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From: Tom Fox

To: The_Peace_of_God@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:11 PM

Subject: [The_Peace_of_God] Are you Christian?

Jed: Are you a Christian? I know it don't matter either way, but I'm just curious as to who feels they are and not. I for one feel I am a Christian. I Don't believe what most organised religions say about Jesus or Christ. However, I do feel Jesus that Jesus has set the record straight with the course. I consider it the Gospel of Jesus. For it is truly good new! Is it not? . . . .  (read more) Are you Christian? http://miraclescourse.blogspot.com/2009/12/are-you-christian.html Peace, Tom Fox Louisville, Kentucky http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Fox/732300929   Hi Tom,   Synchronistically, I had a pleasant joining (with obstacles) today with a 'born again'.   He’s been on our show.ClickerSLR: Hi Om... ClickerSLR: So, what does Contemporary Gospel mean? OmSan1320: Hi, its Maz Martin Weber-Caspers, Flevoland. ClickerSLR: Hi Maz.  I'm Michaela OmSan1320: It means that the author of ACIM identifies himself as Jesus. He clarifies and correct 2 thousand years of upside down teachings. OmSan1320: He gave the Course through inner dictation, great chunks in Iambic Pentameter OmSan1320: Which is unworldy on the level of form, as well. ClickerSLR: Oh ok.  I can see this isn't the room for me, Om.  But thanks for giving me a moment of your time to explain it. ClickerSLR: Take care... OmSan1320: No problem ClickerSLR: Cheers... OmSan1320: Look for yourself. OmSan1320: Peace! OmSan1320: BTW its NOT religious! ClickerSLR: Thanks.....it's living in me.  Ok...that's no problem.  OmSan1320: Good OmSan1320: You may want to check out Ekkart Tolle or Marianne Williamson (Oprah's channels) for sharing ACIM OmSan1320: "Perrenial Philosophy" ClickerSLR: Oh...Ok.  I've heard a little about Williamson.  I don't ascribe to her thoughts.  But thanks.  It might help you understand where I'm coming from if I mention I'm a born again Christian, and I believe the bible in its original text to be the supernaturally inspired word of God.  OmSan1320: God Bless us all. Jesus is Savior to all. OmSan1320: The Kingdom of Heaven is within. ClickerSLR: Not in the way you believe.  But that's cool...thanks for your time.  ClickerSLR: Bye now.. OmSan1320: God's Plan of Salvation offers many paths, and cannot fail. OmSan1320: bye, take care. ClickerSLR: The bible says there is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ. OmSan1320: Yes, that's correct. I believe that. ClickerSLR: That's good.  Who do you say Christ is? OmSan1320: "I and the Father are One" OmSan1320: Christ is God's Son ClickerSLR: And you?  Who are you? OmSan1320: We are all part of Christ, God's eternal children, equal and saved. ClickerSLR: All are saved? OmSan1320: I am a Child of God, like Jesus and yourself. ClickerSLR: You believe all are saved? OmSan1320: Yes, God is Just. ClickerSLR: Oh...ok.  So you believe you are equal with Jesus? OmSan1320: No, Jesus is CHRIST realized, I am on my way OmSan1320: He helps me. OmSan1320: He protects me OmSan1320: He teaches me OmSan1320: He is the Leader of the Atonement and of the Sonship. OmSan1320: He is the first complete witness to God. ClickerSLR: Oh....ok, so do you believe that you are corrupt in nature, sinful, and in need of Christs work on the cross to be saved?  Do you believe in repentance? OmSan1320: Yes. I believe that all sin is an error, and that all of God's Creations are sinless. The world teaches the opposite, that sin is real. I listen to God's Voice, not the world. OmSan1320: The Bible says that Adam fell asleep, and nowhere does the bible mention his awakening. OmSan1320: But the Atonement restores every Soul to its truthful inheritance, to the Glory of God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is leader of the Atonement. That's my faith and experience. And I thank Jesus, as I thank you. ClickerSLR: The 'world' believes they are good enough to enter heaven.  The 'world' doesn't believe Christ is in fact God himself.  The 'world' doesn't see its need for repentance.  True Christians believe the opposite of the world.  We believe what God says....that there are none who do good, and none who seek after God.  We believe that man needs a saviour, and Jesus Christ is that person; that all things we see were created through jesus Christ, that Christ is not a created being, but like God the Father, has always been... ClickerSLR: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.  John 3:16... OmSan1320: Jesus showed himself to me and my wife. He lives and teaches salvation, and freedom from sin and error. Theology can not split humanity since Jesus joins all. OmSan1320: There are so many wars based on interpretation. OmSan1320: Peace is God's Will for us. ClickerSLR: Really?  Yet he said 'I have not come to bring peace' OmSan1320: The sword of Divine Wisdom IS the Atonement. A weapon that can NEVER be used to attack. OmSan1320: After we saw Jesus Face in the Clouds in 1991, and read the prophesies in the Bible, we learned from him. We invited him into our lives, and he came. ClickerSLR: If you believe that Jesus Christ actually showed Himself to you, then there's nothing I can say to you that you will listen to.  But I pray that God would remove the scales from your eyes, as He has done for me and millions of others, and I pray that Satan's deception will release its hold over you and your lovely wife.  You are being severly deceived, as I was, and I truly pray for your eyes to be opened to the truth. OmSan1320: That's all that counts for me. A personal relationship with Jesus. ClickerSLR: That's correct.  A personal relationship with Him, but the Jesus you say you know, I know nothing of and the bible does not speak of... OmSan1320: You are very kind. Read the prophesies, his 2nd coming will be announced in the clouds. ClickerSLR: No argument there.... OmSan1320: Its in the Bible, and I trust I am not deceived. He works many miracles in our lives. OmSan1320: He heals and restores. ClickerSLR: He does indeed....he shows mercy to whom he will show mercy... OmSan1320: He is available in the Holy Spirit for eveyone who asks. ClickerSLR: But I'm sorry friend, you don't him. OmSan1320: you don't what? ClickerSLR: Oh...lol typo.  You don't know Him. OmSan1320: Aaah, and how do YOU know that? ClickerSLR: Because the doctrine you speak of is not biblical.  And the bible is the inspired word of God.  If it doesn't match up with His description, then it just ain't true. OmSan1320: 'I will never forsake you or leave you comfortless' is his promise, and he keeps it. ClickerSLR: Yes, but He is speaking to those who are saved by grace, through Jesus Christ. ClickerSLR: He is not speaking to everyone. OmSan1320: And you think you know I am not saved by grace because I have a non-biblical doctrine? Are you a judge about my salvation? ClickerSLR: Not me friend, but the holy word of God is your judge. OmSan1320: I have no doctrine except my Love and Faith for God and Jesus ClickerSLR: I didn't write the contents....God did... ClickerSLR: Well, we can believe what we want, but it is useless if it is not the truth. OmSan1320: Well, i don't think its kind to tell me that I lie and am deceived. OmSan1320: The Truth is of God, not of man. OmSan1320: No man should judge a brother's salvation. OmSan1320: Or faith ClickerSLR: You don't think it's kind to try to warn someone of the desperate state they are in, to try to steer them on the right path? OmSan1320: Desperate? LOL What do you know about the Miracles that Jesus works in my Life? OmSan1320: How can you judge me as deceived? OmSan1320: Is your Bible telling you to do that? OmSan1320: I don't think so. ClickerSLR: Because of the words that are coming from your mouth. ClickerSLR: My bible tells me to share the Gospel, and that's what I'm doing. OmSan1320: I am not judging you for your belief. ClickerSLR: Your salvation is God's business, I am only saying that what you are saying doesn't line up with the Word of God, and that is my guide. OmSan1320: I am a brother and I don't understand why you would see me desparate and deceived. ClickerSLR: I know you're not.  And I'm not judging you, merely seeking to share the truth with you. OmSan1320: That is appreciated. OmSan1320: Thank you. ClickerSLR: Om......if you knew that 2 and 2 makes 4, and your life depended on knowing that.....but your wife said it really made 5.....wouldn't you try to persuade her otherwise? OmSan1320: I know that sometimes 1+1=3, so I will always ask Jesus if something is true or not. ClickerSLR: In the same way you are sharing your understanding with me, I am sharing what I believe is truth with you... OmSan1320: My wife does the same. ClickerSLR: lol ClickerSLR:  1 and 1 = 3? OmSan1320: Yes. OmSan1320: How? OmSan1320: See, we are judging too quick sometimes.... ClickerSLR: So you're saying there are no absolutes, and that God's word is incorrect? OmSan1320: Take the color Yello (1) and the Color Blue (1) and mix them at the edge: What do you see? 3 colors, Blue, Yellow and Green. OmSan1320: It all depends on the level OmSan1320: No OmSan1320: I am not saying this. ClickerSLR: Absolutely.....but the third colour does not take away from the truth of the other two.  they are still yellow and Blue OmSan1320: Yes, but in this case 1+1=3. That's all... ClickerSLR: I mean, I don't even understand that example... OmSan1320: OK, it was shown to me as an example ClickerSLR: but 1 + 1 never equals 3.... ClickerSLR: Oh, ok. OmSan1320: Mathematically you are right. ClickerSLR: Do you own a bible, Om? OmSan1320: But not everything is Mathematic OmSan1320: Yes I own a bible, Clicker, and I love it. ClickerSLR: True...but it was an analogy of the truth.... OmSan1320: Jesus promised to return. He did return. ClickerSLR: Can I ask what type of bible it is? OmSan1320: That is my witnessing to Him. ClickerSLR: He has not returned. OmSan1320: Says Who? You? ClickerSLR: And he has not returned because when He does EVERY eye shall see.......has EVERY eye seen the return of Christ?  Obviously not. ClickerSLR: No, the bible says it. OmSan1320: The Bible says he is not returned? Where? I know what Jesus does and I know his Presence. OmSan1320: I believe him. OmSan1320: I trust him OmSan1320: I love him OmSan1320: and I know him. ClickerSLR: Well then, I guess the bible is wrong when it says 'Every eye shall see' OmSan1320: Not at all. ClickerSLR: You love, believe and trust in something, but it is not the Jesus Christ of the bible.... OmSan1320: You see, there is a plan of salvation, and it is of God. OmSan1320: Yes it is him. OmSan1320: You are judging again. Why? ClickerSLR: There is a plan of savation.  You are right.  that plan was completed on the cross of Calvary, through the death and then the resurrection of Christ. OmSan1320: Because you read the Bible differently than I ? OmSan1320: I agree. Amen ClickerSLR: I am not judging, the Word judges you.  I'm just telling you the Christ you speak of is not mentioned in the Word... OmSan1320: See, I have no conflict with your faith. You are attacking mine. Why? OmSan1320: Yes he is. Sorry, but you cannot judge that for me. ClickerSLR: Because it is wrong, and why wouldn't I want to point you to the truth if it was better for you? OmSan1320: Clicker, my friends are all over the world. I study and commune with professors and other very educated people of good faith, and of all faiths. If you want to correct me, go ahead. I think you have a good heart. But you judge too much, me thinketh OmSan1320: What are your credentials? ClickerSLR: There are many educated people in the world Om, and many of them disagree with one another.  Education doesn't guarantee having the right answers.  My credentials?  The Holy Spirit dwelling within me.  YOu see, the natural man can not understand the things of the Spirit (reading the bible) but the Spiritual man understands all things. OmSan1320: So you think you understand my Savior Jesus is different from your Savior Jesus. Bummer. ClickerSLR: Yep. OmSan1320: If this is what the Holy Spirit tells you, well,.... i'm stunned. ClickerSLR: Well, I guess we will see at the end of time.  But I hope by then you will be saved. ClickerSLR: There you go. OmSan1320: You see me as unsaved. You rproblem. I see you as saved. I like that better. ClickerSLR: So truth is defined by if it sits well in your heart? ClickerSLR: If it makes you feel good? OmSan1320: The fruits are all that counts. No man can judge another man's faith. Jesus has not taught thus, and still doesn't. OmSan1320: My Journey with Him and God is not about feeling good. OmSan1320: It is about Salvation for the World. OmSan1320: And every living Being in it, and beyond. OmSan1320: Its the only game in town. ClickerSLR: You're right...the fruits are what counts.  And your fruit is that you don't believe you need saving from your sins.....the central doctrine of scripture... OmSan1320: And no one will be left out. That's God's Promise. ClickerSLR: Well, believing that would make you feel good, for sure. ClickerSLR: Where? OmSan1320: That's not what I said. You interpret my words, that's all. ClickerSLR: Where does God promise that Every man, woman and child on the planet will be saved? OmSan1320: He Promises and Keeps His Word Through the Living Jesus Christ. ClickerSLR: I wasn't saying that's what you were saying, about feeling good.  I was saying believeing that would surely make one feel good. OmSan1320: Oh sure. OmSan1320: I feel very good. ClickerSLR: Please point out in scripture where it says every man will be saved. OmSan1320: And I don't judge anyone for his faith or belief or his preferences. ClickerSLR: Well, that's nice, but can you please answer my question? OmSan1320: Which scripture? yours or mine lol? ClickerSLR: Yours...go ahead. OmSan1320: "I have overcome the world" OmSan1320: "It is done" OmSan1320: The Kingdom of Heaven is Within." ClickerSLR: lol, so those two sentences mean that Gos will save every man, woman and child?  A bit of a stretch, don't you think?  Can't you find anything a little clearer? ClickerSLR: Luk 13:3  "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. OmSan1320: Well, first of all, all I say is "deceived"and "unsaved" in your understanding. OmSan1320: Who tells you I didn't repent? OmSan1320: Who tells you I am sinful and condemned? ClickerSLR: But the Word isn't...so if you can show me scripture that says what you state, then I'll believe it! OmSan1320: Jesus overcame death, and the world, for all of us. ClickerSLR: But how can you repent if you neither understand why you need to, nor believe it?  You must repent from your sins, but as I understand it you don't believe in Sin.  therefore, how can you repent? OmSan1320: He promised that we will do what he has done, even bigger. OmSan1320: You know those teachings from the NT OmSan1320: I'm not a quote producer, sorry, but I can find it for you ClickerSLR: Absolutely, but they have nothing to do with what you're saying... ClickerSLR: Well then my friend, what can I say?  You don't believe you are sinful, therefore you can't rightly repent as the bible teaches. OmSan1320: I didn't say I don't believe in sin. I saiy God did not create sin, so it cannot be real. That is proven by the resurrection. OmSan1320: I believe I was in error. SIN means "off the mark" OmSan1320: There is either LOVE or lack of Love. But its not an eternal condition, imho. ClickerSLR: How is that proven by the resurrection? OmSan1320: The Resurrection proved that an attack on God's Son has NO EFFECTs. OmSan1320: What has no effect is no Cause. OmSan1320: Attack, Guilt, Sin and Death are overcome by Jesus. ClickerSLR: Wow, that's some interesting thinking there, Om.... OmSan1320: Who only LOVES and GUIDES as our Father Wills. ClickerSLR: Sin is totally overcome through Christ....and is freely given to those who repent.  You don't believe in sin, therefore you cannot repent of what it is God asks us to repent of. OmSan1320: My friend. ClickerSLR: Yup? OmSan1320: All I said is that sin is error, and error cvan be corrected. If sin was real, it could never be corrected. But we are saying the same thing, only different wording. ClickerSLR: If sin wasn't real, why would God say 'The wages of sin are death' and 'repent of your sins'...why would there be a need to repent if sin was no problem? ClickerSLR: No we're not saying the same thing.  I am saying sin is real, you are saying it isn't. ClickerSLR: They are polar opposites. ClickerSLR: They ae polar opposite opinions, I mean.l OmSan1320: "Sin"is the idea of separation from God. God never let this happen, he saved us from the error of thinking we could leave him and follow Satan. OmSan1320: Sure. "Th wages of BELIEF in sin is Death"is what I hear OmSan1320: If I believe in separation from God, I am dead. ClickerSLR: Sin is stealing, lieing, hating, using God's name wrongly, unbelief, adultery, etc, etc, etc... OmSan1320: If I believe God has created Sin, I am deceived. ClickerSLR: They are real issues....real sins... OmSan1320: God did not create evil. OmSan1320: So it does not exist, except in dreams of an alien Will unlike His. OmSan1320: Well, yes, real mistakes, real errors, yes. But did God create them? ClickerSLR: God created man, who is corrupt in nature, evil in nature.  God does not cause any man to sin, man sins quite well on his own.... OmSan1320: Can they be real if God did not Create them? ClickerSLR: lol ClickerSLR: well, thta depends.  Do you have house insurance, car insurance? OmSan1320: Think about it. Yes man is work in progress and has left God to go astray OmSan1320: But through the resurrection, all sin is corrected and salvation is accomplished ClickerSLR: I guess if you do, it's because it's real enough if someone comes and steals your tv that you have to have insurance to get another one....lol