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Miae_d has been ban for spam.  Their first message was spam.

ken

Some nice pictures to see over the weekend :
elongated yurts in the UK :
more EU companies start offering them ,
you can start with a small 12 or 14ft yurt ,
and you adapt the yurt or lett the yurt grow to your needs,
in a cheap and efficient way , see the " langue de chat " system
http://sites.google.com/site/cheltenhamyurthire/weddings
http://sites.google.com/site/cheltenhamyurthire/Home

possible variations are endless,
one advantage , you can start on a small budget
also the floorplan may be easyer on certain land.

Keep on dreaming !

Old Ben

Google for :wooden mast construction
over a million responses , over 250000 nice photos
all there for you to choose the best option
for what you care to build, with the wood available .
good old resorcinol glue is a perfect alternative
to epoxy I personaly don't like to work with.

you can build exactly to all inspectors requirements,
the best and simplest , is to tell them nothing if asked nothing
enjoy the pics

Old Ben

--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, "Chris F"
<instructorhasgonedigital@...> wrote:
>
> The Christmas tree post got me thinking.
>
> If someone takes a green tree sutable lenght for a long pole (some uses and
species of wood that can be as much as the top 1/3 of the lenght is too thin for
use) finished, cuts it down lets it dry with the bark on for a while strips the
bark and after awhile it splits.
>
> Is there something that could be poured into the split that would repair the
split to the point that the wood would be considered a whole perfict pole?  It
would need to be about as flexing as the tree wood, too keep it from shattering
inside the filled cavity.
>
> And now for the dreadded bonus round:
> It would have to be something that inspectors would not have a problem
accepting?  If were going to plan we might as well plan to head off any "You
can't do that in my county, so long as I'm inspector."
>
> At a minium it should be something that with a little checking by an engineer
or higher authority than the inspector the documentation on the process keeps
you from having to replace perfictly good poles.
>
> Now before anyone gose I'm against Green.  Consider this
> A: We are so far just discussing things nothing has acutally been altered,
dammaged, contaminated, etc..
> B:  The out come of this possible research is that wood that is 89% usable
becomes 100% usable.  Currently the option would be cut off the good parts and
chip up the rest. Wood stove for those of us who don't have a chip mill.
> C: Perfict poles are expecive!!! and at any moment could check, crack, etc...
Why pay for perfict wood and find that cold, heat, time, and stresses reliece a
fault into a check/split?
> D: Home havested wood has a ratio of needed to be discarded because of
checking if we could cut that ratio down by adding a repair material then the
amount of trees that need to be cut and the using a draw knife etc.. comes way
down.
> E: Designing on green wood includes the wood checks and you overbuilt so much
that it's OK.  An air dried wood that has no faults/faults removed would be on
another strenght to weight ratio and could be thined to save weight a littl more
than a wood that is expected to at any moment check, or did check in the drying
process.
>

The Christmas tree post got me thinking.

If someone takes a green tree sutable lenght for a long pole (some uses and
species of wood that can be as much as the top 1/3 of the lenght is too thin for
use) finished, cuts it down lets it dry with the bark on for a while strips the
bark and after awhile it splits.

Is there something that could be poured into the split that would repair the
split to the point that the wood would be considered a whole perfict pole?  It
would need to be about as flexing as the tree wood, too keep it from shattering
inside the filled cavity.

And now for the dreadded bonus round:
It would have to be something that inspectors would not have a problem
accepting?  If were going to plan we might as well plan to head off any "You
can't do that in my county, so long as I'm inspector."

At a minium it should be something that with a little checking by an engineer or
higher authority than the inspector the documentation on the process keeps you
from having to replace perfictly good poles.

Now before anyone gose I'm against Green.  Consider this
A: We are so far just discussing things nothing has acutally been altered,
dammaged, contaminated, etc..
B:  The out come of this possible research is that wood that is 89% usable
becomes 100% usable.  Currently the option would be cut off the good parts and
chip up the rest. Wood stove for those of us who don't have a chip mill.
C: Perfict poles are expecive!!! and at any moment could check, crack, etc...
Why pay for perfict wood and find that cold, heat, time, and stresses reliece a
fault into a check/split?
D: Home havested wood has a ratio of needed to be discarded because of checking
if we could cut that ratio down by adding a repair material then the amount of
trees that need to be cut and the using a draw knife etc.. comes way down.
E: Designing on green wood includes the wood checks and you overbuilt so much
that it's OK.  An air dried wood that has no faults/faults removed would be on
another strenght to weight ratio and could be thined to save weight a littl more
than a wood that is expected to at any moment check, or did check in the drying
process.

Just as I thought.  Someone out there with more knowledge than I!!  Thanks for
the answers.  Everything you mentioned, I had not considered, most specifically,
the sap issue.  As for what is a Christmas tree, I usually think spruce, fir, or
pine.  But no matter, the fall offs idea is a good one.  Not to mention that I
could just take the chain saw up into the forest and hack down some standing
dead.  I'm going for a more traditional ger with no intent on leaving it up
during the winter, so snow loading is not an issue.  Great info, saved me a bit
of work...although, I'll still probably experiment a bit.  Thanks for the
answer, sorry if I seemed a bit impatient.

--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth" <whitephoenix_69@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Ok, here is an answer.
>
> What is a Christmas Tree?  Is it scott pine, yellow pine, white pine, fir,
etc, etc, etc, etc.  Each has it's plus or minus. and the avg log  would be
around 5 feet.  Good for a traditional yurt or a camping yurt but not a modern 4
season one.
>
> Once you strip the branches how much use-able wood would you really have left
over?  Then there is the sap and waiting for the wood to air dry.  How much will
split?
>
> If one wants to keep it on the cheap and re-cycle at the same time go to a
lumber yard and get their fall-offs.  This is what is pitched as a log is going
threw the mill.  My dad buys this stuff for $50.00 a truck load.
>
> It avg about about an inch thick and from 6 to 12 inches wide.  I know of a
guy that did his floor and the walls of the yurt in OAK by doing this.  Took him
2 months of woodworking to get it all use-able for his yurt but was worth it.
> --- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, "neworleansflyer" <lacroixmagic1@>
wrote:
> >
> > OK, so, I posted about this and heard nothing of the perils of slicing your
fingers off with a spoke shave trying to make this work.  Has anyone had any
experience with recycled Christmas trees??  Good idea, bad idea??
> >
>

Ok, here is an answer.

What is a Christmas Tree?  Is it scott pine, yellow pine, white pine, fir, etc,
etc, etc, etc.  Each has it's plus or minus. and the avg log  would be around 5
feet.  Good for a traditional yurt or a camping yurt but not a modern 4 season
one.

Once you strip the branches how much use-able wood would you really have left
over?  Then there is the sap and waiting for the wood to air dry.  How much will
split?

If one wants to keep it on the cheap and re-cycle at the same time go to a
lumber yard and get their fall-offs.  This is what is pitched as a log is going
threw the mill.  My dad buys this stuff for $50.00 a truck load.

It avg about about an inch thick and from 6 to 12 inches wide.  I know of a guy
that did his floor and the walls of the yurt in OAK by doing this.  Took him 2
months of woodworking to get it all use-able for his yurt but was worth it.
--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, "neworleansflyer" <lacroixmagic1@...>
wrote:
>
> OK, so, I posted about this and heard nothing of the perils of slicing your
fingers off with a spoke shave trying to make this work.  Has anyone had any
experience with recycled Christmas trees??  Good idea, bad idea??
>

OK, so, I posted about this and heard nothing of the perils of slicing your
fingers off with a spoke shave trying to make this work.  Has anyone had any
experience with recycled Christmas trees??  Good idea, bad idea??

Fine to see you back Guru ,
hoping you like all pics I posted ,
your special mail offer came in perfectly
sure interesting for any EU buyers

Take care
Old Ben

--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, "Gandanguru" <gandanguru@...> wrote:
>
> I think I know what pic you are referring to, a traditional yurt-maker,
somewhere in Kazakhstan or Kirgizstan.
> Judging from the size, Kazachstan seems more likely to me.
> The Kazakhs use much bigger crowns that the Kirgiz.
> One inch thickness, five inches wide, that kind of dimensions.
> soaking wet/green wood, and cow-dung fires, steaming in a 'standing oven',
which is basically the chimney of a half-underground tunnel-fire.
> Cool/hot stuff!
> I go back to lookig at the snow-covered peaks.
>
>
>
> --- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, Yaacov Levi <jlevi_us@> wrote:
> >
> > I've seen both of them, the folks in England were bending lighter wood, the
guy in Nova Scotia was bending some serious pcs of Ash.  For the bigger tono I
think easier for one person to make it from a number of pcs.
> >  
> > Jake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Good pics on their site, but not the one I recall. As Ben said though, there
are quite a few good sites and videos available, I just wanted another look at
people actually bending tonos. I'll keep looking, but in the mean time, I'm
getting set up to just go fer it.
> >
> > --- In The_Yurt_Community@ yahoogroups. com, Yaacov Levi <jlevi_us@ .>
wrote:
> > >
> > > It might be the web site of the folks in Nova Scotia, I have seen it too,
dont remember where.
> > > jake
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IIRC, I've seen a series of pictures of people bending a tono into shape
around an old steel wheel frame. I can't remember the web site. Can someone
stear me in the right direction. Thanks
> > >
> >
>

I think I know what pic you are referring to, a traditional yurt-maker,
somewhere in Kazakhstan or Kirgizstan.
Judging from the size, Kazachstan seems more likely to me.
The Kazakhs use much bigger crowns that the Kirgiz.
One inch thickness, five inches wide, that kind of dimensions.
soaking wet/green wood, and cow-dung fires, steaming in a 'standing oven', which
is basically the chimney of a half-underground tunnel-fire.
Cool/hot stuff!
I go back to lookig at the snow-covered peaks.



--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, Yaacov Levi <jlevi_us@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen both of them, the folks in England were bending lighter wood, the
guy in Nova Scotia was bending some serious pcs of Ash.  For the bigger tono I
think easier for one person to make it from a number of pcs.
>  
> Jake
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Good pics on their site, but not the one I recall. As Ben said though, there
are quite a few good sites and videos available, I just wanted another look at
people actually bending tonos. I'll keep looking, but in the mean time, I'm
getting set up to just go fer it.
>
> --- In The_Yurt_Community@ yahoogroups. com, Yaacov Levi <jlevi_us@ .> wrote:
> >
> > It might be the web site of the folks in Nova Scotia, I have seen it too,
dont remember where.
> > jake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > IIRC, I've seen a series of pictures of people bending a tono into shape
around an old steel wheel frame. I can't remember the web site. Can someone
stear me in the right direction. Thanks
> >
>

Thanks for the stand on spam in the Yurt Group. It was exactly right.

I really appreciated being introduced to The Homesteader Newsletter and am
interested in all that goes along with self-sufficiency.

But when it comes to cell phones and cell phone plans, they are a dime a dozen
and aren't really a "yurt topic" at all. For that matter, hopefully those of us
who want to will be able to get far enough off the grid to escape cell phone
tower coverage completely (grin).

Keeping the posts relevant to yurts and self-sufficiency benefits all of us
(well, all except those who would like to peddle a non-relevant item) and keeps
the integrity of the intent.

Best wishes and thanks,
"Sharing" (Sharing Guidance)

I think Kenn took a good decision , cause I think
"Homesteader News December issue is now online!"
is Yurt related .

Certainly Yurt related are :
Yurt Jokes :-)
Keep it clean cause Kids may lurk !
See Borat's Yurt in the NEW PHOTO ALBUM
I saw the movie , crazy & fun.

Why complain ? Be positive and post a Yurt Joke ,
I posted 1 for now...if everybody post a funny one
we may find a good one to send to Yurthing friends
the Holiday season in coming soon.

Lett's keep the Group interesting and fun!

Looking forward to better ideas :-)

Have a nice weekend All

Old Ben

--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth <whitephoenix_69@...> wrote:
>
> Ok, got an email asking why I can ban a person for spamming on this topic and
not on others.  Well first reason is I can, my call. It's not a power trip or
anything like that, I was voted into the job, so I am going to do it right.
> Then the same person goes well you let "Homesteader News December issue is now
online! let" go to everyone isn't that spamming? Isn't it unfair to permit one
and not the other?
> Yes and no, The Homesteader news has a direct link to those who might wish
information homesteading that might want to use a yurt for the homestead.  See
the connection?
> Same as when we let the information about solar and wind power stay posted.
 It was something that we get a lot of questions about and a direct way for
those people to get said information.
> IN both cases it was something that could be used for yurts or yurt living.
 ADS about cell phones or cars or goverment bids or cockfights, etc etc etc do
not have a direct link to yurts or yurt living.  So they are banned.
> Who has a says what is banned and what is not, well based on what my
understand of the what the groups wishes are, I do or another mod that so wishes
to.  We are now a family of over 650 members and growing.  ONE of the reasons
for our growth is the word got out that we where a great place for information
and another was the word got out little to no spam.  
> Now for the record there are less than 12 people on the spam list, 12 in over
650 members and over 4000 messages.  That is NOT a bad record.
> So those who think banning a guy for spamming 650 plus people about something
stupid and 99% don't give a rat tail about, please let me hear your logic on
it. 
> ken
>
> --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Kenneth <whitephoenix_69@...> wrote:
>
> From: Kenneth <whitephoenix_69@...>
> Subject: [The_Yurt_Community] ban for spam
> To: The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 12:54 PM
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to time something to go into open post, say solar power stuff, IT MUST I REPEAT
IT MUST have something to with yurts or yurt living.
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> IF YOU post something like "special offer on cell phone" it will be removed
and you will be banned.
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damn how many times does this message have to be deleted.  My bad I missed it.

Message deleted and YOU know what I did to J_jenna for posting it :)

ken

--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, "neworleansflyer" <lacroixmagic1@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry, Jake is Yacov from Israel.  Your message indicates his userid is now
banned.  No problem, but what about the sender of Message 4204??  Spam?  Just
curious?
>

Sorry, Jake is Yacov from Israel.  Your message indicates his userid is now
banned.  No problem, but what about the sender of Message 4204??  Spam?  Just
curious?

Jake's banning wouldn't have anything to do with a post by this person 2 days
ago would it??  And if not, is this person being banned also?  Just curious, not
questioning.  Thanks

Jlevi_US has been ban for spamming site.  Though we do permit from time to time
something to go into open post, say solar power stuff, IT MUST I REPEAT IT MUST
have something to with yurts or yurt living.

IF YOU post something like "special offer on cell phone" it will be removed and
you will be banned.

IF you are not sure if its spam or not, email me off-group and ask.

This group is for YURTS AND YURT LIVING, nothing more.

Thanks Ben.  Your input is most appreciated.  Yes, I could laminate.  I could
use marine ply.  I could use baltic birch ply.  But there is something sweet
about the look of a single piece of wood bent into a circle.  As you pointed
out, lots of "right" ways.  I learned a long time ago that when the dust clears,
lots of top shelf solutions to the same problem.  Ask early aviators.  For me,
every step in making my first ger and now starting my second has been a learning
experience.  I like that.  Reading everyone's thoughts on this forum is also a
joy.  Lots of good ideas.  I can see the reasoning behind why folks in the NW US
build using waterproof materials.  And, I can see why the Mongolian people used
cotton.  I can see why people use different types of wood, why some use
dimensional lumber, while others use coppiced trees.  It is all like a great
journey. From the Latin: "de gustibus non est disputandum" I'd love to hear from
others on why they choose they methods they use as well.
Regards

Nice pics , telling you only part of the options.
A laminated ring will allways be stronger and work less ;
cause wood works; a wooden laminated ring will behave like
marine exterior top quality plywood , meaning
it will not work , be stronger and :-) easyer to build.

I dont like working with epoxy for many reasons.
Fairey a Military boatbuilder in the UK was one of the first
to laminate with good old resorcinol glue , so I do the same.

So my advice ... test it the easy way :
trye it on a small sample and put it under water ,
worse , put it in a tidal invironment you can create or immitate
meaning in and out of water so it suffers much more.

UV will deteriorate epoxy protection.
wanne keep the wood look .... enough layers of old varnish
wanne keep it simple....good paint , end of story.

You can simple staple the thin layers , just take out the
staples from the last passage so you dont see them , simple.

I have a lot of staples in my own body !!
The are holding firm or I would die immediatly :-)

Everybody is free to do as he likes most.
The worst you can do ...hehehe ...
is to listen to self appointed specialist or
false prophets claming the know 'the truth'
If you want the 'the truth' haha become a member in a sect :-)

All other normal gents know all medals have 2 sides.
Or one is part of the solution ,
or one is part of the problem........

Wishing fine wood bending results to all ,
willing to give a hand anytime

Old Ben

--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, "neworleansflyer" <lacroixmagic1@...>
wrote:
>
> Take a look...
>
> http://pikea.org/yurt/yurt_course_sept09/index.html
>

I'm trying to make my current yurt out of as much recycled material as I can and
just today I came upon an idea for a source of recycled roof poles of the more
natural variety.  Christmas time in the US means hacking down lots of pine,
spruce and fir trees to temporarily adorn our homes.  Why a wholesale
destruction of forested trees has become such a tradition is beyond me,
especially at $20-$100 a tree!  I realize that this is a business and these
trees are actually grown for the purpose, but no matter.  Most communities have
a Christmas tree drop after the holiday, where everyone is encouraged to drop
their trees instead of just throwing them out with the other trash and into the
landfill.  May I suggest that if any DIYers are looking for a great source for
tono poles, they can find the drop off point, bring a small saw or coppicing
cutter and "harvest" as many poles as they choose.  I realize that the majority
of the trees will be too short, but there should be plenty of trees adequate for
small yurt roofs.  If not for roofs, perhaps other uses for these trees might be
suggested.  Just a thought...

Take a look...

http://pikea.org/yurt/yurt_course_sept09/index.html

Good pics on their site, but not the one I recall.  As Ben said though, there
are quite a few good sites and videos available, I just wanted another look at
people actually bending tonos.  I'll keep looking, but in the mean time, I'm
getting set up to just go fer it.

--- In The_Yurt_Community@yahoogroups.com, Yaacov Levi <jlevi_us@...> wrote:
>
> It might be the web site of the folks in Nova Scotia, I have seen it too, dont
remember where.
> jake
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> IIRC, I've seen a series of pictures of people bending a tono into shape
around an old steel wheel frame. I can't remember the web site. Can someone
stear me in the right direction. Thanks
>