--- In Tom-Swift@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Weir" <aaf709@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Tom-Swift@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Campbell <campbell@>
wrote:
> > But fanfic has seemed to raise the hackles of all previous list
> > owners.
> > Charlie Campbell
> >
> Which is like reading Sherlock Holmes, but ignoring anything other
> than the Canon.
>
> Greg


Throwing in my two cents worth.  In writing "Sandra Swift & The Lost
Airship" (and, hopefully, getting back to work on "Caverns Of The
Moon"), I've tried to remain as close as possible to TSJ "canon"
(with a few admittedly difficult exceptions . . . my reduction of the
repelatron's influence being the largest).  What I've attempted to do
is add a few years or so to the TSJ universe, envision a world where
Swift Enterprise inventions have expanded into the global market and,
most important, see where the major characters from the series have
progressed.

Two cents???

How about a gift card?


Michael

--- In Tom-Swift@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Campbell <campbell@...> wrote:
>
> The monthly book on the Finnan site is Outpost in Space. I was
> plotting to post this there but since I'm moving over here, I post it
here.

> Thoughts?


Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who's had trouble with the design
for the outpost.  And, as has already been mentioned, it seemed as if
Tom did a lot of development work on a "idle thought" basis.  The
production of gravity, for instance.

I think the government and other involved (possible client) interests
would've forgiven Tom for taking several months, or even an entire year
or so, to iron out the details.

(By the by, I'm of the "rotate the whole thing/dock in the hub"
school).


Michael

Greetings:

Docking with a rotating space station (even though the Outpost doesn't) should
be done alone the
axis. Watch the "Pan Am Clipper" sequence in 2001: A Space Odyssey. It shows the
viewpoints from
outer space, inside the "Clipper" and inside the station. A couple of pictures
are worth a
thousand words.

Similar effects can be seen in the TV show Babylon 5 and a few other shows.

One SF series did it the hard way and the author had to wave her hands a lot to
explain. It later
became part of the "canon" and was pretty much ignored by fans. In C.J. Cherry's
"Alliance-Union"
series (in novels such as the award-winning "Downbelow Station", the huge
interstellar stations
rotate to provide gravity. Ships dock by matching their speed so they hit that
docking port **on
the rim** exactly right (!!!!). There's wear and tear on the ship, wear and tear
on the station,
and sales of both headache and heart medication are on the rise at both locales.



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--- In Tom-Swift@yahoogroups.com, Nestria <nestria@...> wrote:
>
> on 12/21/06 8:44 AM, flashn9wdq@... at flashn9wdq@... wrote:
>
> > I do see a problem for those mdules that are devoted to Earth
observation.
> > Since the spin is at the center. they would also be moving (well,
yeah - I
> > mean a bit differently) and would be hard pressed to "lock on" to
a point.
> > Unless, of course, their equipment could compensate..............
> >
> > 73  dennis
>
> yes, spinning presents a problem for the hub that contains the
telescopes,
> unless all that's in there is recording equipment and observers, and the
> telescopes themselves are floating nearby.
>
The way Tom described the telescopes (just a latticework) would make a
spin really bad. IIRC there's a scene where a meteor hits the outpost
and causes it to spin. Caused a lot of problems until they stopped it.

Greg

on 12/20/06 10:54 PM, Charlie Campbell at campbell@... wrote:


Let me take the opportunity to point out that both their works can be
accessed through our links section here.

--- In Tom-Swift@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Campbell <campbell@...> wrote:
> But fanfic has seemed to raise the hackles of all previous list
> owners.
> Charlie Campbell
>
Which is like reading Sherlock Holmes, but ignoring anything other
than the Canon.

Greg

on 12/21/06 8:44 AM, flashn9wdq@... at flashn9wdq@... wrote:

> I do see a problem for those mdules that are devoted to Earth observation.
> Since the spin is at the center. they would also be moving (well, yeah - I
> mean a bit differently) and would be hard pressed to "lock on" to a point.
> Unless, of course, their equipment could compensate..............
>
> 73  dennis

yes, spinning presents a problem for the hub that contains the telescopes,
unless all that's in there is recording equipment and observers, and the
telescopes themselves are floating nearby.

Of course, once he's got repelatrons, you'd think Tom could point a big one
set to 'fleshy stuff' DOWN at the outpost for "gravity," and another on the
underside pointing UP set to 'hull metal' to keep the outpost from drifting
towards Earth.

But then, I think you could do darn near anything with the proper
application of repelatrons!

on 12/21/06 8:46 AM, flashn9wdq@... at flashn9wdq@... wrote:

> HMMM, makes the module internal arrangements a bit different. They would have
> to have numerous "floors" since "down" is towards the rocket end. Not really a
> problem just different thatn I would have imagined, or rather envisioned. Just
> goes to show that different thinking minds are always needed.
>
> 73  dennis

Either way works, but I think Tom definitely needs to make up his mind
BEFORE he builds the thing.  If you decided to spin it LATER and all the
walls become curved floors, it would be rather annoying.

HMMM, makes the module internal arrangements a bit different. They would have to
have numerous "floors" since "down" is towards the rocket end. Not really a
problem just different thatn I would have imagined, or rather envisioned. Just
goes to show that different thinking minds are always needed.

73  dennis

--- Nestria <nestria@...> wrote:
> on 12/21/06 12:58 AM, flashn9wdq@... at flashn9wdq@...
> wrote:
>
> > Gee, I had also always assumed that it spun. When I think about i now, the
> > configuration would not work with a spin. "Gravity" would be towards the end
> > of the rocket hubs.
>
> Hey Dennis!
>
> That still works with a spin.  "Gravity" would be just the same as if you
> were in the rocket section standing upright on Earth.  You'd need a ladder
> to move towards the hub, but you'd need that on the ground anyway.
>

I do see a problem for those mdules that are devoted to Earth observation. Since
the spin is at the center. they would also be moving (well, yeah - I mean a bit
differently) and would be hard pressed to "lock on" to a point. Unless, of
course, their equipment could compensate..............

73  dennis

--- Nestria <nestria@...> wrote:
> on 12/21/06 12:58 AM, flashn9wdq@... at flashn9wdq@...
> wrote:
>
> > Gee, I had also always assumed that it spun. When I think about i now, the
> > configuration would not work with a spin. "Gravity" would be towards the end
> > of the rocket hubs.
>
> Hey Dennis!
>
> That still works with a spin.  "Gravity" would be just the same as if you
> were in the rocket section standing upright on Earth.  You'd need a ladder
> to move towards the hub, but you'd need that on the ground anyway.
>

--- In Tom-Swift@yahoogroups.com, "case home" <casehome@...> wrote:
>
> May I join? - Larry C.
>

You just did, Larry.  Welcome aboard!

May I join? - Larry C.

on 12/21/06 7:50 AM, James Keeline at keeline@... wrote:

>> flashn9wdq@... wrote:
>>
>>> Gee, I had also always assumed that it spun. When I think about i now, the
>>> configuration would not work with a spin. "Gravity" would be towards the
>>> end of the rocket hubs.
>
>
> --- Nestria <nestria@...> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dennis!
>>
>> That still works with a spin.  "Gravity" would be just the same as if you
>> were in the rocket section standing upright on Earth.  You'd need a ladder
>> to move towards the hub, but you'd need that on the ground anyway.
>
>
> One of my favorite sf books is Arthur C. Clarke's ISLANDS IN THE SKY which was
> first published in the Winston Science Fiction series in 1952 and reprinted a
> number of times.  It describes the adventure of a young man who wins an
> aviation themed trivia contest and wins a trip "anywhere on Earth."  He has
> prepared his answer to take him to the low-Earth orbit space station.  After
> some balking by the rules judges, he gets his trip, of course.  Clarke does a
> creditable job of describing life on a spinning and non-spinning station.

Sounds reminiscent of the plot for Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
Hoooooooooootellllll.

> flashn9wdq@... wrote:
>
> > Gee, I had also always assumed that it spun. When I think about i now, the
> > configuration would not work with a spin. "Gravity" would be towards the
> > end of the rocket hubs.


--- Nestria <nestria@...> wrote:

> Hey Dennis!
>
> That still works with a spin.  "Gravity" would be just the same as if you
> were in the rocket section standing upright on Earth.  You'd need a ladder
> to move towards the hub, but you'd need that on the ground anyway.


One of my favorite sf books is Arthur C. Clarke's ISLANDS IN THE SKY which was
first published in the Winston Science Fiction series in 1952 and reprinted a
number of times.  It describes the adventure of a young man who wins an
aviation themed trivia contest and wins a trip "anywhere on Earth."  He has
prepared his answer to take him to the low-Earth orbit space station.  After
some balking by the rules judges, he gets his trip, of course.  Clarke does a
creditable job of describing life on a spinning and non-spinning station.

James Keeline
http://www.Keeline.com
http://Stratemeyer.org

For discussions of the Stratemeyer Syndicate and its series:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stratemeyer

on 12/20/06 10:54 PM, Charlie Campbell at campbell@... wrote:

> First of all, let me welcome all those that are reading this to the
> new Tom-Swift list. One of my reasons for helping to  form this list
> is to promote Tom Swift fanfic as it helps keep alive the stories I
> treasure from my childhood. To date, Tom Swift fanfic has had only
> two authors, Michael Wolff and Scott Dickerson.

Let me take the opportunity to point out that both their works can be
accessed through our links section here.

on 12/21/06 12:58 AM, flashn9wdq@... at flashn9wdq@...
wrote:

> Gee, I had also always assumed that it spun. When I think about i now, the
> configuration would not work with a spin. "Gravity" would be towards the end
> of the rocket hubs.

Hey Dennis!

That still works with a spin.  "Gravity" would be just the same as if you
were in the rocket section standing upright on Earth.  You'd need a ladder
to move towards the hub, but you'd need that on the ground anyway.

on 12/21/06 1:14 AM, Charlie Campbell at campbell@... wrote:

> At 11:58 PM 12/20/2006, you wrote:
>
>> Gee, I had also always assumed that it spun. When I think about i
>> now, the configuration would not work with a spin. "Gravity" would
>> be towards the end of the rocket hubs. I think that I tend to always
>> think of the space wheel concept, as in 2001.
>>
>> 73 dennis
>
> You know, I had always thought it spun too. I don't know why.
> Especially since people stood on the ends of the spokes (as in the
> page 92-93 drawing in Solarton) which would be impossible even with
> magnetic boots in a spinning station.

I've always made it spin in my various animations.  My friend Russ the
rocket scientist even helped me figure out how FAST it should spin.
Frankly, it looks sort of dumb NOT spinning.

But I've always known Tom didn't make it spin.  :(

One question is, is there any point in making it a big toroid* if it's NOT
going to spin?

*Homer Simpson voice on:  mmmmmm, doooonnutssssss

Greetings:

Charlie, sounds like a plan. I really enjoyed the TS fanfic that I had
read and hope that we can get some of the other stuff that was "lost"
back online, as well as get some new stuff up.

I left the first list when we all, ahhh, "left". I left the second
list when the list owner went off topic and was nasty. But I miss the
discussion about TS!

So I'm glad to see this one! TS forever!

Fred Kiesche

First of all, let me welcome all those that are reading this to the
new Tom-Swift list. One of my reasons for helping to  form this list
is to promote Tom Swift fanfic as it helps keep alive the stories I
treasure from my childhood. To date, Tom Swift fanfic has had only
two authors, Michael Wolff and Scott Dickerson. But fanfic has seemed
to raise the hackles of all previous list owners. The first person I
was aware of, to be deleted from Tom Ippolito's  list (Tom_Swift) was
Scott Dickerson; I know this because I tried unsuccessfully to
mediate between them - and like all unsuccessful mediators, ended up
pissing them both off. Tom Ippolito did not like Scott's work; I am
not sure of the reason, it might be completely personal, or it might
be because he doesn't like Scott's remake of the Tom Jr. world - who
knows. But at the same time, Tom Ipp was generally supportive of
Michael Wolff's work.

On the other hand, Bob Finnan was hostile to *any* fanfic. After the
demise of the Tom Ipp list, several members were concerned about the
demise of information stored in the files and photos sections of the
Ipp website. As a result, I tried to upload Michael's "Sandra Swift
and the Lost Airship" to the files section only to be blocked by Bob
Finnan. First of all, he complained that I had uploaded it in the
original Word format I had received it in. So I converted it to both
pdf and text format. Then he complained that it was too large, so I
split it in two to fit within his file limit. Then his true intention
came forward when he said that he didn't want the file section to
become a dumping place for fanfic. I pointed out that the entire Tom
Swift fanfic output, mostly  from Scott's
http://www.tomswiftlives.com website was dumped into the files
section,  it total file size would not exceed half the space that
Yahoo allows. Bob literally asked: who the f*** am I to tell him how
to run a list and moderated all my posts.

So I want to be more than friendly to fanfic. I want to encourage it
- both good and bad. It and lists like this, keep the whole thing alive.

Tom Ipp's complaint about Scott Dickerson was that he was receiving
complaints that fanfic was dominating the list and briefly created a
Tom Swift fanfic list. I didn't notice it at the time and as there
are only two Tom Swift fanfic authors I am aware of, I don't believe
it can be a major problem. But in case whoever complained to Tom Ipp
is out there, let me assure them that I only want this list to be
friendly, not dominated by fanfic.

While new series like Tom V, keeps the name Tom Swift alive, fanfic
based on the old series, good or bad, helps keep them alive.

I will shortly post a review of the latest fanfic entry, Scott
Dickerson's version of Asteroid Pirates,  as a way of starting
discussion on this issue. I have given Scott a heads up that I will
have a review and ask him about his reasons for making various
changes. He has not seen my review, because I haven't written it yet.

Charlie Campbell

P.S. I was shocked to find that there are people who have posted on
the web that think that because I support Scott, that I and  Scott
are one and the same. Generally, the record will show  I have been
more supportive of Michael Wolff than Scott. But honestly, had I been
Scott, I would have insisted on getting the science right, which
means I couldn't have written Scott's stories - and honestly means I
couldn't have written any of the Tom Swift stories in any of the five
series.

At 11:58 PM 12/20/2006, you wrote:

>Gee, I had also always assumed that it spun. When I think about i
>now, the configuration would not work with a spin. "Gravity" would
>be towards the end of the rocket hubs. I think that I tend to always
>think of the space wheel concept, as in 2001.
>
>73 dennis

You know, I had always thought it spun too. I don't know why.
Especially since people stood on the ends of the spokes (as in the
page 92-93 drawing in Solarton) which would be impossible even with
magnetic boots in a spinning station.

Charlie Campbell

Gee, I had also always assumed that it spun. When I think about i now, the
configuration would not work with a spin. "Gravity" would be towards the end of
the rocket hubs. I think that I tend to always think of the space wheel concept,
as in 2001.

73  dennis

---- COURYHOUSE@... wrote:
>
>
> OK so in the end it did not spin...then entering the ends of the spokes
> makes sense!
> .  I will have to reread the book...
>
> ed
>
>
>
>
> The Outpost did not rotate. I quote the following section:
>
> Chow scratched his chin and scowled thoughtfully.  "I still don't savvy why
> the
> blamed thing is shaped like a wheel. You  figger on havin' it turn around up
> there
> in the sky?"
> "We could make it  rotate, Chow," replied Tom, "if we wanted to set up
> artificial  gravity."
> "How's that again?"
> Tom attempted to explain. "You see, Chow,  once we get out there in space,
> everything will seem weightless. We'll  just float around with nowhere to
> fall to,
> because there won't be any up  or down. But some people might not find that
> very
> pleasant. So the answer  would be to start the wheel turning."
> "What good would that do?" Chow  asked, still mystified.
> "Ever seen what happens if you twirl a ball around  and around on the end of
> a string?"
> "Why, brand my radarscope, any  jughead knows that. The speed keeps the
> string taut with the ball bein'  pushed out."
> "Right. So if the wheel started spinning around, everything  inside would
> tend
> to push out toward the rirn. In other words, for the  spacemen inside each
> spoke, 'up' would mean toward the wheel hub and 'down'  would mean toward the
> rim."
> Chow mulled this over silently for a while,  then began muttering to himself
> as he tried to figure out Tom's explanation.  Finally he burst out in despair:
> "Sufferin' coyotes, Tom! Down is out, an' up  is in, an'- I jest don't get
> the hang o' that nohow. If cookin' grub on a  space station is goin' to mess a
> feller all up that-a-way, I'd rather stay put  right here on the ground!"
> Tom shook with laughter but added consolingly,  "Don't worry, Chow. I don't
> believe our station will have to do any  turning, anyhow." But the veteran
> cowpoke merely clumped off, shaking his head  glumly.
>
> That is why Tom invented the Zero-g  chamber.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
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>
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It does take some maneuvering. One must get all three axis working correctly. It
is easy to line up in speed so that you are "standing still" in relation to the
docking. Then add in the rotationale speed, starts getting tricky. Once this is
done, simply shoot forward to dock. We do a similiar maneuver when practiceing
flying helicopters. The hard one is to rotate, at a constant distance and
elevation, around a cone with the tail pointed at the cone. Easy to do with no
wind. Damn near impossible with a breeze. And no mirror!!!!

73   dennis

---- COURYHOUSE@... wrote:
>
>
> My question Charlie is how would they effectively line up with a   rotating
> station and  dock the rocket down the end of the spoke.
>
> It would seem...  like an impossible maneuver!
>
> ed Sharpe archivist for smecc
>
> "And how would a critter go about  gettin' inside in the first place?"
> "Through one of these ports at the  outer end of each spoke," Tom said,
> pointing to the model. "Whenever a  supply rocket comes up from earth, it
> will
> nose right into an opening and  unload."
>
> So the rockets should not be docking at the hub, but at the  end of a spoke.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC
>
> See the Museum's Web Site at _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org/)

My question Charlie is how would they effectively line up with a  rotating station and  dock the rocket down the end of the spoke.
 
It would seem...  like an impossible maneuver!
 
ed Sharpe archivist for smecc

"And how would a critter go about gettin' inside in the first place?"

"Through one of these ports at the outer end of each spoke," Tom said,

pointing to the model. "Whenever a supply rocket comes up from earth, it will

nose right into an opening and unload."

So the rockets should not be docking at the hub, but at the end of a spoke.

 
Thanks,

Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC

See the Museum's Web Site at www.smecc.org

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