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#23328 From: "Clifton" <kol84b@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:14 am
Subject: Back country permits
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Grand Canyon National Park
Operational Changes to Backcountry Permitting Procedures Planned at Grand Canyon
National Park






Date: November 20, 2009
Contact: Shannan Marcak, 928-638-7958

Grand Canyon, Ariz. – The National Park Service (NPS) will be making operational
changes to the backcountry permitting system and placing a moratorium on the
number of commercial use authorizations (CUAs) issued for guided backpacking
services in Grand Canyon National Park.   These changes will not affect overall
levels of backcountry use or the number of backcountry permits issued by the
park's Backcountry Information Center (BIC).

In order to camp anywhere in Grand Canyon National Park (other than the
developed campgrounds located on the North and South Rims), a permit must be
obtained from the park's BIC.  These permits are most often obtained in advance
by submitting a request either in writing or in person.  Regardless of how they
are submitted, requests are currently accepted no earlier than the first day of
the month four months prior to the start date of the trip.

More...

http://www.nps.gov/grca/parknews/news_2009-11-20_procedure_change.htm

#23327 From: "Karen" <kgreig@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:51 pm
Subject: Saturday: Mike Anderson on GC Anthropology
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NOVEMBER 21 --
GRAND CANYON ANTHROPOLOGY, A History of Humans at Grand Canyon, Paleolithic to
the Present by Michael Anderson
12:00 to 2:00 at Community Center, Library Annex Building in Pine, Arizona. A
new Powerpoint presentation that Mike has put together since retirement, so no
one has seen it yet.

The location is easy to find. Just drive Hwy 87 north from the Phoenix valley or
south from Flagstaff (via Lake Mary Road, then Hwy 87) to the center of Pine.
The community center is signed and obvious. Folks can park off Hwy 87 or around
back next to the annex building. The center has four buildings; the annex is the
farthest west.
There are restaurants in Pine, and accommodations in Strawberry two miles north
of Pine.

#23326 From: "GcP" <garyclaytonpalmer@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:26 am
Subject: I'm back..
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Took almost a month off from the group. I am still here in Flagstaff working
part time at the Monte Vista Hotel downtown.
Did a day hike Sunday to Devils Natural Bridge near Sedona. And weekend before
last I hiked up to Agassiz Saddle in the San Francisco Peaks from the base of
the Snow Bowl chair lift.
The weather is currently cold and blowing winds, may snow at least up on the
peaks. We have had teo snowfalls one on Labor Day weekend the other around the
first of October, both only one the peaks.
Oh, I have my own yahoo group called Hiking_the_Grand_Canyon I just started this
morning. Come take a look see if you want. Nothing new posted and of course I
won't be hiking the canyon again till my 3 year explusion is over in April 2012.
But I have plenty of experience in the canyon after hiking there every
fall/winter and spring from 1983 to 2006. And I don't have many of my old 35mm
shots of the canyon left anymore.
Later... Gary

#23325 From: "GcP" <garyclaytonpalmer@...>
Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:18 am
Subject: Re: Questions About Upcoming South Kaibab - Bright Angel Loop Camping Trip in Nov.
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I also second the sdie trip to Horn Creek from IG. If you go down Horn creek to
where the east drainage comes into the main drainage and go up this, there is an
interesting huge rock that has rolled down into the canyon blocking the narrow
section it is in. There's a huge flat rock near this to sit and have a snack on
too.

--- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <landrysg@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks for your advice in planning this trip.  Joey and I are looking forward
to it.
>
> For my layover day at Indian Garden, I like the idea of hiking a section of
the Old Bright Angel Trail.  I haven't been "off trail" in previous hikes,
although I understand from other posts that this trail gets some use and so the
old trail is fairly visible and easy to follow.  I'll review more posts and some
of the photos I've found on this and other groups so that I'm better prepared
for this hike.
>
> Thanks again for your help,
>
> Steve
>
> --- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "billferris2003" <BillFerris@> wrote:
> >
> > I also like Skeleton Point as a rest stop on the South Kaibab. There's
reliable shade and great views. There are a couple of places in the Reds &
Whites--the switchbacking descent through the Redwall--where you could stop for
a break. There's even a sign in this section marking the halfway mileage along
the South Kaibab. My absolute favorite rest stop on the South Kaibab is "Big
Shady," about 1/10th mile below the Tip Off. There's reliable shade on a
midsummer day, although your late November itinerary won't leave you wanting for
shade.
> >
> > A day hike option from Phantom Ranch is to take the route at the north end
of the campground up to Utah Flats on the Tonto level west of Phantom. Burro
Spring is a nice hike from Indian Garden, although I prefer lunching at Pipe
Creek. The trail is well-traveled and easy to follow. Keep an eye open for ruins
in Pipe Creek canyon. They're visible from the west rim of Pipe Creek canyon.
> >
> > Another interesting day hike from IG is to take the Tonto trail west to Horn
Creek. Bring enough water for the round trip. You might also consider hiking a
section of the Old Bright Angel Trail. Take the Tonto trail east toward Pipe
Creek but, as the trail crests a ridge and turns east, keep an eye open for an
old trail on your left. This route will take you down through the major drainage
on your left, intersecting the modern Bright Angel trail near the top of the
Devil's Corkscrew.
> >
> > Bill Ferris
> > Flagstaff
> > http://www.gcadventure.com
> >
> > --- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen G. Landry, Ph.D."
<landrysg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, folks.
> > >
> > > I have some questions about a camping trip to Phantom Ranch and
> > > Indian Garden that I'm planning for late November.  I've done this
> > > loop before, but I'm going for longer this time than in the past,
> > > and I'd like to get all the details right this time.  My itinerary
> > > is two nights at PR (in the hiker dorms), two nights at BA
> > > Campground, and two nights at Indian Garden (I already have the
> > > necessary reservations and backcounry permit).
> > >
> > > In previous trips down the South Kaibab trail to PR, I've stopped for
> > > lunch under O'Neill Butte and at the top of Skeleton Point.  While
> > > the view from the top of Skeleton Point is great, it seems to me a
> > > little short of half way.  Is there a good place to stop a little
> > > further along the trail?  I remember the saddle where the switchbacks
> > > cross from the north side of the ridge to the east side, but I can't
> > > remember if there's a good place to sit for lunch around there.  Any
> > > suggestions regarding lunch stops around halfway to PR?  Or is the
> > > top of Skeleton Point the best place for lunch?
> > >
> > > On my layover days at PR I'm planning on day hikes to Ribbon Falls
> > > and the Phantom Ranch overlook on the Clear Creek trail.  Are there
> > > other suggestions as to places to visit around there?
> > >
> > > On the layover day at Indian Garden I'm planning a day hike along the
> > > Tonto Trail east to Burro Spring, or perhaps to the tipoff.  I've
> > > never been on the Tonto Trail before.  Is this a good day hike?
> > > Should I plan to hike out as far as the Tipoff?  Are there views of
> > > the Colorado before the Tipoff?  Are there any other suggestions
> > > regarding a day hike from Indian Garden?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions about this.
> > >
> > > Steve Landry
> > >
> >
>

#23324 From: windpa
Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 9:56 pm
Subject: Grand Canyon road trip
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My buddy and I took a 2000 mile road trip around the grand canyon. The link that
follows is a blog we maintained - Happy Travels !!


http://swroadtrip.wordpress.com/

#23323 From: RRFW_Riverwire@...
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:58 am
Subject: RRFW Riverwire -- Glen Canyon Dam Update
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RRFW Riverwire -- Glen Canyon Dam Update

November 10, 2009

 

Glen Canyon Dam / Lake Powell

 

The unregulated inflow volume into Lake Powell for October was 374,000 acre-feet ((80% of average). This was 26,000 acre-feet below what was forecasted at the beginning of the month. Consequently, the elevation of Lake Powell at the end of October was somewhat below what was projected in the October 24-month study. The end of October elevation of Lake Powell was 3633.52 feet above sea level. The October 24-month study projected the elevation would end October at 3634.06. So the initial conditions for the November 24-month study are reduced by about 0.5 feet from what was expected in the October 24-month study.

 

The updated forecast for the unregulated inflow volume to Lake Powell during November is now 430,000 acre-feet (92% of average).

 

Beginning on November 1, 2009, releases from Glen Canyon Dam will resume normal daily fluctuation consistent with the Glen Canyon Dam Operating Criteria (Federal Register, Volume 62, No. 41, March 3, 1997). The scheduled release volume for November is 690,000 acre-feet. Hourly releases during November will peak during daylight hours into the evening to approximately 13,500 cfs and decrease during early morning hours to approximately 7,500 cfs. Currently, it is projected that the release volume for December will be scheduled to be 855,000 acre-feet. At this volume, it is estimated that the hourly releases during December would peak during daylight hours to approximately 17,000 cfs and decrease during early morning hours to approximately 9,000 cfs. These estimated release rates will be updated towards the end of November.

 

As of October 1, 2009, the unregulated inflow to Lake Powell during water year 2010 is projected to have an 80% probability of being within the range between 4.7 maf and 16.5 maf. There is an estimated 10% probability that the water year 2010 unregulated inflow volume will be below 4.7 maf and there is also an estimated 10% probability that the water year 2010 unregulated inflow volume will be greater than 16.5 maf. 

 

Based on the range of probable inflow volumes and through implementation of the Interim Guidelines, there is approximately a 50% probability that Equalization will occur in 2010. The determination of whether or not Equalization will occur in 2010 will be based on the projected September 30 Lake Powell water surface elevations of the 2010 April 24-Month Study. If Equalization does occur in 2010, the water year release volume is projected to be approximately 10.7 maf.  If however, Equalization does not occur in 2010 (50% probability), the water year release volume could be as low as 8.23 maf.  Each month these forecasted probabilities will be updated as hydrologic conditions change in the Upper Colorado River Basin. 

 

Upper Colorado River Basin Hydrology

 

In the Upper Colorado River Basin during water year 2009, the overall precipitation accumulated through September 30, 2009 is approximately 95% of average based on the 30 year average for the period from 1971 through 2000. The final 3 months of water year 2009 all had accumulated precipitation rates that were all below average with 60, 45 and 75% of average occurring in July, August and September respectively.  Precipitation for October 2009 was 90% of average.

 

The Climate Prediction Center outlook (dated October 15, 2009) for temperature over the next 3 months indicates that temperatures in the southwest have an increased probability of being above average while accumulated precipitation is projected to be near average in the Upper Colorado River Basin.

 

Upper Colorado River Basin Drought

 

The Upper Colorado River Basin continues to experience a protracted multi-year drought. Since 1999, inflow to Lake Powell has been below average in every year except water years 2005 and 2008. In the summer of 1999, Lake Powell was close to full with reservoir storage at 23.5 million acre-feet, or 97 percent of capacity. During the next 5 years (2000 through 2004) unregulated inflow to Lake Powell was well below average. This resulted in Lake Powell storage decreasing during this period to 8.0 million acre-feet (33 percent of capacity) which occurred on April 8, 2005. During 2005, 2008 and 2009, drought conditions eased somewhat with net gains in storage to Lake Powell. As of October 28, 2009 the storage in Lake Powell was 15.38 million acre-feet (63.25 percent of capacity) which is still below desired levels while the overall reservoir storage in the Colorado River Basin as of October 28, 2009 is 34.1 million acre-feet (57.26 percent of capacity).

 

RRFW thanks Rick Clayton of the USBOR for his assistance in providing information for this notification.

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#23322 From: "Steve" <landrysg@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:32 pm
Subject: Re: Questions About Upcoming South Kaibab - Bright Angel Loop Camping Trip in Nov.
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Bill,

Thanks for your advice in planning this trip.  Joey and I are looking forward to
it.

For my layover day at Indian Garden, I like the idea of hiking a section of the
Old Bright Angel Trail.  I haven't been "off trail" in previous hikes, although
I understand from other posts that this trail gets some use and so the old trail
is fairly visible and easy to follow.  I'll review more posts and some of the
photos I've found on this and other groups so that I'm better prepared for this
hike.

Thanks again for your help,

Steve

--- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "billferris2003" <BillFerris@...>
wrote:
>
> I also like Skeleton Point as a rest stop on the South Kaibab. There's
reliable shade and great views. There are a couple of places in the Reds &
Whites--the switchbacking descent through the Redwall--where you could stop for
a break. There's even a sign in this section marking the halfway mileage along
the South Kaibab. My absolute favorite rest stop on the South Kaibab is "Big
Shady," about 1/10th mile below the Tip Off. There's reliable shade on a
midsummer day, although your late November itinerary won't leave you wanting for
shade.
>
> A day hike option from Phantom Ranch is to take the route at the north end of
the campground up to Utah Flats on the Tonto level west of Phantom. Burro Spring
is a nice hike from Indian Garden, although I prefer lunching at Pipe Creek. The
trail is well-traveled and easy to follow. Keep an eye open for ruins in Pipe
Creek canyon. They're visible from the west rim of Pipe Creek canyon.
>
> Another interesting day hike from IG is to take the Tonto trail west to Horn
Creek. Bring enough water for the round trip. You might also consider hiking a
section of the Old Bright Angel Trail. Take the Tonto trail east toward Pipe
Creek but, as the trail crests a ridge and turns east, keep an eye open for an
old trail on your left. This route will take you down through the major drainage
on your left, intersecting the modern Bright Angel trail near the top of the
Devil's Corkscrew.
>
> Bill Ferris
> Flagstaff
> http://www.gcadventure.com
>
> --- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen G. Landry, Ph.D."
<landrysg@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, folks.
> >
> > I have some questions about a camping trip to Phantom Ranch and
> > Indian Garden that I'm planning for late November.  I've done this
> > loop before, but I'm going for longer this time than in the past,
> > and I'd like to get all the details right this time.  My itinerary
> > is two nights at PR (in the hiker dorms), two nights at BA
> > Campground, and two nights at Indian Garden (I already have the
> > necessary reservations and backcounry permit).
> >
> > In previous trips down the South Kaibab trail to PR, I've stopped for
> > lunch under O'Neill Butte and at the top of Skeleton Point.  While
> > the view from the top of Skeleton Point is great, it seems to me a
> > little short of half way.  Is there a good place to stop a little
> > further along the trail?  I remember the saddle where the switchbacks
> > cross from the north side of the ridge to the east side, but I can't
> > remember if there's a good place to sit for lunch around there.  Any
> > suggestions regarding lunch stops around halfway to PR?  Or is the
> > top of Skeleton Point the best place for lunch?
> >
> > On my layover days at PR I'm planning on day hikes to Ribbon Falls
> > and the Phantom Ranch overlook on the Clear Creek trail.  Are there
> > other suggestions as to places to visit around there?
> >
> > On the layover day at Indian Garden I'm planning a day hike along the
> > Tonto Trail east to Burro Spring, or perhaps to the tipoff.  I've
> > never been on the Tonto Trail before.  Is this a good day hike?
> > Should I plan to hike out as far as the Tipoff?  Are there views of
> > the Colorado before the Tipoff?  Are there any other suggestions
> > regarding a day hike from Indian Garden?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions about this.
> >
> > Steve Landry
> >
>

#23321 From: RRFW_Riverwire@...
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:13 am
Subject: RRFW Riverwire - Glen Canyon Dam Update
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RRFW Riverwire - Glen Canyon Dam Update

October 14, 2009

 

Lake Powell

 

The unregulated inflow volume into Lake Powell during September 2009 was 0.265 million acre-feet (maf) which was 56% of average based on the period from 1971-2000. This was below the unregulated inflow volume that was forecasted at the beginning of September, which was 0.400 maf.

 

As a result, the elevation of Lake Powell at the end of September was about 1.3 feet lower than projected in the September 24-Month Study.

 

For water year 2009, the annual volume released from Lake Powell was 8.235 maf and the end of water year elevation of Lake Powell was 3635.37 feet above sea level (64.63 feet from full pool).  The end of water year elevation for 2009 was 8.5 feet above the end of water year elevation recorded for 2008.  The 2009 end of water year storage content was 15.36 maf which was 63.2% of full capacity (24.322 maf).  The unregulated inflow to Lake Powell during water year 2009 was 10.63 maf which is 88% of the average based on the historic period from 1971-2000.

 

During September and October, releases from Glen Canyon Dam have been and will continue to be steady at a targeted release rate of 10,000 cubic feet per second (cfs) pursuant to the ‘February 2008 Finding of No Significant Impact Experimental Releases from Glen Canyon Dam, Arizona 2008 through 2012’ and consistent with the ‘Final Environmental Assessment – Experimental Releases from Glen Canyon Dam, Arizona, 2008 through 2012’. Fluctuations for power system regulation and spinning reserves will occur if necessary during this steady release period. The release volume for October will likely be near 0.615 maf as a continuation of the steady release period  

 

As of October 1, 2009, the unregulated inflow to Lake Powell for water year 2010 is projected to have an 80% probability of being within the range between 4.7 maf and 16.5 maf. There is an estimated 10% probability that the water year 2010 unregulated inflow volume will be below 4.7 maf and there is also an estimated 10% probability that the water year 2010 unregulated inflow volume will be greater than 16.5 maf. 

 

Based on the range of probable inflow volumes and through implementation of the Interim Guidelines, there is approximately a 55% probability that Equalization will occur in 2010. The determination of whether or not Equalization will occur in 2010 will be based on the projected September 30 Lake Powell water surface elevations of the 2010 April 24-Month Study. If Equalization does occur in 2010, the water year release volume would be approximately 10.5 maf.  If however, Equalization does not occur in 2010 (45% probability), the water year release volume could be 8.23 maf or possibly 9.0 maf depending on the projected September 30 Lake Mead water surface elevation in the April 24-Month Study. Each month these forecasted probabilities will be updated as hydrologic conditions change in the Upper Colorado River Basin.

 

Upper Colorado River Basin Hydrology

 

In the Upper Colorado River Basin during water year 2009, the overall precipitation accumulated through September 30, 2009 is approximately 95% of average based on the 30 year average for the period from 1971 through 2000. The final 3 months of water year 2009 all had accumulated precipitation rates that were all below average with 60, 45 and 80% of average occurring in July, August and September respectively.

 

The Climate Prediction Center outlook (dated September 17, 2009) for temperature over the next 3 months indicates that temperatures in the southwest have an increased probability of being above average while accumulated precipitation is projected to be near average in the Upper Colorado River Basin.

 

Upper Colorado River Basin Drought

 

The Upper Colorado River Basin continues to experience a protracted multi-year drought. Since 1999, inflow to Lake Powell has been below average in every year except water years 2005 and 2008. In the summer of 1999, Lake Powell was close to full with reservoir storage at 23.5 million acre-feet, or 97 percent of capacity. During the next 5 years (2000 through 2004) unregulated inflow to Lake Powell was well below average. This resulted in Lake Powell storage decreasing during this period to 8.0 million acre-feet (33 percent of capacity) which occurred on April 8, 2005. During 2005, 2008 and 2009, drought conditions eased somewhat with net gains in storage to Lake Powell. As of September 30, 2009 the storage in Lake Powell was 15.46 million acre-feet (63.6 percent of capacity) which is still below desired levels while the overall reservoir storage in the Colorado River Basin as of September 1, 2009 is 34.2 million acre-feet (57.5 percent of capacity).

 

RRFW thanks Rick Clayton of the USBOR for his assistance in providing information for this notification.

 

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#23320 From: "ccdogpark@..." <ccdogpark@...>
Date: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: Top 100 Most Popular National Parks - Dog Rules & Regulations
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Dow:

Is there someone paying you to post this same
message relentlessly to every yahoo group that
will let you and why don't you ever respond to
my emails and questions about this ?

WRZ

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dogpark-National-News/


--- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "DowScoggins" <dowscoggins@...> wrote:
>
> Top 100 Most Popular National Parks - Dog Rules & Regulations
>
> Before going on vacation with your best friend, you may want to check
> out which National Park is dog friendly. The Blue Ridge Parkway(Most
> Popular) is very dog friendly.
>
> National Parks - Dog Rules & Regulations(Click Here)
> <http://www.petvr.com/index.php/pages/Nationalparks.html>
>
> Cheers,
> Dow
>

#23319 From: "bonafidebooks@..." <bonafidebooks@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 7:50 pm
Subject: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS PERMANENT VACATION:LIVING AND WORKING IN OUR NATIONAL PARKS
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CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS
PERMANENT VACATION: LIVING AND WORKING IN OUR NATIONAL PARKS

Bona Fide Books seeks literary essays about experiences living and working in
any US National Park for a collection about life in our parks. Some go seeking
commune with nature; others to escape. Diverse park experiences are desired.
Although we enjoy tree-hugging epiphanies, we also want to read about day-to-day
life, and the societal, environmental, and existential implications of life in
the park. What happened there, and how did it influence your life? (Humor also
welcome.) Writers will receive $100 for their essay and one copy of the
collection.


Deadline: January 5, 2010. Manuscripts should be typed, double-spaced, and 12
point Times New Roman or Courier font with standard formatting applied; word
count is limited to 5,000. Send to submissions@... with "Permanent
Vacation" and the title of work in the subject line.

For more information, please go to www.bonafidebooks.com.

#23318 From: "DowScoggins" <dowscoggins@...>
Date: Tue Oct 6, 2009 5:58 pm
Subject: Top 100 Most Popular National Parks - Dog Rules & Regulations
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Top 100 Most Popular National Parks - Dog Rules & Regulations

Before going on vacation with your best friend, you may want to check out which National Park is dog friendly. The Blue Ridge Parkway(Most Popular) is very dog friendly.

National Parks - Dog Rules & Regulations(Click Here) 

Cheers,
Dow


#23317 From: "Roy" <tiogariverrat@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: Outsak in Grand Canyon
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Here is what I do for food storage. I have the Rat Sack I put all the food in a
stuff sack inside the rat sack. I have used this method on 4 hikes where there
is no ammo cans. I have not lost any food even just putting it on the ground.
This year in Monument group camp one person in our group did not use a stuff
sack or zip lock in her out sack and she lost food to a squirrel. There was 5
rat sacks on the ground also but no food loss.

A friend of mine just got back from the canyon he has the food sack and used my
method of the food in a stuff sack and also had no food loss. You can not buy
the rat sack anymore. If I had to replace my rat sack it would be with the food
sack because the mesh fells stronger then the mesh used in the out sack.

Roy

#23316 From: "Steven" <phs5720@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 4:54 pm
Subject: Has anyone heard of Orthotote?
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I am considering buying this orthotote product. Has anyone out there bought it? 
Below is the info about this product;I have edited it a bit so as not to make
this too long.What do you think? This is not an advert. I am constantly using a
shoulder held bag and it has caused me pain. I saw this ad but I do not care to
be ripped off.


The Orthotote is a patented shoulder pad that can easily be attached to any
shoulder strap up to 4 inches wide.

It works using three very sound principles.

The pad has a wedge shape that reverses the natural sliding pond slope of the
shoulder. This wedge also shifts the center of gravity towards the middle of the
body so that the laptop now wants to shift towards the body instead of away from
it.

It distibutes the weight over a far larger area which eliminates that strap
cutting into your shoulder area so you have no pain.

The bottom layer is a cushiony space age non marking plastic that acts like a
shock absorber. At the same time this material grips the shoulder area, further
reducing the possibility of slippage. The Orthotote is so revolutionary, it has
earned a utility patent which means even its concept is patented.
So what do you think?

#23315 From: "Peter Borremans" <pete@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 1:09 pm
Subject: RE: Foodsack questions
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Parker,

 

A wire mesh bag such as the Foodsack will suit you fine. If you are staying at the campgrounds and/or some designated sites, leave your Foodsack at home because they are no match compared to the park provided ammo cans which are bomber. In the back country, many people hang their food from a suspended line in a stuff sack - but sooner or later, the system fails and they have problems. For protection from ravens, it’s best to hang your Foodsack or conceal it – out of site, out of mind. Squirrels and mice will not breach the Foodsack but given enough time, a corvid will if they can gain purchase on it.

 

Hope this helps!

 

   Pete Borremans

      www.foodsack.org

 


From: The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of smarterthanilook@...
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:44 PM
To: The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [The_Grand_Canyon] I'll try again to get an answer about my Outsak

 

 



I bet your foodsack does the job, but could you please answer the question.

What storage method for using an Outsak is most effective?

--- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Borremans" <pete@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, this question seems to point right at me. Yes, I am a moderator of the
> "other" Grand Canyon Group and I can assure you that NONE of your so-called
> previous posts have been censored (by myself anyway and I'm quite certain
> not by others). Could it be you didn't post correctly? Or had a glitch in
> your system.
>
>
>
> I manufacture a Foodsack which can be viewed @ www.foodsack.org I am proud
> of what I manufacture but no not engage in playing games.
>
>
>
> In the future, I suggest that if you have a problem with the forum you are
> using, that you contact the owner of the group. Any owner of a group looks
> out for ALL the members.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Pete Borremans
>
> Green Bay, WI
>
> www.foodsack.org
>
> _____
>
> From: The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> smarterthanilook@...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:51 AM
> To: The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [The_Grand_Canyon] Outsak in Grand Canyon
>
>
>
>
>
> So i tried getting an answer to my Outsak question on another yahoo group,
> only to have the post never show up. I tried 3 times to post the question,
> each time it never showed. I have another post that showed up when I asked
> about gear rental, but my outsak questions never get answered or posted.From
> reading the posts it seems a member of that forum sells a competing product,
> and my guess is they moderate all comments, even though they say they don't.
> I'm disappointed because it seemed like a good resource, now its turning
> into an advertising site for someone. Someone always has to ruin a good
> thing.
>
> I just found out about this group. The other I was referred to, this one I
> found on my own.I need a new forum to answer my questions. The other Grand
> Canyon hikers forum has become a bit of a joke. Too bad for them.
>
> So here is my question.
>
> What works best for using an Outsak in Grand Canyon? I bought one online,
> they have videos to look at, http://www.youtube.
> <http://www.youtube.com/outsak> com/outsak but I wanted to pick the brain of
> some other hikers, to see which storage technique is the most effective way
> to use my outsak.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>


#23314 From: smarterthanilook@rocketmail.com
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 12:43 am
Subject: I'll try again to get an answer about my Outsak
smarterthani...
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I bet your foodsack does the job, but could you please answer the question.

What storage method for using an Outsak is most effective?



--- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Borremans" <pete@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, this question seems to point right at me. Yes, I am a moderator of the
> "other" Grand Canyon Group and I can assure you that NONE of your so-called
> previous posts have been censored (by myself anyway and I'm quite certain
> not by others). Could it be you didn't post correctly? Or had a glitch in
> your system.
>
>
>
> I manufacture a Foodsack which can be viewed @ www.foodsack.org I am proud
> of what I manufacture but no not engage in playing games.
>
>
>
> In the future, I suggest that if you have a problem with the forum you are
> using, that you contact the owner of the group. Any owner of a group looks
> out for ALL the members.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Pete Borremans
>
>   Green Bay, WI
>
>    www.foodsack.org
>
>   _____
>
> From: The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> smarterthanilook@...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:51 AM
> To: The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [The_Grand_Canyon] Outsak in Grand Canyon
>
>
>
>
>
> So i tried getting an answer to my Outsak question on another yahoo group,
> only to have the post never show up. I tried 3 times to post the question,
> each time it never showed. I have another post that showed up when I asked
> about gear rental, but my outsak questions never get answered or posted.From
> reading the posts it seems a member of that forum sells a competing product,
> and my guess is they moderate all comments, even though they say they don't.
> I'm disappointed because it seemed like a good resource, now its turning
> into an advertising site for someone. Someone always has to ruin a good
> thing.
>
> I just found out about this group. The other I was referred to, this one I
> found on my own.I need a new forum to answer my questions. The other Grand
> Canyon hikers forum has become a bit of a joke. Too bad for them.
>
> So here is my question.
>
> What works best for using an Outsak in Grand Canyon? I bought one online,
> they have videos to look at, http://www.youtube.
> <http://www.youtube.com/outsak> com/outsak but I wanted to pick the brain of
> some other hikers, to see which storage technique is the most effective way
> to use my outsak.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>

#23313 From: smarterthanilook@rocketmail.com
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 12:55 am
Subject: Missing the Canyon > Re: Outsak in Grand Canyon
smarterthani...
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Sorry to hear about your funky skunk experience....peee yeewwww

I've heard you get to take as much of that red dirt as you want out of the
canyon....as long as its ground into your shirt,shorts and socks.

I guess that would be the only way to legally remove dirt from the canyon

--- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "deadhead1232000" <deadhead1232000@...>
wrote:
>
> Just seeing the red dirt in that Oustsk video really made me miss the Canyon. 
It has been a number of years since my last hike (and may be another couple
since I am opting for a Jamaican beach for my 2010 vacation ; ^ ) but I will
have to start getting the wheels in motion for my next Canyon adventure!
>
> Short version on the importance of food management:  waking up bleary eyed at
4:00 a.m. upon hearing an animal in my pack (I goofed - d'oh!), I donned my
headlamp to see a skunk at my pack.  Not thinking, I yelled and threw my hiking
boot at him...
>
> The hike up from the river is all that much longer when you really, really
stink.  Really.
>

#23312 From: "shioshya" <shioshya@...>
Date: Thu Oct 1, 2009 10:21 pm
Subject: Geologist George Billingsley to lead special Grand Canyon field trip
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Grand Canyon National Park will celebrate Earth Science Week, October 11 - 17 by
offering special presentations on earth sciences and the canyon's geology,
capped by a special field trip on Desert View Drive led by USGS research
geologist George Billingsley on Saturday, October 17, from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. The
field trip will begin and end at park headquarters in Grand Canyon Village, and
will include stops at Desert View, Grandview Point and Yaki Point.
Transportation will be provided by free shuttle bus. Each participant should
bring a sack lunch, water and a light jacket.

Billingsley has spent his career making geologic maps of the Grand Canyon region
and his work was featured in the Mapping the Canyon Kolb Studio art exhibit in
winter 2008 - 2009. During the field trip, Billingsley will discuss Grand Canyon
geology and share some of his experiences while conducting geologic research in
the canyon.

Some panels from the Mapping the Canyon exhibit will be on display in park
headquarters during Earth Science Week.


To view the complete schedule of Earth Science Week events
http://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/earth-sci-week.htm.

#23311 From: "deadhead1232000" <deadhead1232000@...>
Date: Thu Oct 1, 2009 3:42 pm
Subject: Missing the Canyon > Re: Outsak in Grand Canyon
deadhead1232000
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Just seeing the red dirt in that Oustsk video really made me miss the Canyon. 
It has been a number of years since my last hike (and may be another couple
since I am opting for a Jamaican beach for my 2010 vacation ; ^ ) but I will
have to start getting the wheels in motion for my next Canyon adventure!

Short version on the importance of food management:  waking up bleary eyed at
4:00 a.m. upon hearing an animal in my pack (I goofed - d'oh!), I donned my
headlamp to see a skunk at my pack.  Not thinking, I yelled and threw my hiking
boot at him...

The hike up from the river is all that much longer when you really, really
stink.  Really.

#23310 From: RRFW_Riverwire@...
Date: Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:56 am
Subject: RRFW Riverwire – Pearce Ferry Rapid and Road Photo Update
RRFW_Riverwire@...
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RRFW Riverwire – Pearce Ferry Rapid and Road Photo Update

September 30, 2009

 

Work is progressing well on the public access road to the Colorado River at Pearce Ferry Arizona. Heavy equipment is actively working on the road at this time. River runners will see a water pump at the river side where the proposed take-out ramp will be located.

 

According to Lake Mead officials, the road is projected to be open by January 1, 2010, and is being constructed with funds from Grand Canyon National Park’s Recreational Fee demonstration Program. River Runners for Wilderness is please to have worked with Lake Mead officials to make sure this road is built to public road standards with public funds.

 

Lake Mead officials note that the road will be constructed on sand and gravel where the road travels over lake sediment. The project will include a parking area, jet boat dock, and boat ramp.

 

The only location where paving is used is about 250 feet of the road where it slopes down to the proposed ramp.  There may be paved low water crossings included where the road crosses large drainages.

 

At this time Lake Mead planners are not going to allow downstream river runners to launch at the ramp. It is estimated that it may take as long as a year or more for planning to be completed to possibly allow this activity.

 

As of this writing, all river runners arriving at the ramp from upstream, having launched at either Lee’s Ferry or Diamond Creek, may travel on downstream to South Cove if they wish to bypass the new ramp facility.

 

Photos of the road construction taken September 29, 2009, can be viewed at the River Runners for Wilderness web site photo gallery at this link:

 

http://www.rrfw.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=19

 

Meanwhile, just a half mile below the location of the new ramp, Pearce Ferry Rapid continues to occasionally flip watercraft and scouting is recommended.

 

According to National Park officials, on September 1, 2009, a Wilderness River Expeditions 37-foot-long motorized tour boat flipped in the rapid. The craft was operating without its outermost side tubes attached and overturned in the rapid, resulting in the loss of approximately $10,000 worth of river gear.  The boat was not carrying any commercial passengers at the time and there were no reported injuries.

 

An important new feature in Pearce Ferry rapid is the appearance of a new rock mid channel in the exit flume of the rapid. Scouting on river left is recommended, though care must be used to stay well back from the edge of the unstable sediment cliff on the shoreline.

 

Photographs of Pearce Ferry rapid, including the new mid channel rock taken September 29, 2009, can be viewed at the River Runners for Wilderness web site photo gallery at this link:

 

http://www.rrfw.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=20

 

River runners are reminded that there are two additional rapids near Mile 292.5 at the end of Iceberg Canyon. National Park Service officials are attempting to recover a twenty foot jet boat that sank in the rapids here Sunday September 27, 2009. All four passengers in the boat were wearing life jackets and were not injured in the boat sinking.

 

The present reservoir level is 1094 feet, which is ten feet lower than at this time last year. The present level is still six feet above the historic low of 1088 last seen in 1964 after the closing of the Colorado River to collect water behind the newly constructed Glen Canyon Dam.

 

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

RIVERWIRE is a free service to the community of river lovers from River Runners for Wilderness. To join, send an e-mail address to riverwire@... and we'll add it to the RRFW RIVERWIRE e-mail alerts list.

 

Join RRFW's person to person listserver to stay abreast of and participate in the latest river issues. It's as easy as sending a blank e-mail to Rafting_Grand_Canyon-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

 

Check out RRFW's Rafting Grand Canyon Wiki for free information on Do-It-Yourself Grand Canyon rafting info http://www.rrfw.org/RaftingGrandCanyon/Main_Page.

 

Check out new items and donate at the RRFW Store! RRFW is a non-profit project of Living Rivers.

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#23309 From: "Peter Borremans" <pete@...>
Date: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:46 pm
Subject: RE: Outsak in Grand Canyon
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Wow, this question seems to point right at me. Yes, I am a moderator of the “other” Grand Canyon Group and I can assure you that NONE of your so-called previous posts have been censored (by myself anyway and I’m quite certain not by others). Could it be you didn’t post correctly? Or had a glitch in your system.

 

I manufacture a Foodsack which can be viewed @ www.foodsack.org I am proud of what I manufacture but no not engage in playing games.

 

In the future, I suggest that if you have a problem with the forum you are using, that you contact the owner of the group. Any owner of a group looks out for ALL the members.

 

All the best,

 

Pete Borremans

  Green Bay, WI

   www.foodsack.org


From: The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of smarterthanilook@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:51 AM
To: The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [The_Grand_Canyon] Outsak in Grand Canyon

 

 

So i tried getting an answer to my Outsak question on another yahoo group, only to have the post never show up. I tried 3 times to post the question, each time it never showed. I have another post that showed up when I asked about gear rental, but my outsak questions never get answered or posted.From reading the posts it seems a member of that forum sells a competing product, and my guess is they moderate all comments, even though they say they don't. I'm disappointed because it seemed like a good resource, now its turning into an advertising site for someone. Someone always has to ruin a good thing.

I just found out about this group. The other I was referred to, this one I found on my own.I need a new forum to answer my questions. The other Grand Canyon hikers forum has become a bit of a joke. Too bad for them.

So here is my question.

What works best for using an Outsak in Grand Canyon? I bought one online, they have videos to look at, http://www.youtube.com/outsak but I wanted to pick the brain of some other hikers, to see which storage technique is the most effective way to use my outsak.

Any help is appreciated.


#23308 From: smarterthanilook@rocketmail.com
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:50 pm
Subject: Outsak in Grand Canyon
smarterthani...
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So i tried getting an answer to my Outsak question on another yahoo group, only
to have the post never show up. I tried 3 times to post the question, each time
it never showed. I have another post that showed up when I asked about gear
rental, but my outsak questions never get answered or posted.From reading the
posts it seems a member of that forum sells a competing product, and my guess is
they moderate all comments, even though they say they don't. I'm disappointed
because it seemed like a good resource, now its turning into an advertising site
for someone. Someone always has to ruin a good thing.

I just found out about this group. The other I was referred to, this one I found
on my own.I need a new forum to answer my questions. The other Grand Canyon
hikers forum has become a bit of a joke. Too bad for them.

So here is my question.

What works best for using an Outsak in Grand Canyon? I bought one online, they
have videos to look at, http://www.youtube.com/outsak but I wanted to pick the
brain of some other hikers, to see which storage technique is the most effective
way to use my outsak.

Any help is appreciated.

#23307 From: canyon hiker <grandcanyonhiker@...>
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:26 am
Subject: Rim-to-Rim hikes/rides/car moves this Sun/Mon/Tues?
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I posted before, but if anyone wants to do a rim-to-rim hike this Sunday or
Monday or Tuesday, there are several of us hiking from south to north on Monday,
then driving back around on Tuesday morning.  We have wheels at the north rim
that we are moving for a group heading south, but one of us could also move a
car for you, if someone needs it.
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#23306 From: "kgm85oh" <kgm85oh@...>
Date: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: First time rim to rim
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--- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "d.birk" <d.birk@...> wrote:
>
> We are in the very advanced planning of a rim to rim next year.(9/10)
> We would appreciate any tips and info on what to expect. We will be going
North to South.  Plan on staying in cottonwood then phantom ranch and out the
3rd day.  Is the shuttle the best way to get there or is there an alternate out
of Flagstaff ?
> Thanks  Dave
>
The best thing to do is leave a car on the South Rim and take the Trans Canyon
Shuttle to the North and spend the night before on the North Rim.  Be prepared
for some very hot conditions below Cottonwood.  I was just at Phantom for two
nights 9/13 and 9/14 it was over 100 in the sun both days.  I was told the
conditions in the box were very hot.

#23305 From: "d.birk" <d.birk@...>
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:48 pm
Subject: First time rim to rim
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We are in the very advanced planning of a rim to rim next year.(9/10)
We would appreciate any tips and info on what to expect. We will be going North
to South.  Plan on staying in cottonwood then phantom ranch and out the 3rd day.
Is the shuttle the best way to get there or is there an alternate out of
Flagstaff ?
Thanks  Dave

#23304 From: "shioshya" <shioshya@...>
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:12 pm
Subject: Grand Canyon hiker discovered deceased below North Rim near Toroweap Valley
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Grand Canyon, Ariz. – Park rangers recovered the body of a man today in an area
below the North Rim of Grand Canyon National Park near the Toroweap Valley.  
The man's wife called the Grand Canyon Regional Communications Center last night
around 10:30 to report her husband overdue.

The man had started a day-hike yesterday at approximately 9:00 a.m. on a trail
known as the Lava Falls Route.  He had planned on hiking to the Colorado River
and back, a round trip distance of approximately three miles.  When he failed to
return by dusk, his wife drove from the Toroweap Valley to Fredonia, Arizona, a
three-hour drive, to report him overdue.

Two rangers responded to the trailhead last night to set up a containment area
and to stage for an early morning search.  An aerial search of the Lava Falls
Route began this morning at approximately 8:50 a.m.; the man's body was located
on the lower end of the route, just off trail, at approximately 9:20 a.m.  Due
to the steep and remote terrain, rangers were required to hike to the scene from
a landing zone approximately one hour away.

The man's body will be flown, via long-line (line suspended from beneath a
helicopter), to Tuweep near the Toroweap Valley, before being flown by
helicopter to Kingman, Ariz. then transported to the Mohave County Medical
Examiner's Office.

Although the Lava Falls Route is one of the shortest routes from the rim to the
river, it is a hot steep and difficult route with loose talus slopes made up of
volcanic rock with an elevation change from rim to river of more than 2500 feet.
The trailhead is approximately three miles south of the Tuweep Campground, in a
remote area of the Grand Canyon.  Tuweep is a five hour drive from the North Rim
developed area.

The man's name and hometown/state are being held pending notification of family
members.

There are no further details at this time.  An investigation is being conducted
by the National Park Service.

-NPS-

Maureen Oltrogge
Public Affairs Officer
Grand Canyon National Park
(928) 638-7779
(928) 638-7609 fax
maureen_oltrogge@...

EXPERIENCE YOUR AMERICA
The National Park Service cares for special places saved by the American people
so that all may experience our heritage.

#23303 From: "shioshya" <shioshya@...>
Date: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:48 am
Subject: Grand Canyon Hiking with Infants and Children (podcast)
shioshya
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Heading out into the natural environment with children can be a fantastic
experience for both parent and child. Children often bring our attention back to
the wonder of small things we may miss while taking in the grandeur of the
Canyon. Hiking with children in a place known for extreme temperatures and high
cliffs also presents a unique set of safety challenges. In this podcast I will
present some suggestions for keeping your infant or small child protected from
heat-illness, dehydration, sunburn and falls. I will also give you a checklist
of items you might want to bring with you on your hike, and some suggested trail
destinations.

http://www.nps.gov/grca/photosmultimedia/hike_smart-05.htm

#23302 From: "shioshya" <shioshya@...>
Date: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:48 am
Subject: Grand Canyon Hiking with Infants and Children (podcast)
shioshya
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Heading out into the natural environment with children can be a fantastic
experience for both parent and child. Children often bring our attention back to
the wonder of small things we may miss while taking in the grandeur of the
Canyon. Hiking with children in a place known for extreme temperatures and high
cliffs also presents a unique set of safety challenges. In this podcast I will
present some suggestions for keeping your infant or small child protected from
heat-illness, dehydration, sunburn and falls. I will also give you a checklist
of items you might want to bring with you on your hike, and some suggested trail
destinations.

http://www.nps.gov/grca/photosmultimedia/hike_smart-05.htm

#23301 From: "iamfeliciaus" <iamfeliciaus@...>
Date: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:58 am
Subject: Re: Roaring Springs 08-22-09
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The phone is an iPhone.  It is the first version, so the camera quality is not
good.  I have taken a lot of good photos with it now that I know what type of
pictures I can take.  For this album, I did learn to use my photo program called
iPhoto to do some enhancing of the photos.  I'm happy with the album as a first
time attempt at enhancing.

Thanks.




--- In The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "garyclaytonpalmer"
<claytongarypalmer@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, nice pictures. I did not realise that camera phones could take such good
pictures. What brand/model phone did you use on that trip.--- In
The_Grand_Canyon@yahoogroups.com, "iamfeliciaus" <iamfeliciaus@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Our adventure to Roaring Springs:
> >
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=135475&id=686513071&l=6cd2632cee
> >
>

#23300 From: "bonafidebooks@..." <bonafidebooks@...>
Date: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:58 am
Subject: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS PERMANENT VACATION:LIVING AND WORKING IN OUR NATIONAL PARKS
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CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS
PERMANENT VACATION: LIVING AND WORKING IN OUR NATIONAL PARKS
Bona Fide Books seeks literary essays about experiences living and working in
Grand Canyon for a collection about life in our parks. Some go seeking commune
with nature; others to escape. Diverse park experiences are desired. Although we
enjoy tree-hugging epiphanies, we also want to read about day-to-day life, and
the societal, environmental, and existential implications of life in the park.
What happened there, and how did it influence your life? (Humor also welcome.)
Writers will receive $100 for their essay and one copy of the collection.

Deadline: January 5, 2010. Manuscripts should be typed, double-spaced, and 12
point Times New Roman or Courier font with standard formatting applied; word
count is limited to 5,000. Send to submissions@... with "Permanent
Vacation" and the title of work in the subject line.

For more information, please go to www.bonafidebooks.com.

#23299 From: "Tom Martin" <tomhazel@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:47 pm
Subject: Flipped Out for Grand Canyon
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Hi all, Dr. Tom Myers asked that I post this out to Grand Canyon Groups. Yours, tom

 

 

Flipped Out for Grand Canyon

 

Several years ago we asked you for pictures of big-water shots in Grand Canyon for a fun and funky book project to be called Flipped Out for Grand Canyon. Fortunately, many of you kind folks responded with several really cool flip, BIG RIDE and other river mayhem shots. Unfortunately, the project was shoved off the back burner and stuffed into a rocket box. It was recently reopened, but we need even more shots to make this outrageous book complete. We’re also hoping to include some off-the-wall images from shore. These can be unusual shots of the landscape, flora or fauna. Perhaps you have a picture of a bighorn standing on your boat deck, a raven flying off with your underwear, a rock falling, a flash flood--whatever.  We’re looking for shots that you just don’t see every day, the ones show the uniqueness of the Canyon and keep us flipped out for this place.

 

Please scrounge any old or recent photos you may have if you think you

have something that might be worthy of immortality. Any and all photos

used will be credited and a small user $ fee paid. (Hey- it beats a poke in the eye

by a paddle). Muchas gracias!

 

Your friends at Puma Press

Please contact Tom Myers

(928) 213-9299

pumapress1@...

 


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