Stoneman in his report, OR, vol. 11, pt. 1, 423-424, states that his pursuit on
4 May included the 8th Illinois Cavalry but that regiment was at that time
assigned to Gen. Richardson's division of Sumner's Corps and only on 10 May
joined Stoneman, Hard, 107, 118, O'Neill, B&G, 41. Stoneman apparently erred in
his report. Emory did not mention the 8th Illinois in his report nor did Col
Averell, OR, vol. 11, pt. 1, 433-436. McClellan agrees with Emory, Report on the
Organization and Campaigns, 178-179. Unfortunately, some historians (Beatie)
have relied on Stoneman's apparently mistaken report.

Any experts out there for AOP May 62? BTW, I do have O'Neill (in all
iterations)and Hastings.

Larry

Greetings, folks.

The City of Hagerstown has recently produced a documentary for its cable
television station.   It is entitled "Valor in the Streets:  The Battle of
Hagerstown".   This 30-minute video relates the story of the July 6, 1863 Battle
of Hagerstown, likely the largest urban cavalry battle of the war, which
occurred on the retreat from Gettysburg.

It is modeled on the old "Civil War Journal" that was on the history channel,
with elements of news reporting.    Local resident and national television news
personality Kelly Wright is the narrator.   The production is a mix of historic
photos, interviews with historians (Frye, Hartwig, Harmon, Miller and
Wittenberg), CGI maps, and live action footage, including some that was staged
to relate specific stories in the script.

The roll-out showing is scheduled for 7 pm on Wednesday, July 6 (the 148th
anniversary of the battle) at the Bridge of Life Center, 14 South Potomac Street
in Hagerstown.   Tickets will be available later in the week at the visitor
center in downtown hagerstown.  When I hear how you can order them by phone, I
will submit a follow up post with that information.

Tickets are $5 each.

This production was made possible through grants from the following
organizations:

The Hagerstown Trust Division of the Columbia Bank
The Hagerstown - Washington County Convention and Visitors Bureau
and
The W.A. Hazel Construction Company

Stephen,

When will the program be available in DVD?

Larry




________________________________
From: Stephen <jeffcowvplanning@...>
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 11:29:41 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Documentary preview in Hagerstown

 
Greetings, folks.

The City of Hagerstown has recently produced a documentary for its cable
television station. It is entitled "Valor in the Streets: The Battle of
Hagerstown". This 30-minute video relates the story of the July 6, 1863 Battle
of Hagerstown, likely the largest urban cavalry battle of the war, which
occurred on the retreat from Gettysburg.

It is modeled on the old "Civil War Journal" that was on the history channel,
with elements of news reporting. Local resident and national television news
personality Kelly Wright is the narrator. The production is a mix of historic
photos, interviews with historians (Frye, Hartwig, Harmon, Miller and
Wittenberg), CGI maps, and live action footage, including some that was staged
to relate specific stories in the script.

The roll-out showing is scheduled for 7 pm on Wednesday, July 6 (the 148th
anniversary of the battle) at the Bridge of Life Center, 14 South Potomac Street
in Hagerstown. Tickets will be available later in the week at the visitor center
in downtown hagerstown. When I hear how you can order them by phone, I will
submit a follow up post with that information.

Tickets are $5 each.

This production was made possible through grants from the following
organizations:

The Hagerstown Trust Division of the Columbia Bank
The Hagerstown - Washington County Convention and Visitors Bureau
and
The W.A. Hazel Construction Company




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Please excuse this inappropriate post in advance but frankly I do not "post"
to any other CW site.
I have just completed the above mentioned book by James Loewen and Ed
Sebesta.
Having the pleasure of meeting and speaking to some of you, I would be
interested in any comments you may have on it?
Please email me privately with any comments.

david


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I did purchase the book on my visit to Antietam a couple of weeks ago.  I found
it immensely helpful.  Thank you!



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
wrote:
>
> Stu,
>
> There is a chapter in "Antietam Farmsteads" titled "John Otto Farm," pages
99-107, which should help a lot. The book is available through the bookstore.
>
> For more detailed info, you could consider visiting the ANB library.
>
> Larry
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <sjz1207@> wrote:
> >
> > Where I can find information on the Otto House and Farm in addition to it's
inhabitants at the time of the battle?
> >
> > Stu
> >
>

Stu,
You might also want to check out the Otto House video that, I believe,
was aired on public tv in Hagerstown back in 2008. I have the entire
series, but the episodes are too large for email. They were done by
Keven Walker, the house guru at ANB. Excellent work.

Dave McGowan



On 7/4/2011 7:12 PM, Stu wrote:
>
> I did purchase the book on my visit to Antietam a couple of weeks ago.
> I found it immensely helpful. Thank you!
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "eighth_conn_inf"
> <eighth_conn_inf@...> wrote:
> >
> > Stu,
> >
> > There is a chapter in "Antietam Farmsteads" titled "John Otto Farm,"
> pages 99-107, which should help a lot. The book is available through
> the bookstore.
> >
> > For more detailed info, you could consider visiting the ANB library.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stu" <sjz1207@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Where I can find information on the Otto House and Farm in
> addition to it's inhabitants at the time of the battle?
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> >
>
>

Stu,
Not to belabor the point, but you may want to check HABS for more
information on the Otto house and other Sharpsburg houses.
Go to HABS through search, then the state, then Washington County to
find all the houses, and the pictures Keven used in his book.  This link
MAY work:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/d?hh:60:./temp/~ammem_IAb6:

Dave


On 7/4/2011 8:27 PM, Dave wrote:
> Stu,
> You might also want to check out the Otto House video that, I believe,
> was aired on public tv in Hagerstown back in 2008. I have the entire
> series, but the episodes are too large for email. They were done by
> Keven Walker, the house guru at ANB. Excellent work.
>
> Dave McGowan
>
>
>
> On 7/4/2011 7:12 PM, Stu wrote:
>> I did purchase the book on my visit to Antietam a couple of weeks ago.
>> I found it immensely helpful. Thank you!
>>
>> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "eighth_conn_inf"
>> <eighth_conn_inf@...>  wrote:
>>> Stu,
>>>
>>> There is a chapter in "Antietam Farmsteads" titled "John Otto Farm,"
>> pages 99-107, which should help a lot. The book is available through
>> the bookstore.
>>> For more detailed info, you could consider visiting the ANB library.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stu"<sjz1207@>  wrote:
>>>> Where I can find information on the Otto House and Farm in
>> addition to it's inhabitants at the time of the battle?
>>>> Stu
>>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I bet I'll find these on the 'net somewhere.  What would be the episode number?

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
>
> Stu,
> You might also want to check out the Otto House video that, I believe,
> was aired on public tv in Hagerstown back in 2008. I have the entire
> series, but the episodes are too large for email. They were done by
> Keven Walker, the house guru at ANB. Excellent work.
>
> Dave McGowan
>
>
>
> On 7/4/2011 7:12 PM, Stu wrote:
> >
> > I did purchase the book on my visit to Antietam a couple of weeks ago.
> > I found it immensely helpful. Thank you!
> >
> > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "eighth_conn_inf"
> > <eighth_conn_inf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Stu,
> > >
> > > There is a chapter in "Antietam Farmsteads" titled "John Otto Farm,"
> > pages 99-107, which should help a lot. The book is available through
> > the bookstore.
> > >
> > > For more detailed info, you could consider visiting the ANB library.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stu" <sjz1207@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Where I can find information on the Otto House and Farm in
> > addition to it's inhabitants at the time of the battle?
> > > >
> > > > Stu
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

There were 10 episodes, and I think the host said the Otto house was the
last one, they were downloaded directly from their website. Worst comes
to worst, let me know and I'll burn and mail them all to you. My wife
really likes the houses and the civilian stories, she's working on a
genealogy of the Clipps now, of the Clipp house fame, it's an ongoing
project to prove how large the Clipp house was during the battle. Long
story.

Dave

On 7/4/2011 9:21 PM, Stu wrote:
>
> I bet I'll find these on the 'net somewhere. What would be the episode
> number?
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
> >
> > Stu,
> > You might also want to check out the Otto House video that, I believe,
> > was aired on public tv in Hagerstown back in 2008. I have the entire
> > series, but the episodes are too large for email. They were done by
> > Keven Walker, the house guru at ANB. Excellent work.
> >
> > Dave McGowan
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/4/2011 7:12 PM, Stu wrote:
> > >
> > > I did purchase the book on my visit to Antietam a couple of weeks
> ago.
> > > I found it immensely helpful. Thank you!
> > >
> > > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "eighth_conn_inf"
> > > <eighth_conn_inf@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Stu,
> > > >
> > > > There is a chapter in "Antietam Farmsteads" titled "John Otto
> Farm,"
> > > pages 99-107, which should help a lot. The book is available through
> > > the bookstore.
> > > >
> > > > For more detailed info, you could consider visiting the ANB library.
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stu" <sjz1207@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Where I can find information on the Otto House and Farm in
> > > addition to it's inhabitants at the time of the battle?
> > > > >
> > > > > Stu
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Dave;

Not sure if this will help you, but while I can not put my finger
on it, I seem to remember reading a long time ago that the Clipp
House was a tenement house on the overall Roulette Farm. The
space where the house stood is still visible... it is a small
rectangular plot right adjacent to the Lane about halfway or so
from the Bloody Lane to the Roulette House.

My best guess is that it would have been a simple log cabin type
structure.

Hope this helps??????

PS: Please clip long posts since it cuts down on bandwidth!!!


Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous

> -----Original Message-----
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 9:44 PM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Otto House and farm.
>
>
> There were 10 episodes, and I think the host said the
> Otto house was the
> last one, they were downloaded directly from their
> website. Worst comes
> to worst, let me know and I'll burn and mail them all
> to you. My wife
> really likes the houses and the civilian stories,
> she's working on a
> genealogy of the Clipps now, of the Clipp house fame,
> it's an ongoing
> project to prove how large the Clipp house was during
> the battle. Long
> story.
>
> Dave
>
>

Two episodes are online at:

http://www.antpod.com/archive.html?podcast_id=50



Tom Shay




----- Original Message -----


From: "Dave" <gewehr@...>
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 9:44:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Otto House and farm.

There were 10 episodes, and I think the host said the Otto house was the
last one, they were downloaded directly from their website. Worst comes
to worst, let me know and I'll burn and mail them all to you. My wife
really likes the houses and the civilian stories, she's working on a
genealogy of the Clipps now, of the Clipp house fame, it's an ongoing
project to prove how large the Clipp house was during the battle. Long
story.

Dave

> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>



------------------------------------


Yahoo! Groups Links





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Gerry, my wife is obsessed with the Clipp house.  We walked the area
thoroughly in May, took a bunch of measurements and the like.  She is
convinced that the house in the only existing picture was the "second
house", and that the wartime house with the "tall chimney" was pulled
down post-battle.  We have a map showing outbuildings and a fence.
There was an orchard there.  We've seen in other places that a second
house on a property is actually an earlier house for the owners, which
in many cases was substantial but not in keeping with their larger
family or prosperity.  She hopes to find more on the family and maybe
find some descendents who have oral history or pictures in the attic
(unlikely in pre-war times).  But, the failure of most regimental
histories to mention the house, along with other evidence, seems to be
against her.  Someday, she may be a female guide for the farms in the
area, maybe we could tag team, who knows?

But if it gets me on the field, I'm good.

Dave
(Sorry, I know better than to not Clipp my posts!)

On 7/4/2011 10:14 PM, G E Mayers wrote:
>
> Dave;
>
> Not sure if this will help you, but while I can not put my finger
> on it, I seem to remember reading a long time ago that the Clipp
> House was a tenement house on the overall Roulette Farm. The
> space where the house stood is still visible... it is a small
> rectangular plot right adjacent to the Lane about halfway or so
> from the Bloody Lane to the Roulette House.
>
> My best guess is that it would have been a simple log cabin type
> structure.
>
> Hope this helps??????
>
> PS: Please clip long posts since it cuts down on bandwidth!!!
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>

Tom and Stu, these are different segments than the ones I referred to.
They are newer and much more in depth, however the Otto farm is not
covered.  I emailed ACTV to see if there were more episodes, and how to
obtain the existing ones.  These new episodes are really excellent, and
good quality, well worth downloading.

Dave

On 7/5/2011 1:18 PM, RoteBaron@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Two episodes are online at:
>
> http://www.antpod.com/archive.html?podcast_id=50
>
> Tom Shay
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Dave" <gewehr@... <mailto:gewehr%40cinci.rr.com>>
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 9:44:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Otto House and farm.
>
> There were 10 episodes, and I think the host said the Otto house was the
> last one, they were downloaded directly from their website. Worst comes
> to worst, let me know and I'll burn and mail them all to you.
>

Dave,

I would suggest she contact the Antietam NBP Library... unfortunately the
Library is only open during the weekdays not weekends. The Library moved a
couple years ago from the basement of the Visitor Center to a rancher off
Maryland Rte 64. If you call the main number for the Antietam NBP (Visitor
Center), they might be able to give you the number for the Library.

When I was researching my historical fiction novel "None But Heroes", I
found much useful information about the Fourth NC in the Library, so you
might find some items of value about the Clipp farmstead etc.

What you mention about the lack of regimental or veteran commentary about
the farmstead at the time of the battle is worth looking into. If the house
was not there at the time of the battle, then why do the Carman/Cope maps
include it? Personally, I think it was a small log cabin or log/wood frame
dwelling in September 1862.


Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to
any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous

   -----Original Message-----
   From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Dave
   Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:01 PM
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Otto House and farm.



   Gerry, my wife is obsessed with the Clipp house. We walked the area
   thoroughly in May, took a bunch of measurements and the like. She is
   convinced that the house in the only existing picture was the "second
   house", and that the wartime house with the "tall chimney" was pulled
   down post-battle. We have a map showing outbuildings and a fence.
   There was an orchard there. We've seen in other places that a second
   house on a property is actually an earlier house for the owners, which
   in many cases was substantial but not in keeping with their larger
   family or prosperity. She hopes to find more on the family and maybe
   find some descendents who have oral history or pictures in the attic
   (unlikely in pre-war times). But, the failure of most regimental
   histories to mention the house, along with other evidence, seems to be
   against her. Someday, she may be a female guide for the farms in the
   area, maybe we could tag team, who knows?

   But if it gets me on the field, I'm good.

   Dave
   (Sorry, I know better than to not Clipp my posts!)

   On 7/4/2011 10:14 PM, G E Mayers wrote:
   >
   > Dave;
   >
   > Not sure if this will help you, but while I can not put my finger
   > on it, I seem to remember reading a long time ago that the Clipp
   > House was a tenement house on the overall Roulette Farm. The
   > space where the house stood is still visible... it is a small
   > rectangular plot right adjacent to the Lane about halfway or so
   > from the Bloody Lane to the Roulette House.
   >
   > My best guess is that it would have been a simple log cabin type
   > structure.
   >
   > Hope this helps??????
   >
   > PS: Please clip long posts since it cuts down on bandwidth!!!
   >
   > Yr. Obt. Svt.
   > G E "Gerry" Mayers
   >
   > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
   > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
   > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
   > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
   >






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Hello, Forum.

If anyone can shed light on the details of Brig Gen Alexander Lawton's disabling
wound on the morning of 9/17 I'd be grateful. My understanding is that he was
transported afterward to Ferry Hill but I've been unable to track down details
on where the wound occurred -- both on his body and on the field. It evidently
was so severe that he was unable to return to field command for the duration of
the war.

I'm aware of his appointment to CS QM Gen in 1863 but am mainly curious as to
what specifically took him out of action.

Thanks,

Steve

Steve Wrote:


Hello, Forum.

If anyone can shed light on the details of Brig Gen Alexander Lawton's disabling
wound on the morning of 9/17 I'd be grateful. My understanding is that he was
transported afterward to Ferry Hill but I've been unable to track down details
on where the wound occurred -- both on his body and on the field. It evidently
was so severe that he was unable to return to field command for the duration of
the war.

I'm aware of his appointment to CS QM Gen in 1863 but am mainly curious as to
what specifically took him out of action.

Thanks,

     Can’t help you with where on the field Lawton was injured but maybe this
will help with the nature of his medical problem:

Regards,

Teej



             ALEXANDER ROBERT LAWTON · Born November 4, 1818, in Beaufort
District, South Carolina. He graduated from USMA in 1839 and resigned from the
U.S. Army two years later to study law. He moved to Savannah, Georgia; besides
practicing the law, he was a railroad president and a member of the Georgia
legislature. His commission as brigadier general was confirmed in August 1861.
At the Battle of Sharpsburg on September 17, 1862, Lawton was severely wounded
in the leg and had to be borne off the field. He was taken to Henry Kyd
Douglas's father's home for care and then to Staunton, where his wife joined
him. During the first part of October he was moved to Jeremy F. Gilmer's
quarters in Richmond. Although the bone was injured, it was not broken, and the
wound appeared to heal well. However, he also suffered from nervous prostration
and a disordered condition of his stomach and bowels. The large amounts of
morphine he required made him nervous and restless, causing his wife to decide
that he needed a physician more than a surgeon. In addition, the wound was
complicated by a fever that was variously diagnosed as camp fever, typhoid, or
intermittent fever because it returned every four days. By the nineteenth of
October, the inflammation from Lawton's wound had extended down his leg almost
to the ankle. Under chloroform, the area was examined by a probe and a searching
needle. It was confirmed that no bones were broken but that the inflammation
below the wound was caused by a sinus tract that extended downward. A lance was
used at the lowest point to provide a vent for the accumulated pus, and a "tent"
or "seton" was inserted to keep it open. Within a few days, after drainage of
the area, Lawton improved and suffered mainly from the restlessness and
confusion produced by the opiates he was given. All of the family helped with
his care, and he ate oysters and beefsteak and drank eggnogs. He continued to
have an elevated temperature, which Jeremy F. Gilmer blamed on his diet. In
December, Lawton and his wife left Richmond for Savannah. By the end of the
month, he still could not use the leg or foot and was on crutches. In May 1863
he thought his health was sufficiently restored to return to duty. He sat in on
the examinations at Virginia Military Institute, and his increased efforts to
walk produced some lameness. In July he stopped at Rockbridge Bath, Virginia,
for the benefit of the hot water on his legs. He was placed in command of the
Quartermaster General's Department in the fall of 1863. Following the end of
hostilities he returned to Georgia and had a major role in state and national
politics. In March 1875, because of illness and duties with the legislature, he
was unable to keep up with his correspondence. 1. He died July 2, 1896, at
Clifton Springs, New York, and was buried at Savannah in Bonaventure Cemetery.

             ____________________ 1.  CSR; OR, vol. 19, pt. 1:147, 923, 956, 968,
pt. 2:683-84; A. Porter to J. F. Gilmer, Sept. 27, 1862, Sally (Mrs. A. W.
Lawton) to J. F. Gilmer, Oct. 2, 1862, J. F. Gilmer to Mrs. J. F. Gilmer, Oct.
16, 19, 22, Dec. 25, 1862, and Mrs. J. F. Gilmer to J. F. Gilmer, Dec. 31, 1862,
all in Jeremy F. Gilmer Papers, SHC; William W. Mackall to wife, Oct. 2, 1862,
in W. W. Mackall Papers, SHC; Alexander R. Lawton to Jos. E. Johnston, Mar. 11,
1875, in Joseph E. Johnston Papers, CWM; Douglas, I Rode with Stonewall, 168;
Warner, Generals in Gray, 175-76.

             -130-



Questia, a part of Gale, Cengage Learning. www.questia.com

Publication Information: Book Title: Medical Histories of Confederate Generals.
Contributors: Jack D. Welsh - author. Publisher: Kent State University Press.
Place of Publication: Kent, OH. Publication Year: 1995. Page Number: 130.



.



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Thank you, Teej.

This is great information and fills in many blanks. I couldn't help but to draw
a parallel to Lawton's poor diet of oysters, beefsteak and eggnog allegedly
contributing to his slow recovery, as Elizabeth Pry claimed that Israel
Richardson's sweet tooth, while recovering in her home, supposedly led to his
demise. But that's an entirely different topic...

Much obliged,

Steve

Steve,

One of the mysteries surrounding Dick Richardson's death was the nature of
his wounding while trying to get or direct artillery fire on the
Confederates in the Sunken Road.... Do you know precisely what the wound was
that eventually killed him?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to
any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous

   -----Original Message-----
   From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of cowie_steve
   Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 8:06 PM
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Wounding of Alexander Lawton



   Thank you, Teej.

   This is great information and fills in many blanks. I couldn't help but to
draw a parallel to Lawton's poor diet of oysters, beefsteak and eggnog
allegedly contributing to his slow recovery, as Elizabeth Pry claimed that
Israel Richardson's sweet tooth, while recovering in her home, supposedly
led to his demise. But that's an entirely different topic...

   Much obliged,

   Steve






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Hi, Gerry.

Good question as discrepancies abound regarding Richardson's wound. Pierro's
Carman describes a ball of spherical case hitting the general; Schildt has a
shell fragment hitting Richardson's hip; an undocumented source in my notes
places the wound in the ribs; Krick wrote that a piece of shell struck
Richardson, "mangling his shoulder." I'd like to hear what others in the forum
have found.

Steve

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> One of the mysteries surrounding Dick Richardson's death was the nature of
> his wounding while trying to get or direct artillery fire on the
> Confederates in the Sunken Road.... Do you know precisely what the wound was
> that eventually killed him?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
> mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to
> any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of cowie_steve
>   Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 8:06 PM
>   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Wounding of Alexander Lawton
>
>
>
>   Thank you, Teej.
>
>   This is great information and fills in many blanks. I couldn't help but to
> draw a parallel to Lawton's poor diet of oysters, beefsteak and eggnog
> allegedly contributing to his slow recovery, as Elizabeth Pry claimed that
> Israel Richardson's sweet tooth, while recovering in her home, supposedly
> led to his demise. But that's an entirely different topic...
>
>   Much obliged,
>
>   Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Regarding Richardson.

Jack C. Mason in his Until Antietam: The Life and Letters of Major General
Israel B. Richardson, U.S. Army (Carbondale, Illinois: Southern Illinois
University Press, 2009) has this account:

"Richardson was struck in the upper part of his left shoulder by a shell
fragment, which passed downward, possibly penetrating his left lung, inflicting
a severe wound." p. 189

Once removed to the Pry House, "the doctors tried to remove the fragment of
shell that was buried deep within Richardson's chest. His surgeon, Dr. J.H.
Taylor, probed seven inches for the metal but was unable to reach it. His fear
and the medical opinion was that the fragment had passed into the cavity of the
left lung, which must eventually produce his death." p. 192

"Early on, Richardson suffered from an attack of pneumonia, which seemed to
confirm the fact that his lung had been critically damaged and the case would be
fatal. When he was able to fight off the pneumonia and show progress in his
recovery, the experts began to think there was a chance for his survival." p.
193

Once past the pneumonia, he appeared to be making progress on his recovery. His
sister Marcella wrote, "'Israel improves slowly but surely. The Dr. says he has
had continual drawbacks--only slight, but still they keep him weak--and in bed,
he has not set up for a week. His pulse is good, sleeps most of the time, has a
little more appetite, takes very little medicine. His wound is nearly well;
gives him no pain or uneasiness now. ..." pp. 193-194

"By the end of October, still at the Pry house, Richardson's condition was
starting to deteriorate. An infection to the wound had set in, and Dr. Taylor
became very concerned. The doctor noted, 'His nervous system is much shocked. So
much so that he makes no effort to rally, and has himself given up all hopes for
recovery.' Soon it became clear that the infection would be fatal, as Richardson
gradually weakened. ... Finally, on the evening of November 3, at half past
seven, Major General Israel Bush Richardson succumbed to his wound and died." p.
196.

On Jul 8, 2011, at 7:48 AM, cowie_steve wrote:

> Hi, Gerry.
>
> Good question as discrepancies abound regarding Richardson's wound. Pierro's
Carman describes a ball of spherical case hitting the general; Schildt has a
shell fragment hitting Richardson's hip; an undocumented source in my notes
places the wound in the ribs; Krick wrote that a piece of shell struck
Richardson, "mangling his shoulder." I'd like to hear what others in the forum
have found.
>
> Steve
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > One of the mysteries surrounding Dick Richardson's death was the nature of
> > his wounding while trying to get or direct artillery fire on the
> > Confederates in the Sunken Road.... Do you know precisely what the wound was
> > that eventually killed him?
> >
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
> > mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to
> > any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On
> > Behalf Of cowie_steve
> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 8:06 PM
> > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Wounding of Alexander Lawton
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Teej.
> >
> > This is great information and fills in many blanks. I couldn't help but to
> > draw a parallel to Lawton's poor diet of oysters, beefsteak and eggnog
> > allegedly contributing to his slow recovery, as Elizabeth Pry claimed that
> > Israel Richardson's sweet tooth, while recovering in her home, supposedly
> > led to his demise. But that's an entirely different topic...
> >
> > Much obliged,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

James;

Apparently we did not know there was such a book. Thank you very
much for basically putting an end to the discrepancies. So it
appears, IIRC;, Krick was right!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous

> -----Original Message-----
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> James Buchanan
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:23 AM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Wounding of "Greasy
> Dick" Richardson was
> A R Lawton Wounding
>
>
> Regarding Richardson.
>
> Jack C. Mason in his Until Antietam: The Life and
> Letters of Major General Israel B. Richardson, U.S.
> Army (Carbondale, Illinois: Southern Illinois
> University Press, 2009) has this account:
>
> "Richardson was struck in the upper part of his left
> shoulder by a shell fragment, which passed downward,
> possibly penetrating his left lung, inflicting a
> severe wound." p. 189
>
> Once removed to the Pry House, "the doctors tried to
> remove the fragment of shell that was buried deep
> within Richardson's chest. His surgeon, Dr. J.H.
> Taylor, probed seven inches for the metal but was
> unable to reach it. His fear and the medical opinion
> was that the fragment had passed into the cavity of
> the left lung, which must eventually produce his death." p. 192
>
> "Early on, Richardson suffered from an attack of
> pneumonia, which seemed to confirm the fact that his
> lung had been critically damaged and the case would be
> fatal. When he was able to fight off the pneumonia and
> show progress in his recovery, the experts began to
> think there was a chance for his survival." p. 193
>
> Once past the pneumonia, he appeared to be making
> progress on his recovery. His sister Marcella wrote,
> "'Israel improves slowly but surely. The Dr. says he
> has had continual drawbacks--only slight, but still
> they keep him weak--and in bed, he has not set up for
> a week. His pulse is good, sleeps most of the time,
> has a little more appetite, takes very little
> medicine. His wound is nearly well; gives him no pain
> or uneasiness now. ..." pp. 193-194
>
> "By the end of October, still at the Pry house,
> Richardson's condition was starting to deteriorate. An
> infection to the wound had set in, and Dr. Taylor
> became very concerned. The doctor noted, 'His nervous
> system is much shocked. So much so that he makes no
> effort to rally, and has himself given up all hopes
> for recovery.' Soon it became clear that the infection
> would be fatal, as Richardson gradually weakened. ...
> Finally, on the evening of November 3, at half past
> seven, Major General Israel Bush Richardson succumbed
> to his wound and died." p. 196.
>
> On Jul 8, 2011, at 7:48 AM, cowie_steve wrote:
>
> > Hi, Gerry.
> >
> > Good question as discrepancies abound regarding
> Richardson's wound. Pierro's Carman describes a ball
> of spherical case hitting the general; Schildt has a
> shell fragment hitting Richardson's hip; an
> undocumented source in my notes places the wound in
> the ribs; Krick wrote that a piece of shell struck
> Richardson, "mangling his shoulder." I'd like to hear
> what others in the forum have found.
> >
> > Steve
> >
>

Antietam folks..

This is a little off topic, but in the same ballpark (Washington County Military
History).

I have located the uniform of Captain George L. Fisher, commander of Company B,
1st Maryland Infantry, Spanish-American War.  Consists of the M1895 blue tunic
and sky blue trousers with white stripe.  Company B was the Hagerstown company
of the Maryland National Guard.  The 1st Maryland was mobilized for the war, but
was not sent overseas and did not see combat.

The owner wants $759 for it...I can't swing that by myself.  This is an
important Washington County military heritage artifact.  It belongs in the
Washington County Historical Society.  I have emailed the owner asking if they'd
accept less knowing it would go to a museum in the owner's hometown, but I
haven't heard back yet.  And actually, $759 isn't a bad price for these
artifacts.

I started passing the hat among friends yesterday, and already have commitments
for $250.   Would like to find 10 more $50 donations to seal the deal (or fewer
if the owner drops the price).   Any contribution, however is happily accepted. 
Since it will be going to the WCHS, your donation toward the effort will be tax
deductible.

If there is anyone here who would like to pitch in, please let me know.  Thanks.

Steve Bockmiller

Hey Steve,
I can probably kick in $50.  Let me know what transpires.

________________________________
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
Stephen [jeffcowvplanning@...]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:28 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Passing Hat for Important Museum Artifact



Antietam folks..

This is a little off topic, but in the same ballpark (Washington County Military
History).

I have located the uniform of Captain George L. Fisher, commander of Company B,
1st Maryland Infantry, Spanish-American War. Consists of the M1895 blue tunic
and sky blue trousers with white stripe. Company B was the Hagerstown company of
the Maryland National Guard. The 1st Maryland was mobilized for the war, but was
not sent overseas and did not see combat.

The owner wants $759 for it...I can't swing that by myself. This is an important
Washington County military heritage artifact. It belongs in the Washington
County Historical Society. I have emailed the owner asking if they'd accept less
knowing it would go to a museum in the owner's hometown, but I haven't heard
back yet. And actually, $759 isn't a bad price for these artifacts.

I started passing the hat among friends yesterday, and already have commitments
for $250. Would like to find 10 more $50 donations to seal the deal (or fewer if
the owner drops the price). Any contribution, however is happily accepted. Since
it will be going to the WCHS, your donation toward the effort will be tax
deductible.

If there is anyone here who would like to pitch in, please let me know. Thanks.

Steve Bockmiller





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I recently heard from a park worker that the Piper Lane trail will probably not
be completed to Bloody Lane (Richardson Ave.) before the 150th because that area
is used by livestock. Apparently fencing them out but still giving access to
fields on both sides of the trail will not be easy.

Too bad.

Work is progressing on a trail from the Newcomer House, however, leading up to
the ridge where Union horse artillery was located on 17 September. It will be
complete with picnic tables from what I was told.

Any news on the new trail sponsored by SHAF up to the NY/Conn. monuments near HF
Road? Weather has been a bit warm to do heavy outside work.
Larry

Will the trail to the 8th CT/ 9th NY monuments follow a route from the Lower
Bridge towards the Harpers Ferry road?
 
Matt

--- On Sat, 7/23/11, eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...> wrote:


From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Piper Farm Trail News
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 5:37 PM


 



I recently heard from a park worker that the Piper Lane trail will probably not
be completed to Bloody Lane (Richardson Ave.) before the 150th because that area
is used by livestock. Apparently fencing them out but still giving access to
fields on both sides of the trail will not be easy.

Too bad.

Work is progressing on a trail from the Newcomer House, however, leading up to
the ridge where Union horse artillery was located on 17 September. It will be
complete with picnic tables from what I was told.

Any news on the new trail sponsored by SHAF up to the NY/Conn. monuments near HF
Road? Weather has been a bit warm to do heavy outside work.
Larry








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Matt,

Tom Clemens, SHAF's president, will have the details but SHAF'S June 2011
newsletter said that the plan is to have a walking trail branching off the Final
Attack Trail up the hill across the Ninth Corps assault field to connect with
the paved path leading to the 9th NY and 8th CT monuments. The Oct. 29th workday
will involve this new trail. I don't know if any work has been done on this
trail yet but I do know from my stints at the Newcomer House that the trail from
there is in progress.

Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Matt Reardon <mreardon1862@...> wrote:
>
> Will the trail to the 8th CT/ 9th NY monuments follow a route from the Lower
Bridge towards the Harpers Ferry road?
>  
> Matt
>
> --- On Sat, 7/23/11, eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Piper Farm Trail News
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 5:37 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I recently heard from a park worker that the Piper Lane trail will probably
not be completed to Bloody Lane (Richardson Ave.) before the 150th because that
area is used by livestock. Apparently fencing them out but still giving access
to fields on both sides of the trail will not be easy.
>
> Too bad.
>
> Work is progressing on a trail from the Newcomer House, however, leading up to
the ridge where Union horse artillery was located on 17 September. It will be
complete with picnic tables from what I was told.
>
> Any news on the new trail sponsored by SHAF up to the NY/Conn. monuments near
HF Road? Weather has been a bit warm to do heavy outside work.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks Larry.  Correct, nothing started yet.  Ed Wenshhof, the Acting Supt.
agreed to reserve it for us.  SHAF is also paying for all expenses related to
its construction.
________________________________
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
eighth_conn_inf [eighth_conn_inf@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:37 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Piper Farm Trail News



Matt,

Tom Clemens, SHAF's president, will have the details but SHAF'S June 2011
newsletter said that the plan is to have a walking trail branching off the Final
Attack Trail up the hill across the Ninth Corps assault field to connect with
the paved path leading to the 9th NY and 8th CT monuments. The Oct. 29th workday
will involve this new trail. I don't know if any work has been done on this
trail yet but I do know from my stints at the Newcomer House that the trail from
there is in progress.

Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, Matt
Reardon <mreardon1862@...> wrote:
>
> Will the trail to the 8th CT/ 9th NY monuments follow a route from the Lower
Bridge towards the Harpers Ferry road?
> Â
> Matt
>
> --- On Sat, 7/23/11, eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Piper Farm Trail News
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 5:37 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> I recently heard from a park worker that the Piper Lane trail will probably
not be completed to Bloody Lane (Richardson Ave.) before the 150th because that
area is used by livestock. Apparently fencing them out but still giving access
to fields on both sides of the trail will not be easy.
>
> Too bad.
>
> Work is progressing on a trail from the Newcomer House, however, leading up to
the ridge where Union horse artillery was located on 17 September. It will be
complete with picnic tables from what I was told.
>
> Any news on the new trail sponsored by SHAF up to the NY/Conn. monuments near
HF Road? Weather has been a bit warm to do heavy outside work.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gang,

The other evening while reading the chapter on Antietam in Ed
Bears's book "Fields of Honor", it occurred to me that rarely do
you see anything indicated in the literature as to the actual
width (fence to fence) of the Hagerstown Turnpike in September
1862. You see photos showing the Turnpike, most notably the dead
of Starke's Louisiana Brigade, taken on September 19th by
Alexander Gardner, and the six rail fences that bordered each
side in the literature but nothing about the actual width.

So my question becomes, How wide was the Turnpike actually? Could
two wagons pass each other north to south or was the road space
only about a wagon width wide? Could a column of infantry massed
eight across have marched on the pike or would a traditional
column of four been best?

Thanks for the help!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous

It was pretty narrow.  Two wagons could pass, but not much more.  The fences
were close, much closer that the way they have it now.  They fenced it keep out
animals as muh as to restrict usage.


________________________________________
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of G
E Mayers [gerry1952@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:46 PM
To: TalkAntietam Group
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Question re Width of Hagerstown Turnpike

Gang,

The other evening while reading the chapter on Antietam in Ed
Bears's book "Fields of Honor", it occurred to me that rarely do
you see anything indicated in the literature as to the actual
width (fence to fence) of the Hagerstown Turnpike in September
1862. You see photos showing the Turnpike, most notably the dead
of Starke's Louisiana Brigade, taken on September 19th by
Alexander Gardner, and the six rail fences that bordered each
side in the literature but nothing about the actual width.

So my question becomes, How wide was the Turnpike actually? Could
two wagons pass each other north to south or was the road space
only about a wagon width wide? Could a column of infantry massed
eight across have marched on the pike or would a traditional
column of four been best?

Thanks for the help!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous



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