction in families, the treatment problems. Nobody can
tell me what the upside is of making marijuana more available."  Mr. Burns had
recently visited Alaska.

The Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) in Washington, D.C., tried to help the
Alaskan activists by creating TV commercials and buying airtime for them.  MPP
and Voter Power, the grassroots organization MPP worked with, were unable to
overcome the massive opposition on the ground, much of it stirred up by White
House Drug Czar John Walters.

Marijuana advocacy groups have been in existence for decades. Such misinformed
groups have held numerous rallies and demonstrations and even have multi-million
dollar lobbying campaigns working on the federal government. However, many feel
that allowing marijuana for extreme medical situations would only open the door
for further justification for our youth to smoke it and even for promoting its
total legalization, like the failed measure in Alaska.

While some people argue that marijuana is not as dangerous as other drugs, most
people know and understand that pot dulls a person's senses and causes lethargy.

The issue of whether or not to fully legalize marijuana is, by all means, not a
small one. Research has been done to present the "pros" and cons of smoking
weed.  Arguments have been made that medical marijuana dulls the pain of coping
with certain conditions. So much of the pro marijuana information has made it
into mainstream society that children today do not view the drug as being nearly
as harmful compared to children twenty years ago, according to recent surveys.

What the pro-marijuana advocates fail to mention is the truth about what the
drug actually does to a person, such as damaging the lungs, nerves and brain.
There are over 400 chemicals found in pot smoke and 60 of them have been proven
to cause cancer. Marijuana contains the neurotoxin THC, which is a poison that
affects the brain and nerves. When someone smokes pot, two things happen two
them: 1) There is an almost immediate burn-up of vitamins and minerals in the
body. 2) Nerves in the body go numb.

These to things happen every time someone takes the drug and it causes that
person's health to steadily decrease. A person's tolerance to the drug also
builds and eventually the person has to smoke pot almost continuously just to
feel somewhat normal because they have caused so much damage to themselves.

Marijuana's negative effects also last well beyond the initial use. THC is
lipophilic, meaning the chemical is fat-bonding and gets stored inside a
person's body for weeks, months and even years after use ceases.

American author and humanitarian L. Ron Hubbard did extensive research in the
field of drug use and rehabilitation and discovered that the stored drug
particles can be released back into the bloodstream at later periods and
continue to cause further damage and drug cravings. In his research, Hubbard
also developed a unique and powerful detoxification program that is totally
drug-free and rids the body of the old drug residues, thus restoring health to
the individual.

This highly effective method of detoxification is used at the Narconon Arrowhead
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It's always good to keep the facts in mind.

On medical use of cannabis:
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/archive/medical-cannabis-science-
and-law-36.html

Or when it's about economical and industrial benefits:
http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/archive/hemp-food-clothes-fuel-
fibers-35.html


have a happy day,


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<BenziecountyNORML@y...> wrote:
> Thank you,Pinky,for taking the time to share this with me and I am
passing it on to others on my list for their info of what we are
always up against (misinformation & outright lies).I do not know
where you stand on this issue and that's ok,you don't have to tell
me,but for me,I just turned 57 and I have been using this
wonderful,God-given plant in various forms since 18 years old with no
ill side affects whatsoever (unlike the legal drugs of which I do not
partake in).I believe that I am a responsible adult & a productive
citizen who (by personal example) disspells the crap that this
organization is putting out.I also believe that this kind of stuff
hurts (not helps) our children to make informed decisions that
affects their lives and breeds hate & contempt for those of us that
choose to use it.My only reprieve is that I know in my heart that
someday the truth shall prevale because evil can never withstand the
light which exposes it.
> I remember when you served the citizens of Frankfort on
council,Pinky,that you were always a fair & honest person with
everyone and I (for one) am glad to have you at our local newspaper
cause the world needs more people like you.
>
> Rev.Steve

Dear Ones,

Its taken a lot of time, but I had a few goals to work on
...
1. Decide where I wanted to take my Ministry in the future,
2. Decide on what exactly to include in the website,
3. Design a logo for both print and 'net, and
4. Design the website with ease of use in mind.

So I finally figured it out about a month ago, and I didn't
mention it to anyone because I wanted to get the biggest
part of it all completed. So here's where I've taken it,
finally, and I believe this is finally what I'm sticking
with.

If you would be so kind, please take a look at my new
website and give me some critiques, suggestions, advice,
questions or what-not. Please note that anything you suggest
may be taken to heart and used to improve the website.

In the love and light of Spirit,
Rev. Dr. Alan E. Fuller, D.D.
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanefuller/
"All faiths and all families are valuable, period."


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Spiritual Think Tank?
Hi. What do you think of a spiritual think tank? I want to start one.
Does anyone else? You can work privately but in concert with other
spiritually-oriented folks at your leisure by internet to think up
possible solutions to society's problems. You can also help
investigate many spiritual discoveries that have been reported. One
example is the report that the bible was discovered to have such
mathematical complexity in its original composition, kind of like
music, that it would require a super-intelligence to accomplish it,
which even our present super-computers could only accomplish in part
in a thousand year long effort. Another example is that prayer
changes the structure of water, e.g. making polluted water "act" like
pure water, which means that it "may" have healthful effects on our
bodies, which are 70% water. We can start a yahoogroup for this when
a few people show interest. Please reply directly to my email
account: lkindr@.... Aloha. Lloyd Kinder

Evidence of gay relationships exists as early as 2400 B.C.
The Dallas Morning News 7.20.98

       Evidence of gay relationships exists as early as 2400
B.C.
       By John McCoy
       Staff Writer of
       The Dallas Morning News
       Used by Permission of The Dallas Morning News
           Gay people can be found throughout recorded
history, and the stereotypes about them may have been around
just as long, Egyptologist Greg Reeder said in a speech in
Dallas this weekend.
           His proof: the tomb of Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep.
The two men were royal court manicurists who lived about
2400 B.C. in the ancient Egyptian city of Saqqara and were
buried together much like a married couple.
           "People laugh when you say manicurists," Mr.
Reeder, contributing editor to the Egyptology journal KMT ,
said Saturday night after a speech to local members of the
American Research Center in Egypt.      Niankhkhnum and
Khnumhotep's tomb was discovered by archaeologists in 1964
and initially presented a puzzle to scholars.
           Were the men - depicted nose to nose in a close
embrace - relatives or close friends? The scholarly
literature often refers to them as twins or brothers, and
the site has become known as the Tomb of the Brothers.
           But Mr. Reeder thinks there was more going on. He
noted that images of the two men are strikingly similar to
those of
      Tomb depicts closeness of 2 men, group told

       male-female married couples on other tombs of the era.
            Niankhkhnum had a wife, who is depicted sitting
behind him in a banquet scene in the tomb, but her image was
almost totally erased during ancient times for unknown
reasons, he said. In other scenes, Khnumhotep occupies the
place normally associated with wives. And in some
hieroglyphs, Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep's names are strung
together in a word play that could mean "joined in life and
joined in death."
           Mr. Reeder's conclusion: "Same-sex desire existed
just behind the ideal facade constructed by the ancients."
            The Research Center is a nonprofit group that
sponsors expeditions to Egypt. Its North Texas chapter holds
monthly talks at Southern Methodist University, but
Saturday's talk was sexier than the average academic
discussion, members said.
            "We try to get as wide a spectrum of new and
unusual topics as possible," said the chapter's president,
Dr. Clair Ossian. Mr. Reeder also recited an ancient tale -
probably intended at this time to be humorous-of a
homosexual liaison between the gods Horus and Seth,
producing a male pregnancy that shocked the other gods.
It's often difficult to find the right words to talk about
sexuality in ancient times, Mr. Reeder noted.
            " "Gay' is too loaded. "Homosexual' is too
modern; so you have to speak in terms of their relationship
to one another," he said.
            Taking a page from the late Yale University
historian John Boswell, Mr. Reeder uses the phrase "same-sex
desire." Dr. Boswell studied medieval brotherhood rituals
and argued that some were akin to same- sex unions or
marriages.
            Not much else is known about the two Egyptian
manicurists, whose profession is represented by a hieroglyph
of an animal paw with claws outstretched, Mr. Reeder said.
He figures Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep - listed in the
hieroglyphics as "royal confidants" - occupied a privileged
position, one of the few people who could actually touch the
pharaoh.
            Very few people of that era got tombs built in
their honor, and it usually took a favor from the pharaoh or
a religious leader to get one, Dr. Ossian noted.
            "Tombs were horrifically expensive," he said.

       © 1998
       The Dallas Morning News
       All Rights Reserved




   In the light and love of Spirit,

   Rev. Dr. Alan E. Fuller, D.D.

   www.CoachAlan.Info




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The Holy month of Ramadan blessed by the Divine Grace
of George Bush and Empire
http://cyprusindymedia.org/english.html

Also at
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"...Real explosions! Shit. I ducked below the window sill when the sound of the
first blast reached my skin, before it was even processed by hearing. My sense
of hearing, all of its own entirely on automatic pilot, began to discern for
patterns …no machine-gun fire, no rifles, no yelling, and then another blast
shook us, and the clouds parted to unveil"...:

The Holy month of Ramadan blessed by the Divine Grace
of George Bush and Empire
http://cyprusindymedia.org/english.html

Petros
------------------

Thanks,mary for the info and I used it when I called my congress critters. I had
to chuckle when I called Levin's office cause when I identified myself and said
that I was calling in regards to Gonzalez,the guy said "you don't like him do
you,Rev.Thompson"? They know me all too well! They also chuckled when I told
them what I meant by the term "hispanic,white guy"and asked what kind of Bible
"Mr. born-again christian Bush"was reading that justified him to even think of
appointing such a person as Gonzalez.
On a sad note: both offices said they HAD NOT received many calls on the
subject.Stabenow's office had received less than 50.I think that millions should
be calling but as the trend seems to be going,the majoirty of the American
people do not want to bother and are like sheep being led to the slaughter by
their glorious leader (their god,Bush).Don't get me started!!
                                       Rev.Steve

mary mackenzie <mmackenzie2@...> wrote:
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Hi

I've only heard that he approved throwing the Geneva Convention out the windows,
allowing for the torture and abuse we saw in iraq, but that is really just an
extension of what happens here in the us prison system everyday!!!
He is NOT good news.  He reminds me of Colin Powell -- that white black man and
gonzalez will be the white hispanic man, licking up bush's boots for more power,
prestige and media coverage.( So as not to offend, white man in this context
means rich, religious,  arrogant and pompous, greedy and focused on the New
World Order)  oh, that's Their world order, not mine.

Cannabem liberemus,
mad mary




November 10, 2004

by Christy Harvey, Judd Legum and Jonathan Baskin
Please add The Progress Report to your Address Book so it doesn't get
filtered.

ALBERTO GONZALES
A Record of Injustice

There is no regular Progress Report for today, Veteran's Day. Your regularly
scheduled Progress Report returns tomorrow. In the meantime, here is some
information on President Bush's nominee for Attorney General, Alberto
Gonzales.

As White House Counsel

GONZALES APPROVED MEMO AUTHORIZING TORTURE: An August 2002 Justice
Department memo "was vetted by a larger number of officials, including...the
White House counsel's office and Vice President Cheney's office." According
to Newsweek, the memo "was drafted after White House meetings convened by
George W. Bush's chief counsel, Alberto Gonzales, along with Defense
Department general counsel William Haynes and [Cheney counsel] David
Addington." The memo included the opinion that laws prohibiting torture do
"not apply to the President's detention and interrogation of enemy
combatants." Further, the memo puts forth the opinion that the pain caused
by an interrogation must include "injury such as death, organ failure, or
serious impairment of body functionsâ€â#8364;ťin order to constitute
torture." The
methods outlined in the memo "provoked concerns within the CIA about
possible violation of the federal torture law [and] also raised concerns at
the FBI, where some agents knew of the techniques being used" overseas on
high-level al Qaeda officials. [Gonzales 8/1/02 memo; WP, 6/27/04; Newsweek,
6/21/04; NYT, 6/27/04]

GONZALES SAID MANY GENEVA CONVENTIONS PROVISIONS ARE OBSOLETE: A 1/25/02
memo written by White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales said "the war against
terrorism is a new kind of war" and "this new paradigm renders obsolete
Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders
quaint some of its provisions." The memo pushes to make al Qaeda and Taliban
detainees exempt from the Geneva Conventions' provisions on the proper,
legal treatment of prisoners. The administration has been adamant that
prisoners at Guantanamo are not protected by the Geneva Conventions.
[Gonzales 1/25/02 memo; Newsweek, 5/24/04]

GONZALES ADMITTED HIS VIEWS "COULD UNDERMINE U.S. MILITARY CULTURE": The
1/25/02 memo shows Alberto Gonzales was aware of the risk that ignoring the
Geneva Conventions could create for the military. One concern expressed is
that failing to apply the Geneva Conventions "could undermine U.S. military
culture which emphasizes maintaining the highest standards of conduct in
combat, and could introduce an element of uncertainty in the status of
adversaries," which is what happened at Abu Ghraib. Secretary of State Colin
Powell strongly warned against taking this decision, as did lawyers from the
Judge Advocate General's Corps, or JAG. This week, a federal judge ruled
that "President Bush had both overstepped his constitutional bounds and
improperly brushed aside the Geneva Conventions" when he established
military tribunals in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to try detainees as war
criminals. [Gonzales 1/25/02 memo; Bloomberg, 6/14/04; New York Times,
11/9/04]

As Texas Chief Legal Counsel

DEATH PENALTY MEMOS: GONZALES'S NEGLIGENT COUNSEL: As chief legal counsel
for then Gov. Bush in Texas, Gonzales was responsible for writing a memo on
the facts of each death penalty case â€â#8364;ś Bush decided whether a
defendant
should live or die based on the memos. An examination of the Gonzales
memoranda by the Atlantic Monthly concluded, "Gonzales repeatedly failed to
apprise the governor of crucial issues in the cases at hand: ineffective
counsel, conflict of interest, mitigating evidence, even actual evidence of
innocence." His memos caused Bush frequently to approve executions based on
"only the most cursory briefings on the issues in dispute." Rather than
informing the governor of the conflicting circumstances in a case, "The
memoranda seem attuned to a radically different posture, assumed by Bush
from the earliest days of his administrationâ€â#8364;ťone in which he sought
to
minimize his sense of legal and moral responsibility for executions."
[Atlantic Monthly, July/August, 2003]

MEMORANDUM ON TERRY WASHINGTON: A CASE STUDY IN INCOMPETENCE: In his
briefing on death-row defendant Terry Washington â€â#8364;ś a mentally
retarded
33-year-old man with the communication skills of a seven-year-old â€â#8364;ś
Gonzales devoted nearly a third of his three-page report to the gruesome
details of the crime, but referred "only fleetingly to the central issue in
Washington's clemency appealâ€â#8364;ťhis limited mental capacity, which was
never
disputed by the State of Texasâ€â#8364;ťand present[ed] it as part of a
discussion
of 'conflicting information' about the condemned man's childhood." In
addition, Gonzales "failed to mention that Washington's mental limitations,
and the fact that he and his ten siblings were regularly beaten with whips,
water hoses, extension cords, wire hangers, and fan belts, were never made
known to the jury, although both the district attorney and Washington's
trial lawyer knew of this potentially mitigating evidence." Nor did he
mention that Washington's lawyer had "failed to enlist a mental-health
expert" to testify on Washington's behalf, even though "ineffective counsel
and mental retardation were in fact the central issues raised in the
thirty-page clemency petition" it was Gonzales's job to review. This all
came at a time when "demand was growing nationwide to ban executions of the
retarded." [Atlantic Monthly, July/August, 2003]

As Texas Supreme Court Justice

GONZALES ACCEPTS DONATIONS FROM LITIGANTS: In the weeks between hearing oral
arguments and making a decision in Henson v. Texas Farm Bureau Mutual
Insurance, Justice Alberto Gonzales collected a $2,000 contribution premium
from the Texas Farm Bureau (which runs the defendant insurance company in
this case). In another case, Gonzales pocketed a $2,500 contribution from a
law firm defending the Royal Insurance company just before hearing oral
arguments in Embrey v. Royal Insurance. [Texas for Public Justice]

a.. For more information on Gonzales check out this American Progress rapid
response document .
b.. Read the American Progress Statement on Alberto Gonzales .


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Steven,

Thank you for sending this analysis on Gonzales. Bad news all around, huh?
Petros
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sorry it has taken me so long to reply I have been sick but I like the Idea you
can reach my regular web address ordersion6@...
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lkindr <lkindr@...> wrote:

Spiritual Think Tank?
Hi. What do you think of a spiritual think tank? I want to start one.
Does anyone else? You can work privately but in concert with other
spiritually-oriented folks at your leisure by internet to think up
possible solutions to society's problems. You can also help
investigate many spiritual discoveries that have been reported. One
example is the report that the bible was discovered to have such
mathematical complexity in its original composition, kind of like
music, that it would require a super-intelligence to accomplish it,
which even our present super-computers could only accomplish in part
in a thousand year long effort. Another example is that prayer
changes the structure of water, e.g. making polluted water "act" like
pure water, which means that it "may" have healthful effects on our
bodies, which are 70% water. We can start a yahoogroup for this when
a few people show interest. Please reply directly to my email
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John <rev_john2000@...> wrote:

I was ordained on 11/19/03. I Founded my church on 1/21/04.
I need help with understanding what my creed's should be about..
Please if there is anyone out there that could help me please e-mail
me.
Thank You!
Peace
as a universalist if you choose to be one, has none we follow no doctrine other
than there is only one living God.

the apostles creed is always a good one. It would be alot easier for anyone to
assist you in your quest if you let us know what faith you follow I myself am a
Christian only in that I try to live the lifestyle I would hope he would live if
alive today.  I am a Universalist I don't Care what faith any one wants to
follow or how they wish to pratice it I only hope that they can find God as they
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I wish I could have gotten to your question sooner I have been in the hospital
Just because of the Catholic problems you could still perform the same ceremony
only with a UVL Minister. or you can just use it as a format and tone it down to
a point that makes you comfortable don't worry about what others want you to do
the ceremony is yours and your child's not thier's
With all my love and best wishes Rev. George F Deveau D.D

celebrations_01 <celebrations_01@...> wrote:

We are having a ULC Minister perform our baby's Christening, but he
has never done one before so I'm helping him pull some ideas
together.  My husband and I were both raised Catholic, however we
have fallen away from the Catholic religion due to the dispicable
things priests were doing to young boys.  In any case, the ULC
reflects our thoughts and feelings.  My husband and I both believe in
God and in the bible and that's where it stands.  We try to live life
treating people fairly and honestly without hurting anyone.  Looking
for ideas for a somewhat religious, but not over the top ceremony.  I
have some strict Catholic family and I don't want the service to be
not religious, but not TOOO religious, if that makes any sense  Would
appreciate your help.






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Two days ago, when tremendous events where shaking the Middle East, we published
this collective statement below by Cyprus IndyMedia while more than a 100.000
people were spontaneously assembling on the landing site of the helicopters
bearing Yasser Arafat's body, eager to share a final farewell with him embraced
within a spirit of a community in grief, steeled with a determination to
perserve. And then we were subjected to the shock of a totally unexpected
refusal by global IndyMedia to publish our article in its pages:

"eternal Peace and Victory"
http://cyprusindymedia.org/english.html

Also at
http://cyprus-imc-english.nysindy.org/feature/display/736/index.php

Petros
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>
>
> John <rev_john2000@y...> wrote:
>
> I was ordained on 11/19/03. I Founded my church on 1/21/04.
> I need help with understanding what my creed's should be about..
> Please if there is anyone out there that could help me please e-
mail
> me.
> Thank You!
> Peace
> as a universalist if you choose to be one, has none we follow no
doctrine other than there is only one living God.
>
> the apostles creed is always a good one. It would be alot easier
for anyone to assist you in your quest if you let us know what faith
you follow I myself am a Christian only in that I try to live the
lifestyle I would hope he would live if alive today.  I am a
Universalist I don't Care what faith any one wants to follow or how
they wish to pratice it I only hope that they can find God as they
understand him/her/it to be.
>
> I beleive the christian way only in that we should do that which is
right..
Please let me know more!!
Thank you!
>
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Ayahuasca court rulings for UDV church
{UDV stands for the Church Uniao do Vegetal}


Hi,

We received this summary of news below from one of our members. Really
interesting developments.

The news are also an excellent example of how a spiritually- motivated
relationship to Entheogens is sometimes able (and necessary) to guide us in the
face of adversity and totalitarian oppressive methods exercised against our
people by the US government, to finding the correct path in the conflict, and
render us capable of attaining occasional victories against the Beast.

Thank you George!
Petros
----------------


To: "g " <g@...>
The message below is forwarded from  an email  correspondent who got this
"second hand from someone who talked to the UDV lawyer":
============================

Yesterday (I think, or maybe today), a ruling  came down about the Uniao do
Vegetal (UDV) case against the government  regarding access to ayahuasca tea
(which contains DMT and harmaline).

Recall that in the late 1990's, the UDV filed  suit against the gov't for the
right to import the tea and to be free  from interference from the DEA for
practice of their religion.

After filing suit, the UDV sought a preliminary  injunction to be able to have
access to the tea while the court case  was playing out.  They were granted the
injunction.

The gov't then sought to challenge the  injunction, by bringing the case to the
10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver.  However, the gov't lost in a 2-1
decision.

However, it apparently takes only one judge to  request that the entire Court
(of 13) be called to hear the case.  This  full panel hearing happened and,
yesterday, the decision was
rendered:  8-5 in favor of the UDV.

This means that the UDV have the right to import  the tea.  But, more
importantly, it may well mean that the original  court case is rendered moot,
because if they can import the tea now, on  the basis that the gov't failed to
show the tea is dangerous, then  they may not need to go through with the trial
on the same issue.

Note that this is dissimilar from the Native  American Church issues of use of
peyote, where one has to have some Native  American blood to participate.  From
what my informant says, the  10th Court decision is based on the gov't not being
able to interfere  with the practice of religion, and since the UDV did not have
any  "native blood" issues, this
means that anyone in the US can find a UDV church  and take the sacrament.  (Or,
if you're imaginative, start  their own church with their own unique sacrament).

Stay tuned.
Next stop may still be the Supreme Court in this interesting legal case.

For more background info, see:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_law16.shtml

* * *

A seaside correspondent sends this:

This is a message from the Hinosdasemana Group. The mailing list of theofficial
Santo Daime website.

My dear supporters, friends and family;

Last night at 6:20 pm the 10th Circuit Federal Court of Appeals (for the
Districts of Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, Wyoming,and Kansas) published
its en-banc opinion affirming the Lower Court's Decision allowing us to
distribute our Sacred Tea; and practice our religion in the United States
through the final resolution of our case.

This is a profoundly significant judgment and one we are most grateful for.

Among the 13 Appeal's Court Judges who reviewed the evidence presented in our
case, an 8-5 Majority ruled in our favor.

The District Court's order requires the DEA register ourchurch as a legal
Importer and Distributor of our sacrament, before we begin holding our
ceremonies. Up until now they have not done this pendingthe outcome of their
Appeal.

Although it is still possible that the Solicitor General and the Justice
Department may now ask the United States Supreme Court to rehear their case,
that is last recourse they have left. We are hopeful now that three different
Court's have all reviewed the evidence and testimony (and all have reached the
same conclusion in our favor) that the Supreme Court will allow this Preliminary
Ruling to stand.

Our Lawyer's will be contacting the DEA's lawyers next week to see if they are
going to comply with the Court's order now, or not. In the event they resist we
could be back in District Court as early as next week asking for sanctions and a
new order that does not make our Religious Liberty dependent on their
co-operation. In the event they accept the order of the Federal Courts and begin
to comply, we may well be able to resume our religious practices, gratefully in
time for Thanksgiving.

I will faithfully continue to keep you posted as further details emerge.

With my genuine affection and appreciation for all of your essential support and
prayers.

* * *

3rd Time's a Charm for Hallucinogenic Tea
By Scott SandlinJournal Staff Writer

A federal court has ruled for the third time that the SantaFe-based affiliate of
a Brazilian religious sect should get back the hallucinogenic tea its
practitioners take as a sacrament.    The U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in
Denver ruled 8-5 for the small religious group, O Centro Espirita Beneficiente
Uniao do Vegetal, or UDV, which has waged a 41/2-year legal battle for return of
the tea. In a convoluted, lengthy and often esoteric discussion of legal issues,
the appeals court upheld the ruling two years ago by Senior U.S. District Judge
James A. Parker.

Parker ordered federal authorities to permit the group to import the tea and
said they could not bar bona fide church members from using the hallucinogen
according to their own strict internal guidelines.

But he delayed the effective date of the order pending appeal- a situation in
effect until the appeals court's decision was handed down late Friday.
The 10th Circuit sat en banc- meaning all 13 judges- to reconsider a 2003 ruling
by a three-judge panel."The court of appeals has once again affirmed the right
of the UDV and its practitioners to practice their religion. We hope they will
be able to do that as quickly as possible,"said Nancy Hollander, who filed suit
on behalf of Jeffrey Bronfman of Tesuque, the religion's North American leader,
and other members of the group in 2000. "Now we have won in two courts and in
three decisions," she said. Hollander late Monday asked for emergency relief
from Parker in light of the 10th Circuit ruling. Noting UDV members "have been
effectively prohibited from practicing their religion since May 1999," she said
the court should require the government to issue a permit for the importation
and distribution of the tea.

U.S. Attorney David Iglesias said he is consulting with attorneys in his office
and with the regional solicitor to decide on the government's next step.

The government could seek review by the U.S. Supreme Court, but that would
require permission from the solicitor's office, Iglesias said.

The U.S. Customs Service seized 30 gallons of the tea, known as ayahuasca or
simply hoasca, from Bronfman's home in 1999. Bronfman, who was first exposed to
the religion during trips to Brazil for a non profit board on which he sat,
began importing the tea for ceremonies for a growing buts mall North American
membership. The tea is a blend of two Amazonrain-forest plants and is legal in
Brazil.

Government lawyers have taken the position that hoasca is regulated by the
Controlled Substances Act, from which the UDV is not exempt.They also have said
international treaties governing narcotics will be breached by permitting its
use.

"This case is unique in many respects because it involves a clash between two
federal statutes, one based in the First Amendment to the Constitution and
protecting an individual's free exercise of religion and the other serving the
important governmental and public interests of protecting society against the
importation and sale of illegal drugs, "wrote 10th Circuit Judge Stephanie K.
Seymour in one of the majority opinions.

Seymour said the government's claim of harm if it can't enforce an international
treaty on psychotropic drugs was undermined by exemptions permitted for plants
traditionally used by certain small clearly defined groups. And she noted
Congress reiterated the importance of the free exercise of religion when it
enacted the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

In a separate, concurring opinion, Judge Michael W. McConnell noted that the
district court's order worked as a compromise, permitting the government some
control over importation, storage and use of hoasca while permitting the UDV to
continue its religious activity. "This case ...raises the question of why an
accommodation analogous to that extended to the Native American Church cannot be
provided to other religious believers with similar needs," he wrote. The Native
American Church is allowed to use peyote as a sacrament.

----------------------

My fellow activists,Please...take a few minutes of you time and do this.
Let's flood them with emails!!
                                            Yours for Victory,
                                             Rev.Steve

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Paul Tiger N4B

-----Original Message-----
From: RRandall [mailto:rrandall@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:29 AM

The Marijuana Policy Project helped make history this week when, for
the first time ever, a bill designed to protect medical marijuana
patients and providers was introduced in the U.S. Senate. MPP worked
closely with the office of the bill's lead sponsor, U.S. Sen. Richard
Durbin (D-IL), to help craft the bill and lobbied hard to ensure its
introduction. We hope that you will now contact your two U.S. senators
and urge them to support this legislation.

Please visit http://www.mpp.org/trials to e-mail your senators a pre-
written message explaining why it's necessary to provide federal
protections to patients and caregivers who use and provide medical
marijuana in compliance with state laws. With the U.S. Supreme Court
less than two weeks away from hearing a landmark medical marijuana
case -- Ashcroft v. Raich -- this is a perfect time to make your
feelings on this subject known. The whole process will take less than
two minutes.

Like the House version of the bill, the Senate "Truth in Trials Act"
(S. 2989) -- introduced on November 17 -- would end the federal
government's gag on medical marijuana defendants in court. By
providing an affirmative defense to federal marijuana charges, this
bill would not only ensure that defendants could introduce evidence
about the medical aspects of their marijuana-related activities, but
it would also keep such defendants from being sent to federal prison
if it is determined that they were acting in compliance with state
medical marijuana laws.

Both U.S. senators from Vermont -- Sen. Patrick Leahy (D) and Sen. Jim
Jeffords (I) -- joined Sen. Durbin in introducing the bill.

We can stop the federal war on doctors, patients, and caregivers. But
in order to do so, we must turn the 80% public support for medical
marijuana into a political force. This transformation has already
started, with more and more national organizations making formal
declarations of their support for safe, legal access to medical
marijuana. For example, in June 2003, the American Nurses Association,
representing 2.6 million registered nurses, passed a resolution in
support of "legislation to remove criminal penalties ... for bona fide
patients and prescribers of therapeutic marijuana."

Please do your part to show your U.S. senators that support for
medical marijuana is widespread. Visit http://www.mpp.org/trials and
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Thank you for this post,Petros.It re-affirms my convictions that while using
Cannabis (marijuana) is my God-givin right,the prohibiting of it violates my
right to do so. Some day,we Cannabis users will win also!
                                          Rev.Steve
Petros Evdokas <petros@...> wrote:
Ayahuasca court rulings for UDV church
{UDV stands for the Church Uniao do Vegetal}


Hi,

We received this summary of news below from one of our members. Really
interesting developments.

The news are also an excellent example of how a spiritually- motivated
relationship to Entheogens is sometimes able (and necessary) to guide us in the
face of adversity and totalitarian oppressive methods exercised against our
people by the US government, to finding the correct path in the conflict, and
render us capable of attaining occasional victories against the Beast.

Thank you George!
Petros
----------------


To: "g " <g@...>
The message below is forwarded from  an email  correspondent who got this
"second hand from someone who talked to the UDV lawyer":
============================

Yesterday (I think, or maybe today), a ruling  came down about the Uniao do
Vegetal (UDV) case against the government  regarding access to ayahuasca tea
(which contains DMT and harmaline).

Recall that in the late 1990's, the UDV filed  suit against the gov't for the
right to import the tea and to be free  from interference from the DEA for
practice of their religion.

After filing suit, the UDV sought a preliminary  injunction to be able to have
access to the tea while the court case  was playing out.  They were granted the
injunction.

The gov't then sought to challenge the  injunction, by bringing the case to the
10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver.  However, the gov't lost in a 2-1
decision.

However, it apparently takes only one judge to  request that the entire Court
(of 13) be called to hear the case.  This  full panel hearing happened and,
yesterday, the decision was
rendered:  8-5 in favor of the UDV.

This means that the UDV have the right to import  the tea.  But, more
importantly, it may well mean that the original  court case is rendered moot,
because if they can import the tea now, on  the basis that the gov't failed to
show the tea is dangerous, then  they may not need to go through with the trial
on the same issue.

Note that this is dissimilar from the Native  American Church issues of use of
peyote, where one has to have some Native  American blood to participate.  From
what my informant says, the  10th Court decision is based on the gov't not being
able to interfere  with the practice of religion, and since the UDV did not have
any  "native blood" issues, this
means that anyone in the US can find a UDV church  and take the sacrament.  (Or,
if you're imaginative, start  their own church with their own unique sacrament).

Stay tuned.
Next stop may still be the Supreme Court in this interesting legal case.

For more background info, see:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_law16.shtml

* * *

A seaside correspondent sends this:

This is a message from the Hinosdasemana Group. The mailing list of theofficial
Santo Daime website.

My dear supporters, friends and family;

Last night at 6:20 pm the 10th Circuit Federal Court of Appeals (for the
Districts of Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, Wyoming,and Kansas) published
its en-banc opinion affirming the Lower Court's Decision allowing us to
distribute our Sacred Tea; and practice our religion in the United States
through the final resolution of our case.

This is a profoundly significant judgment and one we are most grateful for.

Among the 13 Appeal's Court Judges who reviewed the evidence presented in our
case, an 8-5 Majority ruled in our favor.

The District Court's order requires the DEA register ourchurch as a legal
Importer and Distributor of our sacrament, before we begin holding our
ceremonies. Up until now they have not done this pendingthe outcome of their
Appeal.

Although it is still possible that the Solicitor General and the Justice
Department may now ask the United States Supreme Court to rehear their case,
that is last recourse they have left. We are hopeful now that three different
Court's have all reviewed the evidence and testimony (and all have reached the
same conclusion in our favor) that the Supreme Court will allow this Preliminary
Ruling to stand.

Our Lawyer's will be contacting the DEA's lawyers next week to see if they are
going to comply with the Court's order now, or not. In the event they resist we
could be back in District Court as early as next week asking for sanctions and a
new order that does not make our Religious Liberty dependent on their
co-operation. In the event they accept the order of the Federal Courts and begin
to comply, we may well be able to resume our religious practices, gratefully in
time for Thanksgiving.

I will faithfully continue to keep you posted as further details emerge.

With my genuine affection and appreciation for all of your essential support and
prayers.

* * *

3rd Time's a Charm for Hallucinogenic Tea
By Scott SandlinJournal Staff Writer

A federal court has ruled for the third time that the SantaFe-based affiliate of
a Brazilian religious sect should get back the hallucinogenic tea its
practitioners take as a sacrament.    The U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in
Denver ruled 8-5 for the small religious group, O Centro Espirita Beneficiente
Uniao do Vegetal, or UDV, which has waged a 41/2-year legal battle for return of
the tea. In a convoluted, lengthy and often esoteric discussion of legal issues,
the appeals court upheld the ruling two years ago by Senior U.S. District Judge
James A. Parker.

Parker ordered federal authorities to permit the group to import the tea and
said they could not bar bona fide church members from using the hallucinogen
according to their own strict internal guidelines.

But he delayed the effective date of the order pending appeal- a situation in
effect until the appeals court's decision was handed down late Friday.
The 10th Circuit sat en banc- meaning all 13 judges- to reconsider a 2003 ruling
by a three-judge panel."The court of appeals has once again affirmed the right
of the UDV and its practitioners to practice their religion. We hope they will
be able to do that as quickly as possible,"said Nancy Hollander, who filed suit
on behalf of Jeffrey Bronfman of Tesuque, the religion's North American leader,
and other members of the group in 2000. "Now we have won in two courts and in
three decisions," she said. Hollander late Monday asked for emergency relief
from Parker in light of the 10th Circuit ruling. Noting UDV members "have been
effectively prohibited from practicing their religion since May 1999," she said
the court should require the government to issue a permit for the importation
and distribution of the tea.

U.S. Attorney David Iglesias said he is consulting with attorneys in his office
and with the regional solicitor to decide on the government's next step.

The government could seek review by the U.S. Supreme Court, but that would
require permission from the solicitor's office, Iglesias said.

The U.S. Customs Service seized 30 gallons of the tea, known as ayahuasca or
simply hoasca, from Bronfman's home in 1999. Bronfman, who was first exposed to
the religion during trips to Brazil for a non profit board on which he sat,
began importing the tea for ceremonies for a growing buts mall North American
membership. The tea is a blend of two Amazonrain-forest plants and is legal in
Brazil.

Government lawyers have taken the position that hoasca is regulated by the
Controlled Substances Act, from which the UDV is not exempt.They also have said
international treaties governing narcotics will be breached by permitting its
use.

"This case is unique in many respects because it involves a clash between two
federal statutes, one based in the First Amendment to the Constitution and
protecting an individual's free exercise of religion and the other serving the
important governmental and public interests of protecting society against the
importation and sale of illegal drugs, "wrote 10th Circuit Judge Stephanie K.
Seymour in one of the majority opinions.

Seymour said the government's claim of harm if it can't enforce an international
treaty on psychotropic drugs was undermined by exemptions permitted for plants
traditionally used by certain small clearly defined groups. And she noted
Congress reiterated the importance of the free exercise of religion when it
enacted the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

In a separate, concurring opinion, Judge Michael W. McConnell noted that the
district court's order worked as a compromise, permitting the government some
control over importation, storage and use of hoasca while permitting the UDV to
continue its religious activity. "This case ...raises the question of why an
accommodation analogous to that extended to the Native American Church cannot be
provided to other religious believers with similar needs," he wrote. The Native
American Church is allowed to use peyote as a sacrament.

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* * *

Thanks,Dan for this post.As I read it,I couldn't help but wonder,"what if the
court rules against it"? Are the MM patients in the MM states just gonna role
over and take it or will it finally cause every user in the U.S. to get pissed
off,come out of their closets,and do something about it?
I wonder what would have happened if the court had ruled against "Roe v Wade?
I sometimes feel that if we don't take back our country soon for the REAL GLORY
OF GOD (kindness,compassion,and equal justice for ALL),then we REAL PATRIOTS
(freedom lovers) are doomed to find a new home somewhere outside of the U.S.
Today,I am feeling like there are so few of us left here in the U.S.---CAN YOU
TELL?
                                               Rev.Steve
P.S. I am praying that God will touch the court's respective hearts and that
they will rule in favor of THE TRUTH!!

Daniel Solano <DETROITARTSTER@...> wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/26/scotus.medical.marijuana.ap/index.html

Supreme Court to weigh medical marijuana laws
Plaintiff calls it a life-and-death issue
Friday, November 26, 2004 Posted: 1:42 PM EST (1842
GMT)


OAKLAND, California (AP) -- Traditional drugs have
done little to help 39-year-old Angel Raich.

Beset by a nightmarish list of ailments that includes
tumors in her brain and uterus, seizures, spasms and
nausea, she has been able to find comfort only in the
marijuana that is recommended by her doctor.

It eases her pain, allows her to rise out of a
wheelchair and promotes an appetite that prevents her
from wasting away.

Her Berkeley physician, Frank Lucido, said marijuana
"is the only drug of almost three dozen we have tried
that works."

On Monday, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in a
case that will determine whether Raich and similar
patients in California and 10 other states can
continue to use marijuana for medical purposes.

At issue is whether states have the right to adopt
laws allowing the use of drugs the federal government
has banned or whether federal drug agents can arrest
individuals for abiding by those medical marijuana
laws.

California passed the nation's first so-called medical
marijuana law in 1996, allowing patients to smoke and
grow marijuana with a doctor's recommendation. The
Bush administration maintains those laws violate
federal drug rules and asserts that marijuana has no
medical value.

"I really hope and pray the justices allow me to
live," said Raich as she crammed a blend of a
marijuana variety known as "Haze X" into a contraption
that vaporized it inside large balloons.

She said the outcome of the case will determine
whether her "husband will have a wife," her "children
a mother."

The case will address questions left unresolved from
the first time the high court considered the legality
of medical marijuana.

In 2001, the justices ruled against clubs that
distributed medical marijuana, saying they cannot do
so based on the "medical necessity" of the patient.
The ruling forced Raich's Oakland supplier to close
and other cannabis clubs to operate in the shadows.

The decision did not address whether the government
can block states from adopting their own medical
marijuana laws.

Nevertheless, the federal government took the
offensive after the ruling, often over the objections
of local officials. It began seizing individuals'
medical marijuana and raiding their suppliers. Nowhere
was that effort more conspicuous than in the San
Francisco Bay area, where the nation's medical
marijuana movement was founded.

Raich and Diane Monson, the other plaintiff in the
case, sued Attorney General John Ashcroft because they
feared their supplies of medical marijuana might dry
up. After a two-year legal battle, they won
injunctions barring the U.S. Justice Department from
prosecuting them or their suppliers.

"This has been a nightmare," said Monson, a
47-year-old accountant from Oroville whose backyard
crop of six marijuana plants was seized in 2002. "I've
never sued anyone in my life, never mind the attorney
general of the United States of America. For crying
out loud, here in California we've voted to allow
medical marijuana."

She regularly uses marijuana on a doctor's
recommendation to alleviate back problems. She says it
also helps cope with the recent death of her husband,
who suffered from pancreatic cancer.

Last December, the San Francisco-based 9th U.S.
Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Raich's and Monson's
favor. It said federal laws criminalizing marijuana do
not apply to patients whose doctors have recommended
the drug.

The appeals court said states were free to adopt
medical marijuana laws as long as the marijuana was
not sold, transported across state lines or used for
non-medicinal purposes. The other states with such
laws are Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine,
Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington.

The court ruled that marijuana for medicinal purposes
is "different in kind from drug trafficking" and
outside the scope of federal oversight.

The same court last year said doctors were free to
recommend marijuana to their patients. The government
appealed, but the Supreme Court justices declined to
hear the case.

In June, however, the justices agreed to hear the
Raich-Monson case. A ruling is expected to decide the
states' rights issue the court left unanswered in
2001.

Acting Solicitor General Paul Clement told the
justices in briefs that the government, backed by the
1970 Controlled Substances Act, has the power to
regulate the "manufacture, distribution and possession
of any controlled substance," even if such activity
takes place entirely within one state.

Besides California, the states allowing marijuana to
be used as medicine with a doctor's recommendation are
Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana,
Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington state.

Even some states without medical marijuana laws have
criticized the federal government's position.
Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi told the court they
"support their neighbors' prerogative in our
federalist system to serve as laboratories for
experimentation."

A number of medical groups, doctors and marijuana
supporters also wrote the court, saying marijuana
benefits sick patients.

Raich, whose legal team includes her husband, Robert,
said she hopes the chemotherapy Chief Justice William
H. Rehnquist is undergoing for thyroid cancer "would
soften his heart about the issue."

"I think," she said, "he would find that cannabis
would help him a lot."

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TOMORROW,NOVEMBER 29,2004,from midnite tonite to midnite tomorrow. I had already
decided to do this,but didnot state so publicly on these posts ...not wishing to
offend or impose my views on others ...BUT ...since you asked,I am "sharing"
this with you.
You and I are definately of "one mind",Trina,and I love you for it!!
For those of you that might like to join us,but don't know quite how to proceed
...the following are simply recommendations.
1.During this time period,do not eat any food,but it is ok to drink liquids.
If not eating food would make you sick or hurt you...don't try it.
2.During your "awake" hours,no matter what you are doing (work,on the
puter,watching TV,etc.),think about this issue and ask God to intervene and
rebuke satan and his evilness from having any control.
Do keep your thoughts "positive" ...in other words,don't ask God to send these
"enemies" of ours to hell cause then,we are no better than those who would like
to see all us "pot smokers" put in jail or killed.
3.Finally,don't forget to "thank" God for what he has already done in our favor
and for what he will do in this issue and future ones.EXPECT TO WIN WITH GOD!!
II Chronicles 7 : 14 - then if my people will humble themselves and pray,and
search for me, (praying & fasting) and turn from their wicked ways, (hate &
fear) I will hear them from heaven and forgive their sins
(again,hate & fear) and I will heal (replace love & compassion for hate & fear)
their land.
                                              Rev.Steve

Trena <onegirl@...> wrote:
When the vote of the people is blatantly ignored how can we be living in a
democracy ?  What would be the point in trying to change local laws if they are
totally disregarded by federal judges ?  When Jesus was tempted in the
wilderness by the devil he offered him the kingdoms of this world in exchange
for his worship.  Knowing who we are up against, I agree we should pray and
fast.  Pick a day.  T
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Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [michnorml] Supreme Court to weigh medical marijuana


Thanks,Dan for this post.As I read it,I couldn't help but wonder,"what if the
court rules against it"? Are the MM patients in the MM states just gonna role
over and take it or will it finally cause every user in the U.S. to get pissed
off,come out of their closets,and do something about it?
I wonder what would have happened if the court had ruled against "Roe v Wade?
I sometimes feel that if we don't take back our country soon for the REAL GLORY
OF GOD (kindness,compassion,and equal justice for ALL),then we REAL PATRIOTS
(freedom lovers) are doomed to find a new home somewhere outside of the U.S.
Today,I am feeling like there are so few of us left here in the U.S.---CAN YOU
TELL?
                                               Rev.Steve
P.S. I am praying that God will touch the court's respective hearts and that
they will rule in favor of THE TRUTH!!

Daniel Solano <DETROITARTSTER@...> wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/26/scotus.medical.marijuana.ap/index.html

Supreme Court to weigh medical marijuana laws
Plaintiff calls it a life-and-death issue
Friday, November 26, 2004 Posted: 1:42 PM EST (1842
GMT)


OAKLAND, California (AP) -- Traditional drugs have
done little to help 39-year-old Angel Raich.

Beset by a nightmarish list of ailments that includes
tumors in her brain and uterus, seizures, spasms and
nausea, she has been able to find comfort only in the
marijuana that is recommended by her doctor.

It eases her pain, allows her to rise out of a
wheelchair and promotes an appetite that prevents her
from wasting away.

Her Berkeley physician, Frank Lucido, said marijuana
"is the only drug of almost three dozen we have tried
that works."

On Monday, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in a
case that will determine whether Raich and similar
patients in California and 10 other states can
continue to use marijuana for medical purposes.

At issue is whether states have the right to adopt
laws allowing the use of drugs the federal government
has banned or whether federal drug agents can arrest
individuals for abiding by those medical marijuana
laws.

California passed the nation's first so-called medical
marijuana law in 1996, allowing patients to smoke and
grow marijuana with a doctor's recommendation. The
Bush administration maintains those laws violate
federal drug rules and asserts that marijuana has no
medical value.

"I really hope and pray the justices allow me to
live," said Raich as she crammed a blend of a
marijuana variety known as "Haze X" into a contraption
that vaporized it inside large balloons.

She said the outcome of the case will determine
whether her "husband will have a wife," her "children
a mother."

The case will address questions left unresolved from
the first time the high court considered the legality
of medical marijuana.

In 2001, the justices ruled against clubs that
distributed medical marijuana, saying they cannot do
so based on the "medical necessity" of the patient.
The ruling forced Raich's Oakland supplier to close
and other cannabis clubs to operate in the shadows.

The decision did not address whether the government
can block states from adopting their own medical
marijuana laws.

Nevertheless, the federal government took the
offensive after the ruling, often over the objections
of local officials. It began seizing individuals'
medical marijuana and raiding their suppliers. Nowhere
was that effort more conspicuous than in the San
Francisco Bay area, where the nation's medical
marijuana movement was founded.

Raich and Diane Monson, the other plaintiff in the
case, sued Attorney General John Ashcroft because they
feared their supplies of medical marijuana might dry
up. After a two-year legal battle, they won
injunctions barring the U.S. Justice Department from
prosecuting them or their suppliers.

"This has been a nightmare," said Monson, a
47-year-old accountant from Oroville whose backyard
crop of six marijuana plants was seized in 2002. "I've
never sued anyone in my life, never mind the attorney
general of the United States of America. For crying
out loud, here in California we've voted to allow
medical marijuana."

She regularly uses marijuana on a doctor's
recommendation to alleviate back problems. She says it
also helps cope with the recent death of her husband,
who suffered from pancreatic cancer.

Last December, the San Francisco-based 9th U.S.
Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Raich's and Monson's
favor. It said federal laws criminalizing marijuana do
not apply to patients whose doctors have recommended
the drug.

The appeals court said states were free to adopt
medical marijuana laws as long as the marijuana was
not sold, transported across state lines or used for
non-medicinal purposes. The other states with such
laws are Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine,
Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington.

The court ruled that marijuana for medicinal purposes
is "different in kind from drug trafficking" and
outside the scope of federal oversight.

The same court last year said doctors were free to
recommend marijuana to their patients. The government
appealed, but the Supreme Court justices declined to
hear the case.

In June, however, the justices agreed to hear the
Raich-Monson case. A ruling is expected to decide the
states' rights issue the court left unanswered in
2001.

Acting Solicitor General Paul Clement told the
justices in briefs that the government, backed by the
1970 Controlled Substances Act, has the power to
regulate the "manufacture, distribution and possession
of any controlled substance," even if such activity
takes place entirely within one state.

Besides California, the states allowing marijuana to
be used as medicine with a doctor's recommendation are
Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana,
Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington state.

Even some states without medical marijuana laws have
criticized the federal government's position.
Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi told the court they
"support their neighbors' prerogative in our
federalist system to serve as laboratories for
experimentation."

A number of medical groups, doctors and marijuana
supporters also wrote the court, saying marijuana
benefits sick patients.

Raich, whose legal team includes her husband, Robert,
said she hopes the chemotherapy Chief Justice William
H. Rehnquist is undergoing for thyroid cancer "would
soften his heart about the issue."

"I think," she said, "he would find that cannabis
would help him a lot."

The case is Ashcroft v. Raich, case no. 03-1454.



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Since before the election,I have read many letters on the subject of Jesus and
where he would stand on politics today and I can stay silent no more. Is he a
liberal or a conservative? I am sick of labels!
Jesus is LOVE and I Corinthians,chapter 13 teaches us that LOVE never fails.
What does this mean? Are we Bible-believing Christians suppose to set ourselves
up as judge & jury and condemn all other humans that do not think like we do,or
are we suppose to LOVE our fellow human-beings like Jesus loved us? I am not
talking about a "patronizing" type of love,but a real,genuine,lay down your
life,"agape"
love (unconditional). We are all "equal" in the sight of God and...yes...
Jesus loves pro-abortion people,gay people,pot-smoking people,believers and
non-believers alike and he did not give any of us the authority to hate & fear
anyone and if you think he did,then you had better re-read his teachings with
the help of the Holy Spirit and seek forgiveness.
Let me show you an example of "real Christian love". Today,November
29,2004,the U.S.Supreme Court is hearing arguements on medical
marijuana in Ashcroft v. Raich. Because of this,Bible-believing,pot-smoking
Christians are fasting & praying all over the world for "agape"
love to prevail.We are even praying for our enemies who would like to see us
jailed or worse,killed! Why? Because people are hurting & dying
without the use of this "miracle" plant even as I write this and if you think
that is ok,then you had better have a little talk with Jesus' dad (God) who
created this plant and told us to use it! It is ok if you don't want to use
it...we who do will not rub off on you or cause your faith to fail. We are
God-created human beings just like you so LOVE us just like Jesus loves you!!
When you do...when you finally "get it"...then the revival or healing (whichever
you want to call it) will sweep over this land and spread through out the world
and we can "truthfully" be called "A Nation Under God" once again.
                                Rev.Steven B. Thompson
                                Director,Benzie County NORML
                                Benzonia,MI 49616
                                1-231-882-9721


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