Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind the 130th
PA monument. Thanks.

Stephen

Stephen,

Are you referencing the cabin along the southern side of the
Sunken Road in the famous post war photo? IIRC that was the home
of Jerry Summers, a former slave of the Henry Piper family....
and also IRRC the cabin was built post war and was there when the
photo was taken in 1885.

Tom Clemens might be able to be more helpful.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road


> Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind
> the 130th
> PA monument. Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
>

Stephen,



Here is a posting that I saved from Ranger Brian Baracz on Aug 28, 2006
regarding Lowman cabin....



A recent question to the group asked about a structure in the background of a
photo posted on the NPS Antietam site. Albert Kern visited the battlefield
numerous times and took many great pictures during the early 1900's. One of his
images of the Sunken Road shows a man standing in the road and in the background
is a house on the crest of a hill right on the Sunken Road. The house in
question is that of Henry Lowman. Lowman bought the land from the Mumma Family
in 1873 and built the home that is in the picture. It was removed by the park in
the late 1970's or early 80's because it was not there during the battle.



It has been discovered that the Mumma Family owned quite a bit of land,even
tracts that are west of Maryland Route 65. The Mummas did own the land on which
the 130 PA monument sits today, which is also where the Lowman Cabin once stood.
The park has no doubt that the building in this picture is that of the Lowman
Cabin.



Tom Shay





   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Stephen Recker
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road


     Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind the 130th
   PA monument. Thanks.

   Stephen





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Gerry,

Yes, that's the one. It was the home of Mr. and Mrs. Emory "Em"
Summers. Em's mother was a slave of the  Henry Piper family.

Thanks,
Stephen

On Sunday, November 1, 2009, at 08:30  PM, G E Mayers wrote:

>  
> Stephen,
>
> Are you referencing the cabin along the southern side of the
> Sunken Road in the famous post war photo? IIRC that was the home
> of Jerry Summers, a former slave of the Henry Piper family....
> and also IRRC the cabin was built post war and was there when the
> photo was taken in 1885.
>
> Tom Clemens might be able to be more helpful.
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
>
> > Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind
> > the 130th
> > PA monument. Thanks.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I just found another article that says the Em's wife died in 1937 and
that she was the wife of a Piper Slave. Hmm, maybe him and his mom were
slaves there?

Stephen

On Sunday, November 1, 2009, at 08:30  PM, G E Mayers wrote:

>  
> Stephen,
>
> Are you referencing the cabin along the southern side of the
> Sunken Road in the famous post war photo? IIRC that was the home
> of Jerry Summers, a former slave of the Henry Piper family....
> and also IRRC the cabin was built post war and was there when the
> photo was taken in 1885.
>
> Tom Clemens might be able to be more helpful.
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
>
> > Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind
> > the 130th
> > PA monument. Thanks.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is great stuff. Thanks!

Was it one building with the Summers and the Lowman family sharing?

Stephen


On Sunday, November 1, 2009, at 10:03  PM, RoteBaron wrote:

>  
> Stephen,
>
> Here is a posting that I saved from Ranger Brian Baracz on Aug 28,
> 2006 regarding Lowman cabin....
>
> A recent question to the group asked about a structure in the
> background of a photo posted on the NPS Antietam site. Albert Kern
> visited the battlefield numerous times and took many great pictures
> during the early 1900's. One of his images of the Sunken Road shows a
> man standing in the road and in the background is a house on the crest
> of a hill right on the Sunken Road. The house in question is that of
> Henry Lowman. Lowman bought the land from the Mumma Family in 1873 and
> built the home that is in the picture. It was removed by the park in
> the late 1970's or early 80's because it was not there during the
> battle.
>
> It has been discovered that the Mumma Family owned quite a bit of
> land,even tracts that are west of Maryland Route 65. The Mummas did
> own the land on which the 130 PA monument sits today, which is also
> where the Lowman Cabin once stood. The park has no doubt that the
> building in this picture is that of the Lowman Cabin.
>
> Tom Shay
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Recker
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
>
> Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind the 130th
> PA monument. Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Stephen and Tom,

Are you not talking about two separate cabins?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road


This is great stuff. Thanks!

Was it one building with the Summers and the Lowman family
sharing?

Stephen


On Sunday, November 1, 2009, at 10:03  PM, RoteBaron wrote:

>
> Stephen,
>
> Here is a posting that I saved from Ranger Brian Baracz on Aug
> 28,
> 2006 regarding Lowman cabin....
>
> A recent question to the group asked about a structure in the
> background of a photo posted on the NPS Antietam site. Albert
> Kern
> visited the battlefield numerous times and took many great
> pictures
> during the early 1900's. One of his images of the Sunken Road
> shows a
> man standing in the road and in the background is a house on
> the crest
> of a hill right on the Sunken Road. The house in question is
> that of
> Henry Lowman. Lowman bought the land from the Mumma Family in
> 1873 and
> built the home that is in the picture. It was removed by the
> park in
> the late 1970's or early 80's because it was not there during
> the
> battle.
>
> It has been discovered that the Mumma Family owned quite a bit
> of
> land,even tracts that are west of Maryland Route 65. The Mummas
> did
> own the land on which the 130 PA monument sits today, which is
> also
> where the Lowman Cabin once stood. The park has no doubt that
> the
> building in this picture is that of the Lowman Cabin.
>
> Tom Shay
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Recker
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
>
> Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind
> the 130th
> PA monument. Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am not able to access my sources right now, but yes, I think we are talking
about two cabins, one disappearing much earlier than the other.  Also, IIRC,
Henry Piper only owned one slave, which was a man, I think.
  On another topic, I read a letter last night from a soldier in the 12th Corps
who said hat on the march from DC they encountered some 9th Corps soldiers he
described as starving.  He said they offered 50 cents for a hard tack cracker!  
Wow, I always had to have some point a gun at me to make me eat those things. 
:-)


Dr. Thomas G. Clemens
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College




>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 11/2/2009 7:11 AM >>>

Stephen and Tom,

Are you not talking about two separate cabins?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road

This is great stuff. Thanks!

Was it one building with the Summers and the Lowman family
sharing?

Stephen

On Sunday, November 1, 2009, at 10:03 PM, RoteBaron wrote:

>
> Stephen,
>
> Here is a posting that I saved from Ranger Brian Baracz on Aug
> 28,
> 2006 regarding Lowman cabin....
>
> A recent question to the group asked about a structure in the
> background of a photo posted on the NPS Antietam site. Albert
> Kern
> visited the battlefield numerous times and took many great
> pictures
> during the early 1900's. One of his images of the Sunken Road
> shows a
> man standing in the road and in the background is a house on
> the crest
> of a hill right on the Sunken Road. The house in question is
> that of
> Henry Lowman. Lowman bought the land from the Mumma Family in
> 1873 and
> built the home that is in the picture. It was removed by the
> park in
> the late 1970's or early 80's because it was not there during
> the
> battle.
>
> It has been discovered that the Mumma Family owned quite a bit
> of
> land,even tracts that are west of Maryland Route 65. The Mummas
> did
> own the land on which the 130 PA monument sits today, which is
> also
> where the Lowman Cabin once stood. The park has no doubt that
> the
> building in this picture is that of the Lowman Cabin.
>
> Tom Shay
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Recker
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
>
> Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind
> the 130th
> PA monument. Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tom, interesting stuff. As to the hardtack, it depends on how
made etc.....

From all the years I have been making it, I have found it is as
much an art as science.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road


>I am not able to access my sources right now, but yes, I think
>we are talking about two cabins, one disappearing much earlier
>than the other.  Also, IIRC, Henry Piper only owned one slave,
>which was a man, I think.
> On another topic, I read a letter last night from a soldier in
> the 12th Corps who said hat on the march from DC they
> encountered some 9th Corps soldiers he described as starving.
> He said they offered 50 cents for a hard tack cracker!   Wow, I
> always had to have some point a gun at me to make me eat those
> things.  :-)
>
>
> Dr. Thomas G. Clemens
> Professor of History
> Hagerstown Community College
>
>
>
>
>>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 11/2/2009 7:11 AM >>>
>
> Stephen and Tom,
>
> Are you not talking about two separate cabins?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
>
> This is great stuff. Thanks!
>
> Was it one building with the Summers and the Lowman family
> sharing?
>
> Stephen
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2009, at 10:03 PM, RoteBaron wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> Here is a posting that I saved from Ranger Brian Baracz on Aug
>> 28,
>> 2006 regarding Lowman cabin....
>>
>> A recent question to the group asked about a structure in the
>> background of a photo posted on the NPS Antietam site. Albert
>> Kern
>> visited the battlefield numerous times and took many great
>> pictures
>> during the early 1900's. One of his images of the Sunken Road
>> shows a
>> man standing in the road and in the background is a house on
>> the crest
>> of a hill right on the Sunken Road. The house in question is
>> that of
>> Henry Lowman. Lowman bought the land from the Mumma Family in
>> 1873 and
>> built the home that is in the picture. It was removed by the
>> park in
>> the late 1970's or early 80's because it was not there during
>> the
>> battle.
>>
>> It has been discovered that the Mumma Family owned quite a bit
>> of
>> land,even tracts that are west of Maryland Route 65. The
>> Mummas
>> did
>> own the land on which the 130 PA monument sits today, which is
>> also
>> where the Lowman Cabin once stood. The park has no doubt that
>> the
>> building in this picture is that of the Lowman Cabin.
>>
>> Tom Shay
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Stephen Recker
>> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
>> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
>>
>> Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind
>> the 130th
>> PA monument. Thanks.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Tom,

Imagine yourself on this campaign.... Hot dusty marches..Commissary wagons not
keeping up or lost...I think that after a few days that Hard Tack would look
pretty good!!

David Lutton
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Thomas Clemens
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:00 AM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road


     I am not able to access my sources right now, but yes, I think we are
talking about two cabins, one disappearing much earlier than the other. Also,
IIRC, Henry Piper only owned one slave, which was a man, I think.
   On another topic, I read a letter last night from a soldier in the 12th Corps
who said hat on the march from DC they encountered some 9th Corps soldiers he
described as starving. He said they offered 50 cents for a hard tack cracker!
Wow, I always had to have some point a gun at me to make me eat those things.
:-)


   Dr. Thomas G. Clemens
   Professor of History
   Hagerstown Community College




   >>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 11/2/2009 7:11 AM >>>

   Stephen and Tom,

   Are you not talking about two separate cabins?

   Yr. Obt. Svt.
   G E "Gerry" Mayers

   To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
   on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
   Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
   the Almighty God. --Anonymous
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
   To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 6:08 AM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road

   This is great stuff. Thanks!

   Was it one building with the Summers and the Lowman family
   sharing?

   Stephen

   On Sunday, November 1, 2009, at 10:03 PM, RoteBaron wrote:

   >
   > Stephen,
   >
   > Here is a posting that I saved from Ranger Brian Baracz on Aug
   > 28,
   > 2006 regarding Lowman cabin....
   >
   > A recent question to the group asked about a structure in the
   > background of a photo posted on the NPS Antietam site. Albert
   > Kern
   > visited the battlefield numerous times and took many great
   > pictures
   > during the early 1900's. One of his images of the Sunken Road
   > shows a
   > man standing in the road and in the background is a house on
   > the crest
   > of a hill right on the Sunken Road. The house in question is
   > that of
   > Henry Lowman. Lowman bought the land from the Mumma Family in
   > 1873 and
   > built the home that is in the picture. It was removed by the
   > park in
   > the late 1970's or early 80's because it was not there during
   > the
   > battle.
   >
   > It has been discovered that the Mumma Family owned quite a bit
   > of
   > land,even tracts that are west of Maryland Route 65. The Mummas
   > did
   > own the land on which the 130 PA monument sits today, which is
   > also
   > where the Lowman Cabin once stood. The park has no doubt that
   > the
   > building in this picture is that of the Lowman Cabin.
   >
   > Tom Shay
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: Stephen Recker
   > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:13 AM
   > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
   >
   > Anyone know when that log cabin went up? The one just behind
   > the 130th
   > PA monument. Thanks.
   >
   > Stephen
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

And that's exactly the point Dave.  Too many authors often make assumptions that
the Union army was always well fed and well suplied.  Reading these letters to
the Battlefield Board, and many other sources too of course, it appears that
this was not the case in the Maryland Campaign.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> "david lutton" <dunkerch@...> 11/02/09 7:49 PM >>>
Tom,

Imagine yourself on this campaign.... Hot dusty marches..Commissary wagons not
keeping up or lost...I think that after a few days that Hard Tack would look
pretty good!!

David Lutton

Tom, excellent point.  In the writings of Colonel Edward Cross of the 5th New
Hampshire he mentions a good number of his men were without shoes at Antietam.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Thomas Clemens
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:05 PM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road


     And that's exactly the point Dave. Too many authors often make assumptions
that the Union army was always well fed and well suplied. Reading these letters
to the Battlefield Board, and many other sources too of course, it appears that
this was not the case in the Maryland Campaign.

   Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
   Professor of History
   Hagerstown Community College

   >>> "david lutton" <dunkerch@...> 11/02/09 7:49 PM >>>
   Tom,

   Imagine yourself on this campaign.... Hot dusty marches..Commissary wagons not
keeping up or lost...I think that after a few days that Hard Tack would look
pretty good!!

   David Lutton





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Guys;

In all fairness to Mac, this area...logistics....was one of the
major problems with why he could not effectively pursue the ANVa
following Sharpsburg...something Lincoln and Stanton did not
understand. Halleck should have been able to understand that
though.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott D. Hann" <sdhann@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road


> Tom, excellent point.  In the writings of Colonel Edward Cross
> of the 5th New Hampshire he mentions a good number of his men
> were without shoes at Antietam.
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Thomas Clemens
>  To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:05 PM
>  Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road
>
>
>    And that's exactly the point Dave. Too many authors often
> make assumptions that the Union army was always well fed and
> well suplied. Reading these letters to the Battlefield Board,
> and many other sources too of course, it appears that this was
> not the case in the Maryland Campaign.
>
>  Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
>  Professor of History
>  Hagerstown Community College
>
>  >>> "david lutton" <dunkerch@...> 11/02/09 7:49 PM
>  >>>
>  Tom,
>
>  Imagine yourself on this campaign.... Hot dusty
> marches..Commissary wagons not keeping up or lost...I think
> that after a few days that Hard Tack would look pretty good!!
>
>  David Lutton
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

If you look at Troiani's painting about the advance of the Irish
Brigade, you do see some barefoot soldiers.............

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Log cabin in the Sunken Road


And that's exactly the point Dave.  Too many authors often make
assumptions that the Union army was always well fed and well
suplied.  Reading these letters to the Battlefield Board, and
many other sources too of course, it appears that this was not
the case in the Maryland Campaign.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> "david lutton" <dunkerch@...> 11/02/09 7:49 PM >>>
Tom,

Imagine yourself on this campaign.... Hot dusty
marches..Commissary wagons not keeping up or lost...I think that
after a few days that Hard Tack would look pretty good!!

David Lutton

Gang,

Any one recall whether there is a fee or is it a donation
requested....for the Antietam Memorial Illumination? If a
donation requested, how much is the amount?

My wife and I went a few years ago and I recall...dimly...a
donation request but am just not sure. I seem to recall something
around $5 per person suggested.

Thanks!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous

Steve...
Saw your display at the Washington County Library.

The stereocard of the photographer wagon that was from the collection of the
Historical Society....do you estimate the date on that?

By the clothing on the guy in the pic, it looks Civil War to me.  What do you
know about that photographer (his name escapes me at the moment).

Thanks.
Steve Bockmiller

Steve,

That display was actually put together by Elizabeth Howe who works at
the library. I loaded her some images/info. Credit where it's due ;-)

The stereoview is of E.M. Recher. He is a Hagerstown photographer who
had a studio here on the square as early as 1855. His early stereoview
of the Bloody Lane, showing the Lowman cabin, has been a topic of
discussion here of late.  My guess has always been that he started
taking his stereoviews around 1877.

He took a stereoview of the Washington House before it burned in 1879,
and a whole series of the Western Maryland Railroad and Penmar and High
Rock (which became prominent around 1879). He also took stereoviews of
the dedication of Simon's monument in the National Cemetery (1880).
Tipton was taking stereoviews at Antietam in 1877, and it's my guess
that Recher heard about it and bought some stereo equipment and took
the first known views outside the cemetery sometime shortly after.
Before that he was taking CDVs in his Sky-Light Gallery on the square
here in Hagerstown.

If you say his dress is war-time, that's interesting. Maybe he was out
of style.

We need to call Bill Frasanito to figure out where that photo of Recher
with his wagon was taken. Heck, there's at least one tree in the view.
Should make it easy.

Stephen

On Thursday, November 5, 2009, at 12:05  PM, jeffcowvplanning wrote:

>  
> Steve...
> Saw your display at the Washington County Library.
>
> The stereocard of the photographer wagon that was from the collection
> of the Historical Society....do you estimate the date on that?
>
> By the clothing on the guy in the pic, it looks Civil War to me. What
> do you know about that photographer (his name escapes me at the
> moment).
>
> Thanks.
> Steve Bockmiller
>
>


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Gang,

While reading the copy of the Carman MS dealing with the battle
itself, particularly the Sunken Road, I noticed the following
information:

Referring to Rodes and Anderson against Kimball of French:
"Kimball says: "Directly in my front, in a narrow road running
parallel with my line, and, being washed by water, forming a
natural rifle-pit between my line and a large cornfield, I found
the enemy in great force, _as also in the cornfield in rear of
the ditch._"

Question.. .when Kimball comes up, has any portion of R H
Anderson's division appeared behind the Sunken Road?

In the book "Antietam Campaign" edited by Gary Gallagher, Robert
Krick has a great essay on the Bloody Lane fight. In it he
mentions that Lt F L Weaver, the last officer available to
command the Fourth NC, stood up and waved the regimental flag to
show Confederate units coming up they had friends in front and
was killed "by friendly fire". However, a search through Carman
does not say this.

Anyone know where or how Krick determined this particular piece
of information?



Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous

Anyone know what day in 1898 the 35th MA monument was dedicated and put
on the bridge? Thanks.

Stephen

Gang,

In reading the Carman MS description of the Battle of Sharpsburg
(link:
http://kperlotto3.home.comcast.net/~kperlotto3/carman/carman.html)
lists three mentions of a second line of battle behind the main
Confederate battle line at the Sunken Road.

I had _always_ been under the impression there was only the
battle line actually in the road comprised of the survivors of
Garland/Colquitt plus Cobb on the far left, then Rodes and then
Anderson, in that order, before reinforcements from R H Anderson
show up.

Apparently, the Carman MS seems to state there was a secondary
battle line on the higher (in some places) southern bank of the
Sunken Road and this _before_ R H Anderson's division, notably
Pryor's, Featherston's, Wright's and Posey's brigades show up on
the right flank of the North Carolinians.

Here is where I found the mentions, from the Carman Battle MS:

(Weber's brigade attack)
"On the right the 1st Delaware advanced so far that its left was
but 50 yards from the Sunken Road, and the fire from the road and
from a line on higher ground beyond it, ..."

From Kimball's report/description:
"Directly in my front, in a narrow road running parallel with my
line, and, being washed by water, forming a natural rifle-pit
between my line and a large cornfield, I found the enemy in great
force, as also in the cornfield in rear of the ditch."

Kimball again:
"firing at the heads and shoulders of such of the enemy as
exposed themselves in the Sunken Road, and at others who were
firing from the
cornfield beyond, and in this manner..."

Note: This seems, from the Carman MS, to indicate a secondary CS
battle line well before R H Anderson's division attempts to
reinforce the centre and right of the CS line in the Sunken Road.

Any help which could be given, especially from Tom Shay or Tom C,
would be most gratefully appreciated!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous


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An email correspondent has asked for help in identify an iron plaque she's just
bought.  She heard it might have been attached to houses that survived the War.

I've posted a photo on the behind AotW blog here:
http://behind.aotw.org/2009/11/21/know-what-this-is/

Please take a look and see if you can offer any information, won't you?

Brian

hello new to the group, i am someone who likes history, especially the civil war
and wanted to chat with anyone about antietam, my question is how many
confederates were in the sunken road and what commander did they belong to? the
confederates did well at antietam considering they were outnumbered. i haveseen
pictures in books of the sunken road with confederate dead. hope to hear from
someone.   bob hellmers

To quote Bill Murray: "What in dee Hell ish DAT?"



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Brian D
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:35 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Help with Iron Plaque identity





An email correspondent has asked for help in identify an iron plaque she's
just bought. She heard it might have been attached to houses that survived
the War.

I've posted a photo on the behind AotW blog here: http://behind.
<http://behind.aotw.org/2009/11/21/know-what-this-is/>
aotw.org/2009/11/21/know-what-this-is/

Please take a look and see if you can offer any information, won't you?

Brian





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As everyone knows, the Confederates consisted of Robert E. Lee and a
one-armed orderly, arrayed against 750,000 fresh, well trained, and battle
hardened Union troops.  Photos of supposed Confederate dead were
manufactured by George McClellan later to hide the fact that Lee and his
batman killed 150,000 Federal troops, and wounded another 200,000.  The two
left the field in a buggy, Lee shooting a moon the whole way.  McClellan saw
it all through a glass (and darkly), but was too busy plotting to become
President - and hating his mother despite an Oedipal complex - to bother
pursuing.  See "Landscape Turned Red" page beginning to page end.

Hope this helps!

Harry

(Welcome, by the way)



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:06 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] introduction





hello new to the group, i am someone who likes history, especially the civil
war and wanted to chat with anyone about antietam, my question is how many
confederates were in the sunken road and what commander did they belong to?
the confederates did well at antietam considering they were outnumbered. i
haveseen pictures in books of the sunken road with confederate dead. hope to
hear from someone. bob hellmers





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no not really , theyre were not 750,000 union troops at antietam and the
confederates did not kill 150,000 at antietam but thanks for welcoming me




________________________________
From: Harry Smeltzer <hjs21@...>
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 9:54:33 PM
Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] introduction

 
As everyone knows, the Confederates consisted of Robert E. Lee and a
one-armed orderly, arrayed against 750,000 fresh, well trained, and battle
hardened Union troops. Photos of supposed Confederate dead were
manufactured by George McClellan later to hide the fact that Lee and his
batman killed 150,000 Federal troops, and wounded another 200,000. The two
left the field in a buggy, Lee shooting a moon the whole way. McClellan saw
it all through a glass (and darkly), but was too busy plotting to become
President - and hating his mother despite an Oedipal complex - to bother
pursuing.. See "Landscape Turned Red" page beginning to page end.

Hope this helps!

Harry

(Welcome, by the way)

-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:06 PM
To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] introduction

hello new to the group, i am someone who likes history, especially the civil
war and wanted to chat with anyone about antietam, my question is how many
confederates were in the sunken road and what commander did they belong to?
the confederates did well at antietam considering they were outnumbered. i
haveseen pictures in books of the sunken road with confederate dead. hope to
hear from someone. bob hellmers

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He's just pulling your leg.

D.H. Hill's Division in the road (less 1 or 2 Brigades that were sent
elsewhere) but plus a couple of McLaw's Bdes that drifted away from
the West Woods fight.

Number counts vary greatly. Hopefully somebody can throw you an
approx number.

Dean

On Nov 21, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Bob Hellmers wrote:

> no not really , theyre were not 750,000 union troops at antietam
> and the confederates did not kill 150,000 at antietam but thanks
> for welcoming me



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Hi all,
 
I've been doing a lot of research into the IX Corps attack late in the day. 
After visiting Antietam a few months ago, I saw that the 8th CT and 9th NY
monuments are very close to each other.  Each claiming that this was the point
to which they advanced to.  Now I know that the 8th CT and 9th NY never fought
this close together.  The 8th CT advanced towards the Harper's Ferry Rd and the
9th NY wheeled towards Sharpsburg.  Is there any reason why these two monuments
are where they are?
 
Thanks for any help,
 
Matt




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Bob Hellmers;

If you go to the Antietam on the Web website, all your basic
questions will be answered....

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <hellmersbob@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] introduction


hello new to the group, i am someone who likes history,
especially the civil war and wanted to chat with anyone about
antietam, my question is how many confederates were in the sunken
road and what commander did they belong to? the confederates did
well at antietam considering they were outnumbered. i haveseen
pictures in books of the sunken road with confederate dead. hope
to hear from someone.   bob hellmers

Bob;

Harry was reallllyyyyy pulling your leg on that response.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hellmers" <hellmersbob@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] introduction


no not really , theyre were not 750,000 union troops at antietam
and the confederates did not kill 150,000 at antietam but thanks
for welcoming me




________________________________
From: Harry Smeltzer <hjs21@...>
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 9:54:33 PM
Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] introduction


As everyone knows, the Confederates consisted of Robert E. Lee
and a
one-armed orderly, arrayed against 750,000 fresh, well trained,
and battle
hardened Union troops. Photos of supposed Confederate dead were
manufactured by George McClellan later to hide the fact that Lee
and his
batman killed 150,000 Federal troops, and wounded another
200,000. The two
left the field in a buggy, Lee shooting a moon the whole way.
McClellan saw
it all through a glass (and darkly), but was too busy plotting to
become
President - and hating his mother despite an Oedipal complex - to
bother
pursuing.. See "Landscape Turned Red" page beginning to page end.

Hope this helps!

Harry

(Welcome, by the way)

-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:TalkAntietam@
yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:06 PM
To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [TalkAntietam] introduction

hello new to the group, i am someone who likes history,
especially the civil
war and wanted to chat with anyone about antietam, my question is
how many
confederates were in the sunken road and what commander did they
belong to?
the confederates did well at antietam considering they were
outnumbered. i
haveseen pictures in books of the sunken road with confederate
dead. hope to
hear from someone. bob hellmers

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Matt;

You might want to contact Antietam NBP for that one. Or go to
www.nps.gov/anti and see if you can find out anything that way.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Reardon" <mreardon1862@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:00 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] 9th NY & 8th CT


Hi all,

I've been doing a lot of research into the IX Corps attack late
in the day. After visiting Antietam a few months ago, I saw that
the 8th CT and 9th NY monuments are very close to each other.
Each claiming that this was the point to which they advanced to.
Now I know that the 8th CT and 9th NY never fought this close
together. The 8th CT advanced towards the Harper's Ferry Rd and
the 9th NY wheeled towards Sharpsburg. Is there any reason why
these two monuments are where they are?

Thanks for any help,

Matt




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