Hi all, my wife is still studying the farms around Sharpsburg and on the
field.  She has been using Farmsteads, and was wondering about the Clipp
Farm on the Roulette lane.  I called the VC for her yesterday, Mannie
Gentile said they knew little about it, it didn't have substantial
buildings and was gone early, probably simply a tenant on the Roulette
place.  Does anyone have any more info?  Pictures?  Can you point her in
a direction?

Many thanks, as always

Dave McGowan

David,
The NPS give you more detail if you talk to the Cultural Resources people, Kevin
Walker is the contact.  I can tell you the info Mannie gave you is correct. 
There is a picture of it, and look for it in Stephen Recker's upcoming book on
photography of the field after the battle.  It was a small simplee dwelling, and
nohing really remains of it.

________________________________
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
Dave [gewehr@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:27 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Clipp Farm



Hi all, my wife is still studying the farms around Sharpsburg and on the
field. She has been using Farmsteads, and was wondering about the Clipp
Farm on the Roulette lane. I called the VC for her yesterday, Mannie
Gentile said they knew little about it, it didn't have substantial
buildings and was gone early, probably simply a tenant on the Roulette
place. Does anyone have any more info? Pictures? Can you point her in
a direction?

Many thanks, as always

Dave McGowan




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tom and Dave,

Tom is right in that nothing remains of the Clipp farmstead and in that it was a
tenement house. IIRC the site of the house's location is the small slightly
rectangular raised area just off the Roulette Lane on the left approximately
half-way between the Sunken Road and the Roulette House itself.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to any
foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous

> -----Original Message-----
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> Thomas G. Clemens
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 7:18 PM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Clipp Farm
>
>
> David,
> The NPS give you more detail if you talk to the
> Cultural Resources people, Kevin Walker is the
> contact.  I can tell you the info Mannie gave you is
> correct.  There is a picture of it, and look for it in
> Stephen Recker's upcoming book on photography of the
> field after the battle.  It was a small simplee
> dwelling, and nohing really remains of it.
>
> ________________________________
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Dave
> [gewehr@...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:27 PM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Clipp Farm
>
>
>
> Hi all, my wife is still studying the farms around
> Sharpsburg and on the
> field. She has been using Farmsteads, and was
> wondering about the Clipp
> Farm on the Roulette lane. I called the VC for her
> yesterday, Mannie
> Gentile said they knew little about it, it didn't have
> substantial
> buildings and was gone early, probably simply a tenant
> on the Roulette
> place. Does anyone have any more info? Pictures? Can
> you point her in
> a direction?
>
> Many thanks, as always
>
> Dave McGowan
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Tom,

Saw on the Washington County Atlas 1877 on Whilbr website a toll house label
north of the pike vice south. Only firm evidence so far. Here is the link:

http://whilbr.org/Image.aspx?photo=wcia053s.jpg&idEntry=3497&title=Sharpsburg+-+\
District+No.+1

Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas G. Clemens" <tgclemens@...> wrote:
>
> Not much, a local painting showing a bar and calling it a toll gate  house.
> ________________________________________
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
eighth_conn_inf [eighth_conn_inf@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:38 PM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam
>
> Tom,
>
> The new "Antietam Farmsteads" book (pg. 114) describes the small stone house
which is now gone on the east side of the creek and south side of the pike as
the toll house ("thought to be a toll house." That is also how Frassanito (pg.
85) described it ("may have been").
>
> Do you have info showing that the wooden house was the toll house vice the
stone house?
>
> Larry
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Thomas G. Clemens" <tgclemens@> wrote:
> >
> > The Gardner photo shows the frame house on the east side of the creek which
was in deed a tollgate house. It has been extensively remodeled recently, and
sadly because SHAF had the second contract on it, and would have donated it to
the NPS to restore. The center section is original to the time of the battle.
The toll was for the use of the road in general and not specifically for the
bridge. The next toll was in Sharpsburg, which is why the Sunken Road was used
by locals wishing to avoid tolls whilst traversing to the mill and back with
their crops.
> >
> >
> > From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of G E Mayers
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:53 AM
> > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > There is a famous photo of the Middle Bridge taken by Alexander Gardner
which is in Frassanito's book on Antietam. IIRC it shows a small stone building
on one side of the Boonsboro Pike which was, I believe, used as a toll booth.
> >
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to any
foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "eighth_conn_inf"
<eighth_conn_inf@<mailto:eighth_conn_inf%40yahoo.com>>
> > To:
<TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Talk\
Antietam%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:48 AM
> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Thanks for this detailed information. I will use it in my chapter on the
cavalry at Antietam if that is OK with you.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > --- In
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, Jim Rosebrock <pointsalines@> wrote:
> > >
> > > In my research, I did not see any indication that they were toll bridges,
at
> > > least the bridges built in the Sharpsburg area. The first of the "Antietam
> > > Bridges" was the Middle Bridge was constructed at Major Christian
Orndorff�?Ts
> > > mill by Silas Harry for $1,800. Next came the upper bridge built near
Samuel
> > > Hitt's mill by John Weaver in 1829 for $1,413.66. In 1832, the four arch
bridge
> > > was built near the mouth of the Antietam where it empties into the
Potomac.
> > > This one is a bit further south connecting Sharpsburg with Harpers Ferry.
It
> > > was also built by Samuel Weaver. Finally in 1833, the County Commissioners
> > > appointed a committee for �?oviewing the site of a bridge over the
Antietam on
> > > the Sharpsburg and Maple Swamp road�?�. The contract for building this
Antietam
> > > bridge again went to John Weaver at a cost of $2300. It is the most well
known
> > > of the Antietam bridges. Known at various times as the Rohrbach, or Lower
> > > Bridge, history now accords it the name Burnside Bridge.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@>
> > > To:
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 9:04:31 PM
> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are still looking for bridge info:
> > >
> > > There is a book which gives details about the bridges over the Antietam
which
> > > can be read on-line:
> > >
> > > Helen Ashe Hays, "The Antietam and Its Bridges: The Annals of an Historic
> > > Stream," (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1910.
> > >
> > > Link:
http://www.archive.org/stream/antietamitsbridg00haysuoft#page/166/mode/1up
> > >
> > > I saw this on Jim Rosebrock's blog:
> > >
http://southfromthenorthwoods.blogspot.com/2009/07/there-are-actually-five-bridg\
es-that.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > --- In
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "James" <JWD2044@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My understanding is that the bridges were built by companies, were they
toll
> > > >bridges?
> > > >
> > > > One connected to the National Road and the other two seem to have been
built to
> > > >give access to the town.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Right, that is what I based my opinion on. Ther is also a lot of local lore that
teh frame house was the tool house.  The old road is what is now the driveway to
the frame house.  Had forgotten Fras got that wrong.  Kevin Walker at Antietam
may have more info.

________________________________
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
eighth_conn_inf [eighth_conn_inf@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:06 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam




Tom,

Saw on the Washington County Atlas 1877 on Whilbr website a toll house label
north of the pike vice south. Only firm evidence so far. Here is the link:

http://whilbr.org/Image.aspx?photo=wcia053s.jpg&idEntry=3497&title=Sharpsburg+-+\
District+No.+1

Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Thomas G. Clemens" <tgclemens@...> wrote:
>
> Not much, a local painting showing a bar and calling it a toll gate house.
> ________________________________________
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
[TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>] on behalf
of eighth_conn_inf [eighth_conn_inf@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:38 PM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam
>
> Tom,
>
> The new "Antietam Farmsteads" book (pg. 114) describes the small stone house
which is now gone on the east side of the creek and south side of the pike as
the toll house ("thought to be a toll house." That is also how Frassanito (pg.
85) described it ("may have been").
>
> Do you have info showing that the wooden house was the toll house vice the
stone house?
>
> Larry
>
> --- In
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "Thomas G. Clemens" <tgclemens@> wrote:
> >
> > The Gardner photo shows the frame house on the east side of the creek which
was in deed a tollgate house. It has been extensively remodeled recently, and
sadly because SHAF had the second contract on it, and would have donated it to
the NPS to restore. The center section is original to the time of the battle.
The toll was for the use of the road in general and not specifically for the
bridge. The next toll was in Sharpsburg, which is why the Sunken Road was used
by locals wishing to avoid tolls whilst traversing to the mill and back with
their crops.
> >
> >
> > From:
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mail\
to:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of G E Mayers
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:53 AM
> > To:
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > There is a famous photo of the Middle Bridge taken by Alexander Gardner
which is in Frassanito's book on Antietam. IIRC it shows a small stone building
on one side of the Boonsboro Pike which was, I believe, used as a toll booth.
> >
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to any
foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "eighth_conn_inf"
<eighth_conn_inf@<mailto:eighth_conn_inf%40yahoo.com>>
> > To:
<TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Talk\
Antietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:48 AM
> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Thanks for this detailed information. I will use it in my chapter on the
cavalry at Antietam if that is OK with you.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > --- In
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, Jim Rosebrock
<pointsalines@> wrote:
> > >
> > > In my research, I did not see any indication that they were toll bridges,
at
> > > least the bridges built in the Sharpsburg area. The first of the "Antietam
> > > Bridges" was the Middle Bridge was constructed at Major Christian
Orndorff�?Ts
> > > mill by Silas Harry for $1,800. Next came the upper bridge built near
Samuel
> > > Hitt's mill by John Weaver in 1829 for $1,413.66. In 1832, the four arch
bridge
> > > was built near the mouth of the Antietam where it empties into the
Potomac.
> > > This one is a bit further south connecting Sharpsburg with Harpers Ferry.
It
> > > was also built by Samuel Weaver. Finally in 1833, the County Commissioners
> > > appointed a committee for �?oviewing the site of a bridge over the
Antietam on
> > > the Sharpsburg and Maple Swamp road�?�. The contract for building this
Antietam
> > > bridge again went to John Weaver at a cost of $2300. It is the most well
known
> > > of the Antietam bridges. Known at various times as the Rohrbach, or Lower
> > > Bridge, history now accords it the name Burnside Bridge.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@>
> > > To:
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 9:04:31 PM
> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Question on the Bridges over the Antietam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are still looking for bridge info:
> > >
> > > There is a book which gives details about the bridges over the Antietam
which
> > > can be read on-line:
> > >
> > > Helen Ashe Hays, "The Antietam and Its Bridges: The Annals of an Historic
> > > Stream," (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1910.
> > >
> > > Link:
http://www.archive.org/stream/antietamitsbridg00haysuoft#page/166/mode/1up
> > >
> > > I saw this on Jim Rosebrock's blog:
> > >
http://southfromthenorthwoods.blogspot.com/2009/07/there-are-actually-five-bridg\
es-that.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > --- In
TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkA\
ntietam%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "James"
<JWD2044@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My understanding is that the bridges were built by companies, were they
toll
> > > >bridges?
> > > >
> > > > One connected to the National Road and the other two seem to have been
built to
> > > >give access to the town.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Has anyone read this book or used it as a reference? I have not seen it and I
can't read it online. Before I consider buying it I'm curious about its value as
a resource. I see Harsh and other have cited it. I've read that it compares to
John Casler in that it is "light and witty."

Unfortunately, buying a reprint will cost me at about $75.

Thank's for your input,

Larry

Have you tried to see if Internet Archive has it?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to
any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous

   -----Original Message-----
   From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of eighth_conn_inf
   Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:00 PM
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] The Comanches: A History of White's Battalion,
Virginia Cavalry by Frank M. Myer



   Has anyone read this book or used it as a reference? I have not seen it
and I can't read it online. Before I consider buying it I'm curious about
its value as a resource. I see Harsh and other have cited it. I've read that
it compares to John Casler in that it is "light and witty."

   Unfortunately, buying a reprint will cost me at about $75.

   Thank's for your input,

   Larry






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Larry, I think I have it at home.  If so, I will be happy to loan it to you or
copy pertinent portions.
Tom

From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of eighth_conn_inf
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:00 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] The Comanches: A History of White's Battalion, Virginia
Cavalry by Frank M. Myer



Has anyone read this book or used it as a reference? I have not seen it and I
can't read it online. Before I consider buying it I'm curious about its value as
a resource. I see Harsh and other have cited it. I've read that it compares to
John Casler in that it is "light and witty."

Unfortunately, buying a reprint will cost me at about $75.

Thank's for your input,

Larry



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gerry,

I checked the three sites I know of including that one:

http://books.google.com/books?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8

http://www.archive.org/index.php

http://openlibrary.org/

This one helps find hard copies:

http://www.worldcat.org/

And this site sometimes is helpful:

http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/


If anyone knows of other websites please let me know.

Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
>
> Have you tried to see if Internet Archive has it?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
> mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to
> any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of eighth_conn_inf
>   Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:00 PM
>   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [TalkAntietam] The Comanches: A History of White's Battalion,
> Virginia Cavalry by Frank M. Myer
>
>
>
>   Has anyone read this book or used it as a reference? I have not seen it
> and I can't read it online. Before I consider buying it I'm curious about
> its value as a resource. I see Harsh and other have cited it. I've read that
> it compares to John Casler in that it is "light and witty."
>
>   Unfortunately, buying a reprint will cost me at about $75.
>
>   Thank's for your input,
>
>   Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Tom,

I may take you up on your offer(s).

I don't mind spending the money but for one or two quotes or footnotes, I'm not
sure of the value. Ideally, I would look at it and decide whether it is worth
the cost. Ted A. said he did not have it in his library; haven't checked at the
HF library or Western Maryland Regional Library but my guess is neither has it
(W. MD online search negative). WorldCat shows a copy in Leesburg.

Thanks,

Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas G. Clemens" <tgclemens@...> wrote:
>
> Larry, I think I have it at home.  If so, I will be happy to loan it to you or
copy pertinent portions.
> Tom
>
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of eighth_conn_inf
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:00 PM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] The Comanches: A History of White's Battalion,
Virginia Cavalry by Frank M. Myer
>
>
>
> Has anyone read this book or used it as a reference? I have not seen it and I
can't read it online. Before I consider buying it I'm curious about its value as
a resource. I see Harsh and other have cited it. I've read that it compares to
John Casler in that it is "light and witty."
>
> Unfortunately, buying a reprint will cost me at about $75.
>
> Thank's for your input,
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

This might be a bit much for this format�but HELP:
Looking into, and admittedly just scratching this for the first time,�Burnside's
Command�role in the AoP during the MD Campaign.� The general narrative has
Burnside reverting to Corps command after the First Corps seperated on the field
at Antietam.� If that's the case why in the ORs on the 8th of Oct "Brigadier
General Orlando B. Willcox, U. S. Army, supersedes Brigadier General Jacob D.
Cox in command of the Ninth Army Corps." and on the 13th Burnside is "assigned
to command of the Defenses of Harper's Ferry, W. Va."� Does McClellan quietly
revert to using Grand Divisions after the battle or does Burnside continue to
serve in an ambiguous role until he takes command of Harper's Ferry?� Will
continue to investigate but looking for input.
�
Thanks,
Troy




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Troy,

Soon after the Battle of Antietam (not sure of the exact date), Jacob Cox and
his Kanawha Division are transfered out of the Army of the Potomac.  They are
sent back to western Virginia, I believe.  Willcox will eventually command the
IX Corps at Fredericksburg after Burnside is promoted to command of the Army.

The IX Corps is sent into the Pleasant Valley in October.  Harpers Ferry
is that
general area.  If I remember correctly, the I and IX Corps were assigned to
protect Harpers Ferry during that time.  My ggg grandfather was in the IX Corps
at this time and I remember reading about this when I was first reading about
his service.

Matt Reardon

3rd Great-Grandson of Michael Farley
Co. G, 8th Connecticut Regiment
1862-1865



________________________________
From: Troy Cool <troyacool@...>
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:33:36 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Burnside's murky command

 
This might be a bit much for this format but HELP:
Looking into, and admittedly just scratching this for the first
time, Burnside's
Command role in the AoP during the MD Campaign.  The general narrative has
Burnside reverting to Corps command after the First Corps seperated on the field
at Antietam.  If that's the case why in the ORs on the 8th of Oct "Brigadier
General Orlando B. Willcox, U. S. Army, supersedes Brigadier General Jacob D.
Cox in command of the Ninth Army Corps." and on the 13th Burnside is "assigned
to command of the Defenses of Harper's Ferry, W. Va."  Does McClellan quietly
revert to using Grand Divisions after the battle or does Burnside continue to
serve in an ambiguous role until he takes command of Harper's Ferry?  Will
continue to investigate but looking for input.
 
Thanks,
Troy

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Matt, I agree Cox commanded from Reno's death (Sept 14) til Oct 8th then Willcox
assumes command. Cox assumes command of the District of Western Virginia on Oct
13th the same day Burnside is assigned command of Harper's Ferry.  I am unsure
if Burnside ever "reassumes" command of the corps officially or in actual
command before being assigned to command the AoP.  I think Willcox may retain
command until Sedgwick takes command after Fredericksburg.
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Troy,

Soon after the Battle of Antietam (not sure of the exact date), Jacob Cox and
his Kanawha Division are transfered out of the Army of the Potomac.  They are
sent back to western Virginia, I believe.  Willcox will eventually command the
IX Corps at Fredericksburg after Burnside is promoted to command of the Army.

The IX Corps is sent into the Pleasant Valley in October.  Harpers Ferry
is that
general area.  If I remember correctly, the I and IX Corps were assigned to
protect Harpers Ferry during that time.  My ggg grandfather was in the IX Corps
at this time and I remember reading about this when I was first reading about
his service.

Matt Reardon

3rd Great-Grandson of Michael Farley
Co. G, 8th Connecticut Regiment
1862-1865



________________________________
From: Troy Cool <troyacool@...>
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:33:36 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Burnside's murky command

 
This might be a bit much for this format but HELP:
Looking into, and admittedly just scratching this for the first
time, Burnside's
Command role in the AoP during the MD Campaign.  The general narrative has
Burnside reverting to Corps command after the First Corps seperated on the field
at Antietam.  If that's the case why in the ORs on the 8th of Oct "Brigadier
General Orlando B. Willcox, U. S. Army, supersedes Brigadier General Jacob D.
Cox in command of the Ninth Army Corps." and on the 13th Burnside is "assigned
to command of the Defenses of Harper's Ferry, W. Va."  Does McClellan quietly
revert to using Grand Divisions after the battle or does Burnside continue to
serve in an ambiguous role until he takes command of Harper's Ferry?  Will
continue to investigate but looking for input.
 
Thanks,
Troy

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From Eicher,"Civil War High Commands" command assignments for this period:

IX Corps-AOP 20 July 1862 - 3 Aug. 1862; IX Corps Army of VA 3 Aug. 1862 - 3
Sept. 1862; Right Wing AOP 7 Sept. 1862 - 14 Sept. 1862; Left of the Line- AOP
14 Sept. 1862 - 19 Sept. 1862; Defenses of Harpers Ferry-AOP 13 Oct. 1862 - 26
Oct. 1862; AOP 13 Oct. 1862 - 26 Jan. 1863.

Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Troy Cool <troyacool@...> wrote:
>
> This might be a bit much for this format�but HELP:
> Looking into, and admittedly just scratching this for the first
time,�Burnside's Command�role in the AoP during the MD Campaign.� The general
narrative has Burnside reverting to Corps command after the First Corps
seperated on the field at Antietam.� If that's the case why in the ORs on the
8th of Oct "Brigadier General Orlando B. Willcox, U. S. Army, supersedes
Brigadier General Jacob D. Cox in command of the Ninth Army Corps." and on the
13th Burnside is "assigned to command of the Defenses of Harper's Ferry, W.
Va."� Does McClellan quietly revert to using Grand Divisions after the battle or
does Burnside continue to serve in an ambiguous role until he takes command of
Harper's Ferry?� Will continue to investigate but looking for input.
> �
> Thanks,
> Troy
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks Larry!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Burnside's murky command

From Eicher,"Civil War High Commands" command assignments for this period:

IX Corps-AOP 20 July 1862 - 3 Aug. 1862; IX Corps Army of VA 3 Aug. 1862 - 3
Sept. 1862; Right Wing AOP 7 Sept. 1862 - 14 Sept. 1862; Left of the Line- AOP
14 Sept. 1862 - 19 Sept. 1862; Defenses of Harpers Ferry-AOP 13 Oct. 1862 - 26
Oct. 1862; AOP 13 Oct. 1862 - 26 Jan. 1863.

Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Troy Cool <troyacool@...> wrote:
>
> This might be a bit much for this format�but HELP:
> Looking into, and admittedly just scratching this for the first
time,�Burnside's Command�role in the AoP during the MD Campaign.� The general
narrative has Burnside reverting to Corps command after the First Corps
seperated on the field at Antietam.� If that's the case why in the ORs on the
8th of Oct "Brigadier General Orlando B. Willcox, U. S. Army, supersedes
Brigadier General Jacob D. Cox in command of the Ninth Army Corps." and on the
13th Burnside is "assigned to command of the Defenses of Harper's Ferry, W.
Va."� Does McClellan quietly revert to using Grand Divisions after the battle or
does Burnside continue to serve in an ambiguous role until he takes command of
Harper's Ferry?� Will continue to investigate but looking for input.
> �
> Thanks,
> Troy
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Review of next Monday night’s American Experience program on R. E. Lee.

Read Review- American Experience – Robert E. Lee

If the hyper link doesn’t work, here’s the URL:

http://bullrunnings.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/review-american-experience-robert-e\
-lee/

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Hi folks,
I am posing a qustion that may be of interest to some of you.  As many know,
Jacob Cox seems to know a heckuva lot more about what is going on when he wrote
his personal memoirs than he did when he wrote his after action report.  No
surprise there, a lot of officers do that.  But, and here is the question, in
his AAR he states that Burnsides' staff led the divisions of the IX Corps to
their intended positions on Sept. 16.  Yet in his memoir he implies that it was
Capt. Duane, Chief Engineer of the AoP who did so, suggesting that it was Duane,
representing McClellan, who did the recon for this.  Any thoughts on whether Cox
is shifting responsibility in his memoirs or is telling the truth?
Thank you.

From: Tom Shay

I just saw this statement from John Howard posted on SHAF site....

On December 31, I will be retiring from the National Park Service after 37 years
of Service to the American people. It has been my honor and privilege that for
15 of those 37 years I have served as your Superintendent at Antietam. During
that time we have done many wonderful things, and I am sure that his progress
will continue in the future.

I emphasize the fact that we have done this together; no one person can protect,
preserve and interpret a special place like Antietam. We all must work as one to
succeed. Over the years I have been blessed with the finest staff in the
National Park Service. You can tell from the quality of the work they do, to
them this is more than a job. They dedicate there days to remembrance and
preservation, and each day they do their respective jobs to the best of their
abilities.

Our partners and friends who have supported the Battlefield over the years have
given us the strength and will to move forward with landscape restoration and
protection of our viewsheds. You, the members of SHAF, have always been there to
support us. Another example of all of us working together as one. I thank you
for your dedication to this place and for making my job much
easier over these years.

When I first joined the National Park Service I never dreamed of becoming a
Superintendent, let alone the Superintendent of one of the most important
Battlefields in American History. It has been an honor to serve you here, one
which I will never forget.

I wish you all much success and happiness.

John Howard

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Tom, et al.,
I just returned from John's retirement dinner, and it was very well attended. 
Over 130 people were there, mostly from Antietam, but also many other folks too.
Many people spoke about the many, many good things that have been accomplished
under John's superintendency, like nearly 60% of the land in the boundery
acquired, the walking tails, etc.  John gave a a very sincere and moving speech
about the wonderful peope at Antietam, which we all recognize, and his wife &
family.  He will be sorely missed, and I would not want to be the person who
tries to fill his shoes.
Thanks John, for all you've done for Antietam, the NPS and the people of this
country.

________________________________
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
RoteBaron [RoteBaron@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:06 PM
To: Talk Antietam
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Superintendent John Howard retires



From: Tom Shay

I just saw this statement from John Howard posted on SHAF site....

On December 31, I will be retiring from the National Park Service after 37 years
of Service to the American people. It has been my honor and privilege that for
15 of those 37 years I have served as your Superintendent at Antietam. During
that time we have done many wonderful things, and I am sure that his progress
will continue in the future.

I emphasize the fact that we have done this together; no one person can protect,
preserve and interpret a special place like Antietam. We all must work as one to
succeed. Over the years I have been blessed with the finest staff in the
National Park Service. You can tell from the quality of the work they do, to
them this is more than a job. They dedicate there days to remembrance and
preservation, and each day they do their respective jobs to the best of their
abilities.

Our partners and friends who have supported the Battlefield over the years have
given us the strength and will to move forward with landscape restoration and
protection of our viewsheds. You, the members of SHAF, have always been there to
support us. Another example of all of us working together as one. I thank you
for your dedication to this place and for making my job much
easier over these years.

When I first joined the National Park Service I never dreamed of becoming a
Superintendent, let alone the Superintendent of one of the most important
Battlefields in American History. It has been an honor to serve you here, one
which I will never forget.

I wish you all much success and happiness.

John Howard

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On this date, one of the major military personages of "the Woah" has an
important anniversary. In his post-War Memoir, titled "From Manassas to
Appomattox", James Longstreet writes:

"I was born in Edgefield District, South Carolina, on the 8th of January, 1821.
On the paternal side the family was from New Jersey; on my mother's side, from
Maryland. My earliest recollections were of the Georgia side of Savannah River,
and my school-days were passed there, but the appointment to West Point Academy
was from North Alabama. My father, James Longstreet, the oldest child of William
Longstreet and Hannah Fitzrandolph, was born in New Jersey. Other children of
the marriage, Rebecca, Gilbert, Augustus B., and William, were born in Augusta,
Georgia, the adopted home. Richard Longstreet, who came to America in 1657 and
settled in Monmouth County, New Jersey, was the progenitor of the name on this
continent. It is difficult to determine whether the name sprang from France,
Germany, or Holland. On the maternal side, Grandfather Marshall Dent was first
cousin of John Marshall, of the Supreme Court. That branch claimed to trace
their line back to the Conqueror. Marshall Dent married a Magruder, when they
migrated to Augusta, Georgia. Father married the eldest daughter, Mary Ann."

If you are able to do so, please kindly lift a libation to-day in honour of the
General's birthday. The General was the last surviving member of the high
command of the Army of Northern Virginia at the time of his death on January 2,
1904.

Happy 190th Birthday, Lieut.-General James Longstreet, Lee's "old war-horse"!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's
mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a passport to any
foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty God. --Anonymous

The Continuing Education and Community Services Division at Hagerstown Community
College will offer a Civil War seminar on Saturday, March 26, from 8:30 a.m. to
4 p.m. in the Elliott Center on the main HCC campus.



The seminar is being offered as part of the 150th commemoration of the Civil War
in Washington County.



Seminar presenters include Tom Clemens, professor of history at HCC, who will
discuss "Hagerstown and Washington County at the Outbreak of the Civil War
1861"; Dennis Frye, chief historian of the Harpers Ferry (W.Va.) National
Historical Park, who will discuss "The First Invasion of Maryland"; Tim Snyder,
historian and author, who will discuss "A Kingdom for a Few Horses and Mules:
General Patterson's Army Comes to Washington County"; and David Hein, professor
of religion and philosophy at Hood College, who will discuss "Religion and
Politics in Maryland on the Eve of the Civil War."



The course fee is $40, with a $15 material fee and $5 registration. To register
or learn more, call HCC at 301-790-2800, ext. 236.





POSTED BY:  Tom Shay

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Does anyone have a copy of "Historical Magazine," May 1969? There is an article
in it titled "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division, in the Maryland Campaign,
September, 1862."

Larry

By any chance do you mean Maryland Historical Magazine?   Never heard of
Historical Magazine.
________________________________
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
eighth_conn_inf [eighth_conn_inf@...]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:03 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Historical Magazine



Does anyone have a copy of "Historical Magazine," May 1969? There is an article
in it titled "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division, in the Maryland Campaign,
September, 1862."

Larry





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The cite is from Priest, "Before Antietam," pg. 416:

Historical Magazine, "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division in the Maryland
Campaign, September 1862," May, 1869, p. 291 +.

Maybe I should e-mail him to clarify since I've not been able to find
"Historical Magazine" anywhere on the net. Maybe Western MD Lib will have all
the back issue of MD Hist Mag so I can check that issue unless you have it.

BTW, I've read and enjoyed your book review of "Two Great Rebel Armies" in the
spring 1990 issue of the "Maryland Historical Magazine."

Thanks,
Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas G. Clemens" <tgclemens@...> wrote:
>
> By any chance do you mean Maryland Historical Magazine?   Never heard of
Historical Magazine.
> ________________________________
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of
eighth_conn_inf [eighth_conn_inf@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Historical Magazine
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of "Historical Magazine," May 1969? There is an
article in it titled "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division, in the Maryland
Campaign, September, 1862."
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sounds like MD Hist Mag, and I am not sure Western MD Room has back issues that
far back.  let me know ifthey don't I can get it on ILL.

________________________________
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eighth_conn_inf [eighth_conn_inf@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:43 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Historical Magazine



The cite is from Priest, "Before Antietam," pg. 416:

Historical Magazine, "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division in the Maryland
Campaign, September 1862," May, 1869, p. 291 +.

Maybe I should e-mail him to clarify since I've not been able to find
"Historical Magazine" anywhere on the net. Maybe Western MD Lib will have all
the back issue of MD Hist Mag so I can check that issue unless you have it.

BTW, I've read and enjoyed your book review of "Two Great Rebel Armies" in the
spring 1990 issue of the "Maryland Historical Magazine."

Thanks,
Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Thomas G. Clemens" <tgclemens@...> wrote:
>
> By any chance do you mean Maryland Historical Magazine? Never heard of
Historical Magazine.
> ________________________________
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
[TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>] on behalf
of eighth_conn_inf [eighth_conn_inf@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Historical Magazine
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of "Historical Magazine," May 1969? There is an
article in it titled "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division, in the Maryland
Campaign, September, 1862."
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Larry,

I believe I may have found the article that your requested.  It is online within
“Historical Magazine” and (best of all) it is free.
As the article begins on page 290, I believe it matches with Priest’s page
citation of 291.
Check out the link below and advise if it is what you seek.
http://books.google.com/books?id=0vEOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA290&lpg=PA290&dq=%22General+P\
leasonton's+Cavalry+Division+in+the+Maryland+Campaign,+September+1862,%22&source\
=bl&ots=2c_XiJQc1E&sig=7GBTCL1Ona_2z0tkZGd1zhXoh8k&hl=en&ei=S1AyTdP9PMTngQfhoq3h\
Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22G\
eneral%20Pleasonton's%20Cavalry%20Division%20in%20the%20Maryland%20Campaign%2C%2\
0September%201862%2C%22&f=false
Tom Shay – Cressona, PA
From: eighth_conn_inf
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:43 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Historical Magazine


The cite is from Priest, "Before Antietam," pg. 416:

Historical Magazine, "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division in the Maryland
Campaign, September 1862," May, 1869, p. 291 +.

Maybe I should e-mail him to clarify since I've not been able to find
"Historical Magazine" anywhere on the net. Maybe Western MD Lib will have all
the back issue of MD Hist Mag so I can check that issue unless you have it.

BTW, I've read and enjoyed your book review of "Two Great Rebel Armies" in the
spring 1990 issue of the "Maryland Historical Magazine."

Thanks,
Larry

--- In mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com, "Thomas G. Clemens"
<tgclemens@...> wrote:
>
> By any chance do you mean Maryland Historical Magazine? Never heard of
Historical Magazine.
> ________________________________
> From: mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com] on behalf of eighth_conn_inf
[eighth_conn_inf@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Historical Magazine
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of "Historical Magazine," May 1969? There is an
article in it titled "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division, in the Maryland
Campaign, September, 1862."
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Thanks Tom.  Looks like a reprint of his OR report, sigh!
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RoteBaron [RoteBaron@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Historical Magazine



Larry,

I believe I may have found the article that your requested. It is online within
�Historical Magazine� and (best of all) it is free.
As the article begins on page 290, I believe it matches with Priest�s page
citation of 291.
Check out the link below and advise if it is what you seek.
http://books.google.com/books?id=0vEOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA290&lpg=PA290&dq=%22General+P\
leasonton's+Cavalry+Division+in+the+Maryland+Campaign,+September+1862,%22&source\
=bl&ots=2c_XiJQc1E&sig=7GBTCL1Ona_2z0tkZGd1zhXoh8k&hl=en&ei=S1AyTdP9PMTngQfhoq3h\
Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22G\
eneral%20Pleasonton's%20Cavalry%20Division%20in%20the%20Maryland%20Campaign%2C%2\
0September%201862%2C%22&f=false
Tom Shay � Cressona, PA
From: eighth_conn_inf
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:43 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Historical Magazine

The cite is from Priest, "Before Antietam," pg. 416:

Historical Magazine, "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division in the Maryland
Campaign, September 1862," May, 1869, p. 291 +.

Maybe I should e-mail him to clarify since I've not been able to find
"Historical Magazine" anywhere on the net. Maybe Western MD Lib will have all
the back issue of MD Hist Mag so I can check that issue unless you have it.

BTW, I've read and enjoyed your book review of "Two Great Rebel Armies" in the
spring 1990 issue of the "Maryland Historical Magazine."

Thanks,
Larry

--- In mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com, "Thomas G. Clemens"
<tgclemens@...> wrote:
>
> By any chance do you mean Maryland Historical Magazine? Never heard of
Historical Magazine.
> ________________________________
> From: mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com] on behalf of eighth_conn_inf
[eighth_conn_inf@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Historical Magazine
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of "Historical Magazine," May 1969? There is an
article in it titled "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division, in the Maryland
Campaign, September, 1862."
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Tom,

Great research, that must be the article! It appears to be basically the same as
his OR report as Tom noted, vol. 19, pt. 1, 208 +, except his OR report added
men he commended, a table vice a list of casualties, and arabic numbers vice
text in some cases. I wonder why Mike Priest used it? He said he was not sure if
it were the "Maryland Historical Magazine" but as you found, this must be it.

Thanks again, Tom,

Larry

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "RoteBaron" <RoteBaron@...> wrote:
>
> Larry,
>
> I believe I may have found the article that your requested.  It is online
within “Historical Magazine” and (best of all) it is free.
> As the article begins on page 290, I believe it matches with Priest’s page
citation of 291.
> Check out the link below and advise if it is what you seek.
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=0vEOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA290&lpg=PA290&dq=%22General+P\
leasonton's+Cavalry+Division+in+the+Maryland+Campaign,+September+1862,%22&source\
=bl&ots=2c_XiJQc1E&sig=7GBTCL1Ona_2z0tkZGd1zhXoh8k&hl=en&ei=S1AyTdP9PMTngQfhoq3h\
Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22G\
eneral%20Pleasonton's%20Cavalry%20Division%20in%20the%20Maryland%20Campaign%2C%2\
0September%201862%2C%22&f=false
> Tom Shay �" Cressona, PA
> From: eighth_conn_inf
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:43 AM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Historical Magazine
>
>
> The cite is from Priest, "Before Antietam," pg. 416:
>
> Historical Magazine, "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division in the Maryland
Campaign, September 1862," May, 1869, p. 291 +.
>
> Maybe I should e-mail him to clarify since I've not been able to find
"Historical Magazine" anywhere on the net. Maybe Western MD Lib will have all
the back issue of MD Hist Mag so I can check that issue unless you have it.
>
> BTW, I've read and enjoyed your book review of "Two Great Rebel Armies" in the
spring 1990 issue of the "Maryland Historical Magazine."
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>
> --- In mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com, "Thomas G. Clemens" <tgclemens@>
wrote:
> >
> > By any chance do you mean Maryland Historical Magazine? Never heard of
Historical Magazine.
> > ________________________________
> > From: mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com] on behalf of eighth_conn_inf
[eighth_conn_inf@]
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article in it titled "General Pleasonton's Cavalry Division, in the Maryland
Campaign, September, 1862."
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Does anyone know any dealers out there with some inventory of artifacts from the
Hagerstown GAR post?  I see stuff occasionally on Ebay and other locations, and
the dealers tend to be local.

Apparently, when the GAR post closed, the majority of the relics that decorated
their hall were purchased for a private museum in Sharpsburg, and the collection
was broken up within the last 30 years or so.

This is all scuttlebutt, so forgive me if there are factual errors in the above
description, but it generally represents the trail of the collection.

I would be interested in purchasing an item or two (I work in the building which
is on the location of the GAR hall site), if they can be had for reasonable
prices.  I missed a canteen on ebay last month from the 4th US Cavalry that was
part of the collection.  It didn't sell and the owner sold it privately.  Rats.

Anyway...any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Steve Bockmiller

Steve,

According to Federal law when a GAR Post disbanded, all their items including
relics, post records were supposed to be sent to the department headquarters. 
When the GAR disbanded all their property became property of the Sons of Union
Veterans, the GAR's legal heir.  It's actually illegal for any town or person
to
sell GAR property.  If anyone see anyone trying to sell these items, you
contact
the Sons of Union Veterans. 


Matt Reardon
Department Historian
Department of Connecticut
Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War



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From: Stephen <jeffcowvplanning@...>
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 3:40:56 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Relic from Hagerstown GAR post

 
Does anyone know any dealers out there with some inventory of artifacts from the
Hagerstown GAR post? I see stuff occasionally on Ebay and other locations, and
the dealers tend to be local.

Apparently, when the GAR post closed, the majority of the relics that decorated
their hall were purchased for a private museum in Sharpsburg, and the collection
was broken up within the last 30 years or so.

This is all scuttlebutt, so forgive me if there are factual errors in the above
description, but it generally represents the trail of the collection.

I would be interested in purchasing an item or two (I work in the building which
is on the location of the GAR hall site), if they can be had for reasonable
prices. I missed a canteen on ebay last month from the 4th US Cavalry that was
part of the collection. It didn't sell and the owner sold it privately. Rats.

Anyway...any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Steve Bockmiller


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