Areto

I would not worry about the bribes so much, as about the driving itself.

People in Europe (not just Ukraine) drive like maniacs -- the speed, the passing
(aaaaack!), etc.  I would rather have a good driver take me around than drive
myself.   I had one Ukr. driver -- as he's smoothly speeding -- tell me that the
Italians are the bad drivers!

The roads and facilities in Ukraine have improved greatly over the years, and
the major highways are fine. Even attitudes toward pedestrians are slowly
changing. The Ukrainian road maps are excellent.  I didn't see any problem with
signs.  They are there.  Don't know how long ago Scott was there, but it's not
as bad as he describes.


Orysia


> To: UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com
> From: scottaschultz@...
> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 03:56:55 +0000
> Subject: [UkrainianTravel] Re: license
>
> --- In UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com, areta nadozirny <areta16@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does one need an international drivers license to drive in Ukraine and
Poland?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Areta
>
> Areta,
>
> According to the Polish Embassy website, you do need to have an international
driver's license in order to drive there. Unfortunately, I can not find a clear
cut answer about driving in Ukraine.
>
> Now I am not telling you what to do, but having been there, however, I would
say that unless you are fluent in Russian and Ukrainian, I would advise against
it. You can be stopped at any time for any reason by the local police and bribes
are a way of life for many of them.
>
> Also, the roads can be poorly marked and the road signs are of course, in
Ukrainian. The only exceptions are that some of the signs to the major cities
are in English, but these are few and far between. In addition to being poorly
marked, the roads are also poorly maintained.
>
> On a positive note, gas stations are plentiful and some have relatively clean
rest rooms and a small convenience shop with snack food type items. There are
also some road side cafes.
>
> By all means, get a map! One of the best on the market is published by
Ravenstein. I have seen these on Amazon ranging from $10 to over $50! Another
good one is by Freytag and Berndt and Map Link. Some maps may be available at
the large retailers like Boders and Barnes & Noble. You can also order them
online from Map Link at
http://store.maplink.com/store.aspx?nav=MS&cid=4,60,109,1536 (Scroll down to
Ukraine and you will see their listings)
>
> I briefly address the driving issue on my website:
http://www.ukrainepilgrimage.com/7801.html
>
> Good luck!
> Scott
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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--- In UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com, areta nadozirny <areta16@...> wrote:
>
> Does one need an international drivers license to drive in Ukraine and Poland?
>
> Thanks,
> Areta

Areta,

According to the Polish Embassy website, you do need to have an international
driver's license in order to drive there. Unfortunately, I can not find a clear
cut answer about driving in Ukraine.

Now I am not telling you what to do, but having been there, however, I would say
that unless you are fluent in Russian and Ukrainian, I would advise against it.
You can be stopped at any time for any reason by the local police and bribes are
a way of life for many of them.

Also, the roads can be poorly marked and the road signs are of course, in
Ukrainian. The only exceptions are that some of the signs to the major cities
are in English, but these are few and far between. In addition to being poorly
marked, the roads are also poorly maintained.

On a positive note, gas stations are plentiful and some have relatively clean
rest rooms and a small convenience shop with snack food type items. There are
also some road side cafes.

By all means, get a map! One of the best on the market is published by
Ravenstein. I have seen these on Amazon ranging from $10 to over $50! Another
good one is by Freytag and Berndt and Map Link. Some maps may be available at
the large retailers like Boders and Barnes & Noble. You can also order them
online from Map Link at
http://store.maplink.com/store.aspx?nav=MS&cid=4,60,109,1536 (Scroll down to
Ukraine and you will see their listings)

I briefly address the driving issue on my website:
http://www.ukrainepilgrimage.com/7801.html

Good luck!
Scott

Does one need an international drivers license to drive in Ukraine and Poland?

Thanks,
Areta

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http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/30790

Dining near Chornobyl attracts British TV show

The Age newspaper of Melbourne, Australia, put the spotlight Oct. 30 on the
BBC-produced TV program “Cooking in the Danger Zone.” Naturally, TV host Stefan
Gates found his way to Chornobyl, site of the world’s worst nuclear power
accident in 1986.

“This week’s series return sees him traipse around Chornobyl, Geiger counter in
hand, to meet Ukrainians flaunting dire health warnings to continue to live
within the ‘zone of alienation’ around the stricken nuclear power plant,”
according to the newspaper. “A combination of necessity, ignorance and stolid
fatalism has seen peasants move back illegally into the area, in which wildlife
has ironically flourished since the 1986 accident.”

Gates sets his sites on the nearby town of Slavutych and, according to The Age,
“finds himself swayed by the combined powers of a toothless babushka, her
alcoholic husband and a stoic bunch of Ukrainian men, to taste food cultivated
deep within the contaminated zone.”

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Hi!
   I think your photos are wonderful. someday I will
put my photos online.

Areta

--- Scott Schultz <scottaschultz@...>
wrote:

>
> My wife and I also went to Ukraine this summer to
> visit my ancestral
> home (on my mother's side) and we also started a
> website and a blog.


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Marsha,

I agree with the others in saying what a wonderful job you did on
your website.

My wife and I also went to Ukraine this summer to visit my ancestral
home (on my mother's side) and we also started a website and a blog.
My problem is that, unlike you, I am not a professional writer. Of
course I would like to let others know about our experiences and I am
having difficulty finding that balance somewhere inbetween making it
interesting and boring people to tears!

It is very much a work in progress and I will keep the board updated
as I make significant changes to my site:
http://www.ukrainepilgrimage.com/

Scott

--- In UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com, Marsha Skrypuch <marsha@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Just got back from Ukraine and Poland a week ago today. I've posted
> about the trip on my blog here:
>
> http://marsha-s.livejournal.com/
>
> Scroll down to August 28th and read up.
>
> best
> Marsha Skrypuch
> www.calla.com

Thanks so much for your kind words, Areta. It was a wonderful trip. I
look forward to reading about yours.

best
Marsha
www.calla.com

areta nadozirny wrote:
> Hi!
>    what a beautiful way to present your trip. I love
> the photos and your descriptions. this gives me a
> great idea to do the same with my photos (last year
> spent 5 weeks in Ukraine and only one day in Poland).
>    sorry to hear you got sick; that happened on one of
> my trips, so since then I am very careful of what I
> eat during my trips. one never really knows what can
> cause a problem.
>    will you add more of your photos? please let us
> know when you do.
>
> Areta
>
> --- Marsha Skrypuch <marsha@...> wrote:
>

awesome sites.. thanks for posting






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Hi!
    what a beautiful way to present your trip. I love
the photos and your descriptions. this gives me a
great idea to do the same with my photos (last year
spent 5 weeks in Ukraine and only one day in Poland).
    sorry to hear you got sick; that happened on one of
my trips, so since then I am very careful of what I
eat during my trips. one never really knows what can
cause a problem.
    will you add more of your photos? please let us
know when you do.

Areta

--- Marsha Skrypuch <marsha@...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Just got back from Ukraine and Poland a week ago
> today. I've posted
> about the trip on my blog here:
>
> http://marsha-s.livejournal.com/
>
> Scroll down to August 28th and read up.
>
> best
> Marsha Skrypuch
> www.calla.com
>
>

Hello everyone,

Just got back from Ukraine and Poland a week ago today. I've posted
about the trip on my blog here:

http://marsha-s.livejournal.com/

Scroll down to August 28th and read up.

best
Marsha Skrypuch
www.calla.com

Greetings again to the Group!

A few weeks ago I posted here that my wife and I had just returned
from a trip to Ukraine where we visited the home of my ancestors.
Although it is pretty simple so far, we have started a website with
links to our pictures and a blog.

If you have the time and inclination, please visit our site.

http://www.ukrainepilgrimage.com/

Scott Schultz

Thanks for the info; I have always wondered how to get
someone reliable and trustworthy.

Areta

--- Orysia Tracz <orysia_tracz@...> wrote:

>
> For anyone traveling to Ukraine needing someone to
> meet you and drive you to your destinations, be your
> guide in finding your ancestral village, etc.:
>
> Ihor Kuchynsky in Lviv is eager to assist you.

For anyone traveling to Ukraine needing someone to meet you and drive you to
your destinations, be your guide in finding your ancestral village, etc.:

Ihor Kuchynsky in Lviv is eager to assist you.  He or his guides speak
Ukrainian, English, Greek, Armenian, and Russian.  You can email him with your
questions or to make arrangements.

  ihor_kuchynski@...

telephone  011 - 380 - 32 - 245 06 70

cell phone    8 - 097 1557900

address == Holovna Poshta  [Main Post Office]
a/c 223
Lviv  79000
Ukraine

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To The Group,

My wife and I just returned from Ukraine where we went to visit my
ancestral home which is the small village (450 people) of Dereshova
about 60 miles SW of Vinnitsa. None of this would have been possible
without the aid of a local translator.

I plan on writing more later, but I would be happy to answer any
questions about our trip. I do not want to use this board for
advertising or endorsements of any kind, but I will provide the contact
information of the translator and the hotels we stayed in to anyone who
asks. The bottom line is that Westerners should not have any fear about
going to this absolutely gorgeous country.

Scott

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Subject: [UkrainianTravel] See the Crimea with no rushing, just relax with the
best!
To: UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 3:52 AM






You can take a 10 day tour with Marina's tours and see the Southern
shore of the Black Sea and over 12 excursions. The tour takes in
castles, forts, Yalta, Sudak, and Sevastopol to name a few well know
cities. For a one time fee of $1,850 from Borispil air terminal and
back on the 10th day, you will have all expenses paid for hotels,
transportation, guides,wonderful Cuisine,lots of Ukrainian Culture,and
excursions. Check out this website, www.naturetwotours. com and see
what you will visit and learn about the future trips. You may call 503-
366-0726 or email off the website for reservations. Remember the Url
is: www.naturetwotours. com Have a wonderful summer, but please consider
seeing Ukraine. Let our multilanguaged ladies be your tour guide.


















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You can take a 10 day tour with Marina's tours and see the Southern
shore of the Black Sea and over 12 excursions. The tour takes in
castles, forts, Yalta, Sudak, and Sevastopol to name a few well know
cities.  For a one time fee of $1,850 from Borispil air terminal and
back on the 10th day, you will have all expenses paid for hotels,
transportation, guides,wonderful Cuisine,lots of Ukrainian Culture,and
excursions.  Check out this website, www.naturetwotours.com and see
what you will visit and learn about the future trips.  You may call 503-
366-0726 or email off the website for reservations.  Remember the Url
is: www.naturetwotours.com Have a wonderful summer, but please consider
seeing Ukraine. Let our multilanguaged ladies be your tour guide.

I went to this event in DC. You can read the event summary below.

Aleks


"Helbig stated that the “association between African identity and music
has increasingly begun to spill into all walks of Ukrainian life.”
African Ukrainian-language hip-hop/reggae groups are growing in
popularity and are often invited to participate in local cultural
festivals, national talk shows, and televised concerts."
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ary&event_id=361819




























































































































































                   "Make Me a Hip, Make Me a Hop:" Afro-American Music, African
Migration, and Class Identity in Ukraine





                     Return
                     to Event List




                   February 19 2008, 12:00 p.m. - 1:00 p.m.














				 Event Summary















“Hip-hop, performed increasingly in the Ukrainian language over the
last five years, is one of the primary musical genres associated with
the 2004 Orange Revolution” said Adriana Helbig, visiting assistant professor of
musicology, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign at a 19 February 2008
lecture. Both the performers and their art show new, dynamic, and
diverse ways that musicians in contemporary Ukraine express claims of
belonging, citizenship, and equality. Helbig observed that the new
styles, language, and ideology embodied in hip-hop may be discussed in
the “broader theoretical framework of multicultural discourses that
have emerged among Ukrainian citizens regarding new economic
opportunities made available since the 2004 Orange Revolution.”



Hip-hop has become a growing global phenomenon, embraced by people in
culturally and geographically disparate places, including the United
States, Africa, and Japan. Integral to this trend is the usage of
traditional musical instruments and local languages, Helbig noted.
Ukraine has also become part of this localization of hip-hop. Helbig
traced the origins of this process to several phenomena, including the
African immigrant community in Ukraine, Ukrainian citizens who have
emigrated to the United States, and also the growing class awareness of
Ukrainians who are migrating within the European continent.



Helbig observed from her field work that there is a growing awareness
of class by migrant workers who routinely return to Ukraine, and bring
with them a racialized imagery from the West, in which “whiteness” is
associated with status, and is a “marker of respect in economic
exchange.” This experience is defined not only in the United States,
but also in European countries such as Italy. However, downward
demographic shifts and substantial outward migration of Ukrainian labor
has been coupled with increased immigration into Ukraine. As a result,
the ethnic and racial composition of Ukraine is changing at a rapid
pace. The Soviet policy of offering higher education to developing
countries also means that there is a history of inter-ethnic unions and
inter-racial children within Ukrainian society, although it is not
widely perceived, Helbig stated. Popular culture has slowly begun to
embrace the “otherness” of African-Ukrainians, who are serving as both
presenters on Ukraine’s entertainment and music networks, as well as
advocates of Ukrainian language music.



Helbig stated that the “association between African identity and music
has increasingly begun to spill into all walks of Ukrainian life.”
African Ukrainian-language hip-hop/reggae groups are growing in
popularity and are often invited to participate in local cultural
festivals, national talk shows, and televised concerts. Although they
are celebrated on stage, she cautioned, it is still difficult to say
that these groups gain acceptance “once they have left the stage.”
Helbig noted that anxiety is growing around the misperception that very
large numbers of dark-skinned ethnic groups are coming to Ukraine.
There are also increasing stereotypes about African migrants, and their
qualifications, which do not take into account the fact that many
arrive seeking—and possessing—advanced degrees. As a response, some of
the African performers have made an added effort to demonstrate that
they are not just surviving, but are proudly living well, she said.



Local industries have also played a large role in marketing certain
images of race and class, and promoting the hip-hop image of Africans
in Ukraine. Helbig noted that images of Africans are used to advertise
music, as well as to create “authentic ambiances” in restaurants and
clubs. Yet this is a practice that Helbig says can hardly be justified
as tolerance, but more as “decorative racism,” in which the ethnicity
and foreignness of the “other” is emphasized. African hip-hop artists
have responded by creating music that promotes a very place-based
identity (combining African origins with a new Ukrainian context).



The growing genre of hip-hop has also been picked up by ethnic
Ukrainians, most of whom perform in their native language. These
performers continue the hip-hop tradition of singing about their
personal local experience. Some of the most popular groups have
developed their performances based on materials sent back to them from
friends who emigrated to California, and have emphasized American
hip-hop elements in their music, particularly in terms of developing an
allegiance to a local community. Helbig noted that appropriating this
musical genre to local circumstances has helped Ukrainian youth deal
with a growing feeling of alienation, as well as reclaiming identities.
Furthermore, the hip-hop culture has promoted very positive messages,
focusing on the “expression of individual strength and originality.”
Helbig noted that the small recording studios of Kharkiv hip-hop
artists enforce strict regulations prohibiting smoking and consumption
of alcohol on their premises.



The use of language and the question of identity are both “highly
charged political issues” in Ukraine. Helbig noted that the hip-hop
movement in Ukraine helps advance this discourse in a musical format by
expressing a simple message that it is “not so bad and difficult to
live together.” Helbig concluded that hip-hop could help “stimulate
audiences in Ukraine to reconsider their understandings of black and
white identities in the West and in the post-socialist sphere.”


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Hello everyone,

My name is Marsha Skrypuch and I have written a number of novels and
children's books dealing with a variety of historical topics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsha_Skrypuch

My friend, who is also a writer, and myself, are planning a trip to
Ukraine and Poland from August 29th to September 13, 2008.

We want to go to the following places for research:

Krakow and area
Lutowiska
Lviv,
Sambir/Staryi Sambir
Turka
Rohatyn,
Chernivtsi (to be exact, Verychanka Kitsmanski Raiyon, Chernivetska
oblast,
which is 20km NNW of Chernivtsi)
Lancut
Feodosia and Bagçesaray Palace in the Crimean peninsula

We want to go by car when at all possible and we would like to have
the driver be someone who is knowledgeable and helpful. We would
likely fly in to Odessa and fly out of Warsaw.

I do not speak Ukrainian or Polish, and my friend speaks only kitchen
Ukrainian.

Suggestions and advice on how to proceed would be most welcome.

all the best
Marsha
www.calla.com

dear scott thank you for this information  its very helpful  sincrly daniel 
skalnik

tx_cpa <fc143@...> wrote: --- In UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com,
"Scott Schultz"
  wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I am looking for the best/easiest/fastest/cheapest way to get from
the
> airport in Kiev to Vinnitsa. I am also looking for accomodations
that a
> Westerner would be comfortable in at Vinnitsa as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott
>
Scott, I am hoping that these money mongers did not deter you.  Are
you visiting someone?  If so have them send a taxi from Vinnitsa to
Kiev to pick you up.  If this is a woman then she could come with the
taxi from Vinnitsa.  The cab fare from Kiev, for Kiev drivers are
expensive, is large.  Drivers from Vinnitsa do not get so much money
and are far more resonable in their fees (could be one third of the
fees from a kiev driver).  You are too close to go by train, the
second least expensive route, this is because the taxi travel from
the airport.  Have fun Ukraine is wonderful, but do not let the
people in your pocket.  Have all aranged when you get there or expect
to pay the maximum.  sincerely, Steve




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What about taking a bus? Could this be an economical way to get to Vinnystsya?

Stefanie



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writes:
--- In UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schultz"
<scottaschultz@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I am looking for the best/easiest/fastest/cheapest way to get from
the
> airport in Kiev to Vinnitsa. I am also looking for accomodations
that a
> Westerner would be comfortable in at Vinnitsa as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott
>
Scott, I am hoping that these money mongers did not deter you. Are
you visiting someone? If so have them send a taxi from Vinnitsa to
Kiev to pick you up. If this is a woman then she could come with the
taxi from Vinnitsa. The cab fare from Kiev, for Kiev drivers are
expensive, is large. Drivers from Vinnitsa do not get so much money
and are far more resonable in their fees (could be one third of the
fees from a kiev driver). You are too close to go by train, the
second least expensive route, this is because the taxi travel from
the airport. Have fun Ukraine is wonderful, but do not let the
people in your pocket. Have all aranged when you get there or expect
to pay the maximum. sincerely, Steve





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know what thay thought of it good or bad ho i voted for kyiv in
monaply thanks how much should a person pay a month for a 1 or2 bed
room flat in this area daniel

--- In UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schultz"
<scottaschultz@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I am looking for the best/easiest/fastest/cheapest way to get from
the
> airport in Kiev to Vinnitsa. I am also looking for accomodations
that a
> Westerner would be comfortable in at Vinnitsa as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott
>
Scott, I am hoping that these money mongers did not deter you.  Are
you visiting someone?  If so have them send a taxi from Vinnitsa to
Kiev to pick you up.  If this is a woman then she could come with the
taxi from Vinnitsa.  The cab fare from Kiev, for Kiev drivers are
expensive, is large.  Drivers from Vinnitsa do not get so much money
and are far more resonable in their fees (could be one third of the
fees from a kiev driver).  You are too close to go by train, the
second least expensive route, this is because the taxi travel from
the airport.  Have fun Ukraine is wonderful, but do not let the
people in your pocket.  Have all aranged when you get there or expect
to pay the maximum.  sincerely, Steve

Hi Eugene,
IF I return, I will want to visit Crimea again as well
as Odessa.
I'm not sure what timeframe I'm looking at....probably
late August.
Thanks!
Kesha

--- yudjin51 <yudjin51@...> wrote:

> Hi Kesha,
>
> > I'm dying to go back to Ukraine, but I've lost
> > contact with my friends and my Russian is TERRIBLE
>
> When are you going to visit Ukraine and which part
> of it? I live in
> Crimea but perhaps I can help you with something
> outside of Crimea
> too. Feel free to ask me questions if you want.
>
> Regards,
> Eugene
> www.aroundcrimea.com
>
>



      
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Hello Scott,

Of course the best/easiest/fastest way to get to Vinnitsa is to take a car,
though it is not cheap - around $200. As for the cheapest way it is train. There
are many trains going from Kiev to Vinnitsa and back both at day time and at
night so if you let me know aproximate time when you would like to start I's
advise you the most convenient one. Do you want to go straight from Borispol
airport? I'd be glad to help you to arrnge either train tickets or car services,
just let me know.

Also we provide apartment rent services in Vinnitsa and prices are from $45 a
night. All the apartments are nice furnitured and located in or close to
downtown. Let me know the dates when you need accommodation and how many rooms
and sleeping places you require along with other preferences if you have them,
so I'll give you several variants of apartments available at the period of your
stay with photos & descriptions.

Feel free to ask any further questions

Regards,
Vlad Kiriya
UKRUS


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Scott Schultz
   To: UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:17 PM
   Subject: [UkrainianTravel] Travel from Kiev to Vinnitsa


   Greetings!

   I am looking for the best/easiest/fastest/cheapest way to get from the
   airport in Kiev to Vinnitsa. I am also looking for accomodations that a
   Westerner would be comfortable in at Vinnitsa as well.

   Thank you,
   Scott





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Hi Kesha,

> I'm dying to go back to Ukraine, but I've lost
> contact with my friends and my Russian is TERRIBLE

When are you going to visit Ukraine and which part of it? I live in
Crimea but perhaps I can help you with something outside of Crimea
too. Feel free to ask me questions if you want.

Regards,
Eugene
www.aroundcrimea.com

Hi Scott,

I'd say "the best/easiest/fastest/cheapest way" is a train from Kiev
to Vinnitsa: takes 4 hours only. If you let me know the date and time
of your arrival to Kiev, I can tell you most decent train. Of course,
somebody should help you to buy ticket - never expect to find English
speaking people at railway station. :-(

For accommodation there are several hotels. The best location has
"Savoy Vinnitsa" Sobornaya 69, phone 380-432-35-8067, 380-432-32-1771,
Hotel is partly renovated, has several decent rooms. The most
expensive luxury - $90-95

Hotel "Energetic"  Yasny street 12phone  +38 (0432) 27-95-90
Located 15-20 minutes from center, the most expensive room is under $60.

Hotel "Gostiny dvor"  Pirogova street 135
20 minutes from center. Phones +38 (0432) 35-24-82,  32-57-29,
57-12-90,  57-12-91

Prices are $70 and less.

Hope it helps. Let me know if you want more details.

Regards,
Eugene
www.aroundcrimea.com


--- In UkrainianTravel@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schultz"
<scottaschultz@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I am looking for the best/easiest/fastest/cheapest way to get
> from the airport in Kiev to Vinnitsa. I am also looking
> for accomodations that a Westerner would be comfortable
> in at Vinnitsa as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott
>

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Hi Scott.
I stayed with friends in Vinnitsa who arranged a car
for my return (we took the train from Simferopol to
Vinnitsa), so I guess I've not really got any
suggestions for you. I just wanted to ask when you're
going. I'm dying to go back to Ukraine, but I've lost
contact with my friends and my Russian is TERRIBLE
(and I know NO Ukrainian). Oh well.
I hope you have a blast! Make sure you post about your
visit after your return!
Kesha


--- Scott Schultz <scottaschultz@...> wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I am looking for the best/easiest/fastest/cheapest
> way to get from the
> airport in Kiev to Vinnitsa. I am also looking for
> accomodations that a
> Westerner would be comfortable in at Vinnitsa as
> well.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott
>
>



      
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Greetings!

I am looking for the best/easiest/fastest/cheapest way to get from the
airport in Kiev to Vinnitsa. I am also looking for accomodations that a
Westerner would be comfortable in at Vinnitsa as well.

Thank you,
Scott