Hi, I think the difference between Hobbit and LotR elves is due to a change in Tolkien's writing style and thoughts, not something that can or should be ...
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Matt
uncutray
Jan 22, 2008 3:44 pm
Ultimately we have to look at the creation of the Hobbit. JRRT sat down to write it as a tale for children. He began to loosely fit it into the world that he...
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John Davis
mcxg46
Jan 22, 2008 4:39 pm
Dare we hope that PJ's version will restore the Hobbit to a LotR-like version?! John ... From: "Matt" <tea_party@...> To:...
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Gary Bellinger
pepper_gaz
Jan 22, 2008 7:11 pm
I think these elves are different from the high elves that Tolkien wrote about in the Sil and elves of LOTR because The Hobbit was written more as a children's...
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Gary Bellinger
pepper_gaz
Jan 22, 2008 7:13 pm
Dare we pray that PJ's version of The Hobbit will stay within the spirit of Tolkien's Middle-Earth and not some alternate world!?! Gary ... From: "John Davis"...
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Peter Chapman
lordofhawks
Jan 22, 2008 7:56 pm
Most definitely. These elves are the Teleri - the high elves in middle earth are Noldor - who are interested in crafts. The Teleri are more rustic - and...
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Rob
cosmiccostello
Jan 22, 2008 9:00 pm
Obviously the real world reason why Hobbit and LotR and Silmarillion are so different is the writer's style, thinking, and audience. I'm just trying to ...
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steveseg@...
segutorio
Jan 28, 2008 1:41 pm
The tenth chapter of "The Hobbit" is "A Warm Welcome." Bilbo and the dwarves continue their journey down the Forest River, via barrels or casks. Thorin and the...
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Matt
uncutray
Jan 29, 2008 1:22 pm
This chapter is certainly a turning point for this book. It is here that Bilbo loses his leadership of the group, but becomes recognized for the talents that...
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REN
ren_blackcat
Jan 31, 2008 4:50 am
I must say, I am really enjoying this Ren :-) _____ From: TolkienDiscussions@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TolkienDiscussions@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday,...
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Matt
uncutray
Jan 31, 2008 6:14 pm
Cool! Me too--surprisingly. I don't think I would have picked up The Hobbit to reread ever again if it hadn't been for this discussion. Now I know that I will...
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steveseg@...
segutorio
Feb 4, 2008 3:09 pm
It took three days for the dwarves, Bilbo and their escort of townsmen to row up the Long Lake and Running River as the eleventh chapter, "On the Doorstep"...
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Matt
uncutray
Feb 5, 2008 1:21 pm
We see the fulfilment of the prophesy of the moon-letters on Thorin's map: ...... "Stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks," read Elrond, "and the...
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Servo Kamen
psycho_neko_...
Feb 7, 2008 6:15 am
It's amazing how pessemistic and forgetful these Dwarves are. I have to wonder if one of the reasons why Gandalf included Bilbo was just because he'd respond...
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steveseg@...
segutorio
Feb 11, 2008 4:12 pm
"Inside Information" is the title of the twelfth chapter of J. R. R. Tolien's "The Hobbit." The enchanted door had been breeched and entry to the secret dwarf...
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Jack
jackwhittake...
Feb 11, 2008 7:11 pm
You reckon the Arkenstone is a pearl? I've always thought of it as a diamond ... Jack... _____ From: TolkienDiscussions@yahoogroups.com ...
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steveseg@...
segutorio
Feb 11, 2008 7:53 pm
Looking back to page 231, I believe you are correct, Jack. I was focusing on the "globe" shape and missed the "thousand facets" part. Steve S. ... From: Jack...
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Jack
jackwhittake...
Feb 11, 2008 8:11 pm
Perhaps a Swarovski crystal ... Jack... _____ From: TolkienDiscussions@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TolkienDiscussions@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of...
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Matt
uncutray
Feb 13, 2008 1:33 am
I quite liked this chapter. It is interesting to get JRRT's take on dragons. I quite like the banter between Bilbo and the Dragon. I like the way Bilbo's...
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Matt
uncutray
Feb 13, 2008 1:46 am
I thought that it was an opal. It could very well be a pearl. The Dwarves were presented with Pearls as gifts of the Elves and in payment for work done for the...
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Jack
jackwhittake...
Feb 13, 2008 1:38 pm
http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/newsalerts/article/783742/mtsweek/tolkien-f amily-climbs-ring-/?DCMP=EMC-Daily%20News They claim they have been fobbed off...
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steveseg@...
segutorio
Feb 18, 2008 8:39 pm
"Not at Home" is the thirteen chapter of "The Hobbit," and indeed, Smaug has left his lair in the Lonely Mountain and headed for Esgaroth on Long Lake. But...
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Matt
uncutray
Feb 19, 2008 2:11 pm
Bilbo was wise to pocket the Arkenstone when he found it. It could become an important bargaining chip later, or, in the event that the Dwarves try to bilk him...
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Matt
uncutray
Feb 19, 2008 2:32 pm
Ah! Found the answer for myself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithril Matt West ... company ... ...
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Servo Kamen
psycho_neko_...
Feb 20, 2008 1:34 am
There are some who think that the Arkenstone might be one of the lost Silmarils. What you you think? Bilbo is coming to the end of his famous journey. He has...
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Gary Bellinger
pepper_gaz
Feb 20, 2008 3:07 am
Actually, you are forgetting about the Red Book of Westmarch. Bilbo continued on with that chronicling that was eventually finished i believe by Samwise...
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Servo Kamen
psycho_neko_...
Feb 20, 2008 6:10 am
Ah yes, of course. Though I was referring to what Frodo actually carried with him on his journey. Gary Bellinger <yesgaz@...> wrote: #ygrp-mkp {...
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Jack
jackwhittake...
Feb 20, 2008 7:40 am
Servo Kamen said: There are some who think that the Arkenstone might be one of the lost Silmarils That occurred to me when I read that.. ***spoiler alert**** ...
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Matt
uncutray
Feb 20, 2008 1:28 pm
It is unlikely that the Arkenstone is a Silmaril. First their light is much brighter than what is described for the Arkenstone. Second, it would have consumed...
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Matt
uncutray
Feb 20, 2008 1:31 pm
... be one ... a crack ... The crack where the Silmaril was cast is in the land that is under the sea by the Third Age. It is possible that Geologic forces...
