11.12.04

International cyclo-cross comes to Washington DC!

We are pleased to announce that Fitness Concepts will be the title sponsor for the race this year. Fitness Concepts is the largest and most successful coaching company in the region, with a staff of 13 coaches and over 150 clients, which includes three of the top road teams in the area. Ken Mierke, Fitness Concepts’ head coach, is Director of Training for Joe Friel's Ultrafit and a prominent coach and frequent contributor on the TrainingBible.com message board. Additional information about Fitness Concepts can be found on their web site: www.Fitness-Concepts.com

Lake Fairfax Park (home of the Water Mine water park) in Reston, VA has been a favorite destination for ‘cross races the previous 6 years as its natural bowl-like setting is perfect for ‘cross racing. With terrain and elevation changes perfectly suited for the shorter, more intense style of cyclo-cross racing, this park offers it all. A well-balanced, technical course promises to be a good battle among for all classes. The park authority has taken a special interest in offering the best possible racing experience and making sure that it will be a very visual, spectator-friendly community event.

Fellow organizers,

I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now be an
annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.

I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has agreed to
attend our meeting.

I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?

I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come prepared
with your preferred dates.

I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there are any
objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.

Looking forward to seeing all of you there.

Adam
--
Adam F. Hodges Myerson
Cycle-Smart, Inc.
President, Solutions for Cycling
PO Box 1482
Northampton, MA 01061
617.776.1833 Office
413.204.3202 Mobile
512.681.7043 Fax
adam@...
http://cycle-smart.com
http://necyclocross.com
http://eastcoastcross.com

Fellow organizers,

I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now be an
annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.

I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has agreed to
attend our meeting.

I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?

I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come prepared
with your preferred dates.

I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there are any
objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.

Looking forward to seeing all of you there.

Adam
--
Adam F. Hodges Myerson
Cycle-Smart, Inc.
President, Solutions for Cycling
PO Box 1482
Northampton, MA 01061
617.776.1833 Office
413.204.3202 Mobile
512.681.7043 Fax
adam@...
http://cycle-smart.com
http://necyclocross.com
http://eastcoastcross.com

Organizers,

I want to try to put together a tentative schedule before our meeting next
week.

If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just staying on the same date,
please let me know. Some of you have already contacted me, so thanks for
that.

Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup rumors, yes, it's me putting
in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.

Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and he's looking forward to
meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon as it's finalized.

Adam
--
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Cycle-Smart, Inc.
President, Solutions for Cycling
PO Box 1482
Northampton, MA 01061
617.776.1833 Office
413.204.3202 Mobile
512.681.7043 Fax
adam@...
http://cycle-smart.com
http://necyclocross.com
http://eastcoastcross.com

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----- Original Message -----

From: Adam Hodges Myerson

To: USAICO

Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:19 PM

Subject: [USAICO] 2005/6 schedule

Organizers,

I want to try to put together a tentative schedule before our meeting next
week.

If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just staying on the same date,
please let me know. Some of you have already contacted me, so thanks for
that.

Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup rumors, yes, it's me putting
in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.

Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and he's looking forward to
meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon as it's finalized.

Adam
--
Adam F. Hodges Myerson
Cycle-Smart, Inc.
President, Solutions for Cycling
PO Box 1482
Northampton, MA 01061
617.776.1833 Office
413.204.3202 Mobile
512.681.7043 Fax
adam@...
http://cycle-smart.com
http://necyclocross.com
http://eastcoastcross.com

Fellow organizers,

I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now be an
annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.

I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has agreed to
attend our meeting.

I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?

I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come prepared
with your preferred dates.

I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there are any
objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.

Looking forward to seeing all of you there.

Adam
--
Adam F. Hodges Myerson
Cycle-Smart, Inc.
President, Solutions for Cycling
PO Box 1482
Northampton, MA 01061
617.776.1833 Office
413.204.3202 Mobile
512.681.7043 Fax
adam@...
http://cycle-smart.com
http://necyclocross.com
http://eastcoastcross.com

Will the USGP be back in '05...?  If so, anyone know
how that schedule is determined...?

Granogue/Wissahickon tentative dates; 10-22 & 10-23.

--- Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...> wrote:

> Organizers,
>
> I want to try to put together a tentative schedule
> before our meeting next
> week.
>
> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just
> staying on the same date,
> please let me know. Some of you have already
> contacted me, so thanks for
> that.
>
> Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup
> rumors, yes, it's me putting
> in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
>
> Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and
> he's looking forward to
> meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon
> as it's finalized.
>
> Adam
> --
> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
> President, Solutions for Cycling
> PO Box 1482
> Northampton, MA 01061
> 617.776.1833 Office
> 413.204.3202 Mobile
> 512.681.7043 Fax
> adam@...
> http://cycle-smart.com
> http://necyclocross.com
> http://eastcoastcross.com
>
>
>
>



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That's the plan right now, lucky you!

There's a small chance it could go one week later, but I wouldn't count on
it.

Thanks, Joel.

Adam


on 12/2/04 8:27 PM, Joel Brown at trainingcycles@... wrote:

> Hello Adam,
>
> I'm expecting to keep the W.E. Stedman G.P. on the Saturday before Nationals.
> Will Nats be the second weekend in December again?
>
> Take care,
> Joel
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>   To: USAICO
>   Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:19 PM
>   Subject: [USAICO] 2005/6 schedule
>
>
>   Organizers,
>
>   I want to try to put together a tentative schedule before our meeting next
>   week.
>
>   If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just staying on the same date,
>   please let me know. Some of you have already contacted me, so thanks for
>   that.
>
>   Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup rumors, yes, it's me putting
>   in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
>
>   Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and he's looking forward to
>   meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon as it's finalized.
>
>   Adam
>   --
>   Adam F. Hodges Myerson
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>   President, Solutions for Cycling
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Naturally. But I'll still find a way to mock those not in attendance as
punishment.

Attached are the minutes from last year's meeting, to refresh people of what
the issues were a year ago, and provide and example of what you can expect.

Date, Chip, date. Are you planning to stay on your date next year?

Adam


on 12/2/04 9:53 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:

> adam,
>
> for those that will not be able to make it, i'm sure you will provide a
> well documented report to keep us in the loop.
>
> chip
> Cap Cross Classic
> VA
> ------------------------------------
>
> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>
>> Fellow organizers,
>>
>> I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now be an
>> annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.
>>
>> I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has agreed to
>> attend our meeting.
>>
>> I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
>> agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?
>>
>> I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come
>> prepared
>> with your preferred dates.
>>
>> I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there
>> are any
>> objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing all of you there.
>>
>> Adam
>> --
>> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>> President, Solutions for Cycling
>> PO Box 1482
>> Northampton, MA 01061
>> 617.776.1833 Office
>> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>> 512.681.7043 Fax
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>> http://eastcoastcross.com
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Overview of the inaugural meeting of the US Association of International
Cyclo-Cross Organizers

All,

We had what I would consider to be a very successful meeting at nationals,
albeit a late start and finish, and sleepy eyes by the time we were done. To
assemble a large portion of US UCI event organizers in the same room for the
first time was a major, historic accomplishment. I'd like to thank all of
you who attended.

I didn't keep meeting minutes, but I'll try to review the main points that
were hit upon, and directions that were chosen.

Present were race organizers from CA, WA, OR, NC, UT, MA, ME, and MI, as
well as "interested party" Geoff Proctor, and USAC National Events
Coordinator Matt Murphy. (Matt's new assistant was present as well, and I
apologize for forgetting his name.)

Major Points:

1. Matt handed out the UCI calendar application for 2004. The original
deadline was Dec. 15, but that has been extended to Jan. 5. To receive a
copy of the application from Matt by fax, please e-mail him your fax number
and contact info at <mmurphy@...>. Matt is also on the USAICO
e-mail list.

2. USAC permit fees must be paid according to your full prize list in 2004.
Previous "arrangements" some promoters had in the past, carrying over from
Tara Morris, are no longer valid. This permit fee is different from your
calendar fee you pay to the UCI.

Schedule Issues/Philosophy:

3. It was put forth that the SuperCup raised the level of 'cross in the US,
and broke down many of the regional, even tribal barriers that created much
of the negative rivalries that existed in the '80's and '90's. It was agreed
that with the new generation of riders and promoters, healthy rivalries are
fun, but we're committed to working together and learning from each other
for the benefit of US 'cross as a whole. Destructive scene rivalry is dead.

4. Without the SuperCup, the "middle" of the sport has been filled in and
strengthened by the growth of a Cyclo-Cross National Racing Calendar,
consisting of all the US UCI races. However, we still need to be moving
towards a reintroduction of a "US Pro Cyclo-Cross Tour," consisting of a
weekend of the biggest races in each strong 'cross region, currently the
Northwest, NorCal, New England, and the Mid-Atlantic. Ideally, this would
happen in 2005. Even after that, the 'cross NRC will still have value, as
UCI points will continue to be a factor in worlds selection criteria, as
Matt pointed out. However, a pro 'cross tour will guarantee the best riders
from every region attending at least 6-8 races before nationals.

5. It was agreed that the development of the NRC had to take a bi-coastal
approach, with the middle races (currently, Michigan, Salt Lake, and Reno)
trying to fit in amongst that schedule where it makes the most sense. That
means the east coast and west coast first working together to make sure that
for riders within the respective region, there are no (or minimal) conflicts
within driving distances, and that there are races every weekend. From
there, each coast will come together (primarily Jim Brown representing the
West, and myself representing the East), and try to mitigate major conflicts
if possible.

With the incredibly early deadline from the UCI this year, however, this
will be nearly impossible. The current situation is essentially that the
east has already finalized it's schedule, leaving room for established big
west coast weekends (namely Seattle/Portland and Nationals), and hoping the
Western promoters can work around that schedule to everyone's benefit.

6. It was suggested that regions with warmer weather begin to look to
organizing UCI events after nationals, in January. Generally, the season was
considered to begin the weekend after Labor Day and go until the weekend
before Christmas. Further expansion is desired at least until the second
weekend of January (the traditional national championships date), and in
further years, until the last weekend of January (the weekend before the
world championships).

7. A January nationals was generally agreed as desirable, with many caveats.
No one was in a hurry to see it happen, yet the consensus seemed to be that
we would get there sooner or later, and was a necessary carrot for extending
the season in most regions. For it to happen, a promoter needs to put in a
bid willing to go on that date, the "mood" of the 'cross community would be
evaluated, and a decision made. The pros and cons were many, we've all heard
them before, and are too long to list here.

8. It was agreed that all the US UCI organizers would loosely join together
under the banner of the US Association of International Cyclo-Cross
Organizers, modeled after the AIOC-Cross in Europe. The USAICO e-mail list
would become the primary means of communication between UCI organizers, and
between Matt Murphy and us. From this e-mail on, all correspondence will be
done there. UCI race organizers receiving this e-mail who have not joined
the list should do so here: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAICO/>. This
group will be limited to one person per event, an organizer or president of
a series of events, and Matt Murphy. We would be happy to have a
representative from the UCI and/or the AIOC-Cross on the list as well.

9. It was suggested that all UCI promoters should generally try to attend
each other's events, but specifically the US Nationals Championships and the
UCI World Championships, as our two "conventions." We agreed on a yearly
meeting at nationals, and all were encouraged to attend the AIOC-Cross
meeting at Worlds this year, to become part of the international 'cross
community.

10. The East Coast 'Cross schedule was presented:

Date Race Name Location Category
Oct. 16 Downeast Cyclo-Cross New Gloucester, ME 3
Oct. 23 Granogue, DE 2
Oct. 24 Wissahickon, PA 3
Oct. 30 Central Mass Cyclo-Cross to End Homelessness Worcester, MA 2
Oct. 31 ECV/Clif Bar Cyclo-Cross Gloucester, MA 2
Nov. 6 Saturn Classic Harrisburg, PA 2
Nov. 7 Harrisburg, PA 3
Nov. 13 Chainbiter 6.0 Farmington, CT 2/3?
Nov. 14 14th Cycle-Smart International Northampton, MA 2
Nov. 20 Beacon Bridgeton, NJ 3
Nov. 21 Highland Park, NJ 2
Nov. 27 Gearworks Cyclo-Cross Sterling, MA 3
Dec. 4 Reston, VA 3
Dec. 4 WE Stedman Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross S. Kingston, RI 3
Dec. 5 NEBC Cyclo-Cross Merrimack, NH 3

Other known dates were Jonny Sundt's race on the last weekend of September,
Michigan on the first weekend of October, and Portland/Seattle on the second
weekend of October. The 2004 trade show in Vegas is on October 6-8,
Wednesday-Friday.

With that, the meeting was generally concluded, with a commitment to keeping
the lines of communication open and continuing to work together.

I believe that every US UCI organizer is represented here, with the
exception of the Reno promoter, whose e-mail has bounced in the past. If
anyone knows this person and can contact him or forward this e-mail to him
at a better address, please do so, and CC me on it.

Thank you, everyone.

Adam
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K, Wade has been invited to the list.

Brian, I can take you off when you want, or you can remove yourself when
you're ready, or your welcome to stay on if you want to still advice Wade on
the race. It's up to you.

Thanks for all your hard effort putting Beacon on. Glad you finally got to
see it to UCI status before you passed it on.

So, will you stay on the same date?

Adam


on 12/2/04 7:39 PM, Burgess Brian at brianburgess3593@... wrote:

> Congrats on the WC bid. You deserve it. I copied Wade Hess above. He needs to
> get on this list since he's taking over as the primary promoter of Beacon CX.
> I'm retiring.
>
> Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...> wrote:Organizers,
>
> I want to try to put together a tentative schedule before our meeting next
> week.
>
> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just staying on the same date,
> please let me know. Some of you have already contacted me, so thanks for
> that.
>
> Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup rumors, yes, it's me putting
> in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
>
> Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and he's looking forward to
> meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon as it's finalized.
>
> Adam

Thanks, Kelly.

Regarding the GP, I can only tell you how the process went last year for
choosing the dates. I don't expect to be involved in any way next year.

Basically, Bruce Fina, Brad Ross, Stu Thorne, Matt Murphy and myself sat
down at worlds, looked at the calendar, and tried to pick 3 double weekends
that represented the best spacing on the calendar, and provided 2 plane
trips in either direction, including nationals. (2 west coast, 2 east
coast). It wasn't necessarily an attempt to pick the absolute best races, or
all the cat. 1 races. (Northampton wasn't included, for instance, or
Granogue, and there were no races in CA.) Logistics were as important as
anything else.

This year, my understanding is that they'd like to make sure there's also a
double California weekend, and the races that were in the GP this year
aren't automatically GP races next year.

Really, the question is best suited for Bruce Fina, who is not on this list.
I'm simply making educated guesses.

Adam


on 12/2/04 9:56 PM, kjc at kc2738@... wrote:

>
> Will the USGP be back in '05...?  If so, anyone know
> how that schedule is determined...?
>
> Granogue/Wissahickon tentative dates; 10-22 & 10-23.
>
> --- Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...> wrote:
>
>> Organizers,
>>
>> I want to try to put together a tentative schedule
>> before our meeting next
>> week.
>>
>> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just
>> staying on the same date,
>> please let me know. Some of you have already
>> contacted me, so thanks for
>> that.
>>
>> Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup
>> rumors, yes, it's me putting
>> in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
>>
>> Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and
>> he's looking forward to
>> meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon
>> as it's finalized.
>>
>> Adam
>> --
>> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>> President, Solutions for Cycling
>> PO Box 1482
>> Northampton, MA 01061
>> 617.776.1833 Office
>> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>> 512.681.7043 Fax
>> adam@...
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>> http://necyclocross.com
>> http://eastcoastcross.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Naturally. But I'll still find a way to mock those not in attendance as
punishment.

Attached are the minutes from last year's meeting, to refresh people of what
the issues were a year ago, and provide and example of what you can expect.

Date, Chip, date. Are you planning to stay on your date next year?

Adam


on 12/2/04 9:53 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:

> adam,
>
> for those that will not be able to make it, i'm sure you will provide a
> well documented report to keep us in the loop.
>
> chip
> Cap Cross Classic
> VA
> ------------------------------------
>
> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>
>> Fellow organizers,
>>
>> I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now be an
>> annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.
>>
>> I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has agreed to
>> attend our meeting.
>>
>> I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
>> agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?
>>
>> I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come
>> prepared
>> with your preferred dates.
>>
>> I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there
>> are any
>> objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing all of you there.
>>
>> Adam
>> --
>> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>> President, Solutions for Cycling
>> PO Box 1482
>> Northampton, MA 01061
>> 617.776.1833 Office
>> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>> 512.681.7043 Fax
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Subject: [USAICO] USAICO Meeting overview

From: Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...>

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:57:22 -0500

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Overview of the inaugural meeting of the US Association of International
Cyclo-Cross Organizers
All,
We had what I would consider to be a very successful meeting at nationals,
albeit a late start and finish, and sleepy eyes by the time we were done. To
assemble a large portion of US UCI event organizers in the same room for the
first time was a major, historic accomplishment. I'd like to thank all of
you who attended.
I didn't keep meeting minutes, but I'll try to review the main points that
were hit upon, and directions that were chosen.
Present were race organizers from CA, WA, OR, NC, UT, MA, ME, and MI, as
well as "interested party" Geoff Proctor, and USAC National Events
Coordinator Matt Murphy. (Matt's new assistant was present as well, and I
apologize for forgetting his name.)
Major Points:
1. Matt handed out the UCI calendar application for 2004. The original
deadline was Dec. 15, but that has been extended to Jan. 5. To receive a
copy of the application from Matt by fax, please e-mail him your fax number
and contact info at <mmurphy@...>. Matt is also on the USAICO
e-mail list.
2. USAC permit fees must be paid according to your full prize list in 2004.
Previous "arrangements" some promoters had in the past, carrying over from
Tara Morris, are no longer valid. This permit fee is different from your
calendar fee you pay to the UCI.
Schedule Issues/Philosophy:
3. It was put forth that the SuperCup raised the level of 'cross in the US,
and broke down many of the regional, even tribal barriers that created much
of the negative rivalries that existed in the '80's and '90's. It was agreed
that with the new generation of riders and promoters, healthy rivalries are
fun, but we're committed to working together and learning from each other
for the benefit of US 'cross as a whole. Destructive scene rivalry is dead.
4. Without the SuperCup, the "middle" of the sport has been filled in and
strengthened by the growth of a Cyclo-Cross National Racing Calendar,
consisting of all the US UCI races. However, we still need to be moving
towards a reintroduction of a "US Pro Cyclo-Cross Tour," consisting of a
weekend of the biggest races in each strong 'cross region, currently the
Northwest, NorCal, New England, and the Mid-Atlantic. Ideally, this would
happen in 2005. Even after that, the 'cross NRC will still have value, as
UCI points will continue to be a factor in worlds selection criteria, as
Matt pointed out. However, a pro 'cross tour will guarantee the best riders
from every region attending at least 6-8 races before nationals.
5. It was agreed that the development of the NRC had to take a bi-coastal
approach, with the middle races (currently, Michigan, Salt Lake, and Reno)
trying to fit in amongst that schedule where it makes the most sense. That
means the east coast and west coast first working together to make sure that
for riders within the respective region, there are no (or minimal) conflicts
within driving distances, and that there are races every weekend. From
there, each coast will come together (primarily Jim Brown representing the
West, and myself representing the East), and try to mitigate major conflicts
if possible.
With the incredibly early deadline from the UCI this year, however, this
will be nearly impossible. The current situation is essentially that the
east has already finalized it's schedule, leaving room for established big
west coast weekends (namely Seattle/Portland and Nationals), and hoping the
Western promoters can work around that schedule to everyone's benefit.
6. It was suggested that regions with warmer weather begin to look to
organizing UCI events after nationals, in January. Generally, the season was
considered to begin the weekend after Labor Day and go until the weekend
before Christmas. Further expansion is desired at least until the second
weekend of January (the traditional national championships date), and in
further years, until the last weekend of January (the weekend before the
world championships).
7. A January nationals was generally agreed as desirable, with many caveats.
No one was in a hurry to see it happen, yet the consensus seemed to be that
we would get there sooner or later, and was a necessary carrot for extending
the season in most regions. For it to happen, a promoter needs to put in a
bid willing to go on that date, the "mood" of the 'cross community would be
evaluated, and a decision made. The pros and cons were many, we've all heard
them before, and are too long to list here.
8. It was agreed that all the US UCI organizers would loosely join together
under the banner of the US Association of International Cyclo-Cross
Organizers, modeled after the AIOC-Cross in Europe. The USAICO e-mail list
would become the primary means of communication between UCI organizers, and
between Matt Murphy and us. From this e-mail on, all correspondence will be
done there. UCI race organizers receiving this e-mail who have not joined
the list should do so here: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAICO/>. This
group will be limited to one person per event, an organizer or president of
a series of events, and Matt Murphy. We would be happy to have a
representative from the UCI and/or the AIOC-Cross on the list as well.
9. It was suggested that all UCI promoters should generally try to attend
each other's events, but specifically the US Nationals Championships and the
UCI World Championships, as our two "conventions." We agreed on a yearly
meeting at nationals, and all were encouraged to attend the AIOC-Cross
meeting at Worlds this year, to become part of the international 'cross
community.
10. The East Coast 'Cross schedule was presented:
Date Race Name Location Category
Oct. 16 Downeast Cyclo-Cross New Gloucester, ME 3
Oct. 23 Granogue, DE 2
Oct. 24 Wissahickon, PA 3
Oct. 30 Central Mass Cyclo-Cross to End Homelessness Worcester, MA 2
Oct. 31 ECV/Clif Bar Cyclo-Cross Gloucester, MA 2
Nov. 6 Saturn Classic Harrisburg, PA 2
Nov. 7 Harrisburg, PA 3
Nov. 13 Chainbiter 6.0 Farmington, CT 2/3?
Nov. 14 14th Cycle-Smart International Northampton, MA 2
Nov. 20 Beacon Bridgeton, NJ 3
Nov. 21 Highland Park, NJ 2
Nov. 27 Gearworks Cyclo-Cross Sterling, MA 3
Dec. 4 Reston, VA 3
Dec. 4 WE Stedman Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross S. Kingston, RI 3
Dec. 5 NEBC Cyclo-Cross Merrimack, NH 3
Other known dates were Jonny Sundt's race on the last weekend of September,
Michigan on the first weekend of October, and Portland/Seattle on the second
weekend of October. The 2004 trade show in Vegas is on October 6-8,
Wednesday-Friday.
With that, the meeting was generally concluded, with a commitment to keeping
the lines of communication open and continuing to work together.
I believe that every US UCI organizer is represented here, with the
exception of the Reno promoter, whose e-mail has bounced in the past. If
anyone knows this person and can contact him or forward this e-mail to him
at a better address, please do so, and CC me on it.
Thank you, everyone.
Adam

Chip, YOUR DATE!

Are you going to stay on the same date?


on 12/2/04 11:31 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:

> trust me, i'm bummed i can't make it out this year.   family, work...the
> usual commitments must prevail, but i'll be there in spirit.
>
>
> chip
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>
>> Naturally. But I'll still find a way to mock those not in attendance as
>> punishment.
>>
>> Attached are the minutes from last year's meeting, to refresh people
>> of what
>> the issues were a year ago, and provide and example of what you can
>> expect.
>>
>> Date, Chip, date. Are you planning to stay on your date next year?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> on 12/2/04 9:53 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:
>>
>>> adam,
>>>
>>> for those that will not be able to make it, i'm sure you will provide a
>>> well documented report to keep us in the loop.
>>>
>>> chip
>>> Cap Cross Classic
>>> VA
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fellow organizers,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now
>> be an
>>>> annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has
>> agreed to
>>>> attend our meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
>>>> agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?
>>>>
>>>> I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come
>>>> prepared
>>>> with your preferred dates.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there
>>>> are any
>>>> objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to seeing all of you there.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>> --
>>>> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>>>> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>>>> President, Solutions for Cycling
>>>> PO Box 1482
>>>> Northampton, MA 01061
>>>> 617.776.1833 Office
>>>> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>>>> 512.681.7043 Fax
>>>> adam@...
>>>> http://cycle-smart.com
>>>> http://necyclocross.com
>>>> http://eastcoastcross.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Subject:
>> [USAICO] USAICO Meeting overview
>> From:
>> Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...>
>> Date:
>> Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:57:22 -0500
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>> CC:
>> <dcowley@...>, Pat Flanagan <pflanagan@...>,
>> Richard Fries <rfries@...>, Bryan Jew <BJew@...>, Greg
>> Black <greg@...>, Michael Magur <mike@...>,
>> Andrew Albright <monkeyhillcs@...>, "Burgess, Brian
>> [Planning]" <BurgessB@...>, C Thomas McDaniel
>> <ctmcdaniel@...>, Craig Callan <CMCallan@...>, Mike Hebe
>> <mhebe@...>, <kc2738@...>, <kuhndog1@...>,
>> <slitvin@...>, <sovek@...>, Jonathan Sundt
>> <debehop@...>, Brian Furness
>> <brianfurness@...>, "Bisceglia, Gerard"
>> <gbisceglia@...>, Erwin Vervecken
>> <erwin.vervecken@...>, Régis Alexandre <cyclo-cross@...>,
>> NECCS Promoters <neccs_promoters@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>>
>> Overview of the inaugural meeting of the US Association of International
>> Cyclo-Cross Organizers
>>
>> All,
>>
>> We had what I would consider to be a very successful meeting at nationals,
>> albeit a late start and finish, and sleepy eyes by the time we were done. To
>> assemble a large portion of US UCI event organizers in the same room for the
>> first time was a major, historic accomplishment. I'd like to thank all of
>> you who attended.
>>
>> I didn't keep meeting minutes, but I'll try to review the main points that
>> were hit upon, and directions that were chosen.
>>
>> Present were race organizers from CA, WA, OR, NC, UT, MA, ME, and MI, as
>> well as "interested party" Geoff Proctor, and USAC National Events
>> Coordinator Matt Murphy. (Matt's new assistant was present as well, and I
>> apologize for forgetting his name.)
>>
>> Major Points:
>>
>> 1. Matt handed out the UCI calendar application for 2004. The original
>> deadline was Dec. 15, but that has been extended to Jan. 5. To receive a
>> copy of the application from Matt by fax, please e-mail him your fax number
>> and contact info at <mmurphy@...>. Matt is also on the USAICO
>> e-mail list.
>>
>> 2. USAC permit fees must be paid according to your full prize list in 2004.
>> Previous "arrangements" some promoters had in the past, carrying over from
>> Tara Morris, are no longer valid. This permit fee is different from your
>> calendar fee you pay to the UCI.
>>
>> Schedule Issues/Philosophy:
>>
>> 3. It was put forth that the SuperCup raised the level of 'cross in the US,
>> and broke down many of the regional, even tribal barriers that created much
>> of the negative rivalries that existed in the '80's and '90's. It was agreed
>> that with the new generation of riders and promoters, healthy rivalries are
>> fun, but we're committed to working together and learning from each other
>> for the benefit of US 'cross as a whole. Destructive scene rivalry is dead.
>>
>> 4. Without the SuperCup, the "middle" of the sport has been filled in and
>> strengthened by the growth of a Cyclo-Cross National Racing Calendar,
>> consisting of all the US UCI races. However, we still need to be moving
>> towards a reintroduction of a "US Pro Cyclo-Cross Tour," consisting of a
>> weekend of the biggest races in each strong 'cross region, currently the
>> Northwest, NorCal, New England, and the Mid-Atlantic. Ideally, this would
>> happen in 2005. Even after that, the 'cross NRC will still have value, as
>> UCI points will continue to be a factor in worlds selection criteria, as
>> Matt pointed out. However, a pro 'cross tour will guarantee the best riders
>> from every region attending at least 6-8 races before nationals.
>>
>> 5. It was agreed that the development of the NRC had to take a bi-coastal
>> approach, with the middle races (currently, Michigan, Salt Lake, and Reno)
>> trying to fit in amongst that schedule where it makes the most sense. That
>> means the east coast and west coast first working together to make sure that
>> for riders within the respective region, there are no (or minimal) conflicts
>> within driving distances, and that there are races every weekend. From
>> there, each coast will come together (primarily Jim Brown representing the
>> West, and myself representing the East), and try to mitigate major conflicts
>> if possible.
>>
>> With the incredibly early deadline from the UCI this year, however, this
>> will be nearly impossible. The current situation is essentially that the
>> east has already finalized it's schedule, leaving room for established big
>> west coast weekends (namely Seattle/Portland and Nationals), and hoping the
>> Western promoters can work around that schedule to everyone's benefit.
>>
>> 6. It was suggested that regions with warmer weather begin to look to
>> organizing UCI events after nationals, in January. Generally, the season was
>> considered to begin the weekend after Labor Day and go until the weekend
>> before Christmas. Further expansion is desired at least until the second
>> weekend of January (the traditional national championships date), and in
>> further years, until the last weekend of January (the weekend before the
>> world championships).
>>
>> 7. A January nationals was generally agreed as desirable, with many caveats.
>> No one was in a hurry to see it happen, yet the consensus seemed to be that
>> we would get there sooner or later, and was a necessary carrot for extending
>> the season in most regions. For it to happen, a promoter needs to put in a
>> bid willing to go on that date, the "mood" of the 'cross community would be
>> evaluated, and a decision made. The pros and cons were many, we've all heard
>> them before, and are too long to list here.
>>
>> 8. It was agreed that all the US UCI organizers would loosely join together
>> under the banner of the US Association of International Cyclo-Cross
>> Organizers, modeled after the AIOC-Cross in Europe. The USAICO e-mail list
>> would become the primary means of communication between UCI organizers, and
>> between Matt Murphy and us. From this e-mail on, all correspondence will be
>> done there. UCI race organizers receiving this e-mail who have not joined
>> the list should do so here: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAICO/>. This
>> group will be limited to one person per event, an organizer or president of
>> a series of events, and Matt Murphy. We would be happy to have a
>> representative from the UCI and/or the AIOC-Cross on the list as well.
>>
>> 9. It was suggested that all UCI promoters should generally try to attend
>> each other's events, but specifically the US Nationals Championships and the
>> UCI World Championships, as our two "conventions." We agreed on a yearly
>> meeting at nationals, and all were encouraged to attend the AIOC-Cross
>> meeting at Worlds this year, to become part of the international 'cross
>> community.
>>
>> 10. The East Coast 'Cross schedule was presented:
>>
>> Date Race Name Location Category
>> Oct. 16 Downeast Cyclo-Cross New Gloucester, ME 3
>> Oct. 23 Granogue, DE 2
>> Oct. 24 Wissahickon, PA 3
>> Oct. 30 Central Mass Cyclo-Cross to End Homelessness Worcester, MA 2
>> Oct. 31 ECV/Clif Bar Cyclo-Cross Gloucester, MA 2
>> Nov. 6 Saturn Classic Harrisburg, PA 2
>> Nov. 7 Harrisburg, PA 3
>> Nov. 13 Chainbiter 6.0 Farmington, CT 2/3?
>> Nov. 14 14th Cycle-Smart International Northampton, MA 2
>> Nov. 20 Beacon Bridgeton, NJ 3
>> Nov. 21 Highland Park, NJ 2
>> Nov. 27 Gearworks Cyclo-Cross Sterling, MA 3
>> Dec. 4 Reston, VA 3
>> Dec. 4 WE Stedman Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross S. Kingston, RI 3
>> Dec. 5 NEBC Cyclo-Cross Merrimack, NH 3
>>
>> Other known dates were Jonny Sundt's race on the last weekend of September,
>> Michigan on the first weekend of October, and Portland/Seattle on the second
>> weekend of October. The 2004 trade show in Vegas is on October 6-8,
>> Wednesday-Friday.
>>
>> With that, the meeting was generally concluded, with a commitment to keeping
>> the lines of communication open and continuing to work together.
>>
>> I believe that every US UCI organizer is represented here, with the
>> exception of the Reno promoter, whose e-mail has bounced in the past. If
>> anyone knows this person and can contact him or forward this e-mail to him
>> at a better address, please do so, and CC me on it.
>>
>> Thank you, everyone.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>

Adam

I'm waiting for some more info but for now Granogue will be the weekend
before Gloucester.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hodges Myerson [mailto:adam@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:52 PM
To: USAICO
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Nationals promoters' meeting


Chip, YOUR DATE!

Are you going to stay on the same date?


on 12/2/04 11:31 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:

> trust me, i'm bummed i can't make it out this year.   family, work...the
> usual commitments must prevail, but i'll be there in spirit.
>
>
> chip
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>
>> Naturally. But I'll still find a way to mock those not in attendance as
>> punishment.
>>
>> Attached are the minutes from last year's meeting, to refresh people
>> of what
>> the issues were a year ago, and provide and example of what you can
>> expect.
>>
>> Date, Chip, date. Are you planning to stay on your date next year?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> on 12/2/04 9:53 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:
>>
>>> adam,
>>>
>>> for those that will not be able to make it, i'm sure you will provide a
>>> well documented report to keep us in the loop.
>>>
>>> chip
>>> Cap Cross Classic
>>> VA
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fellow organizers,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now
>> be an
>>>> annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has
>> agreed to
>>>> attend our meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
>>>> agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?
>>>>
>>>> I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come
>>>> prepared
>>>> with your preferred dates.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there
>>>> are any
>>>> objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to seeing all of you there.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>> --
>>>> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>>>> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>>>> President, Solutions for Cycling
>>>> PO Box 1482
>>>> Northampton, MA 01061
>>>> 617.776.1833 Office
>>>> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>>>> 512.681.7043 Fax
>>>> adam@...
>>>> http://cycle-smart.com
>>>> http://necyclocross.com
>>>> http://eastcoastcross.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>>>> ADVERTISEMENT
>>>> click here
>>>>
>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Subject:
>> [USAICO] USAICO Meeting overview
>> From:
>> Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...>
>> Date:
>> Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:57:22 -0500
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>> CC:
>> <dcowley@...>, Pat Flanagan <pflanagan@...>,
>> Richard Fries <rfries@...>, Bryan Jew <BJew@...>, Greg
>> Black <greg@...>, Michael Magur <mike@...>,
>> Andrew Albright <monkeyhillcs@...>, "Burgess, Brian
>> [Planning]" <BurgessB@...>, C Thomas McDaniel
>> <ctmcdaniel@...>, Craig Callan <CMCallan@...>, Mike Hebe
>> <mhebe@...>, <kc2738@...>, <kuhndog1@...>,
>> <slitvin@...>, <sovek@...>, Jonathan Sundt
>> <debehop@...>, Brian Furness
>> <brianfurness@...>, "Bisceglia, Gerard"
>> <gbisceglia@...>, Erwin Vervecken
>> <erwin.vervecken@...>, Régis Alexandre <cyclo-cross@...>,
>> NECCS Promoters <neccs_promoters@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>>
>> Overview of the inaugural meeting of the US Association of International
>> Cyclo-Cross Organizers
>>
>> All,
>>
>> We had what I would consider to be a very successful meeting at
nationals,
>> albeit a late start and finish, and sleepy eyes by the time we were done.
To
>> assemble a large portion of US UCI event organizers in the same room for
the
>> first time was a major, historic accomplishment. I'd like to thank all of
>> you who attended.
>>
>> I didn't keep meeting minutes, but I'll try to review the main points
that
>> were hit upon, and directions that were chosen.
>>
>> Present were race organizers from CA, WA, OR, NC, UT, MA, ME, and MI, as
>> well as "interested party" Geoff Proctor, and USAC National Events
>> Coordinator Matt Murphy. (Matt's new assistant was present as well, and I
>> apologize for forgetting his name.)
>>
>> Major Points:
>>
>> 1. Matt handed out the UCI calendar application for 2004. The original
>> deadline was Dec. 15, but that has been extended to Jan. 5. To receive a
>> copy of the application from Matt by fax, please e-mail him your fax
number
>> and contact info at <mmurphy@...>. Matt is also on the USAICO
>> e-mail list.
>>
>> 2. USAC permit fees must be paid according to your full prize list in
2004.
>> Previous "arrangements" some promoters had in the past, carrying over
from
>> Tara Morris, are no longer valid. This permit fee is different from your
>> calendar fee you pay to the UCI.
>>
>> Schedule Issues/Philosophy:
>>
>> 3. It was put forth that the SuperCup raised the level of 'cross in the
US,
>> and broke down many of the regional, even tribal barriers that created
much
>> of the negative rivalries that existed in the '80's and '90's. It was
agreed
>> that with the new generation of riders and promoters, healthy rivalries
are
>> fun, but we're committed to working together and learning from each other
>> for the benefit of US 'cross as a whole. Destructive scene rivalry is
dead.
>>
>> 4. Without the SuperCup, the "middle" of the sport has been filled in and
>> strengthened by the growth of a Cyclo-Cross National Racing Calendar,
>> consisting of all the US UCI races. However, we still need to be moving
>> towards a reintroduction of a "US Pro Cyclo-Cross Tour," consisting of a
>> weekend of the biggest races in each strong 'cross region, currently the
>> Northwest, NorCal, New England, and the Mid-Atlantic. Ideally, this would
>> happen in 2005. Even after that, the 'cross NRC will still have value, as
>> UCI points will continue to be a factor in worlds selection criteria, as
>> Matt pointed out. However, a pro 'cross tour will guarantee the best
riders
>> from every region attending at least 6-8 races before nationals.
>>
>> 5. It was agreed that the development of the NRC had to take a bi-coastal
>> approach, with the middle races (currently, Michigan, Salt Lake, and
Reno)
>> trying to fit in amongst that schedule where it makes the most sense.
That
>> means the east coast and west coast first working together to make sure
that
>> for riders within the respective region, there are no (or minimal)
conflicts
>> within driving distances, and that there are races every weekend. From
>> there, each coast will come together (primarily Jim Brown representing
the
>> West, and myself representing the East), and try to mitigate major
conflicts
>> if possible.
>>
>> With the incredibly early deadline from the UCI this year, however, this
>> will be nearly impossible. The current situation is essentially that the
>> east has already finalized it's schedule, leaving room for established
big
>> west coast weekends (namely Seattle/Portland and Nationals), and hoping
the
>> Western promoters can work around that schedule to everyone's benefit.
>>
>> 6. It was suggested that regions with warmer weather begin to look to
>> organizing UCI events after nationals, in January. Generally, the season
was
>> considered to begin the weekend after Labor Day and go until the weekend
>> before Christmas. Further expansion is desired at least until the second
>> weekend of January (the traditional national championships date), and in
>> further years, until the last weekend of January (the weekend before the
>> world championships).
>>
>> 7. A January nationals was generally agreed as desirable, with many
caveats.
>> No one was in a hurry to see it happen, yet the consensus seemed to be
that
>> we would get there sooner or later, and was a necessary carrot for
extending
>> the season in most regions. For it to happen, a promoter needs to put in
a
>> bid willing to go on that date, the "mood" of the 'cross community would
be
>> evaluated, and a decision made. The pros and cons were many, we've all
heard
>> them before, and are too long to list here.
>>
>> 8. It was agreed that all the US UCI organizers would loosely join
together
>> under the banner of the US Association of International Cyclo-Cross
>> Organizers, modeled after the AIOC-Cross in Europe. The USAICO e-mail
list
>> would become the primary means of communication between UCI organizers,
and
>> between Matt Murphy and us. From this e-mail on, all correspondence will
be
>> done there. UCI race organizers receiving this e-mail who have not joined
>> the list should do so here: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAICO/>. This
>> group will be limited to one person per event, an organizer or president
of
>> a series of events, and Matt Murphy. We would be happy to have a
>> representative from the UCI and/or the AIOC-Cross on the list as well.
>>
>> 9. It was suggested that all UCI promoters should generally try to attend
>> each other's events, but specifically the US Nationals Championships and
the
>> UCI World Championships, as our two "conventions." We agreed on a yearly
>> meeting at nationals, and all were encouraged to attend the AIOC-Cross
>> meeting at Worlds this year, to become part of the international 'cross
>> community.
>>
>> 10. The East Coast 'Cross schedule was presented:
>>
>> Date Race Name Location Category
>> Oct. 16 Downeast Cyclo-Cross New Gloucester, ME 3
>> Oct. 23 Granogue, DE 2
>> Oct. 24 Wissahickon, PA 3
>> Oct. 30 Central Mass Cyclo-Cross to End Homelessness Worcester, MA 2
>> Oct. 31 ECV/Clif Bar Cyclo-Cross Gloucester, MA 2
>> Nov. 6 Saturn Classic Harrisburg, PA 2
>> Nov. 7 Harrisburg, PA 3
>> Nov. 13 Chainbiter 6.0 Farmington, CT 2/3?
>> Nov. 14 14th Cycle-Smart International Northampton, MA 2
>> Nov. 20 Beacon Bridgeton, NJ 3
>> Nov. 21 Highland Park, NJ 2
>> Nov. 27 Gearworks Cyclo-Cross Sterling, MA 3
>> Dec. 4 Reston, VA 3
>> Dec. 4 WE Stedman Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross S. Kingston, RI 3
>> Dec. 5 NEBC Cyclo-Cross Merrimack, NH 3
>>
>> Other known dates were Jonny Sundt's race on the last weekend of
September,
>> Michigan on the first weekend of October, and Portland/Seattle on the
second
>> weekend of October. The 2004 trade show in Vegas is on October 6-8,
>> Wednesday-Friday.
>>
>> With that, the meeting was generally concluded, with a commitment to
keeping
>> the lines of communication open and continuing to work together.
>>
>> I believe that every US UCI organizer is represented here, with the
>> exception of the Reno promoter, whose e-mail has bounced in the past. If
>> anyone knows this person and can contact him or forward this e-mail to
him
>> at a better address, please do so, and CC me on it.
>>
>> Thank you, everyone.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>






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I have flexibility around dates. I can stay at 11/6 timeframe or move up
into October. I may prefer moving my date forward, it helps in certain
logistics for me.
Hebe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hodges Myerson" <adam@...>
To: "USAICO" <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Nationals promoters' meeting



Chip, YOUR DATE!

Are you going to stay on the same date?


on 12/2/04 11:31 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:

> trust me, i'm bummed i can't make it out this year.   family, work...the
> usual commitments must prevail, but i'll be there in spirit.
>
>
> chip
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>
>> Naturally. But I'll still find a way to mock those not in attendance as
>> punishment.
>>
>> Attached are the minutes from last year's meeting, to refresh people
>> of what
>> the issues were a year ago, and provide and example of what you can
>> expect.
>>
>> Date, Chip, date. Are you planning to stay on your date next year?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> on 12/2/04 9:53 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:
>>
>>> adam,
>>>
>>> for those that will not be able to make it, i'm sure you will provide a
>>> well documented report to keep us in the loop.
>>>
>>> chip
>>> Cap Cross Classic
>>> VA
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fellow organizers,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now
>> be an
>>>> annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has
>> agreed to
>>>> attend our meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
>>>> agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?
>>>>
>>>> I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come
>>>> prepared
>>>> with your preferred dates.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there
>>>> are any
>>>> objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to seeing all of you there.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>> --
>>>> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>>>> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>>>> President, Solutions for Cycling
>>>> PO Box 1482
>>>> Northampton, MA 01061
>>>> 617.776.1833 Office
>>>> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>>>> 512.681.7043 Fax
>>>> adam@...
>>>> http://cycle-smart.com
>>>> http://necyclocross.com
>>>> http://eastcoastcross.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Subject:
>> [USAICO] USAICO Meeting overview
>> From:
>> Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...>
>> Date:
>> Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:57:22 -0500
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>> CC:
>> <dcowley@...>, Pat Flanagan <pflanagan@...>,
>> Richard Fries <rfries@...>, Bryan Jew <BJew@...>, Greg
>> Black <greg@...>, Michael Magur <mike@...>,
>> Andrew Albright <monkeyhillcs@...>, "Burgess, Brian
>> [Planning]" <BurgessB@...>, C Thomas McDaniel
>> <ctmcdaniel@...>, Craig Callan <CMCallan@...>, Mike Hebe
>> <mhebe@...>, <kc2738@...>, <kuhndog1@...>,
>> <slitvin@...>, <sovek@...>, Jonathan Sundt
>> <debehop@...>, Brian Furness
>> <brianfurness@...>, "Bisceglia, Gerard"
>> <gbisceglia@...>, Erwin Vervecken
>> <erwin.vervecken@...>, Régis Alexandre <cyclo-cross@...>,
>> NECCS Promoters <neccs_promoters@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>>
>> Overview of the inaugural meeting of the US Association of International
>> Cyclo-Cross Organizers
>>
>> All,
>>
>> We had what I would consider to be a very successful meeting at
>> nationals,
>> albeit a late start and finish, and sleepy eyes by the time we were done.
>> To
>> assemble a large portion of US UCI event organizers in the same room for
>> the
>> first time was a major, historic accomplishment. I'd like to thank all of
>> you who attended.
>>
>> I didn't keep meeting minutes, but I'll try to review the main points
>> that
>> were hit upon, and directions that were chosen.
>>
>> Present were race organizers from CA, WA, OR, NC, UT, MA, ME, and MI, as
>> well as "interested party" Geoff Proctor, and USAC National Events
>> Coordinator Matt Murphy. (Matt's new assistant was present as well, and I
>> apologize for forgetting his name.)
>>
>> Major Points:
>>
>> 1. Matt handed out the UCI calendar application for 2004. The original
>> deadline was Dec. 15, but that has been extended to Jan. 5. To receive a
>> copy of the application from Matt by fax, please e-mail him your fax
>> number
>> and contact info at <mmurphy@...>. Matt is also on the USAICO
>> e-mail list.
>>
>> 2. USAC permit fees must be paid according to your full prize list in
>> 2004.
>> Previous "arrangements" some promoters had in the past, carrying over
>> from
>> Tara Morris, are no longer valid. This permit fee is different from your
>> calendar fee you pay to the UCI.
>>
>> Schedule Issues/Philosophy:
>>
>> 3. It was put forth that the SuperCup raised the level of 'cross in the
>> US,
>> and broke down many of the regional, even tribal barriers that created
>> much
>> of the negative rivalries that existed in the '80's and '90's. It was
>> agreed
>> that with the new generation of riders and promoters, healthy rivalries
>> are
>> fun, but we're committed to working together and learning from each other
>> for the benefit of US 'cross as a whole. Destructive scene rivalry is
>> dead.
>>
>> 4. Without the SuperCup, the "middle" of the sport has been filled in and
>> strengthened by the growth of a Cyclo-Cross National Racing Calendar,
>> consisting of all the US UCI races. However, we still need to be moving
>> towards a reintroduction of a "US Pro Cyclo-Cross Tour," consisting of a
>> weekend of the biggest races in each strong 'cross region, currently the
>> Northwest, NorCal, New England, and the Mid-Atlantic. Ideally, this would
>> happen in 2005. Even after that, the 'cross NRC will still have value, as
>> UCI points will continue to be a factor in worlds selection criteria, as
>> Matt pointed out. However, a pro 'cross tour will guarantee the best
>> riders
>> from every region attending at least 6-8 races before nationals.
>>
>> 5. It was agreed that the development of the NRC had to take a bi-coastal
>> approach, with the middle races (currently, Michigan, Salt Lake, and
>> Reno)
>> trying to fit in amongst that schedule where it makes the most sense.
>> That
>> means the east coast and west coast first working together to make sure
>> that
>> for riders within the respective region, there are no (or minimal)
>> conflicts
>> within driving distances, and that there are races every weekend. From
>> there, each coast will come together (primarily Jim Brown representing
>> the
>> West, and myself representing the East), and try to mitigate major
>> conflicts
>> if possible.
>>
>> With the incredibly early deadline from the UCI this year, however, this
>> will be nearly impossible. The current situation is essentially that the
>> east has already finalized it's schedule, leaving room for established
>> big
>> west coast weekends (namely Seattle/Portland and Nationals), and hoping
>> the
>> Western promoters can work around that schedule to everyone's benefit.
>>
>> 6. It was suggested that regions with warmer weather begin to look to
>> organizing UCI events after nationals, in January. Generally, the season
>> was
>> considered to begin the weekend after Labor Day and go until the weekend
>> before Christmas. Further expansion is desired at least until the second
>> weekend of January (the traditional national championships date), and in
>> further years, until the last weekend of January (the weekend before the
>> world championships).
>>
>> 7. A January nationals was generally agreed as desirable, with many
>> caveats.
>> No one was in a hurry to see it happen, yet the consensus seemed to be
>> that
>> we would get there sooner or later, and was a necessary carrot for
>> extending
>> the season in most regions. For it to happen, a promoter needs to put in
>> a
>> bid willing to go on that date, the "mood" of the 'cross community would
>> be
>> evaluated, and a decision made. The pros and cons were many, we've all
>> heard
>> them before, and are too long to list here.
>>
>> 8. It was agreed that all the US UCI organizers would loosely join
>> together
>> under the banner of the US Association of International Cyclo-Cross
>> Organizers, modeled after the AIOC-Cross in Europe. The USAICO e-mail
>> list
>> would become the primary means of communication between UCI organizers,
>> and
>> between Matt Murphy and us. From this e-mail on, all correspondence will
>> be
>> done there. UCI race organizers receiving this e-mail who have not joined
>> the list should do so here: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAICO/>. This
>> group will be limited to one person per event, an organizer or president
>> of
>> a series of events, and Matt Murphy. We would be happy to have a
>> representative from the UCI and/or the AIOC-Cross on the list as well.
>>
>> 9. It was suggested that all UCI promoters should generally try to attend
>> each other's events, but specifically the US Nationals Championships and
>> the
>> UCI World Championships, as our two "conventions." We agreed on a yearly
>> meeting at nationals, and all were encouraged to attend the AIOC-Cross
>> meeting at Worlds this year, to become part of the international 'cross
>> community.
>>
>> 10. The East Coast 'Cross schedule was presented:
>>
>> Date Race Name Location Category
>> Oct. 16 Downeast Cyclo-Cross New Gloucester, ME 3
>> Oct. 23 Granogue, DE 2
>> Oct. 24 Wissahickon, PA 3
>> Oct. 30 Central Mass Cyclo-Cross to End Homelessness Worcester, MA 2
>> Oct. 31 ECV/Clif Bar Cyclo-Cross Gloucester, MA 2
>> Nov. 6 Saturn Classic Harrisburg, PA 2
>> Nov. 7 Harrisburg, PA 3
>> Nov. 13 Chainbiter 6.0 Farmington, CT 2/3?
>> Nov. 14 14th Cycle-Smart International Northampton, MA 2
>> Nov. 20 Beacon Bridgeton, NJ 3
>> Nov. 21 Highland Park, NJ 2
>> Nov. 27 Gearworks Cyclo-Cross Sterling, MA 3
>> Dec. 4 Reston, VA 3
>> Dec. 4 WE Stedman Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross S. Kingston, RI 3
>> Dec. 5 NEBC Cyclo-Cross Merrimack, NH 3
>>
>> Other known dates were Jonny Sundt's race on the last weekend of
>> September,
>> Michigan on the first weekend of October, and Portland/Seattle on the
>> second
>> weekend of October. The 2004 trade show in Vegas is on October 6-8,
>> Wednesday-Friday.
>>
>> With that, the meeting was generally concluded, with a commitment to
>> keeping
>> the lines of communication open and continuing to work together.
>>
>> I believe that every US UCI organizer is represented here, with the
>> exception of the Reno promoter, whose e-mail has bounced in the past. If
>> anyone knows this person and can contact him or forward this e-mail to
>> him
>> at a better address, please do so, and CC me on it.
>>
>> Thank you, everyone.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>






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Chip, YOUR DATE!

Are you going to stay on the same date?


on 12/2/04 11:31 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:

> trust me, i'm bummed i can't make it out this year.   family, work...the
> usual commitments must prevail, but i'll be there in spirit.
>
>
> chip
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>
>> Naturally. But I'll still find a way to mock those not in attendance as
>> punishment.
>>
>> Attached are the minutes from last year's meeting, to refresh people
>> of what
>> the issues were a year ago, and provide and example of what you can
>> expect.
>>
>> Date, Chip, date. Are you planning to stay on your date next year?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> on 12/2/04 9:53 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:
>>
>>> adam,
>>>
>>> for those that will not be able to make it, i'm sure you will provide a
>>> well documented report to keep us in the loop.
>>>
>>> chip
>>> Cap Cross Classic
>>> VA
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fellow organizers,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now
>> be an
>>>> annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has
>> agreed to
>>>> attend our meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
>>>> agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?
>>>>
>>>> I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come
>>>> prepared
>>>> with your preferred dates.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there
>>>> are any
>>>> objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to seeing all of you there.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>> --
>>>> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>>>> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>>>> President, Solutions for Cycling
>>>> PO Box 1482
>>>> Northampton, MA 01061
>>>> 617.776.1833 Office
>>>> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>>>> 512.681.7043 Fax
>>>> adam@...
>>>> http://cycle-smart.com
>>>> http://necyclocross.com
>>>> http://eastcoastcross.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>>>> ADVERTISEMENT
>>>> click here
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> tflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>
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>> Subject:
>> [USAICO] USAICO Meeting overview
>> From:
>> Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...>
>> Date:
>> Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:57:22 -0500
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>> CC:
>> <dcowley@...>, Pat Flanagan <pflanagan@...>,
>> Richard Fries <rfries@...>, Bryan Jew <BJew@...>, Greg
>> Black <greg@...>, Michael Magur <mike@...>,
>> Andrew Albright <monkeyhillcs@...>, "Burgess, Brian
>> [Planning]" <BurgessB@...>, C Thomas McDaniel
>> <ctmcdaniel@...>, Craig Callan <CMCallan@...>, Mike Hebe
>> <mhebe@...>, <kc2738@...>, <kuhndog1@...>,
>> <slitvin@...>, <sovek@...>, Jonathan Sundt
>> <debehop@...>, Brian Furness
>> <brianfurness@...>, "Bisceglia, Gerard"
>> <gbisceglia@...>, Erwin Vervecken
>> <erwin.vervecken@...>, Régis Alexandre <cyclo-cross@...>,
>> NECCS Promoters <neccs_promoters@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>>
>> Overview of the inaugural meeting of the US Association of International
>> Cyclo-Cross Organizers
>>
>> All,
>>
>> We had what I would consider to be a very successful meeting at nationals,
>> albeit a late start and finish, and sleepy eyes by the time we were done. To
>> assemble a large portion of US UCI event organizers in the same room for the
>> first time was a major, historic accomplishment. I'd like to thank all of
>> you who attended.
>>
>> I didn't keep meeting minutes, but I'll try to review the main points that
>> were hit upon, and directions that were chosen.
>>
>> Present were race organizers from CA, WA, OR, NC, UT, MA, ME, and MI, as
>> well as "interested party" Geoff Proctor, and USAC National Events
>> Coordinator Matt Murphy. (Matt's new assistant was present as well, and I
>> apologize for forgetting his name.)
>>
>> Major Points:
>>
>> 1. Matt handed out the UCI calendar application for 2004. The original
>> deadline was Dec. 15, but that has been extended to Jan. 5. To receive a
>> copy of the application from Matt by fax, please e-mail him your fax number
>> and contact info at <mmurphy@...>. Matt is also on the USAICO
>> e-mail list.
>>
>> 2. USAC permit fees must be paid according to your full prize list in 2004.
>> Previous "arrangements" some promoters had in the past, carrying over from
>> Tara Morris, are no longer valid. This permit fee is different from your
>> calendar fee you pay to the UCI.
>>
>> Schedule Issues/Philosophy:
>>
>> 3. It was put forth that the SuperCup raised the level of 'cross in the US,
>> and broke down many of the regional, even tribal barriers that created much
>> of the negative rivalries that existed in the '80's and '90's. It was agreed
>> that with the new generation of riders and promoters, healthy rivalries are
>> fun, but we're committed to working together and learning from each other
>> for the benefit of US 'cross as a whole. Destructive scene rivalry is dead.
>>
>> 4. Without the SuperCup, the "middle" of the sport has been filled in and
>> strengthened by the growth of a Cyclo-Cross National Racing Calendar,
>> consisting of all the US UCI races. However, we still need to be moving
>> towards a reintroduction of a "US Pro Cyclo-Cross Tour," consisting of a
>> weekend of the biggest races in each strong 'cross region, currently the
>> Northwest, NorCal, New England, and the Mid-Atlantic. Ideally, this would
>> happen in 2005. Even after that, the 'cross NRC will still have value, as
>> UCI points will continue to be a factor in worlds selection criteria, as
>> Matt pointed out. However, a pro 'cross tour will guarantee the best riders
>> from every region attending at least 6-8 races before nationals.
>>
>> 5. It was agreed that the development of the NRC had to take a bi-coastal
>> approach, with the middle races (currently, Michigan, Salt Lake, and Reno)
>> trying to fit in amongst that schedule where it makes the most sense. That
>> means the east coast and west coast first working together to make sure that
>> for riders within the respective region, there are no (or minimal) conflicts
>> within driving distances, and that there are races every weekend. From
>> there, each coast will come together (primarily Jim Brown representing the
>> West, and myself representing the East), and try to mitigate major conflicts
>> if possible.
>>
>> With the incredibly early deadline from the UCI this year, however, this
>> will be nearly impossible. The current situation is essentially that the
>> east has already finalized it's schedule, leaving room for established big
>> west coast weekends (namely Seattle/Portland and Nationals), and hoping the
>> Western promoters can work around that schedule to everyone's benefit.
>>
>> 6. It was suggested that regions with warmer weather begin to look to
>> organizing UCI events after nationals, in January. Generally, the season was
>> considered to begin the weekend after Labor Day and go until the weekend
>> before Christmas. Further expansion is desired at least until the second
>> weekend of January (the traditional national championships date), and in
>> further years, until the last weekend of January (the weekend before the
>> world championships).
>>
>> 7. A January nationals was generally agreed as desirable, with many caveats.
>> No one was in a hurry to see it happen, yet the consensus seemed to be that
>> we would get there sooner or later, and was a necessary carrot for extending
>> the season in most regions. For it to happen, a promoter needs to put in a
>> bid willing to go on that date, the "mood" of the 'cross community would be
>> evaluated, and a decision made. The pros and cons were many, we've all heard
>> them before, and are too long to list here.
>>
>> 8. It was agreed that all the US UCI organizers would loosely join together
>> under the banner of the US Association of International Cyclo-Cross
>> Organizers, modeled after the AIOC-Cross in Europe. The USAICO e-mail list
>> would become the primary means of communication between UCI organizers, and
>> between Matt Murphy and us. From this e-mail on, all correspondence will be
>> done there. UCI race organizers receiving this e-mail who have not joined
>> the list should do so here: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAICO/>. This
>> group will be limited to one person per event, an organizer or president of
>> a series of events, and Matt Murphy. We would be happy to have a
>> representative from the UCI and/or the AIOC-Cross on the list as well.
>>
>> 9. It was suggested that all UCI promoters should generally try to attend
>> each other's events, but specifically the US Nationals Championships and the
>> UCI World Championships, as our two "conventions." We agreed on a yearly
>> meeting at nationals, and all were encouraged to attend the AIOC-Cross
>> meeting at Worlds this year, to become part of the international 'cross
>> community.
>>
>> 10. The East Coast 'Cross schedule was presented:
>>
>> Date Race Name Location Category
>> Oct. 16 Downeast Cyclo-Cross New Gloucester, ME 3
>> Oct. 23 Granogue, DE 2
>> Oct. 24 Wissahickon, PA 3
>> Oct. 30 Central Mass Cyclo-Cross to End Homelessness Worcester, MA 2
>> Oct. 31 ECV/Clif Bar Cyclo-Cross Gloucester, MA 2
>> Nov. 6 Saturn Classic Harrisburg, PA 2
>> Nov. 7 Harrisburg, PA 3
>> Nov. 13 Chainbiter 6.0 Farmington, CT 2/3?
>> Nov. 14 14th Cycle-Smart International Northampton, MA 2
>> Nov. 20 Beacon Bridgeton, NJ 3
>> Nov. 21 Highland Park, NJ 2
>> Nov. 27 Gearworks Cyclo-Cross Sterling, MA 3
>> Dec. 4 Reston, VA 3
>> Dec. 4 WE Stedman Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross S. Kingston, RI 3
>> Dec. 5 NEBC Cyclo-Cross Merrimack, NH 3
>>
>> Other known dates were Jonny Sundt's race on the last weekend of September,
>> Michigan on the first weekend of October, and Portland/Seattle on the second
>> weekend of October. The 2004 trade show in Vegas is on October 6-8,
>> Wednesday-Friday.
>>
>> With that, the meeting was generally concluded, with a commitment to keeping
>> the lines of communication open and continuing to work together.
>>
>> I believe that every US UCI organizer is represented here, with the
>> exception of the Reno promoter, whose e-mail has bounced in the past. If
>> anyone knows this person and can contact him or forward this e-mail to him
>> at a better address, please do so, and CC me on it.
>>
>> Thank you, everyone.
>>
>> Adam
>> 
>>

As for the Beacon Cross date, I would keep it on the same date
for now. I emailed the HP guys to see what they had in mind. Beacon &
HP on the same weekend seems to work well for everyone. Having the
Beacon race on a Saturday is really nice for me.
  I have not heard from the USGP guy's. Early in the season the game
plan was to keep the 04 USGP races for the 05 season. Nothing was
writen down stating that, it was just said. I know they want the USGP
to grow from 6 races to 8-10 over a few season. Adding a weekend to
the west coast and a weekend in the central part of the US.
   I will not be at Nationals. Being that I work in retail & this is
the Holiday shopping season. It is VERY VERY difficult for me to take
a day off in Dec.
   Later,
Wade








          --- In USAICO@yahoogroups.com, Adam Hodges Myerson
<adam@c...> wrote:
> Thanks, Kelly.
>
> Regarding the GP, I can only tell you how the process went last
year for
> choosing the dates. I don't expect to be involved in any way next
year.
>
> Basically, Bruce Fina, Brad Ross, Stu Thorne, Matt Murphy and
myself sat
> down at worlds, looked at the calendar, and tried to pick 3 double
weekends
> that represented the best spacing on the calendar, and provided 2
plane
> trips in either direction, including nationals. (2 west coast, 2
east
> coast). It wasn't necessarily an attempt to pick the absolute best
races, or
> all the cat. 1 races. (Northampton wasn't included, for instance, or
> Granogue, and there were no races in CA.) Logistics were as
important as
> anything else.
>
> This year, my understanding is that they'd like to make sure
there's also a
> double California weekend, and the races that were in the GP this
year
> aren't automatically GP races next year.
>
> Really, the question is best suited for Bruce Fina, who is not on
this list.
> I'm simply making educated guesses.
>
> Adam
>
>
> on 12/2/04 9:56 PM, kjc at kc2738@y... wrote:
>
> >
> > Will the USGP be back in '05...?  If so, anyone know
> > how that schedule is determined...?
> >
> > Granogue/Wissahickon tentative dates; 10-22 & 10-23.
> >
> > --- Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@c...> wrote:
> >
> >> Organizers,
> >>
> >> I want to try to put together a tentative schedule
> >> before our meeting next
> >> week.
> >>
> >> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just
> >> staying on the same date,
> >> please let me know. Some of you have already
> >> contacted me, so thanks for
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup
> >> rumors, yes, it's me putting
> >> in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
> >>
> >> Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and
> >> he's looking forward to
> >> meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon
> >> as it's finalized.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >> --
> >> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
> >> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
> >> President, Solutions for Cycling
> >> PO Box 1482
> >> Northampton, MA 01061
> >> 617.776.1833 Office
> >> 413.204.3202 Mobile
> >> 512.681.7043 Fax
> >> adam@c...
> >> http://cycle-smart.com
> >> http://necyclocross.com
> >> http://eastcoastcross.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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As in our previous conversations, Hampton Velo is
pleased to put on a weekend double in 2005, on the
same date we utilized last year.  Looks like c2 on
Saturday October 1st, and c1 on Sunday October 2nd,
2005.  Thanks!

Myles Romanow

www.hamptonvelo.com






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Hi all,

I'm meeting with our sponsor on Monday. I should then have a better idea of what
Gloucester is doing in '05.

We are looking into the double race weekend option again.

See you either this weekend in Rhode Island or in Portland next weekend!

-paul

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    As for the Beacon Cross date, I would keep it on the same date
for now. I emailed the HP guys to see what they had in mind. Beacon &
HP on the same weekend seems to work well for everyone. Having the
Beacon race on a Saturday is really nice for me.
I have not heard from the USGP guy's. Early in the season the game
plan was to keep the 04 USGP races for the 05 season. Nothing was
writen down stating that, it was just said. I know they want the USGP
to grow from 6 races to 8-10 over a few season. Adding a weekend to
the west coast and a weekend in the central part of the US.
  I will not be at Nationals. Being that I work in retail & this is
the Holiday shopping season. It is VERY VERY difficult for me to take
a day off in Dec.
  Later,
Wade                                                                 
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
         --- In USAICO@yahoogroups.com, Adam Hodges Myerson
<adam@c...> wrote:
> Thanks, Kelly.
>
> Regarding the GP, I can only tell you how the process went last
year for
> choosing the dates. I don't expect to be involved in any way next
year.
>
> Basically, Bruce Fina, Brad Ross, Stu Thorne, Matt Murphy and
myself sat
> down at worlds, looked at the calendar, and tried to pick 3 double
weekends
> that represented the best spacing on the calendar, and provided 2
plane
> trips in either direction, including nationals. (2 west coast, 2
east
> coast). It wasn't necessarily an attempt to pick the absolute best
races, or
> all the cat. 1 races. (Northampton wasn't included, for instance, or
> Granogue, and there were no races in CA.) Logistics were as
important as
> anything else.
>
> This year, my understanding is that they'd like to make sure
there's also a
> double California weekend, and the races that were in the GP this
year
> aren't automatically GP races next year.
>
> Really, the question is best suited for Bruce Fina, who is not on
this list.
> I'm simply making educated guesses.
>
> Adam
>
>
> on 12/2/04 9:56 PM, kjc at kc2738@y... wrote:
>
> >
> > Will the USGP be back in '05...?  If so, anyone know
> > how that schedule is determined...?
> >
> > Granogue/Wissahickon tentative dates; 10-22 & 10-23.
> >
> > --- Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@c...> wrote:
> >
> >> Organizers,
> >>
> >> I want to try to put together a tentative schedule
> >> before our meeting next
> >> week.
> >>
> >> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just
> >> staying on the same date,
> >> please let me know. Some of you have already
> >> contacted me, so thanks for
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup
> >> rumors, yes, it's me putting
> >> in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
> >>
> >> Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and
> >> he's looking forward to
> >> meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon
> >> as it's finalized.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >> --
> >> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
> >> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
> >> President, Solutions for Cycling
> >> PO Box 1482
> >> Northampton, MA 01061
> >> 617.776.1833 Office
> >> 413.204.3202 Mobile
> >> 512.681.7043 Fax
> >> adam@c...
> >> http://cycle-smart.com
> >> http://necyclocross.com
> >> http://eastcoastcross.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >

Adam

I'm waiting for some more info but for now Granogue will be the weekend
before Gloucester.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hodges Myerson [mailto:adam@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:52 PM
To: USAICO
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Nationals promoters' meeting


Chip, YOUR DATE!

Are you going to stay on the same date?


on 12/2/04 11:31 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:

> trust me, i'm bummed i can't make it out this year.   family, work...the
> usual commitments must prevail, but i'll be there in spirit.
>
>
> chip
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>
>> Naturally. But I'll still find a way to mock those not in attendance as
>> punishment.
>>
>> Attached are the minutes from last year's meeting, to refresh people
>> of what
>> the issues were a year ago, and provide and example of what you can
>> expect.
>>
>> Date, Chip, date. Are you planning to stay on your date next year?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> on 12/2/04 9:53 PM, sovek at sovek@... wrote:
>>
>>> adam,
>>>
>>> for those that will not be able to make it, i'm sure you will provide a
>>> well documented report to keep us in the loop.
>>>
>>> chip
>>> Cap Cross Classic
>>> VA
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Adam Hodges Myerson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fellow organizers,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to get us all together again for what I'm hoping will now
>> be an
>>>> annual US Association of International Cyclo-Cross Organizers meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to announce the Peter Van Den Abeele from the UCI has
>> agreed to
>>>> attend our meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in hearing topics from all of you that should be on the
>>>> agenda. What questions do you have? What feedback do you want to offer?
>>>>
>>>> I expect we'll discuss next year's schedule as well, so please come
>>>> prepared
>>>> with your preferred dates.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to submit Saturday, 7-8 pm, at the race hotel, unless there
>>>> are any
>>>> objections or suggestions otherwise. I'll work on getting space for us.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to seeing all of you there.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>> --
>>>> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>>>> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>>>> President, Solutions for Cycling
>>>> PO Box 1482
>>>> Northampton, MA 01061
>>>> 617.776.1833 Office
>>>> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>>>> 512.681.7043 Fax
>>>> adam@...
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>>>> http://necyclocross.com
>>>> http://eastcoastcross.com
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>> Subject:
>> [USAICO] USAICO Meeting overview
>> From:
>> Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@...>
>> Date:
>> Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:57:22 -0500
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>> To:
>> USAICO <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
>> CC:
>> <dcowley@...>, Pat Flanagan <pflanagan@...>,
>> Richard Fries <rfries@...>, Bryan Jew <BJew@...>, Greg
>> Black <greg@...>, Michael Magur <mike@...>,
>> Andrew Albright <monkeyhillcs@...>, "Burgess, Brian
>> [Planning]" <BurgessB@...>, C Thomas McDaniel
>> <ctmcdaniel@...>, Craig Callan <CMCallan@...>, Mike Hebe
>> <mhebe@...>, <kc2738@...>, <kuhndog1@...>,
>> <slitvin@...>, <sovek@...>, Jonathan Sundt
>> <debehop@...>, Brian Furness
>> <brianfurness@...>, "Bisceglia, Gerard"
>> <gbisceglia@...>, Erwin Vervecken
>> <erwin.vervecken@...>, Régis Alexandre <cyclo-cross@...>,
>> NECCS Promoters <neccs_promoters@yahoogroups.com>
>>
>>
>> Overview of the inaugural meeting of the US Association of International
>> Cyclo-Cross Organizers
>>
>> All,
>>
>> We had what I would consider to be a very successful meeting at
nationals,
>> albeit a late start and finish, and sleepy eyes by the time we were done.
To
>> assemble a large portion of US UCI event organizers in the same room for
the
>> first time was a major, historic accomplishment. I'd like to thank all of
>> you who attended.
>>
>> I didn't keep meeting minutes, but I'll try to review the main points
that
>> were hit upon, and directions that were chosen.
>>
>> Present were race organizers from CA, WA, OR, NC, UT, MA, ME, and MI, as
>> well as "interested party" Geoff Proctor, and USAC National Events
>> Coordinator Matt Murphy. (Matt's new assistant was present as well, and I
>> apologize for forgetting his name.)
>>
>> Major Points:
>>
>> 1. Matt handed out the UCI calendar application for 2004. The original
>> deadline was Dec. 15, but that has been extended to Jan. 5. To receive a
>> copy of the application from Matt by fax, please e-mail him your fax
number
>> and contact info at <mmurphy@...>. Matt is also on the USAICO
>> e-mail list.
>>
>> 2. USAC permit fees must be paid according to your full prize list in
2004.
>> Previous "arrangements" some promoters had in the past, carrying over
from
>> Tara Morris, are no longer valid. This permit fee is different from your
>> calendar fee you pay to the UCI.
>>
>> Schedule Issues/Philosophy:
>>
>> 3. It was put forth that the SuperCup raised the level of 'cross in the
US,
>> and broke down many of the regional, even tribal barriers that created
much
>> of the negative rivalries that existed in the '80's and '90's. It was
agreed
>> that with the new generation of riders and promoters, healthy rivalries
are
>> fun, but we're committed to working together and learning from each other
>> for the benefit of US 'cross as a whole. Destructive scene rivalry is
dead.
>>
>> 4. Without the SuperCup, the "middle" of the sport has been filled in and
>> strengthened by the growth of a Cyclo-Cross National Racing Calendar,
>> consisting of all the US UCI races. However, we still need to be moving
>> towards a reintroduction of a "US Pro Cyclo-Cross Tour," consisting of a
>> weekend of the biggest races in each strong 'cross region, currently the
>> Northwest, NorCal, New England, and the Mid-Atlantic. Ideally, this would
>> happen in 2005. Even after that, the 'cross NRC will still have value, as
>> UCI points will continue to be a factor in worlds selection criteria, as
>> Matt pointed out. However, a pro 'cross tour will guarantee the best
riders
>> from every region attending at least 6-8 races before nationals.
>>
>> 5. It was agreed that the development of the NRC had to take a bi-coastal
>> approach, with the middle races (currently, Michigan, Salt Lake, and
Reno)
>> trying to fit in amongst that schedule where it makes the most sense.
That
>> means the east coast and west coast first working together to make sure
that
>> for riders within the respective region, there are no (or minimal)
conflicts
>> within driving distances, and that there are races every weekend. From
>> there, each coast will come together (primarily Jim Brown representing
the
>> West, and myself representing the East), and try to mitigate major
conflicts
>> if possible.
>>
>> With the incredibly early deadline from the UCI this year, however, this
>> will be nearly impossible. The current situation is essentially that the
>> east has already finalized it's schedule, leaving room for established
big
>> west coast weekends (namely Seattle/Portland and Nationals), and hoping
the
>> Western promoters can work around that schedule to everyone's benefit.
>>
>> 6. It was suggested that regions with warmer weather begin to look to
>> organizing UCI events after nationals, in January. Generally, the season
was
>> considered to begin the weekend after Labor Day and go until the weekend
>> before Christmas. Further expansion is desired at least until the second
>> weekend of January (the traditional national championships date), and in
>> further years, until the last weekend of January (the weekend before the
>> world championships).
>>
>> 7. A January nationals was generally agreed as desirable, with many
caveats.
>> No one was in a hurry to see it happen, yet the consensus seemed to be
that
>> we would get there sooner or later, and was a necessary carrot for
extending
>> the season in most regions. For it to happen, a promoter needs to put in
a
>> bid willing to go on that date, the "mood" of the 'cross community would
be
>> evaluated, and a decision made. The pros and cons were many, we've all
heard
>> them before, and are too long to list here.
>>
>> 8. It was agreed that all the US UCI organizers would loosely join
together
>> under the banner of the US Association of International Cyclo-Cross
>> Organizers, modeled after the AIOC-Cross in Europe. The USAICO e-mail
list
>> would become the primary means of communication between UCI organizers,
and
>> between Matt Murphy and us. From this e-mail on, all correspondence will
be
>> done there. UCI race organizers receiving this e-mail who have not joined
>> the list should do so here: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAICO/>. This
>> group will be limited to one person per event, an organizer or president
of
>> a series of events, and Matt Murphy. We would be happy to have a
>> representative from the UCI and/or the AIOC-Cross on the list as well.
>>
>> 9. It was suggested that all UCI promoters should generally try to attend
>> each other's events, but specifically the US Nationals Championships and
the
>> UCI World Championships, as our two "conventions." We agreed on a yearly
>> meeting at nationals, and all were encouraged to attend the AIOC-Cross
>> meeting at Worlds this year, to become part of the international 'cross
>> community.
>>
>> 10. The East Coast 'Cross schedule was presented:
>>
>> Date Race Name Location Category
>> Oct. 16 Downeast Cyclo-Cross New Gloucester, ME 3
>> Oct. 23 Granogue, DE 2
>> Oct. 24 Wissahickon, PA 3
>> Oct. 30 Central Mass Cyclo-Cross to End Homelessness Worcester, MA 2
>> Oct. 31 ECV/Clif Bar Cyclo-Cross Gloucester, MA 2
>> Nov. 6 Saturn Classic Harrisburg, PA 2
>> Nov. 7 Harrisburg, PA 3
>> Nov. 13 Chainbiter 6.0 Farmington, CT 2/3?
>> Nov. 14 14th Cycle-Smart International Northampton, MA 2
>> Nov. 20 Beacon Bridgeton, NJ 3
>> Nov. 21 Highland Park, NJ 2
>> Nov. 27 Gearworks Cyclo-Cross Sterling, MA 3
>> Dec. 4 Reston, VA 3
>> Dec. 4 WE Stedman Grand Prix of Cyclo-Cross S. Kingston, RI 3
>> Dec. 5 NEBC Cyclo-Cross Merrimack, NH 3
>>
>> Other known dates were Jonny Sundt's race on the last weekend of
September,
>> Michigan on the first weekend of October, and Portland/Seattle on the
second
>> weekend of October. The 2004 trade show in Vegas is on October 6-8,
>> Wednesday-Friday.
>>
>> With that, the meeting was generally concluded, with a commitment to
keeping
>> the lines of communication open and continuing to work together.
>>
>> I believe that every US UCI organizer is represented here, with the
>> exception of the Reno promoter, whose e-mail has bounced in the past. If
>> anyone knows this person and can contact him or forward this e-mail to
him
>> at a better address, please do so, and CC me on it.
>>
>> Thank you, everyone.
>>
>> Adam
>> 
>>






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More media exposure?




-----Original Message-----
From: sovek <sovek@...>
Sent: Dec 3, 2004 9:08 AM
To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Re: 2005/6 schedule

how does one get involved with the USGP?  its been suggested to try and
pull it down to the DC area, and i'm just curious?

chip
EMI-PVC

-------------------------------------

strassecyclist wrote:

>
>     As for the Beacon Cross date, I would keep it on the same date
> for now. I emailed the HP guys to see what they had in mind. Beacon &
> HP on the same weekend seems to work well for everyone. Having the
> Beacon race on a Saturday is really nice for me.
> I have not heard from the USGP guy's. Early in the season the game
> plan was to keep the 04 USGP races for the 05 season. Nothing was
> writen down stating that, it was just said. I know they want the USGP
> to grow from 6 races to 8-10 over a few season. Adding a weekend to
> the west coast and a weekend in the central part of the US.
>   I will not be at Nationals. Being that I work in retail & this is
> the Holiday shopping season. It is VERY VERY difficult for me to take
> a day off in Dec.
>   Later,
> Wade
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>          --- In USAICO@yahoogroups.com, Adam Hodges Myerson
> <adam@c...> wrote:
> > Thanks, Kelly.
> >
> > Regarding the GP, I can only tell you how the process went last
> year for
> > choosing the dates. I don't expect to be involved in any way next
> year.
> >
> > Basically, Bruce Fina, Brad Ross, Stu Thorne, Matt Murphy and
> myself sat
> > down at worlds, looked at the calendar, and tried to pick 3 double
> weekends
> > that represented the best spacing on the calendar, and provided 2
> plane
> > trips in either direction, including nationals. (2 west coast, 2
> east
> > coast). It wasn't necessarily an attempt to pick the absolute best
> races, or
> > all the cat. 1 races. (Northampton wasn't included, for instance, or
> > Granogue, and there were no races in CA.) Logistics were as
> important as
> > anything else.
> >
> > This year, my understanding is that they'd like to make sure
> there's also a
> > double California weekend, and the races that were in the GP this
> year
> > aren't automatically GP races next year.
> >
> > Really, the question is best suited for Bruce Fina, who is not on
> this list.
> > I'm simply making educated guesses.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > on 12/2/04 9:56 PM, kjc at kc2738@y... wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Will the USGP be back in '05...?  If so, anyone know
> > > how that schedule is determined...?
> > >
> > > Granogue/Wissahickon tentative dates; 10-22 & 10-23.
> > >
> > > --- Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@c...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Organizers,
> > >>
> > >> I want to try to put together a tentative schedule
> > >> before our meeting next
> > >> week.
> > >>
> > >> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just
> > >> staying on the same date,
> > >> please let me know. Some of you have already
> > >> contacted me, so thanks for
> > >> that.
> > >>
> > >> Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup
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Good question.
More Elite riders is the obvious benefit. Media is a function of how hard &
smart the promoter works themselves. Maybe, a little more
National/VeloNewsish type of press. This however does little good
obtaining/keeping non-industry sponsors, vs local print, radio & TV
advertsising and publicity.
If USGP hooked up with OLN, then it is game on.
USGP selection could be interesting in '05.
Hebe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Albright" <monkeyhillcs@...>
To: <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [USAICO] Re: 2005/6 schedule


>
> What do the promoters get out of the USGP association?  Cash? Increased
> riders? More media exposure?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sovek <sovek@...>
> Sent: Dec 3, 2004 9:08 AM
> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [USAICO] Re: 2005/6 schedule
>
> how does one get involved with the USGP?  its been suggested to try and
> pull it down to the DC area, and i'm just curious?
>
> chip
> EMI-PVC
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> strassecyclist wrote:
>
>>
>>     As for the Beacon Cross date, I would keep it on the same date
>> for now. I emailed the HP guys to see what they had in mind. Beacon &
>> HP on the same weekend seems to work well for everyone. Having the
>> Beacon race on a Saturday is really nice for me.
>> I have not heard from the USGP guy's. Early in the season the game
>> plan was to keep the 04 USGP races for the 05 season. Nothing was
>> writen down stating that, it was just said. I know they want the USGP
>> to grow from 6 races to 8-10 over a few season. Adding a weekend to
>> the west coast and a weekend in the central part of the US.
>>   I will not be at Nationals. Being that I work in retail & this is
>> the Holiday shopping season. It is VERY VERY difficult for me to take
>> a day off in Dec.
>>   Later,
>> Wade
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>          --- In USAICO@yahoogroups.com, Adam Hodges Myerson
>> <adam@c...> wrote:
>> > Thanks, Kelly.
>> >
>> > Regarding the GP, I can only tell you how the process went last
>> year for
>> > choosing the dates. I don't expect to be involved in any way next
>> year.
>> >
>> > Basically, Bruce Fina, Brad Ross, Stu Thorne, Matt Murphy and
>> myself sat
>> > down at worlds, looked at the calendar, and tried to pick 3 double
>> weekends
>> > that represented the best spacing on the calendar, and provided 2
>> plane
>> > trips in either direction, including nationals. (2 west coast, 2
>> east
>> > coast). It wasn't necessarily an attempt to pick the absolute best
>> races, or
>> > all the cat. 1 races. (Northampton wasn't included, for instance, or
>> > Granogue, and there were no races in CA.) Logistics were as
>> important as
>> > anything else.
>> >
>> > This year, my understanding is that they'd like to make sure
>> there's also a
>> > double California weekend, and the races that were in the GP this
>> year
>> > aren't automatically GP races next year.
>> >
>> > Really, the question is best suited for Bruce Fina, who is not on
>> this list.
>> > I'm simply making educated guesses.
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> >
>> > on 12/2/04 9:56 PM, kjc at kc2738@y... wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Will the USGP be back in '05...?  If so, anyone know
>> > > how that schedule is determined...?
>> > >
>> > > Granogue/Wissahickon tentative dates; 10-22 & 10-23.
>> > >
>> > > --- Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@c...> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Organizers,
>> > >>
>> > >> I want to try to put together a tentative schedule
>> > >> before our meeting next
>> > >> week.
>> > >>
>> > >> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just
>> > >> staying on the same date,
>> > >> please let me know. Some of you have already
>> > >> contacted me, so thanks for
>> > >> that.
>> > >>
>> > >> Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup
>> > >> rumors, yes, it's me putting
>> > >> in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and
>> > >> he's looking forward to
>> > >> meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon
>> > >> as it's finalized.
>> > >>
>> > >> Adam
>> > >> --
>> > >> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
>> > >> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
>> > >> President, Solutions for Cycling
>> > >> PO Box 1482
>> > >> Northampton, MA 01061
>> > >> 617.776.1833 Office
>> > >> 413.204.3202 Mobile
>> > >> 512.681.7043 Fax
>> > >> adam@c...
>> > >> http://cycle-smart.com
>> > >> http://necyclocross.com
>> > >> http://eastcoastcross.com
>> > >>
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For the Beacon race, we had more racers than ever
before. Made more money even with a much greater
payout. I also work at Beacon Cycling stores so the
VeloNews coverage has helped me with sales at Beacon.
Also had Bridgeton News & The Press of Atlantic City
run 2 stories(Sat & Sun edition) about the event. That
helped out with sales more than VeloNews did.
  So as team Pres and working sales at Beacon, it was a
win-win. The team made enough money from race entries
to be a UCI in 2005. And I had customers come to
Beacon due to the press coverage.
   Wade
--- Mike Hebe <mhebe@...> wrote:

> Good question.
> More Elite riders is the obvious benefit. Media is a
> function of how hard &
> smart the promoter works themselves. Maybe, a little
> more
> National/VeloNewsish type of press. This however
> does little good
> obtaining/keeping non-industry sponsors, vs local
> print, radio & TV
> advertsising and publicity.
> If USGP hooked up with OLN, then it is game on.
> USGP selection could be interesting in '05.
> Hebe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Albright" <monkeyhillcs@...>
> To: <USAICO@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [USAICO] Re: 2005/6 schedule
>
>
> >
> > What do the promoters get out of the USGP
> association?  Cash? Increased
> > riders? More media exposure?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sovek <sovek@...>
> > Sent: Dec 3, 2004 9:08 AM
> > To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [USAICO] Re: 2005/6 schedule
> >
> > how does one get involved with the USGP?  its been
> suggested to try and
> > pull it down to the DC area, and i'm just curious?
> >
> > chip
> > EMI-PVC
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > strassecyclist wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>     As for the Beacon Cross date, I would keep it
> on the same date
> >> for now. I emailed the HP guys to see what they
> had in mind. Beacon &
> >> HP on the same weekend seems to work well for
> everyone. Having the
> >> Beacon race on a Saturday is really nice for me.
> >> I have not heard from the USGP guy's. Early in
> the season the game
> >> plan was to keep the 04 USGP races for the 05
> season. Nothing was
> >> writen down stating that, it was just said. I
> know they want the USGP
> >> to grow from 6 races to 8-10 over a few season.
> Adding a weekend to
> >> the west coast and a weekend in the central part
> of the US.
> >>   I will not be at Nationals. Being that I work
> in retail & this is
> >> the Holiday shopping season. It is VERY VERY
> difficult for me to take
> >> a day off in Dec.
> >>   Later,
> >> Wade
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>          --- In USAICO@yahoogroups.com, Adam
> Hodges Myerson
> >> <adam@c...> wrote:
> >> > Thanks, Kelly.
> >> >
> >> > Regarding the GP, I can only tell you how the
> process went last
> >> year for
> >> > choosing the dates. I don't expect to be
> involved in any way next
> >> year.
> >> >
> >> > Basically, Bruce Fina, Brad Ross, Stu Thorne,
> Matt Murphy and
> >> myself sat
> >> > down at worlds, looked at the calendar, and
> tried to pick 3 double
> >> weekends
> >> > that represented the best spacing on the
> calendar, and provided 2
> >> plane
> >> > trips in either direction, including nationals.
> (2 west coast, 2
> >> east
> >> > coast). It wasn't necessarily an attempt to
> pick the absolute best
> >> races, or
> >> > all the cat. 1 races. (Northampton wasn't
> included, for instance, or
> >> > Granogue, and there were no races in CA.)
> Logistics were as
> >> important as
> >> > anything else.
> >> >
> >> > This year, my understanding is that they'd like
> to make sure
> >> there's also a
> >> > double California weekend, and the races that
> were in the GP this
> >> year
> >> > aren't automatically GP races next year.
> >> >
> >> > Really, the question is best suited for Bruce
> Fina, who is not on
> >> this list.
> >> > I'm simply making educated guesses.
> >> >
> >> > Adam
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > on 12/2/04 9:56 PM, kjc at kc2738@y... wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Will the USGP be back in '05...?  If so,
> anyone know
> >> > > how that schedule is determined...?
> >> > >
> >> > > Granogue/Wissahickon tentative dates; 10-22 &
> 10-23.
> >> > >
> >> > > --- Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@c...> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Organizers,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I want to try to put together a tentative
> schedule
> >> > >> before our meeting next
> >> > >> week.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're
> just
> >> > >> staying on the same date,
> >> > >> please let me know. Some of you have already
> >> > >> contacted me, so thanks for
> >> > >> that.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Also, if you're wondering about the World
> Cup
> >> > >> rumors, yes, it's me putting
> >> > >> in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele
> today, and
> >> > >> he's looking forward to
> >> > >> meeting with us. I'll announce the location
> as soon
> >> > >> as it's finalized.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Adam
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
> >> > >> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
> >> > >> President, Solutions for Cycling
> >> > >> PO Box 1482
> >> > >> Northampton, MA 01061
> >> > >> 617.776.1833 Office
> >> > >> 413.204.3202 Mobile
> >> > >> 512.681.7043 Fax
> >> > >> adam@c...
> >> > >> http://cycle-smart.com
> >> > >> http://necyclocross.com
> >> > >> http://eastcoastcross.com
> >> > >>
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In short - No, Yes, Yes

No more money. Actually it cost us additional money - some nominal
fees to USGP (like MAC does) and some 'mandatory' expenses we voted
on (like using Fries to announce). We did get a lot of merchandise
prizes to add to what we had (which was a lot to begin with) but all
the cash payout was 100% Beacon. All the financial risk was Beacon's.

Yes more riders. Beacon typically had some of the lowest attendance
in the MAC, regardless of date, weather, competing races etc. Our
racer #'s were up all over, just like the rest of the MAC, but 55
elite men, 35 elite women and master's and junior fields with real
national flair could be attributed to USGP. With 265 total, we were
3rd highest attendance in the MAC. We were typically damn near or at
the bottom. HP was #1.

Yes more media. This had two parts. The obvious part was VN and
whatnot. The less obvious part is it was easier to sell the story
idea to local and regional media when we could pitch as part of a
regional AND national series. We got a couple of before and after
stories in the local and regional press.

All of the above came at some cost of increased coordination issues
(especially resolving potential or actual conflicts between MAC and
USGP sponsors) and just more bureaucracy - more emails, more people
to deal with, more phone calls, more egos and personalities etc. As
everyone knows from promoting races, there's a lot to do and tons of
details. This added to the to-do's significantly.

All in all, very worth it from my perspective.

--- In USAICO@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Albright <monkeyhillcs@e...>
wrote:
> What do the promoters get out of the USGP association?  Cash?
Increased riders? More media exposure?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sovek <sovek@c...>
> Sent: Dec 3, 2004 9:08 AM
> To: USAICO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [USAICO] Re: 2005/6 schedule
>
> how does one get involved with the USGP?  its been suggested to try
and
> pull it down to the DC area, and i'm just curious?
>
> chip
> EMI-PVC
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> strassecyclist wrote:
>
> >
> >     As for the Beacon Cross date, I would keep it on the same date
> > for now. I emailed the HP guys to see what they had in mind.
Beacon &
> > HP on the same weekend seems to work well for everyone. Having the
> > Beacon race on a Saturday is really nice for me.
> > I have not heard from the USGP guy's. Early in the season the game
> > plan was to keep the 04 USGP races for the 05 season. Nothing was
> > writen down stating that, it was just said. I know they want the
USGP
> > to grow from 6 races to 8-10 over a few season. Adding a weekend
to
> > the west coast and a weekend in the central part of the US.
> >   I will not be at Nationals. Being that I work in retail & this
is
> > the Holiday shopping season. It is VERY VERY difficult for me to
take
> > a day off in Dec.
> >   Later,
> >
Wade
>
>

>
>

>
>

>
>

>
>

>
>

>
>

>
>

> >          --- In USAICO@yahoogroups.com, Adam Hodges Myerson
> > <adam@c...> wrote:
> > > Thanks, Kelly.
> > >
> > > Regarding the GP, I can only tell you how the process went last
> > year for
> > > choosing the dates. I don't expect to be involved in any way
next
> > year.
> > >
> > > Basically, Bruce Fina, Brad Ross, Stu Thorne, Matt Murphy and
> > myself sat
> > > down at worlds, looked at the calendar, and tried to pick 3
double
> > weekends
> > > that represented the best spacing on the calendar, and provided
2
> > plane
> > > trips in either direction, including nationals. (2 west coast, 2
> > east
> > > coast). It wasn't necessarily an attempt to pick the absolute
best
> > races, or
> > > all the cat. 1 races. (Northampton wasn't included, for
instance, or
> > > Granogue, and there were no races in CA.) Logistics were as
> > important as
> > > anything else.
> > >
> > > This year, my understanding is that they'd like to make sure
> > there's also a
> > > double California weekend, and the races that were in the GP
this
> > year
> > > aren't automatically GP races next year.
> > >
> > > Really, the question is best suited for Bruce Fina, who is not
on
> > this list.
> > > I'm simply making educated guesses.
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> > > on 12/2/04 9:56 PM, kjc at kc2738@y... wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Will the USGP be back in '05...?  If so, anyone know
> > > > how that schedule is determined...?
> > > >
> > > > Granogue/Wissahickon tentative dates; 10-22 & 10-23.
> > > >
> > > > --- Adam Hodges Myerson <adam@c...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Organizers,
> > > >>
> > > >> I want to try to put together a tentative schedule
> > > >> before our meeting next
> > > >> week.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you've got a date in mind, or if you're just
> > > >> staying on the same date,
> > > >> please let me know. Some of you have already
> > > >> contacted me, so thanks for
> > > >> that.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, if you're wondering about the World Cup
> > > >> rumors, yes, it's me putting
> > > >> in the bid, but it won't be until 2006/7.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks! I talked to Peter Van den Abeele today, and
> > > >> he's looking forward to
> > > >> meeting with us. I'll announce the location as soon
> > > >> as it's finalized.
> > > >>
> > > >> Adam
> > > >> --
> > > >> Adam F. Hodges Myerson
> > > >> Cycle-Smart, Inc.
> > > >> President, Solutions for Cycling
> > > >> PO Box 1482
> > > >> Northampton, MA 01061
> > > >> 617.776.1833 Office
> > > >> 413.204.3202 Mobile
> > > >> 512.681.7043 Fax
> > > >> adam@c...
> > > >> http://cycle-smart.com
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> > > >> http://eastcoastcross.com
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