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The Bishop of Calgary has used the excuse of H1N1 to shut down FSSP in his
diocese...

http://www.cfnews.org/calgary-fssp.htm

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#484

From: "Scott Windsor, Sr." <smwindsor@...>
Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Ember Days

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Ember Days

http://cathapol.blogspot.com/2009/09/ember-days.html

Ember days (corruption from Lat. Quatuor Tempora, four times) are the days at the beginning of the seasons ordered by the Church as days of fast and abstinence. They were definitely arranged and prescribed for the entire Church by Pope Gregory VII (1073-1085) for the Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday after 13 December (S. Lucia), after Ash Wednesday, after Whitsunday, and after 14 September (Exaltation of the Cross). The purpose of their introduction, besides the general one intended by all prayer and fasting, was to thank God for the gifts of nature, to teach men to make use of them in moderation, and to assist the needy. The immediate occasion was the practice of the heathens of Rome. The Romans were originally given to agriculture, and their native gods belonged to the same class. At the beginning of the time for seeding and harvesting religious ceremonies were performed to implore the help of their deities: in June for a bountiful harvest, in September for a rich vintage, and in December for the seeding; hence their feriae sementivae, feriae messis, and feri vindimiales. The Church, when converting heathen nations, has always tried to sanctify any practices which could be utilized for a good purpose. At first the Church in Rome had fasts in June, September, and December; the exact days were not fixed but were announced by the priests. The "Liber Pontificalis" ascribes to Pope Callistus (217-222) a law ordering: the fast, but probably it is older. Leo the Great (440-461) considers it an Apostolic institution. When the fourth season was added cannot be ascertained, but Gelasius (492-496) speaks of all four. This pope also permitted the conferring of priesthood and deaconship on the Saturdays of ember week--these were formerly given only at Easter. Before Gelasius the ember days were known only in Rome, but after his time their observance spread. They were brought into England by St. Augustine; into Gaul and Germany by the Carlovingians. Spain adopted them with the Roman Liturgy in the eleventh century. They were introduced by St. Charles Borromeo into Milan. The Eastern Church does not know them. The present Roman Missal, in the formulary for the Ember days, retains in part the old practice of lessons from Scripture in addition to the ordinary two: for the Wednesdays three, for the Saturdays six, and seven for the Saturday in December. Some of these lessons contain promises of a bountiful harvest for those that serve God.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05399b.htm

For some good information on the Autumn Ember Days, see the FishEaters page http://www.fisheaters.com/customstimeafterpentecost8.html

The Origin of the Word:

The origin of the word "ember" in "Ember Days" is not obvious, not even to those who know Latin. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "Ember" is a corruption (or we might say, a contraction) of the Latin phrase Quatuor Tempora, which simply means "four times," since the Ember Days are celebrated four times per year.

Optional Today:

With the revision of the liturgical calendar in 1969, the Vatican left the celebration of Ember Days up to the discretion of each national conference of bishops. They're commonly celebrated in Europe, particularly in rural areas.

In the United States, the bishops' conference has decided not to celebrate them, but individual Catholics can and many traditional Catholics still do, because it's a nice way to focus our minds on the changing of the liturgical seasons and the seasons of the year. The Ember Days that fall during Lent and Advent are especially useful to remind children of the reasons for those seasons.

Fasting and Abstinence:

The Ember Days are celebrated with fasting (no food between meals) and half-abstinence, meaning that meat is allowed at one meal per day. (If you observe the traditional Friday abstinence from meat, then you would observe complete abstinence on an Ember Friday.)

As always, such fasting and abstinence has a greater purpose. As the Catholic Encyclopedia notes, through these activities, and through prayer, we use the Ember Days to "thank God for the gifts of nature, . . . teach men to make use of them in moderation, and . . . assist the needy."
http://catholicism.about.com/od/holydaysandholidays/p/Ember_Days.htm

#483

From: "quarefremeruntgentes7" <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:40 pm
Subject: Preliminary Re-Evaluation of Malachi Martin

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Malachi Martin supported the American Jewish Council's efforts to modify
Catholic beliefs and practices during the Second Vatican Council (1960-1964). He
has been denounced and discredited because of his spying for, and accepting
bribes from, the same Jewish organization, c.f.,

How Jews Changed Catholic Thinking
http://www.adlagainstmel.com/how_jews_changed_catholic_thinking.htm

I suspect, from some of Martin's remaks on the Coast to Coast AM radio program,
that he worked on some antecedent proclamations which preceeded the promulgation
of the controversial encyclical Nostrae Aetete. Prior to his dispensation from
the Society of Jesus, Martin may even have assited in preliminary work on
Nostrae Aetete itself.

I recognize the validity of many of the criticisms leveled against Martin. I,
meanwhile, had few differences with conservative supporters of the Zayanst state
until I noticed Martin speak against their subversive agenda and influence on
radio, around 1998 or 99.  Earlier, in 1996 and afterwards, Martin's Scriptural
explanations of the Catholic Papacy in his book The Final Conclave had
influenced my sympathies with Catholicism, although my opinions before then had
been zealously anti-papal, anti-clerical, and iconoclastic. When I heard his
charges against the Zayanusts, his remarks became one of the first significant
challenges to my sympathies with the Syanust state.

I feel I owe my Faith in part to Martin, and would prefer not to seem ungrateful
in commenting on these matters. On his behalf, I would submit that, in spite of
his known faults, inconsistencies, and, possibly, his confused beliefs on some
relevant issues, there certainly are indications that, in his old age, Martin
consistently opposed much of the Zayunust agenda.

Sincerely in Christ,

Jeff Lewin

#482

From: "rogerowen333" <rogerowen333@...>
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:18 pm
Subject: The Divine Intimacy of the Most Holy Trinity and the Splendor of Mary...

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Greetings in the Lord and Our Lady,

I wanted to share with you some thoughts I have on the Divine Intimacy of the
Most Holy Trinity and the Splendor of Mary. It is at:

http://truecatholic.bizland.com/The_Divine_Intimacy.pdf

Let me know what you think...

In +JMJ,
Roger Owen

#481

From: Jerry Okonski <jokonski@...>
Date: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: The Catholic Plan

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVN2MMuiedI

#480

From: "quarefremeruntgentes7" <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:56 am
Subject: Re: Malachi Martin wasn't a 60s liberal, he was far worse.

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In this case, I confused Fr. Wickens' story with another priest friend of Fr.
Martin. Fr. Charles Fiore, his friend, became an FSSP priest, after he left the
Dominican Order.

Sincerely in Christ,

Jeff

--- In TradCath@yahoogroups.com, "Eva L. Sturchio" <sturchio@...> wrote:
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> Father Wickens was a diocesan priest. He did not belong to the FSSP (or the
> SSPX).
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> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:42 pm, <quarefremeruntgentes7@...> wrote:
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> >
> > His best friend, the late Fr. Paul Wickens, FSSP, at least seems to have
> > been a Faithful and a prayerful man of the Church. . .
> >
> >
> >
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#479

From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:44 am
Subject: Re: Malachi Martin wasn't a 60s liberal, he was far worse.

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Hello, Eva, this is Jeff writing.

--- In TradCath@yahoogroups.com, "Eva L. Sturchio" <sturchio@...> wrote:
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> Father Wickens was a diocesan priest. He did not belong to the FSSP (or the
> SSPX).
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I apologize for mistaking Fr. Wickens as an FSSP priest, and welcome the correction.

Sincerely in Christ,

Jeff Lewin

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#478

From: "Eva L. Sturchio" <sturchio@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: Malachi Martin wasn't a 60s liberal, he was far worse.

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Father Wickens was a diocesan priest. He did not belong to the FSSP (or the SSPX).

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:42 pm, <quarefremeruntgentes7@...> wrote:

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His best friend, the late Fr. Paul Wickens, FSSP, at least seems to have been a Faithful and�a prayerful man of the Church. . .
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#477

From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:42 am
Subject: "Malachi Martin wasn't a 60s liberal, he was far worse.," Sept. 20, 1996.

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http://angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12883

When I was checking out various Protestant denominations, Malachi Martin's accounts of his Catholic Faith in Hostage to the Devil and The Final Conclave impressed me enough to take a fresh look at Catholicism.

He certainly became known for his fervent defense of orthodoxy and traditional Catholicism in his later years.

While I will not pretend that this information is easy for my own Faith, during the sixties and seventies, Fr. Martin seems to have lived a scandalous life, assisting the treacherous American Jewish Committee's efforts to manipulate the Catholic Hierarchy, in conformity with its own sectarian objectives. He also promoted many liberal, and even heretical, opinions during this time, which is apparent from books he wrote, and from the reports of others.

I do not presume to judge Fr. Martin's soul. I hope that, at the end, he did conform to the best influences in his life, and attained to peace with God.

His best friend, the late Fr. Paul Wickens, FSSP, at least seems to have been a Faithful and a prayerful man of the Church. . .

Not all of the charges made against Fr. Martin are well established, and some may still prove to have been misinformed. Sadly, however, the harm he did to the church, and his bad habit of stretching the truth, seems to have gone far beyond what I previously had suspected:

The following is excerpted from Milt Rosenberg's Sept. 20, 1996 program with Fr. Martin Chicago's WGN Radio:

"Milt Rosenberg of WGN in Chicago interviews Malachi Martin. Earlier that day, Rosenberg had been reading through Edmund Wilson's memoirs ("The Sixties", 1993, Farrar Straus and Giroux) and became puzzled by what he read. Below is the audio file and the transcript of the exchange that follows:Milt Rosenberg of WGN in Chicago interviews Malachi Martin. Earlier that day, Rosenberg had been reading through Edmund Wilson's memoirs ("The Sixties", 1993, Farrar Straus and Giroux) and became puzzled by what he read. Below is the audio file and the transcript of the exchange that follows. . ."

-c.f., the Angel Queen Forum:

Sincerely in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Redeemer,\

Jeff

#476

From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:09 pm
Subject: Hilary White: French Bishop and Mayor Square off on Gay Pride Events =Lifesite.net

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http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jun/09062402.html

[EXCERPT:] ROME, June 24, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) – An outspoken French bishop has clashed with local civic authorities over their promotion of the heavily anti-religious Gay Pride demonstrations held in his area on June 20, calling them “yet another official offence aimed at the Catholic Church.”

Bishop Marc Aillet of Bayonne issued a press release June 18^th, calling the Gay Pride events in the city of Biarritz in south-western France, “blasphemous” and an act of contempt for the “Catholic Faith and religious life that so strongly characterizes the soul, culture, and traditions of the Basque region.” He singled out the presence of the anti-Catholic group “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence,” whose members dress in bizarre sexualized mock nuns’ habits.

In a letter to Biarritz mayor, translated and published by the weblog Rorate Caeli, Bishop Aillet expressed his “profound incredulity” that the event was being allowed. He called the demonstrations, which he said are “made by groups who are for the most part outsiders in the city of Biarritz,” “disruptive,” and deplored the fact that they expose children and young people to “aggressive displays” of “sexual license.” These, he said “can only have a negative effect on social morality and the common sense of the majority of our citizens. . .”

#475

From: Jerry Okonski <jokonski@...>
Date: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:26 am
Subject: Crusade

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FmRcRsPhE4

#474

From: Jerry Okonski <jokonski@...>
Date: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:12 pm
Subject: Bp Fellay Interview - video - Part 2

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Part One deals with the Bp Williamson situation mostly.

Part Two is very interesting dealing mostly with the doctrinal discussions to come.

http://gloria.tv/?media=27739

Jerry

#473

From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Mon Jun 1, 2009 11:57 pm
Subject: AFTAH: JUST SAY NO TO MR. OBAMA'S 'SAFE SCHOOLS' APPOINTEE, KEVIN JENNINGS

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http://americansfortruth.com/news/aftah-calls-on-obama-and-education-sec-arne-duncan-to-withdraw-nomination-of-bigoted-homosexual-activist-kevin-jennings-glsen-founder-who-presided-over-%e2%80%98fistgate%e2%80%99-scandal.html

AFTAH Calls on Obama and Education Sec. Arne Duncan to Withdraw Nomination of Homosexual Extremist Bigot and GLSEN Founder Kevin Jennings to Preside over ‘Safe Schools’

GLSEN founder who presided over ‘Fistgate’ scandal; Jennings’ group has corrupted and endangered students by exposing them to “queer” perversions

News Release, Americans for Truth About Homosexuality

June 1, 2009; contact: Peter LaBarbera: (630)717-7631

Suburban CHICAGO, Ill. – Americans For Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH) President Peter LaBarbera today urged President Obama and Education Secretary Arne Duncan to withdraw the nomination of longtime homosexual activist Kevin Jennings as Assistant Deputy Secretary for the Department of Education’s Office of Safe & Drug Free Schools, due to Jennings’ vicious anti-religious bigotry and his role with an extremist homosexual group that has recklessly endangered youth.

Jennings, the founder of the Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network (GLSEN), presided over the 2000 Boston “Fistgate” scandal in which homosexual adults – at a GLSEN-sponsored youth workshop on “Queer Sex & Sexuality” — guided young teenagers on how to engage in perversions including the horrifying “gay” fetish known as “fisting,” in which a man inserts his arm up the anal cavity of another man.

(GLSEN and Jennings never issued an apology for “Fistgate,” but instead criticized Scott Whiteman, the parent who secretly taped it, for violating the students’ privacy. Americans For Truth’s LaBarbera had advised Whiteman to tape the workshop to prove to skeptics that GLSEN’s brand of recklessness involving young people actually occurs. Later, a Boston homosexual group sued Whiteman and MassResistance founder Brian Camenker to block the release of the Fistgate tape.)

“Kevin Jennings is one of the most hateful, anti-Christian ‘queer’ activists in America: he even said ‘[F—k] ‘em’ and ‘Drop dead!” to religious conservatives — while speaking at a church, of all places,” LaBarbera said. “Jennings should have been drummed out of public policy years ago for GLSEN’s role in the awful Fistgate scandal that corrupted Boston youth,” LaBarbera said, “but instead the GLSEN founder is now being elevated to one of the most important roles in U.S. education policy.

“Barack Obama’s homosexual agenda is beginning to take shape – but he has no election mandate to impose GLSEN’s radical vision of celebrating homosexuality, bisexuality and gender confusion (transsexuality) in U.S. schools,” LaBarbera said. “Anti-religious bigots should not be setting policy for schools — and promoting dangerous sex and gender identities to youth is the antithesis of ‘safety.’ (Men who have sex with other men (MSM) suffer from much higher rates of sexual diseases – including anal cancer, HIV, syphilis, and gonorrhea — than non-MSMs.)

He added that GLSEN’s ‘Safe Schools’ strategy “is a Trojan Horse designed to advance the normalization of harmful behaviors to impressionable children.”

“Americans For Truth will educate Americans on Jennings’ and GLSEN’s dangerous agenda, and we will work with other pro-family and parental rights groups across the country – and Obama voters who oppose pro-homosexual indoctrination in schools – to urge that the Jennings appointment be withdrawn,” LaBarbera said.

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#472

From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Wed May 27, 2009 9:12 pm
Subject: Ven. John Henry Newman Quote on Protestantism & History:

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http://books.google.com/books?id=RN66gZdNnqoC&pg=PA7&dq=least+the+Christianity+of+history+is+not+Protestantism

"History is not a creed or a catechism, it gives lessons rather than rules; still no one can mistake its general teaching in this matter, whether he accept it or stumble at it. Bold outlines and broad masses of colour rise out of the records of the past. They may be dim, they may be incomplete; but they are definite. And this one thing at least is certain; whatever history teaches, whatever it omits, whatever it exaggerates or extenuates, whatever it says and unsays, at least the Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth, it is this."

-- John Henry Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, 1878, revised edition, Basil Montague Pickering, London, p. 7; c.f. Google Books online version,

#471

From: "Scott Windsor, Sr." <smwindsor@...>
Date: Mon May 18, 2009 2:48 am
Subject: Be Ye DOERS of the Word!

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I have written an article for my blog based on today's Epistle.  Please read and
post your comments!

http://cathapol.blogspot.com/2009/05/doers-of-word.html

In JMJ,
Scott<<<

#470

From: "Scott" <bigscott@...>
Date: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:58 am
Subject: Re: Scott's Birthday!, 3/26/2009, 12:00 am

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--- In TradCath@yahoogroups.com, Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...> wrote:
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> Hello, Mr. Windsor. I hope you had a good birthday.
> Sorry I missed it --Jeff.

Thank you Jeff.  Word got out where I work and I
had balloons on the door of my office and emails
came in from departments all over the hospital
where I work - so it was a good day.

In JMJ,
Scott<<<

#469

From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:46 am
Subject: Re: Scott's Birthday!, 3/26/2009, 12:00 am

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Hello, Mr. Windsor. I hope you had a good birthday. Sorry I missed it --Jeff.

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Subject: Scott's Birthday!, 3/26/2009, 12:00 am

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#467

From: Jerry Okonski <jokonski@...>
Date: Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:51 am
Subject: Great Sermons and Lenten retreat

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http://www.audiosancto.org/

This link is for the sermons given at the FSSP Chapel in Kansas City, Kansas since 2003 �The list is updated every week. �Some of the best sermons you will hear.

The Lenten Retreat given �by Fr. Relyea on the Last Four Things in 2007 is spectacular, a classic. �Click on 2007, then scroll down to March. �There are 5 talks, Prelude, Death, Judgement, On Hell, and On Heaven. �

#466

From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Date: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Malachi Martin] Needing prayers:

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Hello, this is Jeff L. writing again. I apologize for my excessive haste in announcing this matter.

When I posted my earlier message, Radio Liberty host, Dr. Stanley Monteith, had recently e-mailed me, requesting Mr. Bennett's phone #. After I provided Rod's number, I asked the Doctor whether he could get Rod on the show. I must regretfully inform you that, when I last corresponded with him, he was not in favor of having Rod on the show.

For my part, I firmly resolve to practice caution with my keyboard in the future.

Sincerely,

Jeff

--- In cathmain@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@... wrote:
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:41 PM
>
> Arrangements are under way for Catholic author Rod Bennett to be interviewed on an upcoming episode of the nationally syndicated program, Radio Liberty, hosed by physician (ret.) and public health advocate, Dr. Stanley Monteith. Mr. Bennett is knowledgeable scholar of the early church, editor and publisher of Wonder magazine (now only available online), and is the author of Four Witnesses: The Early Church in Her Own Words, and is a popular speaker on Church doctrine, history and apologetics. He certainly could benefit from our prayers, as he will likely be responding to the anti-Catholic insinuations of previous Radio Liberty guest, the former Catholic, Protestant conspiracy theorist, Karry ('Caryl') Matrisciana.
>
> In Jesus Christ our King,
>
> Jeff
>

#465

From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:50 am
Subject: Fw: Re: Remarks by Guest Caryl Matrisciana.

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--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...> wrote:

From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Subject: Re: Remarks by Guest Caryl Matrisciana.
To: [. . . Dr. Stanley Monteith]

Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 1:07 AM

Dear Dr. Monteith,
In the past, you have interviewed guests with differing viewpoints on the subjects I addressed in my correspondence. You have even interviewed William Kennedy, whose opinions I firmly agree with.

I hoped that you might consider interviewing another guest who, in my opinion, has a fairer and more balanced grasp of early Christianity history. If God wills, and if you were willing, I would reccommend Catholic author Rod Bennett. . .

Relevant Links:

Amazon.com: Four Witnesses: The Early Church in Her Own Words: Rod Bennett: Books
http://www.amazon.com/Four-Witnesses-Early-Church-Words/dp/0898708478

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Four Witnesses: The Early Church in Her Own Words
http://www.amazon.com/Four-Witnesses-Early-Church-Words/product-reviews/0898708478/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Rod Bennett interview, "The Dark Ages," The Journey Home, Oct. 21, 2002 [021021DkAgesRBnettJH.mp3]
http://ewtn.edgeboss.net/download/ewtn/audiolibrary/jh_102102.mp3

Rod Bennett interview, "Four Witnesses," Bookmark, Dec. 4, 2003[031204IV-WtnsesRBnettBkMark2187.mp3]
http://ewtn.edgeboss.net/download/ewtn/audiolibrary/bookmark2187.mp3

Rod Bennett interview, "Former Southern Baptist," - The Journey Home, June 6, 2005 [050606xBpdstRBnettJH.mp3]
http://ewtn.edgeboss.net/download/ewtn/audiolibrary/jh_06062005.mp3

Rod Bennett Lecture, The Early Church in Her Own Words, Mar. 18, 2006
http://www.handsonapologetics.com/resources_2.htm [lecture in 4 files]
http://www.apologeticsguidebook.com/audio/Rod_Bennett_Great_Apostasy.mp3 [entire lecture in one file]

I have believed, therefore have I spoken. . .
I said in my excess: Every man is a liar.
What shall I render to the Lord, for all the things that he hath rendered to me?
I will take the chalice of salvation; and I will call upon the name of the Lord.
I will pay my vows to the Lord before all his people:
Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints. . .
--Ps. 115(116):1a,2-6(10a,11-15) RHE

Sincerely in our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ,

Jeffrey Lewin

--- On Tue, 1/20/09, Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...> wrote:
From: Jeff <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
Subject: Remarks by Guest Caryl Matrisciana.
To: radiolib@...
Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 12:24 AM

Dear Dr. Monteith,

On the Dec. 19, 2008 early edition of the program Radio Liberty, I noticed that the guest, Caryl Matrisciana, related what sounded like a highly prejudiced accusation against the "Desert Fathers," the early founders of Christian monasticism. In this broadcast, she accuses these Christian ascetics of propagating the Gnostic heresy, c.f.-

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/121908b.mp3

Years ago, I read about the careers of such Christian ascetics as Paul the Hermit, Onuphorius, Anthony, Athanasius, John Cassian, Athanasius, Pachomius, Mary of Egypt and Catherine of Alexndria. My recollection is that these men and women were renowned for their Christian simplicity, asceticism, self-denial and their prayerful lives. I remember that Anthony, at least, served as a 'revival preacher' under the patriarch Alexander of Alexandria and his famous son and successor, Athanasius. Anthony thereby proved to be a fervent, courageous, instrumental defender of the Divinity of Jesus Christ, during times when the heresiarcy, Arius, and his numerous supporters were working both publicly and in secret to subvert this sacred Dogma of Christianity.

There were also 'Desert Mothers', such as Mary of Egypt and Catherine of Alexandria, Martyr, who founded monastic congregations for women.

I recall that these desert ascetics were also known for establishing numerous scholarly schools that taught, promoted and preserved the Holy Scriptures, and the teachings of the Early Christians. By their laborious, diligent work of copying the scriptures and the writings of Early Christianity, the monks of the deserts were instrumental in preserving these texts for the souls of all future generations. These monks encouraged and inspired others to live as ascetics, and to establish schools, seminaries and scriptoriums where the Scriptures were copied in many other countries, even as far away as Ireland.

I am not categorically opposed to Mrs. Matrisciana's message. I adhere to the principle that truth cannot contradict truth, and therefore would not be categorically opposed the teaching of philosophical, historical, scientific, natural or spiritual truths by those who do not share my own belief in Catholic Christianity.

I recognize that the non-Christian philosophies and spiritual practices infiltrating Christian and Catholic communities are real spiritual dangers which should be opposed. I do not believe that I have approved of any such practices.

I do not rule out the possibility that the desert fathers may have occasionally made careless remarks in their writings, however, the same can be said of most of us, together with most of our pastors. This would neither make us better than these desert fathers, nor would it provide us with any real basis to condemn them as heretics. Meanwhile, I do not believe that any one in this discussion is arguing that the desert fathers are infallible, either. Every relevant fact that I can recall indicates that Mrs. Matrisciana's accusations are calumnies based on shallow, prejudiced, sectarian revisions of history, expressed with an un-Christian presumption, ingratitude and disrespect towards those who labored so diligently to propagate the knowlege of the Holy Scriptures and of early Chrisian Doctrine and history. While I do not feel compelled to invest my time and money investigaginag her claim, I certainly hope that you do not share her opinion on this subject.

I do not absolutely differ with Mrs. Matrisciana's objections to the Catholic Hierarchy's efforts at Ecumenical and interreligious dialogue. I beleive that Catholics need bear in mind the Glory of Jesus Christ and his uniqueness as the one Savior of men. I believe that all members of my Church need to bear in mind the uniqueness, divine origin and infallibility of Christian Revelation, and the authentic teachings of Catholicism as the Divine calling of all peoples.

I do not believe that I possibly could be the first to inform you that many Catholics, especially Traditionalists like myself, disapprove of many of the efforts at ecumenical and interreligious diologue that began under Pope John XXIII. Many Traditionalists, myself included, believe that Vatican Council II made some equivocal statements concerning other Christian sects and non-Christian religions. Regrettably, some similarly equivocal expressions continued in subsequent Church documents addressing these matters. Because Vatican II was defined by Pope John as a pastoral, rather than as a dogmatic, Council, I do not believe that it was proposing these statements as universal and infallible teachings.

"Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity. . ."

--Ps. 132(133):1)

God's Word commends unity among brethren. By professing to be followers of Christ, we oblige ourselves to respect his intention that all who believe in him should be united, recalling that unity among believers is the very sign wherby our Lord desired to convert the world to his teaching (c.f., Jn. 17:21 "That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. . .").

God's Scriptures therefore warn us of his just wrath against those who incite discord between brethren (Prov. 6.19). The New Testament warns more seriously that those who participate in discord, dissensions (some translations: sects), and factions, "will not inherit the kingdom of God" (Gal. 5.20,21).

I noticed that Mrs. Matrisciana also objects to the Eucharistic worship practiced by practically all Christians prior to the sixteenth century. I do not beleive there is anything original about her skepticism in this matter. In fact, such objections have already been ably refuted by the likes of such Catholic scholars as Francis de Sales, John Fisher, Edmund Campion, John Henry Cardinal Newman, Edward Cardinal Gibbons, Ronald Knox, Rev. Chas Mortimer Carty and Leslie Rumble.

Christ founded one, united, Church, which has held a common body of doctrines for twenty centuries. Indeed, even going beyond Catholicism, all other Churches of Apostolic origin, i.e., Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, Indian, Ethiopian (Geez), Syrian, Assyrian, etc., share a common belief in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist, in addition to their common beliefs in the Sacrament of Holy Orders, Apostolic Succession, and Sacramental Grace. They all have always and constantly believed in and taught the inspiration of extrabiblical Apostolic Tradition, and all of them have consistently opposed sectarian attempts to pit the Holy Scriptures against Apostolic Tradition and Church doctrine.

I believe that Mrs. Matrisciana's skepticism about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is typical of the errors of those who advocate the private interpretation of the Scriptures. It does not surprise me that sectarian groups prefer to follow newly-contrived forms of worship invented by men.

I can only lament her abandonment of Cathlic truth for dubious sectarian interpretations of Scripture. This decision has led her into a doctrinal wilderness, where continual disagrements prevail with regard to sacramental grace, free will, infused justification, predestination, assurance of salvation, what acts are considered sins, pastoral authority, what constitutes a valid church government, what constitutes a properly contrived post-15th century worship service, the reality of spiritual gifts, and what day Christians should worship God. Various sectarian advocates of so-called 'biblical' Christianity continue to invent new and contrary opionions on these and other doctrinal matters. While all of them proclaim the Bible as the sole rule of faith and source of their doctrines, all that they can agree upon is that Catholicism is wrong, or upon doctrines that they have either borrowed or stolen from Catholicism, like the inspiration of the Scriptures, the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth, the Trinity, the Canon of the New Testament, etc.

In response to her insinuations, I would refer you to two Catholic Answers tracts which both demonstate the early origins of the Catholic teachings on this matter,

The Real Presence -- The Fathers Know Best,

http://www.catholic.com/library/Real_Presence.asp

and, The Sacrifice of the Eucharist - The Fathers Know Best,

http://www.catholic.com/library/Sacrifice_of_the_Mass.asp

In Christ,

Jeff

#464

From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:41 pm
Subject: Needing prayers:

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Arrangements are under way for Catholic author Rod Bennett to be interviewed on an upcoming episode of the nationally syndicated program, Radio Liberty, hosed by physician (ret.) and public health advocate, Dr. Stanley Monteith. Mr. Bennett is knowledgeable scholar of the early church, editor and publisher of Wonder magazine (now only available online), and is the author of Four Witnesses: The Early Church in Her Own Words, and is a popular speaker on Church doctrine, history and apologetics. He certainly could benefit from our prayers, as he will likely be responding to the anti-Catholic insinuations of previous Radio Liberty guest, the former Catholic, Protestant conspiracy theorist, Karry ('Caryl') Matrisciana.

In Jesus Christ our King,

Jeff

#463

From: "Scott Windsor, Sr." <smwindsor@...>
Date: Tue Mar 3, 2009 9:56 pm
Subject: A Special Holiday Today!

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Do YOU know what day it is? (Sorry to my friends in Australia - I'm a little late posting this for you!)

http://cathapol.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/square-root-day/

Scott<<<

#462

From: "Scott Windsor, Sr." <smwindsor@...>
Date: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:05 pm
Subject: Bp. Fellay Responds to Interview

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http://cathapol.blogspot.com/2009/02/bp-fellay-responds.html

I have posted Bp. Fellay's response to the interview with Bp. Williamson and the Swedish press (involving the Holocaust).

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It seems Bp. Fellay, the Superior General of SSPX, is distancing himself from the positions expressed by Bp. Williamson regarding the Holocaust.

In JMJ,

Scott<<<

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#461

From: "Scott Windsor, Sr." <smwindsor@...>
Date: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: SSPX Press Release

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Thanks Jerry! (Although, the entire text of both the press release and Bp. Fellay's letter to the Members of SSPX are posted here on TradCath too).

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Jerry Okonski <jokonski@...> wrote:

From: Jerry Okonski <jokonski@...>
Subject: [TradCath] SSPX Press Release
To:
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 1:14 AM

http://www.sspx.org/sspx_media_brochure.pdf

#460

From: Jerry Okonski <jokonski@...>
Date: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:14 am
Subject: SSPX Press Release

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http://www.sspx.org/sspx_media_brochure.pdf

#459

From: "Scott Windsor, Sr." <smwindsor@...>
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: Excommunications ARE Lifted!!

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The important words are:
> In virtue of the faculties that have been expressly
> conceded to me by the Holy Father, Benedict XVI, in virtue
> of the present decree, I lift from Bishops Bernard Fellay,
> Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso
> de Galarreta the censure of excommunication latae sententiae
> declared by this congregation on July 1, 1988, and declare
> void of juridical effects beginning today the decree
> published then.

Especially note, the "juridical effects" are declared
"void" beginning that day, January 21st.

My only concern, if it is a concern, is that Abp. Lefebvre
himself is not mentioned and the effects are valid as of
January 21, 2009.  Does that do anything for the Archbishop?

We can rejoice that the Society is exonerated - that is
joy enough but we cannot back down until Traditionalism
is no longer considered the "red-headed step-sister" but
returns to the norm for the Church.

Let us do so in the spirit of 1 Peter 3:15-17.

In JMJ,
Scott<<<

#458

From: "Scott Windsor, Sr." <smwindsor@...>
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:11 pm
Subject: Re: Excommunications ARE Lifted!!

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Here is another translation (from ZENIT) of the decree:

http://www.zenit.org/article-24901?l=english

Decree Lifting Traditionalist Bishops' Excommunication

"A Sign for the Promotion of Unity in Charity"

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 25, 2009 (Zenit.org).- Here is a translation of the decree
released Saturday by the Congregation for Bishops, advising of the lifting of
excommunication of the four bishops ordained without papal permission by Marcel
Lefebvre in 1988.

* * *

With a letter of Dec. 15, 2008, sent to His Eminence Cardinal Dar�o Castrill�n
Hoyos, president of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, Monsignor Bernard
Fellay, in his name and in that of the other bishops consecrated June 30, 1988,
again requested the lifting of the excommunication latae sententiae formally
declared by decree of the prefect of this Congregation for Bishops on July 1,
1988.

In the mentioned letter, Monsignor Fellay affirms, among other things:

"We are always fervently determined in the will to be and to remain Catholics
and to place all of our strength at the service of the Church of Our Lord Jesus
Christ, which is the Roman Catholic Church. We accept all of her teachings with
a filial spirit. We firmly believe in the primacy of Peter and in his
prerogatives and because of this, the present situation makes us suffer so
much."

His Holiness Benedict XVI, paternally sensitive to the spiritual unrest
manifested by the interested parties because of the sanction of excommunication,
and trusting in the commitment expressed by them in the cited letter to spare no
effort in going deeper in the necessary conversations with the authorities of
the Holy See in matters still unresolved, and to be able to thus arrive quickly
to a full and satisfactory solution of the problem existing from the beginning,
has decided to reconsider the canonical situation of the bishops Bernard Fellay,
Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, which
arose with their episcopal consecration.

With this act it is desired to consolidate the mutual relations of trust, [and]
to intensify and make more stable the relationship of the Fraternity of St. Pius
X with the Apostolic See. This gift of peace, at the end of the celebrations of
Christmas, also aims to be a sign for the promotion of unity in charity of the
universal Church, and with this means, come to remove the scandal of division.

It is desired that this step be followed by the solicitous fulfillment of full
communion with the Church of the Society of St. Pius X, thereby witnessing to
authentic fidelity and a true recognition of the magisterium and the authority
of the Pope, with the proof of visible unity.

In virtue of the faculties that have been expressly conceded to me by the Holy
Father, Benedict XVI, in virtue of the present decree, I lift from Bishops
Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de
Galarreta the censure of excommunication latae sententiae declared by this
congregation on July 1, 1988, and declare void of juridical effects beginning
today the decree published then.

Rome, Congregation for the Bishops,

Jan. 21, 2009

Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re
Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops

--- On Sat, 1/24/09, Scott Windsor, Sr. <smwindsor@...> wrote:

> From: Scott Windsor, Sr. <smwindsor@...>
> Subject: [TradCath] Excommunications ARE Lifted!!
> To: TradCath@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 3:42 PM
> The Excommunications ARE lifted!  Praise God!
>
> Text of the letter:
> http://cathapol.blogspot.com/2009/01/sspx-not-in-excommunication.html
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Jerry Okonski
> <jokonski@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Jerry Okonski <jokonski@...>
> > Subject: [TradCath] Excommunications to be lifted??
> > To:
> > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 7:32 PM
> > Rumour Watch: Lifting of Excommunication of SSPX
> Bishops in
> > the Next Days?
> > [UPDATED]*by Shawn Tribe*
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > The NLM's Gregor Kollmorgen has been following
> this
> > story the past few days,
> > as has Rorate
> >
> Caeli<http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/01/surprise-for-tomorrow.html>.
> > A well-informed Spanish writer is reporting
> > "explosive" news [literally, a
> > "bomb"] is to be announced very shortly.
> >
> > Here is Rorate Caeli's take:
> >
> > The extremely well-informed Spanish blogger Francisco
> Jos�
> > Fern�ndez de la
> > Cigo�a (whose blog La Cig�e�a de la Torre was, for
> > instance, one of the
> > first to predict the nomination of Cardinal Ca�izares
> > Llovera as Prefect of
> > CDW) had hinted on the nature of the "explosive
> > news" since last week - and
> > since November, in fact.
> >
> > Today, he confirms that his sources
> >
>
report<http://blogs.periodistadigital.com/laciguena.php/2009/01/21/p214640#more2\
14640>
> > "explosive
> > news" related to the "Lefebvrists"
> [sic] -
> > probably the removal or
> > withdrawal of the excommunications of the four Bishops
> of
> > the Priestly
> > Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), consecrated
> by
> > Archbishop Marcel
> > Lefebvre and co-consecrated by Bishop Antonio de
> Castro
> > Mayer in Ec�ne,
> > Switzerland, on June 30, 1988. Fern�ndez de la
> Cigo�a
> > predicts the Papal act
> > for "tomorrow" (though it is unclear how
> long it
> > will take for the act to be
> > made public).
> >
> >
> >
> > (*Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Bishop Antonio de Castro
> > Mayer and the Four*)
> >
> > *UPDATE:*
> >
> > This story is gaining further steam. Well respected
> > Vaticanista, Andrea
> > Tornielli is now reporting this story: Il Papa ha
> firmato
> > la revoca della
> > scomunica ai
> >
>
lefebvriani<http://blog.ilgiornale.it/tornielli/2009/01/21/il-papa-ha-firmato-la\
-revoca-della-scomunica-ai-lefebvriani/>
> > (The
> > Pope has signed the Revocation of the Lefebvrist
> > Excommunications).
> >
> > Here is the story he reports in an NLM translation:
> >
> > The decree will be made public in the coming days with
> > which Benedict XVI
> > has determined to lift the excommunications imposed on
> the
> > four new bishops
> > ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988. Back then, in
> > addition to the four
> > (Bernard Fellay, Alfonso de Gallareta, Tissier de
> Mallerais
> > and Richard
> > Williamson) had also been excommunicated Lefebvre
> himself
> > and Brazilian
> > Bishop De Castro Mayer who had participated in the
> > ceremony.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Now, with a truly magnanimous gesture, granting the
> request
> > made by Fellay,
> > Benedict XVI has decided to lift the excommunication.
> > Excommunication that,
> > it should be noted, has always only covered the
> > consecrating bishops
> > (Lefebvre and De Castro Mayer, both long gone) and the
> four
> > consecrated, but
> > never the Lefebvrist priests nor the faithful.
> >
> >
> > One note on this story. While it is clear that this
> rumour
> > applies to the
> > four bishops consecrated, the fate of the consecrators
> > remains an open
> > question mark.
> >
> > Labels: Rumour
> >
> Watch<http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/search/label/Rumour%20Watch>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>

#457

From: jsmyer2@...
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: Excommunications ARE Lifted!!

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This part brings tears to my eyes. By God's abundant Grace, I have heard Bishop Fellay speak on several occasions. His complete sincerity, along with that of SSPX priests whom I have known, is beyond belief.

Deo Gratias!

Janet

In a message dated 1/26/2009 12:27:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, smwindsor@... writes:

And I added: “We are ready to write the Creed with our own blood, to sign the anti-modernist oath, the profession of faith of Pius IV, we accept and make our own all the councils up to the Second Vatican Council about which we express some reservations.”

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#456

From: "Scott Windsor, Sr." <smwindsor@...>
Date: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Excommunications ARE Lifted!!

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The previous entry was the "Press Release" and what I am posting today is the
letter from Bp. Fellay to the members of SSPX:

---------------------------------------------------
Letter From Bishop Bernard Fellay to the members of SSPX

Dear faithful,

As I announce in the attached press release, “ the excommunication of the
bishops consecrated by His Grace Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, on June 30, 1988,
which had been declared by the Congregation for Bishops in a decree dated July
1, 1988, and which we had always contested, has been withdrawn by another decree
mandated by Benedict XVI and issued by the same Congregation on January 21,
2009.”

It was the prayer intention I had entrusted to you in Lourdes, on the feast of
Christ the King 2008. Your response exceeded our expectations, since one million
seven hundred and three thousand rosaries were said to obtain through the
intercession of Our Lady that an end be put to the opprobrium which, beyond the
persons of the bishops of the Society, rested upon all those who were more or
less attached to Tradition. Let us not forget to thank the Most Blessed Virgin
who has inspired the Holy Father with this unilateral, benevolent, and
courageous act to. Let us assure him of our fervent prayers.

Thanks to this gesture, Catholics attached to Tradition throughout the world
will no longer be unjustly stigmatized and condemned for having kept the Faith
of their fathers. Catholic Tradition is no longer excommunicated.

Though it never was in itself, it was often excommunicated and cruelly so in day
to day events. It is just as the Tridentine Mass had never been abrogated in
itself, as the Holy Father has happily recalled in the Motu Proprio Summorum
Pontificum of July 7, 2007. The decree of January 21 quotes the letter dated
December 15, 2008 to Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos in which I expressed our
attachment “to the Church of Our Lord Jesus-Christ which is the Catholic
Church,” re-affirming there our acceptation of its two thousand year old
teaching and our faith in the Primacy of Peter.

I reminded him that we were suffering much from the present situation of the
Church in which this teaching and this primacy were being held to scorn. And I
added: “We are ready to write the Creed with our own blood, to sign the
anti-modernist oath, the profession of faith of Pius IV, we accept and make our
own all the councils up to the Second Vatican Council about which we express
some reservations.” In all this, we are convinced that we remain faithful to
the line of conduct indicated by our founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, whose
reputation we hope to soon see restored.

Consequently, we wish to begin these “talks” – which the decree
acknowledges to be “necessary – about the doctrinal issues which are opposed
to the Magisterium of all time. We cannot help noticing the unprecedented crisis
which is shaking the Church today: crisis of vocations, crisis of religious
practice, of catechism, of the reception of the sacraments… Before us, Paul VI
went so far as to say that “from some fissure the smoke of Satan had entered
the Church”, and he spoke of the “self-destruction of the Church”. John
Paul II did not hesitate to say that Catholicism in Europe was, as it were, in a
state of “silent apostasy.” Shortly before his election to the Throne of
Peter, Benedict XVI compared the Church to a “boat taking in water on every
side.”

Thus, during these discussions with the Roman authorities we want to examine the
deep causes of the present situation, and by bringing the appropriate remedy,
achieve a lasting restoration of the Church.

Dear faithful, the Church is in the hands of her Mother, the Most Blessed Virgin
Mary. In Her we place our confidence. We have asked from her the freedom of the
Mass of all time everywhere and for all. We have asked from her the withdrawal
of the decree of excommunications. In our prayers, we now ask from her the
necessary doctrinal clarifications which confused souls so much need.

Menzingen
January 24, 2009,
+Bernard Fellay

---------------------------------------------

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Scott Windsor, Sr. <smwindsor@...> wrote:

> From: Scott Windsor, Sr. <smwindsor@...>
> Subject: Re: [TradCath] Excommunications ARE Lifted!!
> To: TradCath@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 12:06 AM
> Press Release from the Superior General of the Priestly
> Society of Saint Pius X
>
> The excommunication of the bishops consecrated by His Grace
> Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, on June 30, 1988, which had been
> declared by the Congregation for Bishops in a decree dated
> July 1, 1988, and which we had always contested, has been
> withdrawn by another decree mandated by Benedict XVI and
> issued by the same Congregation on January 21, 2009.
>
> We express our filial gratitude to the Holy Father for this
> gesture which, beyond the Priestly Society  of Saint Pius X,
> will benefit the whole Church. Our Society wishes to be
> always more able to help the pope to remedy the
> unprecedented crisis which presently shakes the Catholic
> world, and which Pope John Paul II had designated as a state
> of “silent apostasy.”
>
> Besides our gratitude towards the Holy Father and towards
> all those who helped him to make this courageous act, we are
> pleased that the decree of January 21 considers as necessary
> “talks” with the Holy See, talks which will enable the
> Priestly Society of Saint Pius X to explain the fundamental
> doctrinal reasons which it believes to be at the origin of
> the present difficulties of the Church.
>
> In this new atmosphere, we have the firm hope to obtain
> soon the recognition of the rights of Catholic Tradition
>
>
>
> Menzingen, January 24, 2009
>
> +Bernard Fellay
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>