| > I'd NEVER send an entire LP side through a filter to
| > remove clicks. I
| > insist on doing it by hand or not doing it at all.
| >
| > Why not? I use Cool Edit Pro, and it does an
| excellent job of removing clicks.
|
| Because I feel that the 16 bit digital transfer is
| missing something from the original analog signal
| anyway.  It's missing what is refered to as
| "soundstage", that is the ambience of the recording.
| You lose some of that with only 16bit 44.1 digital.
| Then taking that signal and running it through a
| filter, you than destroy more of the soundstage.  Even
| digital EQ will do this.  So I do the EQ in analog
| before going into my soundcard.  If you cabn gwet the
| signal sounding right going in, you are always going
| to be better off.  You can't send a dusty record
| through a declicking program and end up with anything
| I'd want into my collection.  If you do0 the
| declicking by hand, you will have a better sounding CD
| in the end.  But it takes a lot of work depending on
| the amount of clicks you are going to need to deal
| with.  But it will sound better by hand.
| I run my files through Pristine Sounds


I find it pretty fascinating to learn what other people do as far as
remastering their own recordings is concerned, and their reasons for
doing so. There was, in the words of one poster on a newsgroup recently,
an almost quasi-religious fervor when discussing this topic.

Just for fun a couple of weeks ago, I listened to the same song on a
pre-recorded LP and on a pre-recorded CD from my collection. I noticed
differences in both recordings but nothing that would make me favor an
LP over a CD or vice versa. I suspect I wouldn't notice enough
difference to justify doing the de-clicking by hand. That's not to say I
don't think it's worth the effort; it's just not for me.

BTW, when you do the de-clicking by hand how long does it take you to do
that on average?

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--- In TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup@y..., dmshaw@o... wrote:

G'day Graham. Great list.
----------
+ Thanks David. It seems to be coming along nicely.
---------
On the subject of receiving interference (FM in your
case), while I don't doubt that your actions removed the noise, I
wonder if you might not still have a lurking problem?
--------
+ What you say is probably right. It's a kind of 'bits 'n' pieces'
system.
--------
It is unusual for typical lengths of well earthed conductors to
contribute to noise reception.  I subscribe to the "if it isn't
broken, don't fix it" philosophy,
-----------
+ Absolutely...I'm not really into messing around with gear. I just
want it to work!
-------
but you might want to explore the effectiveness of (1) your earth
path, and (2) whether the new cartridge you are using has a
functioning cover-headshell-arm earth connection.
----------
+ The new cartridge is the problem I suspect. It was actually given
to me and I think it had some problems. I've since fitted another
one...problem solved.
--------
By the way, what is your experience and preference of cartridge (and
replacement stylii) types and brands - this should start a new
thread, I suppose.
-----------
+ Mmmmm....I used to have an Ortofon which I really liked, but at the
moment, I'm using an el cheapo garden variety Sanyo, which is not too
bad, just a little bit lacking in the bottom end. As for starting a
new thread, I totally agree with you. Cartidge/stylus and the playing
surface are the most important facors in getting good results I think.
--------
I am using a Stanton 681 EEE with a newly acquired stylus ('cheaper'
Goldring replacement)  David
--------
+ I've found some of the replacements are as very bit as good as the
the originals and are not to be sneezed at. I've never had anything
to do with Stanton though. I believe they are excellent.
Graham

G'day Graham.
Great list.  On the subject of receiving interference (FM in your
case), while I don't doubt that your actions removed the noise, I
wonder if you might not still have a lurking problem?

It is unusual for typical lengths of well earthed conductors to
contribute to noise reception.  I subscribe to the "if it isn't
broken, don't fix it" philosophy, but you might want to explore the
effectiveness of (1) your earth path, and (2) whether the new
cartridge you are using has a functioning cover-headshell-arm earth
connection.

By the way, what is your experience and preference of cartridge (and
replacement stylii) types and brands - this should start a new
thread, I suppose.  I am using a Stanton 681 EEE with a newly
acquired stylus ('cheaper' Goldring replacement)

David

From:  "Jerry Sze" <jerryszesf@...>
Date:  Fri Nov 30, 2001  9:00 am
Subject:  First Things First

Anyway, I believe the process is pretty straight forward, however I
think to get good results would require more careful planning. So
let's start from the beginning.....etc:
----------
+ This is very good Jerry...a step by step rundown on how to do Cd
transfers. I think it would be a great idea if we could all do
something like this. Even though we all have different systems and
techniques, it will give ua all a bit of an insight into how others
get their records transferred to Cd. This will also give any
newcomers to this group a kind of large 'data-base' of personal
experiences to help get them started.
Graham

I guess I should have explained a little better, huh? The only thing I'm
able to figure out is that it must have something to do with the copy
protection that is present on all DVDs. I simply cannot get the sound to
come through when I try to record digital to digital. What I haven't
looked into and probably should is whether or not the same things you
can do to make your DVD player a code-free player would allow me to
record digital to digital. Another thing I could probably do is check in
one of the DVD newsgroups to see if someone there has some experience
copying just the audio from a DVD. Stay tuned.  :)

| I am somewhat puzzled by your approach to transfer DVD to CDR, why
| are you going through the analog domain since DVD's like CD's are
| recorded digitally thus any archiving, editing should be done in the
| digital domain, when you record the signal after your DAC/stereo
| preamp, you are not getting a faithful reprodction of the original
| recording anymore...

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Anyway, I believe the process is pretty straight forward, however I
think to get good results would require more careful planning. So
let's start from the beginning:

1) you must clean your records! Like Graham suggested, use TVS (free
plug here) or other cleaners to make sure your record is clean first,
this is the source material, so it must be in tip top shape. <I use a
VPI record cleaner/vacumn to get them really clean.>

2) you should have a decent phono setup (which is subject to endless
debate among audiophiles, suffice to say you should not expect to get
good sound off a K-tel Rec-O-Vac or one of those Restoration Hardware
jobbies!) <I have Project 6.9 turntable, Rega 250 arm and Grado
Reference Platium cartridge with Audio Note RIAA.>

3) you should have a good soundcard, i.e., no CreativeLab, make sure
the card has a good ADC, try Midiman, TurtleBeach, etc. You do not
want to save money here, since this is the beginning of the digital
chain. <I use Midiman Delta 1010 with 96Khz/24 bit ADC>

4) use a good software to edit, clean and process (if you must) the
audio tracks and save them on your hard disk. <I use CoolEdit 2000
running of course at 96/24>

5) use a good CD burning software, i.e., no Adapt EasyCD, to burn
your CD. Nero and Feurio are good programs, but there are many to
choose from. <I use Feurio>

6) use a good CD burner, opinions vary based on price, speed, audio
quality, etc. but you can't go wrong with Plextor. <I plan to get the
new Plextor 24x burner, hello, Santa do you hear me!>

After all that, store the CD in a cool place like your wine-celler
and pick up a good Cabernat while you are at it.

Cheers,
Jerry

I am somewhat puzzled by your approach to transfer DVD to CDR, why
are you going through the analog domain since DVD's like CD's are
recorded digitally thus any archiving, editing should be done in the
digital domain, when you record the signal after your DAC/stereo
preamp, you are not getting a faithful reprodction of the original
recording anymore...

Thanks for your interest in my article. I don't think the editor of
Discoveries would be too pleased with me if I posted the article's
contents any time before the magazines go on sale. However, I'd like to
put it up on my website a few months after the article has been
published.  (BTW, my website is practically non-existent at the moment).
I plan to incorporate any feedback that I've received into the website,
as well as more examples of CD sleeves I've done, more software
recommendations if any of you would like to contribute on that, and
anything else that comes to mind.

If you'd like to buy the magazine and live in the US or Canada, you
should be able to pick it up at most Borders Books & Music stores. I'm
not sure what other stores carry it though. If you don't have any place
you can buy it, you can e-mail Discoveries editor, John Koenig
(KoenigJ@...) with credit card information and have him ship you
a copy. Alternatively, you can mail payment to John Koenig, Discoveries
Magazine, 700 E. State St., Iola, WI 54990-0001, USA. Total cost of a
single copy shipped to you is $5 (US funds) to the US and Canada, and
$13 (US funds) to anywhere outside the US and Canada. A third
alternative, if anyone is interested and has PayPal, is to send me
payment and I'll buy and send out the copies. I had occasion to send a
few copies of the mag to friends recently, if you're wondering how I
know so much about how to get single copies.

I expect I'll buy a few extra copies myself. What's that line from the
song by Dr. Hook called "Rolling Stone?"  - "Gonna buy five copies for
my mother."  Actually, I may buy more than just five. LOL!


| Is there a way we can get a hold of that magazine article before Jan
2002 ?
|
| ><warning:
| >shameless plug coming>.  I am having an article published on the
subject
| >in Discoveries magazine in January 2002. That's a US music magazine,
in
| >case you're not familiar with it. If you get a chance to read it,
that
| >will hopefully pull all the pieces together for you.


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I'm sure....

Dan
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: [TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup] Links to other Lp-->Cd
Resources...[for Dan]


> Hi Dan...as promised, here are some links to other Lp-->Cd Resources.
> These people are fairly well established and should be able to shed
> some light on the Cd transfer process.
>
> http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~abcomp/lp-cdr.htm
> http://a.reny.free.fr/iexplorer/restauration.html
> http://www.soundlabs.com/
> http://www.jdklein.com/clickfix/links.htm
>
> I've been to these places from time to time, and between all of
> them, I feel they cover the whole process in a fairly easy to
> understand manner. I guess the whole process from beginning to end
> can be a little daunting, but hopefully, between myself and others
> here, we might be able to guide you through the basics and alert you
> to some of the pitfalls we've all experienced when transferring their
> records to Cd. Perhaps the best way to do this is to ask specific
> questions. If we know the answers, that's a start, and we'll attempt
> to fill in the gaps on this somewhat mysterious process.
> Cheers.......Graham
>
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Hi Dan...as promised, here are some links to other Lp-->Cd Resources.
These people are fairly well established and should be able to shed
some light on the Cd transfer process.

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~abcomp/lp-cdr.htm
http://a.reny.free.fr/iexplorer/restauration.html
http://www.soundlabs.com/
http://www.jdklein.com/clickfix/links.htm

I've been to these places from time to time, and between all of
them, I feel they cover the whole process in a fairly easy to
understand manner. I guess the whole process from beginning to end
can be a little daunting, but hopefully, between myself and others
here, we might be able to guide you through the basics and alert you
to some of the pitfalls we've all experienced when transferring their
records to Cd. Perhaps the best way to do this is to ask specific
questions. If we know the answers, that's a start, and we'll attempt
to fill in the gaps on this somewhat mysterious process.
Cheers.......Graham

Is there a way we can get a hold of that magazine article before Jan 2002 ?


>From: "Pat Wong" <Vinyl-Junkie@...>
>Reply-To: TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup@yahoogroups.com
>To: <TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup] attack of the newbie!
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:19:42 -0800
>
>Welcome to the list, Dan! You've definitely come to the right place. As
>far as getting you started, I've bookmarked a few sites that I think are
>pretty good for giving you the basics. Here are the links:
>
>http://www.vinyl-restoration.f2s.com/
>
>http://a.reny.free.fr/iexplorer/restauration.html
>
>http://www.ganymede.hemscott.net/tutorial.htm
>
>There's also another option  in case you're interested <warning:
>shameless plug coming>.  I am having an article published on the subject
>in Discoveries magazine in January 2002. That's a US music magazine, in
>case you're not familiar with it. If you get a chance to read it, that
>will hopefully pull all the pieces together for you.
>
>I think from what's been posted here on the list, there are a quite a
>few experienced people here who can give you pointers, so just feel free
>to ask.
>
>
>| My question - can anyone point me to a good source for someone like
>me, who
>| knows next to NOTHING about this process? I'm sure the
>software/hardware
>| manuals will help a little, but obviously I want to have some sense of
>what
>| I'm doing before I buy the stuff. I'm coming from a point of not
>knowing if
>| I need to buy an internal burner or an external unit, whether an lp
>signal
>| can be fed through a tuner into a soundcard, etc.  Any pointers would
>be
>| helpful! Thanks!!
>|
>| Dan
>
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Hi, Thanks for putting this list together!
------------
+ That's ok...somebody had to do it! <g>
----------
I am so new at LP-CDR transferring that I don't even have a burner
yet! I plan on purchasing the necessary equipment within a few months.
I will be using it to create CDs from other CDs, but also to transfer
vinyl recordings on to CD. I have many old jazz lps that have not and
most likely will never be released again in any other format.
-----------
+ Well Dan, you've come to the right place.
------
My question - can anyone point me to a good source for someone like
me, who knows next to NOTHING about this process?
-----------
+ There sure is....and over the next day or two, I'll put a bit of s
shortlist together for you of some cool places and people to get into
contact with, so stay tuned.
----------
I'm sure the software/hardware manuals will help a little...
---------
+ Absolutely...whenever I'm getting into something new tech-wise, I
read the manuals over abd over again, and try to get an overall
picture of the whole thing. In other words, to grasp the concept.
---------
but obviously I want to have some sense of what I'm doing before I
buy
the stuff.
--------
+ A good idea Dan.
------
I'm coming from a point of not knowing if I need to buy an internal
burner or an external unit,
---------
+ There's for and against both methods Dan. Maybe others here
will shed a little light on this subject. I personally use an
external burner, but sometimes I wish I had an internal.
--------
whether an lp signal can be fed through a tuner into a soundcard, etc.
Any pointers would be helpful! Thanks!!
Dan
--------
+ You're talking about a 'signal chain' here. I'll attempt to
kick-start this subject. For starters, you need a reasonably
good turntable when you're doing vinyl...[Cd's are reasonably to
transfer] From the turntable, you really need to plug your
turntable into a Pre-Amp. DON'T plug the outputs of your
Tuner/Amplifier into your soundCard. The 'hot' signal will do quite
considerable damage to your system. Pre-amps these days don't cost an
arm and a leg. Virtually anything will do the job. The Pre-amps job
is
to kick the signal slightly hotter than your Phono-Cartridge output,
so as to give your SoundCard a decent Input signal. Failure to do
this
will result in excessive noise. Some pre-Amps have other controls on
them, such as EQ, but as a rule, most people run their EQ's dead flat.
So, here's your first installment Dan. You need a Pre-Amp. perhaps
others will add to this. If not, I'll try to give you a basic outline
of what you're up against soon.
Regards......Graham

--- In TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup@y..., hero@b... wrote:
> I'll confess right off the bat that I am an utter novice to this
> subject matter and am trying to find a way to transfer old and
> precious albums to CD so I may enjoy them again.....etc

> I hope someone here can help me find a solution.  Preferably
finding
> out about anyone or anywhere that performs this service for a
doofus
> like me.  Thanks  Victoria King
---------
+ Hi Victoria, and welcome to our newsgroup. This place has only
been going for a couple of days, and already I see the membership is
growing in leaps and bounds. I feel pretty sure that if you keep your
eye on this place, someone sometime soon will be able to help you
out with your request. I'm hoping that eventually we will be able to
attract the best people on the Internet here, to hopefully share their
experiences with the beginners and the novices. There seems to be a
huge amount of people interested in transferring their Lp's-->Cd, and
as there was not one newsgroup dedicated to this endevour, I feel sure
this one is the first. So, hopefully, people will visit here, and
from the increased membership, there will be someone who can help
you out. Thanks for joining us here,
Regards...Graham   [list administrator]

I'll confess right off the bat that I am an utter novice to this
subject matter and am trying to find a way to transfer old and
precious albums to CD so I may enjoy them again.  I havent had a
turntable for years and I have all this celluloid just wasting away
in a closet.

I hope someone here can help me find a solution.  Preferably finding
out about anyone or anywhere that performs this service for a doofus
like me.

Thanks

Victoria King
hero@...

> I'd NEVER send an entire LP side through a filter to
> remove clicks. I
> insist on doing it by hand or not doing it at all.
>
> Why not? I use Cool Edit Pro, and it does an
excellent job of removing clicks.

Because I feel that the 16 bit digital transfer is
missing something from the original analog signal
anyway.  It's missing what is refered to as
"soundstage", that is the ambience of the recording.
You lose some of that with only 16bit 44.1 digital.
Then taking that signal and running it through a
filter, you than destroy more of the soundstage.  Even
digital EQ will do this.  So I do the EQ in analog
before going into my soundcard.  If you cabn gwet the
signal sounding right going in, you are always going
to be better off.  You can't send a dusty record
through a declicking program and end up with anything
I'd want into my collection.  If you do0 the
declicking by hand, you will have a better sounding CD
in the end.  But it takes a lot of work depending on
the amount of clicks you are going to need to deal
with.  But it will sound better by hand.
I run my files through Pristine Sounds

> 2000, which I
> find to be absolutely brilliant. No other programme
> that I know of has the ability to 'see' into the
bottom of the actual groove itself.

OK.

> One thing I haven't paid as much attention to as I
> probably should is
> getting my records cleaner prior to ripping them,
> but the filter
> process does such a darn good job of cleaning them
> for me that I've
> gotten lazy on that score. LOL!

If you are just playing the discs in the car or a
portable at work, it's all fine.  But I am trying to
do the ultimate remaster of rare Quadraphonic Lps, and
radio shows like KBFH.  I want the best and am willing
to do the work for it.

> ----------
I've also found that by not switching
> lights on + off,
> opening the 'fridge door or starting up anything
> with electric motors
> always helps in keeping the clicks + pops out. Those
> pesky little
> clicks + pops drive me crazy, so I'm always looking
> for ways to keep
> them out.......Graham

I have one amp that does not pick up any clicks from
other things in the house.  But another one hears them
all.  It just depends on the way the amp is wired
inside.  But some can filer it out.

Jeff
>
>
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Welcome to the list, Dan! You've definitely come to the right place. As
far as getting you started, I've bookmarked a few sites that I think are
pretty good for giving you the basics. Here are the links:

http://www.vinyl-restoration.f2s.com/

http://a.reny.free.fr/iexplorer/restauration.html

http://www.ganymede.hemscott.net/tutorial.htm

There's also another option  in case you're interested <warning:
shameless plug coming>.  I am having an article published on the subject
in Discoveries magazine in January 2002. That's a US music magazine, in
case you're not familiar with it. If you get a chance to read it, that
will hopefully pull all the pieces together for you.

I think from what's been posted here on the list, there are a quite a
few experienced people here who can give you pointers, so just feel free
to ask.


| My question - can anyone point me to a good source for someone like
me, who
| knows next to NOTHING about this process? I'm sure the
software/hardware
| manuals will help a little, but obviously I want to have some sense of
what
| I'm doing before I buy the stuff. I'm coming from a point of not
knowing if
| I need to buy an internal burner or an external unit, whether an lp
signal
| can be fed through a tuner into a soundcard, etc.  Any pointers would
be
| helpful! Thanks!!
|
| Dan

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Hi, Thanks for putting this list together! I am so new at LP-CDR
transferring that I don't even have a burner yet! I plan on purchasing the
necessary equipment within a few months. I will be using it to create CDs
from other CDs, but also to transfer vinyl recordings on to CD. I have many
old jazz lps that have not and most likely will never be released again in
any other format.

My question - can anyone point me to a good source for someone like me, who
knows next to NOTHING about this process? I'm sure the software/hardware
manuals will help a little, but obviously I want to have some sense of what
I'm doing before I buy the stuff. I'm coming from a point of not knowing if
I need to buy an internal burner or an external unit, whether an lp signal
can be fed through a tuner into a soundcard, etc.  Any pointers would be
helpful! Thanks!!

Dan

Here's a link to their website:
http://goldwave.com/

I tried it a long time ago but I just like Cool Edit Pro too much, I
guess. Still, Goldwave is one of the lowest cost sound editing software
available and has quite a lot of nice features for the money.


| + I don't believe I've ever come across a programme called Goldwave.
| Can you tell me a little about this programme?


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--- In TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup@y..., sinewwave@y...
I'm using GoldWave to record and edit.  It seems to be working very
well.
---------
+ I don't believe I've ever come across a programme called Goldwave.
Can you tell me a little about this programme? I mostly use Pristine
Sounds + SoundForge, which I've found to be very good, but I'm always
interested in looking at/trying other programmes which will make
life a little easier when it comes to editing .wav files.

From:  "Pat Wong" <Vinyl-Junkie@...>
Date:  Wed Nov 28, 2001  2:32 pm
Subject:  Removing Clicks
I'd NEVER send an entire LP side through a filter to remove clicks. I
insist on doing it by hand or not doing it at all.

Why not? I use Cool Edit Pro, and it does an excellent job of removing
clicks.
-----------------
+ Same here...I run my files through Pristine Sounds 2000, which I
find to be absolutely brilliant. No other programme that I know of
has the ability to 'see' into the bottom of the actual groove itself.
Also, Pristine has some great EQ's and FX and stuff.
---------
One thing I haven't paid as much attention to as I probably should is
getting my records cleaner prior to ripping them, but the filter
process does such a darn good job of cleaning them for me that I've
gotten lazy on that score. LOL!
----------
+ Yeah....getting them clean and the surface noise [noise floor]
reduced to the lowest possible level has always been a challenge for
me. I'm going to resist the temptation to push The Vinyl Solution
here <g>, but if anyone wants some information about it, all they have
to do is ask. I've also found that by not switching lights on + off,
opening the 'fridge door or starting up anything with electric motors
always helps in keeping the clicks + pops out. Those pesky little
clicks + pops drive me crazy, so I'm always looking for ways to keep
them out.......Graham

| I'd NEVER send an entire LP side through
| a filter to remove clicks.  I insist on doing it by hand or not doing
| it at all.


Why not? I use Cool Edit Pro, and it does an excellent job of removing
clicks. The ones that aren't totally removed by that filter process,
which is usually the case when a record is scratched, are easily removed
by hand.

One thing I haven't paid as much attention to as I probably should is
getting my records cleaner prior to ripping them, but the filter process
does such a darn good job of cleaning them for me that I've gotten lazy
on that score. LOL!


| I do the transfer, and I also do a scan of
| the LP cover and inner sleeve or lyric sheet.  The inner sleeve can
| make a good print for behind a clear CD case tray.  If you get the
| tray that is clear, and you put artwork from the inside of the LP
| cover in that, you really get a cool and professional looking CDR
| case.


Ah, the sleeves are something that I really enjoy working with, too.
What I generally do is make the front CD sleeve exactly as it appears on
the LP jacket, with the front and back pics on that front sleeve. For
the CD tray, I get a little more creative. I want to be able to read the
track listing on the back tray, which is sometimes difficult to do when
you've reduced the size of your original picture to jewel case size. I
reduce pictures or eliminate them altogether on the back tray, then
increase the size of the track listing. Here is an example of what I'm
talking about:

http://www.geocities.com/boogiechild2000/LPBeforeAndAfter.html?100695754
6750

BTW, I don't have any kind of fancy website. I mainly just use the space
for sharing stuff like this.

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| you'd be the first person here who knows how to do
| DVD's, and that should others who want to know how it's done.


Well since you asked, basically I record the DVD the same way that I do
an LP; that is, I have a stereo component DVD player so I play the DVD
from the stereo and record it into the computer. What you're getting
obviously is an analog recording but even so I think the sound quality
is great.

I also have a DVD player on my computer but I haven't figured out a way
of recording from that source. I think I might be able to use Total
Recorder to get the sound. Don't remember if I've tried that yet, but I
will soon and let the group know whether I was successful doing it that
way.

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--- In TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup@y..., "Pat Wong"
<Vinyl-Junkie@b...> wrote:
> Hi everyone, I think having a mailing list such as this is a
wonderful idea.
-----------
+ Hi Pat....yes, I'm hoping people who do Lp-->Cd transfers will
find this a useful place to visit.
------
> I've transferred quite a few of my LPs, cassettes, concert videos
and DVDs to CDR for a couple of years now, so you can probably tell
this is an area that I really have a keen interest in.
---------
+ Hey, this is excellent. I've only done Cd's, so having someone here
who knows how to transfer DVD's is excellent!
--------
I'm always open to any tips and tricks any of you have.
--------
+ Yep...this what this place is for...sharing tips and tricks.
------
> Perhaps I can even offer a few of my own to the group as well.
--------
+ Absolutely....you'd be the first person here who knows how to do
DVD's, and that should others who want to know how it's done.
------
> I don't intend to use this forum strictly as an advertising tool,
> but I am having an article on the transfer of recordings to CDR
published in the January 2002 issue of Discoveries magazine. If any
of
you get a chance to read that, I'd really be interested in your
feedback on it.
--------
+ Hey....that's ok...I'm the List Moderator, and I certainly welcome
anyone who can showcase their achievements, whether it be private,
commercial or whatever.
-------
> It's my very first paid publication! Can you believe that? I can
hardly believe it myself.
-------
+ This is excellent news Pat, and I congratulate you. Well done!
------
> Anyway, I just wanted to say hi to everyone. Hope to hear from you
soon.
---------
+ That's great Pat. I feel sure that as this place grows, we'll
probably be hearing from a lot of people, and I'm sure they'll be
interested in your publication. If for one would love to know how you
get on.
Regards.......Graham

--- In TheVinylSolutionDiscussionGroup@y..., sinewwave@y... wrote:
> I think this is a good idea.  I've transfered about 75 LPs to CDR.
> I'm getting better at it all the time.  I'm using GoldWave to
record
> and edit.  It seems to be working very well.  The only think is the
> click remover is had to understand.  So I am looking into other
> programs for that feature.  I'd NEVER send an entire LP side
through
> a filter to remove clicks.  I insist on doing it by hand or not
doing > it at all.
----------
+ Hi Jeff...I use Pristine Sounds, and I've found it to be
excellent. I've done entire albums from time to time, and the
results are great. I highly recommend Pristine Sounds.
---------
> I use Nero to burn, and TDK discs for blank media.
-------------
+ Mmmm...I sometimes use SoundForge's Cd Architect, and sometimes
Adaptec's Cd Creator. Both are good. Also, TDK discs are really good.
I use them whenever I can.
--------
> I love finding an old out of print LP that is still sealed and has
> not been released on CD.  I do the transfer, and I also do a scan
of
> the LP cover and inner sleeve or lyric sheet.
----------
+ I've been doing transfers for a long time, and I still find it very
exciting.
------
> The inner sleeve can make a good print for behind a clear CD case
tray.  If you get the tray that is clear, and you put artwork from
the
inside of the LP cover in that, you really get a cool and
professional
looking CDR case.
---------
+ Yep...being able to scan the covers makes a very Pro job.
-------
> If anyone has LPs that have not yet been released on CD, that they
> have transfered, I would perhaps be interested in a trade.  Feel
free to email me if you have a list.
> Jeff sinewwave@a...
---------
+ That's a great idea Jeff. I'm always interested in hearing new
music. The only trouble is, actually finding out what's been
released, and what hasn't. Anyway...it's great to see you here and
sharing your experiences with us all.
Graham

Something really weird happened to me the other night. I fitted a
different cartridge to my stereo, and for some strange reason, it
started to pick up FM radio signals. I cleaned all the
connectors...still got the interference. After fiddling around with
just about everything for a couple of hours, I discovered that when I
shortened the Earth coming from the turntable and screwed into the
case of my amplifier, the interference stopped altogether. I'm
guessing the longer Earth Lead acted as an aerial. Hope this helps
somebody  sometime....Graham

I think this is a good idea.  I've transfered about 75 LPs to CDR.
I'm getting better at it all the time.  I'm using GoldWave to record
and edit.  It seems to be working very well.  The only think is the
click remover is had to understand.  So I am looking into other
programs for that feature.  I'd NEVER send an entire LP side through
a filter to remove clicks.  I insist on doing it by hand or not doing
it at all.

I use Nero to burn, and TDK discs for blank media.

I love finding an old out of print LP that is still sealed and has
not been released on CD.  I do the transfer, and I also do a scan of
the LP cover and inner sleeve or lyric sheet.  The inner sleeve can
make a good print for behind a clear CD case tray.  If you get the
tray that is clear, and you put artwork from the inside of the LP
cover in that, you really get a cool and professional looking CDR
case.

If anyone has LPs that have not yet been released on CD, that they
have transfered, I would perhaps be interested in a trade.

feel free to email me if you have a list.

Jeff
sinewwave@...

Hi everyone,

I think having a mailing list such as this is a wonderful idea. I've
transferred quite a few of my LPs, cassettes, concert videos and DVDs to
CDR for a couple of years now, so you can probably tell this is an area
that I really have a keen interest in. I'm always open to any tips and
tricks any of you have. Perhaps I can even offer a few of my own to the
group as well.

I don't intend to use this forum strictly as an advertising tool, but I
am having an article on the transfer of recordings to CDR published in
the January 2002 issue of Discoveries magazine. If any of you get a
chance to read that, I'd really be interested in your feedback on it.
It's my very first paid publication! Can you believe that? I can hardly
believe it myself.

Anyway, I just wanted to say hi to everyone. Hope to hear from you soon.

~8^) Pat Wong (ICQ #61070813)

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This is the first message to The Vinyl Solution Newsgroup. My name is
Graham and I'm the guy who makes the product known as The Vinyl
Solution...[TVS] I think TVS is a very unique product because it's
one of the very few products available that's formulated specifically
to reduce the Surface Noise always associated with the playing or
recording of Vinyl Records. When transferring your Vinyl Records to
Cd, TVS can help to give you excellent results due to the dramatically
reduced Surface Noise. Static Electricity is also drastically reduced,
and, in most cases, totally eliminated. Many people get confused about
the difference between a clean record and a record that is friction
free. A clean record is certainly good enough to listen to, but when
it comes to the critical application of recording, then transferring
that record to Cd, the inherent Surface Noise is undesirable and, for
most people, simply unacceptable. No matter how clean a record is,
friction will always exist. This is where The Vinyl Solution comes
in. Even though it can be used as an excellent stand alone record
cleaner and will give you outstanding results, TVS's primary
objective is to reduce/eliminate the offensive Surface Noise one
encounters when performing Lp--->Cd transfers. This newsgroup is
intended to be a place where anyone, whether they use TVS or not, can
discuss the problems they encounter when they transfer their valuable
Vinyl Record collection to Cd. I also hope it can be a place where
people can discuss their recording techniques, the equipment they use,
what they consider to be good or bad, what works and what doesn't.
Hopefully it will develop into a place where people who are
interested in music can get in touch with others in regards to just
about anything from tracking down those hard to find records, to
looking for that cartridge/stylus which seems impossible to find. In
other words, I'm hoping it will be a Newsgroup/Bulletin Board for just
about anything related to getting your Vinyl Record collection
transferred to Cd with a minimum of fuss, and maybe we can all learn
something along the way.
Regards.....Graham  [TVS]