Hi Tony,


The language of "...after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God
entered into them, and they stood upon their feet..." is spiritual language for
sending the gospel out into the world in order that the great multitude become
saved. We see this when we compare the use of 'standing on the feet' in the book
of Acts:

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking
unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou
persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this
purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou
hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send
thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the
power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and
inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Mr. Camping has gone over this thoroughly in many of his studies. We can see
from the use of 'stand upon thy feet' in Acts 26:16-18 that it is God using His
servants to bring the gospel to the Gentiles (nations) in order that many become
saved.

You can't just jump right to the rapture. You need to first explain how God's
people have spiritually stood on their feet on May 21, 2011?
This didn't happen then; but it did happen after the 2300 evening mornings which
concluded in September, 1994. The latter rain began then and that is when God's
people stood on their feet in a spiritual sense.

May the Lord grant us His Wisdom,
Chris



--- In TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com, Tony Vicari <tonvicari@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Chris
>  When we read Rev. 11:11-13 
> 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God
> entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon
them
> which saw them.
> 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come
> up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld
> them.
> 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth
> part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
> and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
>  
>   Don't verse 12 describe the rapture, with the saints ascending to meet
Christ in the air? Acts 1:11-13
>   Dosen't verse 13 describe the final day of Judgment for the un-saved. John
5:28-2928 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all
> that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
> 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the
> resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
> damnation.
>                               
>                            
>
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>  
> If we read Acts 1:11-13  I think we can see a correlation
>  
> 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God
> entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon
them
> which saw them.
> 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come
> up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld
> them.
> 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth
> part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
> and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
>  
> So with the above verses showing correlation it can't be refurring to the the
church age ending, because the
> rapture didn't happen when the church age ended. And as you know the rapture
will happen on the last day.
>  
> Praise God, and lets beg Him for wisdom to understand His Word, at this time
in History more than ever.
>  
> Brother Tony V
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: chris <departout2001@...>
> To: TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:53 PM
> Subject: [TimeandJudgment_May212011] Re: Q & A text- Chris
>
>
>
>  
>
> Hello,
>
> Here's the verses from Revelation 11, with explanation of how they fit into
God's time table below them:
>
> 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth
out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them,
and kill them.
>
> The key here is the language of the beat ascending out of the bottomless pit.
This did not happen repeatedly or over and over. Satan was bound at the cross
and remained bound during the entire N.T. church age. The Bible indicates he
was loosed one time at the end of the church age (May 21, 1988). Therefore the
death of the 2 witnesses can only identify with the end of the church age.
Anyone claiming otherwise needs to explain what they are saying: was Satan
loosed in 1988? And if so, was he bound again and then loosed a 2nd time on May
21, 2011? The only explanation is that this verse is referring back to the end
of the witness of God's people within the churches of the world on May 21, 1988.
>
> 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which
spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
> 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their
dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be
put in graves.
> 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry,
and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them
that dwelt on the earth.
>
> DEAD BODIES:The Greek word (Ptoma) translated 3 times here as 'dead bodies' is
also the word translated as carcass in Matthew 24; and it is the word translated
as 'corpse' regarding John the Baptist's headless body. That is important in
understanding what God has in mind as He speaks about the death of the 2
witnesses. It is referring to a period of time in which it seems that Christ
has abandoned His people. However, God was not done yet.
>
> 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into
them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw
them.
>
> This period of 3 1/2 days wherein the 2 witnesses were lying dead in the
streets is referring to the 2300 evening mornings in which virtually no one in
the world was becoming saved. God speaks of it in Revelation 8:1 as 'silence in
heaven'. Following this period the 2 prophets stand on their feet. This is a
reference to the gospel once again going out into the world. This happened on
September 7th, 1994.
> It was the beginning of the latter rain. 1994 was a Jubilee year. And God
began to save a great multitude of people (outside of the churches) all over the
earth.
>
> May 21, 2011 was not a day of Satan's loosing in any way. It was an awful day
for Satan. Read the book of Esther. And read of Haman's fate. That is
describing to a 'T' spiritually, exactly what happened to Satan on May 21. The
only overcomer on that day was the Lord Jesus Christ (just as Mordecai was
exalted).
>
> May the Lord grant us His Wisdom,
> Chris
>
> --- In TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com, Bison Mann <bisonmann@>
wrote:
> >
> > Are the 3 1/2 days literal or figurative?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Tony Vicari <tonvicari@>
> > To: "TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com"
<TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TimeandJudgment_May212011] Re: Q & A text- Chris
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Mark
> >  The believers that were killed on May 21  were two witnesses of God,
His elect
> > they were silenced  ( killed)  just for 3 1/2 days then came
back to life. Read
> > Rev.11:7-12
> > 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast
> > that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and
shall
> > overcome them, and kill them.
> > 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great
> > city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was
> > crucified.
> > 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations
> > shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer
their
> > dead bodies to be put in graves.
> > 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and
> > make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets
> > tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
> > 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God
> > entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon
them
> > which saw them.
> > 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come
> > up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies
beheld
> > them
> >  
> > Brother Tony V
> >
> > From: Garyhiggs <GaryHiggs@>
> > To: TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TimeandJudgment_May212011] Re: Q & A text- Chris
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Mark:
> >  
> > Thank you for your opinion. Gary. 1 John 3:13-15
> >  
> > PS- I close with this verse maybe you can go into some detail what this
means? I believe many just look at this but never bother to check it out in the
chamber just you and the Lord seeking for wisdom and understanding.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Dutton <asdjnl12@>
> > To: TimeandJudgment_May212011 <TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 8:08 pm
> > Subject: [TimeandJudgment_May212011] Re: Q & A text- Chris
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Gary no matter how glibly or poiusly you keep stating that satan killed the
believers on M21 2011 your are just peddling something that is flat wrong.You
keep holding Mr Camping to every sylable the man ever allegedly uttered as if
you were a political operative dissecting an opponents statements / ommisions.
> > You keep putting 1988 in place of 2011 they are not interchangable. Satan
did not get the victory on M21 2011 GODS ELECT CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION
VICTORIOUS! M21 2011 was the greatest feat for the elect they ever experienced
since Christ demonstrated the atonement about 2000 yrs ago. The elect got the
victory on judgement day. You keep putting things upside down. Im sorry but your
not understanding the timelines. The bible teaches "be not many masters for they
shall bear the greater judgement." It means we should not all be proping
ourselves up as teachers becouse if if it turns out any of us are unsaved then
we as teachers are guilty of all the more.
> > The book of Esther speaks of the reversal of the kings orders being posted
and published. It is irrelevant what the world thinks of the believers as false
prophets. The elect serve the will of God and not man nor the pride nor honour
of man.
> >
> > --- In TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com, Garyhiggs <GaryHiggs@>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Chris:
> > >
> > > I see that you believe if you and others could it would be good to try to
get up a few billboards declaring that Purim is the return of the Lord and
judgment day.
> > >
> > > I am sorry but I totally disagree for many reasons.
> > >
> > > 1- Our testimony is finished as Mr. Camping declared before he had his
stroke when he was at 100 percent, Rev. 11:7-8, I have seen this also before he
made this statement.
> > >
> > > 2- To warn the world that judgment and return of the Lord openly shows
that one truly does not understand the nature of May 21, 2011. It was judgment
no salvation people are saying peace, peace, this means salvation with Christ
yet they have no peace, 1 Thes. 5:1-8
> > >
> > > 3- If we declare openly with billboards and such we must declare thus
saith the Lord we cannot be speculating on something so important unless you can
say this will happen as a fact as if one is sharing the true nature of salvation
we do not speculate concerning declaring the word of God this does not mean a
hill of beans.
> > >
> > > 4- When we declare the end of the world on Purim and if it does not happen
then we just lose credibility and cause to put shame on the Lord Jesus Christ
and give cause for the unsaved to scoff and to slander, and it causes doubt in
some in believing another date or believing anything that the person says.
> > >
> > > 5- This is the time we should be silent to the world our witness has come
to a close and Satan has overcome us and killed us spiritually speaking, this
took place as Mr. Camping stated right after May 21, as he said this MUST be
referring to Rev. 11:7-8, we should be in the chamber, Isa. 26:17-21, 1 Kings
22:25, Psalm 19:5, we go into the chamber to wait on the Lord and to both hope
and quietly wait on the completion of our bodies in the mean time we are praying
and seeking more truth from the word of God,
> > >
> > > 6- This is why I believe it would be wise for family radio not giving any
more dates they just keep it simple with scripture reading and music and such. I
do not believe you will hear another date for the return of the Lord from FR. We
can see that they are losing stations because there work to a large degree is
finished just the believers are being blessed to hear some good music and
reading from the word.
> > >
> > > 7- When we declare another date we are in a very real sense telling the
people that our witness is not finished to the world and there is still
salvation taken place, you do not believe this so why would you want to proclaim
another date openly to the world? There has been dates from your own fellowship
that has already come and gone and some see that this is not right at all what
happened? This has caused confusion separation,
> > >
> > > 8- When one shares openly another date trying to get billboards up again
and such is nullifying what took place May 21 in a very real sense judgment day
has come May 21, that is no salvation Jesus will return as a thief He could not
have returned May 21 literally for the believers because the world has heard the
sound of the trumpet that judgment is coming by you announcing another date you
make light of what took place May 21, 2011. Many people want to believe Rev.
11:7-8 is not referring to our day because they want to believe salvation is
still taken place, thus they are saying peace, peace, salvation is still taken
place when there is no real peace taken place today, 1 Thes. 5:1-8, If you truly
believe the return of the Lord is soon then you would keep silent, I have tried
warning you in the past that you were wrong on numbering the people saying over
and over there will be 200 million people saved you said,maybe 180 or 190
million may have been
> > saved just before May 21, 2001. I asked you where do you see this in the
word of God? Silence! When we do this we are judging before the time of the end,
1 Cor. 4:5.
> > >
> > > I believe Mr. Camping right after his stroke said the 200 million is not
literal but spiritual in nature it is deadly serious to try to number the people
David did this and he was chastened sorely for this, in fact, you did a study on
this a few years back this is why God tells us the number of the saved are as
the sand of the sea that CANNOT be numbered and the stars of heaven. I am sorry
but I believe you do not take corection well.
> > >
> > > 9- When you declare a date openly and now only a few will really hear this
message of the return of the Lord on Purim you are in a sense saying just these
few people are the wise who will know time and judgment, Ecc. 8:5, Amos 3:7,
Gen. 18:17, Rev. 10:7
> > >
> > > 10- I am truly sorry that I have to write to you like this but since you
are declaring openly the return of the Lord in March of 2012, I must warn you
openly that if you cannot say thus saith the Lord this will take place with out
doubt on Purim, then you are just speculating at best. We want to be able to
declare without doubt if we truly know time and judgment as the scriptures I
have already shared with you tells us that the believers will know both time and
judgment. I am sorry but you do not see that our witness to the world has been
finished that is to Sodom a picture of the churches and to Egypt a picture of
bondage to the world. So this has to do with the whole of the world. I believe
you think that Rev. 11:7-8 is just referring to the churches it is not it has to
do with the world in general. When we look at the context of Rev. 11:7-8 we can
see it is just before the return of the Lord where we are today I believe.
> > >
> > > "And when they shall have FINISHED their testimony, the beast that
ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall
overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of
the great city, which spiritually is alled Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord
was crucified."
> > >
> > > This is referring to both the corporate churches and to all nations of the
world as we see in the next verse.
> > >
> > > "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see
their dead bodies three days and half, and shall ot suffer their dead bodies to
be put in graves." Verse 9
> > >
> > > WE CAN SEE IT HAS TO DO WITH ALL NATIONS AND TONGUES, SO WE SEE THIS IS
ALL THE WORLD IN GENEAL THERE WAS A TIME THAT WE WERE TO SHARE AGAIN THE GOSPEL
TO ALL NATIONS AND TONGUES AND PEOPLES DURING THE LATER RAIN WE CAN SEE THE
WORDING IS THE SAME IN REV. 10:11 SHOWING US WHO ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE?
> > >
> > > "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many PEOPLES, and
NATIONS, and TONGUES, and KINGS." Rev. 10:11
> > >
> > > So when we compare the two verses we see one in the postive in Rev. 10:11,
and the other in the negative in Rev. 11:7-9, They both are in reference to the
whole world, the one is when we should declare the word to the world the other
is telling us that our witness is finished and Satan has overcome us in the
sense that our testimony is now finished.
> > >
> > > Now I am sure you will have another take on these verses this is fine but
the fact is, time will tell us if we were right in openly declaring another date
to the world thus saying our witness to the world is not yet finished. I say
these things not to discourage you but in reality to encourage you to go into
the chamber so you can learn more and see truth when we are alone with the Lord
in prayer and seeking His will.
> > >
> > > "And Miciah said, Behold, thou shalt SEE IN THAT DAY, when thou shalt go
into an INNER CHAMBER to HIDE thyself." 1 Kings 22:25
> > >
> > > "Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and SHUT THE DOORS about
thee; HIDE thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be
overpast." Isa. 26:20
> > >
> > > We are to wait now on the Lord, Isa. 25:9, until when? Until this judgemnt
be overpast, and when will that be? Until the return of the Lord we are to hide
our self not openly decalring another date but to hide thyself for a little
moment intil this judgment be overpast. By openly declaring to the world again
another date is not hiding thyself for a little moment is it? Please think and
pray about this. If March comes and goes all that you have done is lose
credibilty and bring shame on the cause of Christ giving the scoffers amuntion
to slander the gospel of Christ. Our witness is now finished and we are to hide
our self just for a little moment until this judgment be overpast. Thank you.
Gary. 1 John 3:13-15.
> > > "
> > >
> > > "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: chris <departout2001@>
> > > To: TimeandJudgment_May212011 <TimeandJudgment_May212011@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2012 8:50 am
> > > Subject: [TimeandJudgment_May212011] Q & A text
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear T & J,
> > >
> > > Below Q & A from Delco Fellowship:
> > >
> > > Question: In Esther 9:10, Haman's ten sons were slain in Shushan the
palace. Then in Esther 9:14, it says that they hanged Haman and his ten sons.
> > >
> > > Response: They hanged Haman's ten sons at that time, not Haman.
> > >
> > > This is significant. Haman who clearly represents Satan, had ten sons.
This is significant because if we look at Revelation 13, we find the beast that
comes up out of the sea. "The beast" is a name for Satan. It says in the middle
of Revelation 13:1:
> > >
> > > …having seven heads and ten horns…
> > >
> > > In Esther, we read that Haman had ten sons, and these sons would identify
with these ten horns.
> > >
> > > On May 21, Haman (or Satan) is put down. He is humiliated. He is brought
low and Christ is exalted. Haman is even killed, like we read in Isaiah 14.
Remember the language of Isaiah 14:7-10 where it says:
> > >
> > > The whole earth is at rest…
> > >
> > > We will tie this into Zechariah 1 later. Then it continues:
> > >
> > > …and is quiet: they break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees
rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no
feller is come up against us.
> > >
> > > This is referring to the king of Babylon or Satan. Then it continues:
> > >
> > > Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it
stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath
raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak
and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto
us?
> > >
> > > If you read Isaiah 14, it clearly reads as though Satan were slain. In a
way he was, but he continues to exist.
> > >
> > > This is why the ten sons are significant. This is really referring to
Satan himself, because the ten horns and the beast are one and the same. But as
for how God is viewing them, He gave the beast rule in the church. Then after
the end of the great tribulation, the beast is put down, his rule is taken away,
and yet Satan continues to exist as he does now and will until the very last
day.
> > >
> > > Also compare what happened with Babylon at the end of 70 years. King
Cyrus, who is a type of Christ, came and took Babylon. Where was the king of
Babylon at that time? He was at a banquet of wine. Do you remember that? Just
like when Haman meets his fate at a banquet of wine, the king of Babylon at the
end of 70 years is at a banquet of wine and he is slain that very night.
> > >
> > > God is confirming this. Yes; Satan lost all power but he exists, and this
is because God has another plan. May 21 was not the physical destruction or the
end in that sense, but it was Judgment Day. Now the plan is to try the faith
over a period of time of all those who said that they were believers, because
they are going to misunderstand or not fully comprehend what happened on May 21.
October 21 is like another blow to them, and yet it is right on course.
> > >
> > > Haman dies, and yet there is no mention of October 21 in the book of
Esther. Then there is a set time path that is straight from May 21 to the Feast
of Purim. And what is the Feast of Purim? It is a time when the Jews avenge
themselves of their enemies and then enter into rest. This is exactly parallel
to the Jews who destroyed their enemies in the land of Canaan and then rested
afterwards and stood in their lot, because the land was given to them by lot.
> > >
> > > So we have this match with the Feast of Purim. You kill your enemies, you
then rest, and then you stand in your lot, like God said to Daniel, "at the end
of the days."
> > >
> >
>