Has anyone ever tried, or had any luck taking the CC maps in MrSid

format to somewhere like Kinkos and getting a large format, color hard

copy printed out?  I assume they are legal to print, please correct me

if I'm wrong.



Dave McGowan

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Dave,



Did you have any luck on the printing of the CC maps?



From what I read on the LOC site, the maps are not restricted.



Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:

>

> Has anyone ever tried, or had any luck taking the CC maps in MrSid

> format to somewhere like Kinkos and getting a large format, color hard

> copy printed out?  I assume they are legal to print, please correct me

> if I'm wrong.

>

> Dave McGowan

>

Larry, I haven't had any luck with the maps.  Still looking for a solution.



Dave



eighth_conn_inf wrote:

>

>

> Dave,

>

> Did you have any luck on the printing of the CC maps?

>

> >From what I read on the LOC site, the maps are not restricted.

>

> Larry

>

> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:

> >

> > Has anyone ever tried, or had any luck taking the CC maps in MrSid

> > format to somewhere like Kinkos and getting a large format, color hard

> > copy printed out? I assume they are legal to print, please correct me

> > if I'm wrong.

> >

> > Dave McGowan

> >

>

>

Have you downloaded the mrsid browser plug-in? I can't quite remember...I don't

use windows anymore. At one point I used the plug in to view sid CC files I

downloaded from the LOC. They also had a viewer application that I downloaded.

One or both of these allowed zooming into an area of interest and then saving

that portion as a tiff or a jpg. Once you have the tiff or jpg you can take it

anywhere to print.



T.R. Livesey

tlivesey@...



On Fri 05/ 8/09  4:55 PM , Dave gewehr@... sent:

> Larry, I haven't had any luck with the maps.  Still looking for a

> solution.

> Dave

>

> eighth_conn_inf wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dave,

> >

> > Did you have any luck on the printing of the CC

> maps?>

> > >From what I read on the LOC site, the maps

> are not restricted.>

> > Larry

> >

> > --- In

> TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com > ,

> Dave  wrote:> >

> > > Has anyone ever tried, or had any luck

> taking the CC maps in MrSid> > format to somewhere like Kinkos and getting

> a large format, color hard> > copy printed out? I assume they are legal

> to print, please correct me> > if I'm wrong.

> > >

> > > Dave McGowan

> > >

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I thought Dave wanted the CC series, each one full size. I had one map printed

by a company in Florida and it cost $30-$35 IIRC. The park bookstore has a full

size laminated map (8:30 A.M.) for about $25.



Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...> wrote:

>

> Have you downloaded the mrsid browser plug-in? I can't quite remember...I

don't

> use windows anymore. At one point I used the plug in to view sid CC files I

> downloaded from the LOC. They also had a viewer application that I downloaded.

> One or both of these allowed zooming into an area of interest and then saving

> that portion as a tiff or a jpg. Once you have the tiff or jpg you can take it

> anywhere to print.

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@...

>

> On Fri 05/ 8/09  4:55 PM , Dave gewehr@... sent:

> > Larry, I haven't had any luck with the maps.  Still looking for a

> > solution.

> > Dave

> >

> > eighth_conn_inf wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dave,

> > >

> > > Did you have any luck on the printing of the CC

> > maps?>

> > > >From what I read on the LOC site, the maps

> > are not restricted.>

> > > Larry

> > >

> > > --- In

> > TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com > ,

> > Dave  wrote:> >

> > > > Has anyone ever tried, or had any luck

> > taking the CC maps in MrSid> > format to somewhere like Kinkos and getting

> > a large format, color hard> > copy printed out? I assume they are legal

> > to print, please correct me> > if I'm wrong.

> > > >

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Larry, I looked at the map at the Park bookstore, and I wasn't all that

impressed.  A little hard to read and muddy.  It may just print that

way, but I passed on it.  I really like the laminated version of the

regular black and white map, I use a whiteboard marker on it and it is

pretty sturdy.  It would be nice if it had topo lines, which I might

transfer some day onto a paper map and then laminate.



Dave



eighth_conn_inf wrote:

>

>

> I thought Dave wanted the CC series, each one full size. I had one map

> printed by a company in Florida and it cost $30-$35 IIRC. The park

> bookstore has a full size laminated map (8:30 A.M.) for about $25.

>

> Larry

>

> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...> wrote:

> >

> > Have you downloaded the mrsid browser plug-in? I can't quite

> remember...I don't

> > use windows anymore. At one point I used the plug in to view sid CC

> files I

> > downloaded from the LOC. They also had a viewer application that I

> downloaded.

> > One or both of these allowed zooming into an area of interest and

> then saving

> > that portion as a tiff or a jpg. Once you have the tiff or jpg you

> can take it

> > anywhere to print.

> >

> > T.R. Livesey

> > tlivesey@...

> >

> > On Fri 05/ 8/09 4:55 PM , Dave gewehr@... sent:

> > > Larry, I haven't had any luck with the maps. Still looking for a

> > > solution.

> > > Dave

> > >

> > > eighth_conn_inf wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dave,

> > > >

> > > > Did you have any luck on the printing of the CC

> > > maps?>

> > > > >From what I read on the LOC site, the maps

> > > are not restricted.>

> > > > Larry

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > > TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com> > ,

> > > Dave wrote:> >

> > > > > Has anyone ever tried, or had any luck

> > > taking the CC maps in MrSid> > format to somewhere like Kinkos and

> getting

> > > a large format, color hard> > copy printed out? I assume they are

> legal

> > > to print, please correct me> > if I'm wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave McGowan

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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T.R. and Larry,

Yep, the first part of the answer is a usable format, and T.R. is

correct, the web browser plug in does offer saving a .sid file into a

.jpg or tiff.  I didn't know about the plug in, all I've ever used is

the stand alone viewer.  Thanks for that tip.  I'll let you know how

this all comes out.



Dave



T.R.Livesey wrote:

>

>

> Have you downloaded the mrsid browser plug-in? I can't quite

> remember...I don't

> use windows anymore. At one point I used the plug in to view sid CC

> files I

> downloaded from the LOC. They also had a viewer application that I

> downloaded.

> One or both of these allowed zooming into an area of interest and then

> saving

> that portion as a tiff or a jpg. Once you have the tiff or jpg you can

> take it

> anywhere to print.

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@... <mailto:tlivesey%40westwoodgalleries.com>

>

> On Fri 05/ 8/09 4:55 PM , Dave gewehr@...

> <mailto:gewehr%40cinci.rr.com> sent:

> > Larry, I haven't had any luck with the maps. Still looking for a

> > solution.

> > Dave

> >

> > eighth_conn_inf wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dave,

> > >

> > > Did you have any luck on the printing of the CC

> > maps?>

> > > >From what I read on the LOC site, the maps

> > are not restricted.>

> > > Larry

> > >

> > > --- In

> > TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com> > ,

> > Dave wrote:> >

> > > > Has anyone ever tried, or had any luck

> > taking the CC maps in MrSid> > format to somewhere like Kinkos and

> getting

> > a large format, color hard> > copy printed out? I assume they are legal

> > to print, please correct me> > if I'm wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Dave McGowan

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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Take a look at the HPS Campaing Antietam map.  That is a .pdf and can be printed

if you buy the game.

I found my copy of the viewer that I downloaded several years ago. I couldn't

find it on their website. The CC maps are great, but they are too big to be used

as a whole. I have an actual original edition, and its really too big even when

you open it up on a big table. You end up having to lean over it and my back and

neck get sore. Much better to zoom into an area of interest and make a print out

of that that is a more manageable size. They blow up really well. I have a color

printer that does 11x17 and I have made very nice copies with it.



Any map that does not have topo lines or some other means of indicating

elevation is useless, unless you just want to frame it and hang it on a wall.

For that reason alone the CC maps can't be beat.



T.R. Livesey

tlivesey@...



  On Fri 05/ 8/09  8:10 PM , Dave Mc gewehr@... sent:

> T.R. and Larry,

> Yep, the first part of the answer is a usable format, and T.R. is

> correct, the web browser plug in does offer saving a .sid file into a

> .jpg or tiff.  I didn't know about the plug in, all I've ever used is

> the stand alone viewer.  Thanks for that tip.  I'll let you know how

> this all comes out.

>

> Dave

>

> T.R.Livesey wrote:

> >

> >

> > Have you downloaded the mrsid browser plug-in? I

> can't quite > remember...I don't

> > use windows anymore. At one point I used the

> plug in to view sid CC > files I

> > downloaded from the LOC. They also had a viewer

> application that I > downloaded.

> > One or both of these allowed zooming into an

> area of interest and then > saving

> > that portion as a tiff or a jpg. Once you have

> the tiff or jpg you can > take it

> > anywhere to print.

> >

> > T.R. Livesey

> > tlivesey@...

> >

> > On Fri 05/ 8/09 4:55 PM , Dave gewehr@ci

> nci.rr.com >

> sent:> > Larry, I haven't had any luck with the

> maps. Still looking for a> > solution.

> > > Dave

> > >

> > > eighth_conn_inf wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dave,

> > > >

> > > > Did you have any luck on the printing

> of the CC> > maps?>

> > > > >From what I read on the LOC site,

> the maps> > are not restricted.>

> > > > Larry

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > >

> TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>  > ,> > Dave wrote:> >

> > > > > Has anyone ever tried, or had any

> luck> > taking the CC maps in MrSid> > format

> to somewhere like Kinkos and > getting

> > > a large format, color hard> > copy

> printed out? I assume they are legal> > to print, please correct me> > if I'm

> wrong.> > > >

> > > > > Dave McGowan

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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T.R. and Dave,



The large printed maps do seem to muddy some details and the colors aren't as

good; they are just not as clear as the screen version. Apparently it is not so

easy to get crisp printing on such a large map. I bought one of the park's

laminated ones and two from the Florida printer. The Florida prints seem to have

faded a little.



T.R.--you have the 1904 version? Are the details as clear as they appear on the

computer screen? I'm guessing that finding original copies of either the 04 or

08 maps is difficult; I've not seen any advertised anywhere.Do you laminate your

smaller prints to take to the field?



Contour lines as on the CC maps are a must for me, too. Now if someone would

program the maps so one could "fly in" to get an overhead like you can on Google

Earth and also get a street view that would be great.



Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...> wrote:

>

> I found my copy of the viewer that I downloaded several years ago. I couldn't

find it on their website. The CC maps are great, but they are too big to be used

as a whole. I have an actual original edition, and its really too big even when

you open it up on a big table. You end up having to lean over it and my back and

neck get sore. Much better to zoom into an area of interest and make a print out

of that that is a more manageable size. They blow up really well. I have a color

printer that does 11x17 and I have made very nice copies with it.

>

> Any map that does not have topo lines or some other means of indicating

elevation is useless, unless you just want to frame it and hang it on a wall.

For that reason alone the CC maps can't be beat.

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@...

>

>  On Fri 05/ 8/09  8:10 PM , Dave Mc gewehr@... sent:

> > T.R. and Larry,

> > Yep, the first part of the answer is a usable format, and T.R. is

> > correct, the web browser plug in does offer saving a .sid file into a

> > .jpg or tiff.  I didn't know about the plug in, all I've ever used is

> > the stand alone viewer.  Thanks for that tip.  I'll let you know how

> > this all comes out.

> >

> > Dave

> >

> > T.R.Livesey wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Have you downloaded the mrsid browser plug-in? I

> > can't quite > remember...I don't

> > > use windows anymore. At one point I used the

> > plug in to view sid CC > files I

> > > downloaded from the LOC. They also had a viewer

> > application that I > downloaded.

> > > One or both of these allowed zooming into an

> > area of interest and then > saving

> > > that portion as a tiff or a jpg. Once you have

> > the tiff or jpg you can > take it

> > > anywhere to print.

> > >

> > > T.R. Livesey

> > > tlivesey@...

> > >

> > > On Fri 05/ 8/09 4:55 PM , Dave gewehr@ci

> > nci.rr.com >

> > sent:> > Larry, I haven't had any luck with the

> > maps. Still looking for a> > solution.

> > > > Dave

> > > >

> > > > eighth_conn_inf wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave,

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you have any luck on the printing

> > of the CC> > maps?>

> > > > > >From what I read on the LOC site,

> > the maps> > are not restricted.>

> > > > > Larry

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > >

> > TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> >  > ,> > Dave wrote:> >

> > > > > > Has anyone ever tried, or had any

> > luck> > taking the CC maps in MrSid> > format

> > to somewhere like Kinkos and > getting

> > > > a large format, color hard> > copy

> > printed out? I assume they are legal> > to print, please correct me> > if

I'm

> > wrong.> > > >

> > > > > > Dave McGowan

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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I have actually been working on making a fly-in over the CC maps. I'll

put some tests up on my site soon.



Stephen





On Saturday, May 9, 2009, at 08:27  AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:



> T.R. and Dave,

>

> The large printed maps do seem to muddy some details and the colors

> aren't as good; they are just not as clear as the screen version.

> Apparently it is not so easy to get crisp printing on such a large

> map. I bought one of the park's laminated ones and two from the

> Florida printer. The Florida prints seem to have faded a little.

>

> T.R.--you have the 1904 version? Are the details as clear as they

> appear on the computer screen? I'm guessing that finding original

> copies of either the 04 or 08 maps is difficult; I've not seen any

> advertised anywhere.Do you laminate your smaller prints to take to the

> field?

>

> Contour lines as on the CC maps are a must for me, too. Now if someone

> would program the maps so one could "fly in" to get an overhead like

> you can on Google Earth and also get a street view that would be > great.

>

> Larry

Stephen,



Excellent--look forward to it. Google Earth and Zillow are good but can get

fuzzy very close in.



Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:

>

> Larry,

>

> I have actually been working on making a fly-in over the CC maps. I'll

> put some tests up on my site soon.

>

> Stephen

>

>

> On Saturday, May 9, 2009, at 08:27  AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:

>

> > T.R. and Dave,

> >

> > The large printed maps do seem to muddy some details and the colors

> > aren't as good; they are just not as clear as the screen version.

> > Apparently it is not so easy to get crisp printing on such a large

> > map. I bought one of the park's laminated ones and two from the

> > Florida printer. The Florida prints seem to have faded a little.

> >

> > T.R.--you have the 1904 version? Are the details as clear as they

> > appear on the computer screen? I'm guessing that finding original

> > copies of either the 04 or 08 maps is difficult; I've not seen any

> > advertised anywhere.Do you laminate your smaller prints to take to the

> > field?

> >

> > Contour lines as on the CC maps are a must for me, too. Now if someone

> > would program the maps so one could "fly in" to get an overhead like

> > you can on Google Earth and also get a street view that would be > great.

> >

> > Larry

>

Larry,



Yes, I have the 1904 edition. The printed images are very clean and crisp. If

all

you've ever seen is the reprints of the official records atlas, the originals in

their proper size are truely works of art. I don't bother to laminate my maps

since they are just print-outs anyway.



Back in the 90's I experimented with fly-by images, long before there was Google

anything. The quality was not that great and the file sizes were totally

impractable for the dial-up services of the time, do I didn't pursue them. I dug

them up and posted them if anyone is interested:



flyby from south to north looking east at the otto farm:



http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/flyby/otto.mpg



flyby from south to north over the otto farm looking west



http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/flyby/otto2.mpg



flyby along the Piper Swale, first east toward the Antietam and then back west

toward the west woods



http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/flyby/piperswale2.mpg



flyby over Turner Gap.looking northwest up the National Pike over Turner's Gap,

and then circling around counter-clockwise



http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/flyby/turnergap2.mpg



The Piper Swale and Turner's Gap flybys are in stereo, and if you can view them

in stereo the Turner Gap one is particularly spectacular.





T.R. Livesey

tlivesey@...



On Sat 05/ 9/09  7:27 AM , "eighth_conn_inf" eighth_conn_inf@... sent:

> T.R. and Dave,

>

> The large printed maps do seem to muddy some details and the colors aren't

> as good; they are just not as clear as the screen version. Apparently it is

> not so easy to get crisp printing on such a large map. I bought one of the

> park's laminated ones and two from the Florida printer. The Florida prints

> seem to have faded a little.

> T.R.--you have the 1904 version? Are the details as clear as they appear on

> the computer screen? I'm guessing that finding original copies of either

> the 04 or 08 maps is difficult; I've not seen any advertised anywhere.Do

> you laminate your smaller prints to take to the field?

> Contour lines as on the CC maps are a must for me, too. Now if someone

> would program the maps so one could "fly in" to get an overhead

> like you can on Google Earth and also get a street view that would be

> great.

> Larry

>

> --- In

> TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, T.R.Livesey

> wrote:>

> > I found my copy of the viewer that I downloaded

> several years ago. I couldn't find it on their website. The CC maps are

> great, but they are too big to be used as a whole. I have an actual

> original edition, and its really too big even when you open it up on a big

> table. You end up having to lean over it and my back and neck get sore.

> Much better to zoom into an area of interest and make a print out of that

> that is a more manageable size. They blow up really well. I have a color

> printer that does 11x17 and I have made very nice copies with

> it.>

> > Any map that does not have topo lines or some

> other means of indicating elevation is useless, unless you just want to

> frame it and hang it on a wall. For that reason alone the CC maps can't be

> beat.>

> > T.R. Livesey

> > tlivesey@...

> >

> >  On Fri 05/ 8/09  8:10 PM , Dave Mc gewehr@...

> sent:> > T.R. and Larry,

> > > Yep, the first part of the answer is a

> usable format, and T.R. is > > correct, the web browser plug in does offer

> saving a .sid file into a > > .jpg or tiff.  I didn't know about the plug

> in, all I've ever used is > > the stand alone viewer.  Thanks for that

> tip.  I'll let you know how > > this all comes out.

> > >

> > > Dave

> > >

> > > T.R.Livesey wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Have you downloaded the mrsid browser

> plug-in? I> > can't quite > remember...I

> don't> > > use windows anymore. At one point I

> used the> > plug in to view sid CC > files

> I> > > downloaded from the LOC. They also had

> a viewer> > application that I >

> downloaded.> > > One or both of these allowed zooming

> into an> > area of interest and then >

> saving> > > that portion as a tiff or a jpg. Once

> you have> > the tiff or jpg you can > take

> it> > > anywhere to print.

> > > >

> > > > T.R. Livesey

> > > > tlivesey@...

> > > >

> > > > On Fri 05/ 8/09 4:55 PM , Dave gewehr@ci> > nci.rr.com >

> > > sent:> > Larry, I haven't had any

> luck with the> > maps. Still looking for a> >

> solution.> > > > Dave

> > > > >

> > > > > eighth_conn_inf wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dave,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you have any luck on the

> printing> > of the CC> > maps?>

> > > > > > >From what I read on the

> LOC site,> > the maps> > are not

> restricted.>> > > > > Larry

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> getting> > > > a large format, color hard>

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> > to print, please correct me> > if I'm> > wrong.> > > >

> > > > > > > Dave McGowan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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I looked at some of your flybys and they are interesting; thanks for sharing

them. I will be instructive to see what Stephen comes up with for Virtual

Antietam.



I've never heard that anyone owns the 1908 CC version let alone listing the

differences between the two. Maybe Tom Clemens who is writing about Carman may

have that version copied or at least talk about the differences. I recall

someone--Jake Pierro--mentioned that the LOC has both 1904 and 1908 versions but

only has the 1904 on its website.



Someday someone may have a good printing done of the the 1908 version and maybe

even some done of some of the original prints of the OR maps but my guess is

neither is likely to happen unless CWPT or some wealthy CW fan ponies up the

required funds since neither will be best sellers.



Larry





--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> Larry,

>

> Yes, I have the 1904 edition. The printed images are very clean and crisp. If

all

> you've ever seen is the reprints of the official records atlas, the originals

in

> their proper size are truely works of art. I don't bother to laminate my maps

> since they are just print-outs anyway.

>

> Back in the 90's I experimented with fly-by images, long before there was

Google

> anything. The quality was not that great and the file sizes were totally

> impractable for the dial-up services of the time, do I didn't pursue them. I

dug

> them up and posted them if anyone is interested:

>

> flyby from south to north looking east at the otto farm:

>

> http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/flyby/otto.mpg

>

> flyby from south to north over the otto farm looking west

>

> http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/flyby/otto2.mpg

>

> flyby along the Piper Swale, first east toward the Antietam and then back west

> toward the west woods

>

> http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/flyby/piperswale2.mpg

>

> flyby over Turner Gap.looking northwest up the National Pike over Turner's

Gap,

> and then circling around counter-clockwise

>

> http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/flyby/turnergap2.mpg

>

> The Piper Swale and Turner's Gap flybys are in stereo, and if you can view

them

> in stereo the Turner Gap one is particularly spectacular.

>

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@...

>

> On Sat 05/ 9/09  7:27 AM , "eighth_conn_inf" eighth_conn_inf@... sent:

> > T.R. and Dave,

> >

> > The large printed maps do seem to muddy some details and the colors aren't

> > as good; they are just not as clear as the screen version. Apparently it is

> > not so easy to get crisp printing on such a large map. I bought one of the

> > park's laminated ones and two from the Florida printer. The Florida prints

> > seem to have faded a little.

> > T.R.--you have the 1904 version? Are the details as clear as they appear on

> > the computer screen? I'm guessing that finding original copies of either

> > the 04 or 08 maps is difficult; I've not seen any advertised anywhere.Do

> > you laminate your smaller prints to take to the field?

> > Contour lines as on the CC maps are a must for me, too. Now if someone

> > would program the maps so one could "fly in" to get an overhead

> > like you can on Google Earth and also get a street view that would be

> > great.

> > Larry

> >

> > --- In

> > TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, T.R.Livesey

> > wrote:>

> > > I found my copy of the viewer that I downloaded

> > several years ago. I couldn't find it on their website. The CC maps are

> > great, but they are too big to be used as a whole. I have an actual

> > original edition, and its really too big even when you open it up on a big

> > table. You end up having to lean over it and my back and neck get sore.

> > Much better to zoom into an area of interest and make a print out of that

> > that is a more manageable size. They blow up really well. I have a color

> > printer that does 11x17 and I have made very nice copies with

> > it.>

> > > Any map that does not have topo lines or some

> > other means of indicating elevation is useless, unless you just want to

> > frame it and hang it on a wall. For that reason alone the CC maps can't be

> > beat.>

> > > T.R. Livesey

> > > tlivesey@

Larry,



I have never had access to a 1908 version to compare.  My guess is that the

differences between the 2 are minor. A hint of possible changes can be extracted

from 1906 correspondence from Carman reprinted in the commemorative volume of

the

Pennsylvania Reserves (pp 95-8). There is a dispute between the Antietam

Battlefield Commission of Pennsylvania and Carman about the proposed placement

of

the monuments for the 8th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd PR: they want the order to be 8th

7th 4th and 3rd, whereas Carman's map shows 8th 3rd 4th 7th. After making his

case, Carman laments : ”It is unfortunate that this matter was not discussed

earlier. My atlas has been published two years, and a copy sent to each

regimental organization with the request that any apparent errors might be

reported, but not a criticism has been made of any position of the First Corps,

and but one or two trifling ones in other corps.” I don't know if the 1908

edition was altered to reflect the commission's version. The monuments were

placed as per Carman's recommendation. Whatever the case, as late as 1906,

Carman

was unaware of 'non-trifling' discrepancies of the 1904 version.



BTW, the fold-out map that accompanies the PR volume is a real gem: a beautiful

depiction of the battlefield at the turn of the century (before the various

bypasses were built) in color and wonderful topographical detail (20 ft interval

contour lines). One of the nicest maps out there.



T.R. Livesey

tlivesey@...



On Sun 05/24/09 12:51 PM , "eighth_conn_inf" eighth_conn_inf@... sent:

> TR,

>

> I looked at some of your flybys and they are interesting; thanks for

> sharing them. I will be instructive to see what Stephen comes up with for

> Virtual Antietam.

> I've never heard that anyone owns the 1908 CC version let alone listing the

> differences between the two. Maybe Tom Clemens who is writing about Carman

> may have that version copied or at least talk about the differences. I

> recall someone--Jake Pierro--mentioned that the LOC has both 1904 and 1908

> versions but only has the 1904 on its website.

> Someday someone may have a good printing done of the the 1908 version and

> maybe even some done of some of the original prints of the OR maps but my

> guess is neither is likely to happen unless CWPT or some wealthy CW fan

> ponies up the required funds since neither will be best sellers.

> Larry

>

>



>

>

Somewhere in the papers from Carman I found a listing of the changes.

Will see if I can find it for you.  We have 8 x10 color negatives of the

1908 maps.  Maybe I should look into printing them poster-size?



Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

Professor of History

Hagerstown Community College





>>> T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...> 05/24/09 3:08 PM >>>

Larry,



I have never had access to a 1908 version to compare.  My guess is that

the

differences between the 2 are minor. A hint of possible changes can be

extracted

from 1906 correspondence from Carman reprinted in the commemorative

volume of the

Pennsylvania Reserves (pp 95-8). There is a dispute between the Antietam

Battlefield Commission of Pennsylvania and Carman about the proposed

placement of

the monuments for the 8th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd PR: they want the order to

be 8th

7th 4th and 3rd, whereas Carman's map shows 8th 3rd 4th 7th. After

making his

case, Carman laments : ”It is unfortunate that this matter was not

discussed

earlier. My atlas has been published two years, and a copy sent to each

regimental organization with the request that any apparent errors might

be

reported, but not a criticism has been made of any position of the First

Corps,

and but one or two trifling ones in other corps.” I don't know if the

1908

edition was altered to reflect the commission's version. The monuments

were

placed as per Carman's recommendation. Whatever the case, as late as

1906, Carman

was unaware of 'non-trifling' discrepancies of the 1904 version.



BTW, the fold-out map that accompanies the PR volume is a real gem: a

beautiful

depiction of the battlefield at the turn of the century (before the

various

bypasses were built) in color and wonderful topographical detail (20 ft

interval

contour lines). One of the nicest maps out there.



T.R. Livesey

tlivesey@...



On Sun 05/24/09 12:51 PM , "eighth_conn_inf" eighth_conn_inf@...

sent:

> TR,

>

> I looked at some of your flybys and they are interesting; thanks for

> sharing them. I will be instructive to see what Stephen comes up with

for

> Virtual Antietam.

> I've never heard that anyone owns the 1908 CC version let alone

listing the

> differences between the two. Maybe Tom Clemens who is writing about

Carman

> may have that version copied or at least talk about the differences. I

> recall someone--Jake Pierro--mentioned that the LOC has both 1904 and

1908

> versions but only has the 1904 on its website.

> Someday someone may have a good printing done of the the 1908 version

and

> maybe even some done of some of the original prints of the OR maps but

my

> guess is neither is likely to happen unless CWPT or some wealthy CW

fan

> ponies up the required funds since neither will be best sellers.

> Larry

>

>



>

>

Tom,



I'd be interested in the list of changes.



T.R. Livesey

tlivesey@...







On Sun 05/24/09  5:11 PM , "Thomas Clemens" clemenst@... sent:

> Somewhere in the papers from Carman I found a listing of the changes.

> Will see if I can find it for you.  We have 8 x10 color negatives of

> the1908 maps.  Maybe I should look into printing them poster-size?

>

> Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

> Professor of History

> Hagerstown Community College

>

>

> >>> T.R.Livesey  05/24/09 3:08 PM

> >>>Larry,

>

> I have never had access to a 1908 version to compare.  My guess is that

> the

> differences between the 2 are minor. A hint of possible changes can be

> extracted

> from 1906 correspondence from Carman reprinted in the commemorative

> volume of the

> Pennsylvania Reserves (pp 95-8). There is a dispute between the

> AntietamBattlefield Commission of Pennsylvania and Carman about the proposed

> placement of

> the monuments for the 8th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd PR: they want the order to

> be 8th

> 7th 4th and 3rd, whereas Carman's map shows 8th 3rd 4th 7th. After

> making his

> case, Carman laments : ”It is unfortunate that this matter was

> notdiscussed

> earlier. My atlas has been published two years, and a copy sent to each

> regimental organization with the request that any apparent errors might

> be

> reported, but not a criticism has been made of any position of the

> FirstCorps,

> and but one or two trifling ones in other corps.” I don't know if

> the1908

> edition was altered to reflect the commission's version. The monuments

> were

> placed as per Carman's recommendation. Whatever the case, as late as

> 1906, Carman

> was unaware of 'non-trifling' discrepancies of the 1904 version.

>

> BTW, the fold-out map that accompanies the PR volume is a real gem: a

> beautiful

> depiction of the battlefield at the turn of the century (before the

> various

> bypasses were built) in color and wonderful topographical detail (20 ft

> interval

> contour lines). One of the nicest maps out there.

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@...



>

Tom,



I also am interested in the changes as well as a set of the 1908 maps. The best

for them would be full size on sturdy, laminated paper, obviously clearly

printed in non fading ink as discussed below.



If you think this is possible, you could PM me with an estimated cost just in

case I don't win the lottery.



TR, it would be interesting to see the 3rd PR book's map.



Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...> wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> I'd be interested in the list of changes.

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@...

>

>

>

> On Sun 05/24/09  5:11 PM , "Thomas Clemens" clemenst@... sent:

> > Somewhere in the papers from Carman I found a listing of the changes.

> > Will see if I can find it for you.  We have 8 x10 color negatives of

> > the1908 maps.  Maybe I should look into printing them poster-size?

> >

> > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

> > Professor of History

> > Hagerstown Community College

> >

> >

> > >>> T.R.Livesey  05/24/09 3:08 PM

> > >>>Larry,

> >

> > I have never had access to a 1908 version to compare.  My guess is that

> > the

> > differences between the 2 are minor. A hint of possible changes can be

> > extracted

> > from 1906 correspondence from Carman reprinted in the commemorative

> > volume of the

> > Pennsylvania Reserves (pp 95-8). There is a dispute between the

> > AntietamBattlefield Commission of Pennsylvania and Carman about the proposed

> > placement of

> > the monuments for the 8th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd PR: they want the order to

> > be 8th

> > 7th 4th and 3rd, whereas Carman's map shows 8th 3rd 4th 7th. After

> > making his

> > case, Carman laments : ”It is unfortunate that this matter was

> > notdiscussed

> > earlier. My atlas has been published two years, and a copy sent to each

> > regimental organization with the request that any apparent errors might

> > be

> > reported, but not a criticism has been made of any position of the

> > FirstCorps,

> > and but one or two trifling ones in other corps.” I don't know if

> > the1908

> > edition was altered to reflect the commission's version. The monuments

> > were

> > placed as per Carman's recommendation. Whatever the case, as late as

> > 1906, Carman

> > was unaware of 'non-trifling' discrepancies of the 1904 version.

> >

> > BTW, the fold-out map that accompanies the PR volume is a real gem: a

> > beautiful

> > depiction of the battlefield at the turn of the century (before the

> > various

> > bypasses were built) in color and wonderful topographical detail (20 ft

> > interval

> > contour lines). One of the nicest maps out there.

> >

> > T.R. Livesey

> > tlivesey@...

>

> >

>

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=125511040&searchurl=sts%3Dt%26t\

n%3Dpennsylvania%2Breserves%2Bat%2Bantietam%26x%3D0%26y%3D0



T.R. Livesey

tlivesey@...



On Sun 05/24/09  9:09 PM , "eighth_conn_inf" eighth_conn_inf@... sent:



> TR, it would be interesting to see the 3rd PR book's map.

>

> Larry

>

> --- In

> TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, T.R.Livesey

> wrote:>

OK, but it won't be anytime soon.  I am rushing to finish some other

stuff and go out of town for a week.



Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

Professor of History

Hagerstown Community College





>>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 05/24/09 10:09 PM >>>

Tom,



I also am interested in the changes as well as a set of the 1908 maps.

The best for them would be full size on sturdy, laminated paper,

obviously clearly printed in non fading ink as discussed below.



If you think this is possible, you could PM me with an estimated cost

just in case I don't win the lottery.



TR, it would be interesting to see the 3rd PR book's map.



Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...> wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> I'd be interested in the list of changes.

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@...

>

>

>

> On Sun 05/24/09  5:11 PM , "Thomas Clemens" clemenst@... sent:

> > Somewhere in the papers from Carman I found a listing of the

changes.

> > Will see if I can find it for you.  We have 8 x10 color negatives of

> > the1908 maps.  Maybe I should look into printing them poster-size?

> >

> > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

> > Professor of History

> > Hagerstown Community College

> >

> >

> > >>> T.R.Livesey  05/24/09 3:08 PM

> > >>>Larry,

> >

> > I have never had access to a 1908 version to compare.  My guess is

that

> > the

> > differences between the 2 are minor. A hint of possible changes can

be

> > extracted

> > from 1906 correspondence from Carman reprinted in the commemorative

> > volume of the

> > Pennsylvania Reserves (pp 95-8). There is a dispute between the

> > AntietamBattlefield Commission of Pennsylvania and Carman about the

proposed

> > placement of

> > the monuments for the 8th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd PR: they want the order

to

> > be 8th

> > 7th 4th and 3rd, whereas Carman's map shows 8th 3rd 4th 7th. After

> > making his

> > case, Carman laments : †It is unfortunate that this matter was

> > notdiscussed

> > earlier. My atlas has been published two years, and a copy sent to

each

> > regimental organization with the request that any apparent errors

might

> > be

> > reported, but not a criticism has been made of any position of the

> > FirstCorps,

> > and but one or two trifling ones in other corps.† I don't know if

> > the1908

> > edition was altered to reflect the commission's version. The

monuments

> > were

> > placed as per Carman's recommendation. Whatever the case, as late as

> > 1906, Carman

> > was unaware of 'non-trifling' discrepancies of the 1904 version.

> >

> > BTW, the fold-out map that accompanies the PR volume is a real gem:

a

> > beautiful

> > depiction of the battlefield at the turn of the century (before the

> > various

> > bypasses were built) in color and wonderful topographical detail (20

ft

> > interval

> > contour lines). One of the nicest maps out there.

> >

> > T.R. Livesey

> > tlivesey@...

>

> >

>

No rush, thx Tom.



--- On Mon, 5/25/09, Thomas Clemens <clemenst@...> wrote:





From: Thomas Clemens <clemenst@...>

Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: CC Map Question

To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 10:07 AM

















OK, but it won't be anytime soon. I am rushing to finish some other

stuff and go out of town for a week.



Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

Professor of History

Hagerstown Community College



>>> "eighth_conn_ inf" <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com> 05/24/09 10:09 PM >>>

Tom,



I also am interested in the changes as well as a set of the 1908 maps.

The best for them would be full size on sturdy, laminated paper,

obviously clearly printed in non fading ink as discussed below.



If you think this is possible, you could PM me with an estimated cost

just in case I don't win the lottery.



TR, it would be interesting to see the 3rd PR book's map.



Larry



--- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@.. .> wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> I'd be interested in the list of changes.

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@...

>

>

>

> On Sun 05/24/09 5:11 PM , "Thomas Clemens" clemenst@... sent:

> > Somewhere in the papers from Carman I found a listing of the

changes.

> > Will see if I can find it for you. We have 8 x10 color negatives of

> > the1908 maps. Maybe I should look into printing them poster-size?

> >

> > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

> > Professor of History

> > Hagerstown Community College

> >

> >

> > >>> T.R.Livesey 05/24/09 3:08 PM

> > >>>Larry,

> >

> > I have never had access to a 1908 version to compare. My guess is

that

> > the

> > differences between the 2 are minor. A hint of possible changes can

be

> > extracted

> > from 1906 correspondence from Carman reprinted in the commemorative

> > volume of the

> > Pennsylvania Reserves (pp 95-8). There is a dispute between the

> > AntietamBattlefield Commission of Pennsylvania and Carman about the

proposed

> > placement of

> > the monuments for the 8th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd PR: they want the order

to

> > be 8th

> > 7th 4th and 3rd, whereas Carman's map shows 8th 3rd 4th 7th. After

> > making his

> > case, Carman laments : †It is unfortunate that this matter was

> > notdiscussed

> > earlier. My atlas has been published two years, and a copy sent to

each

> > regimental organization with the request that any apparent errors

might

> > be

> > reported, but not a criticism has been made of any position of the

> > FirstCorps,

> > and but one or two trifling ones in other corps.†I don't know if

> > the1908

> > edition was altered to reflect the commission's version. The

monuments

> > were

> > placed as per Carman's recommendation. Whatever the case, as late as

> > 1906, Carman

> > was unaware of 'non-trifling' discrepancies of the 1904 version.

> >

> > BTW, the fold-out map that accompanies the PR volume is a real gem:

a

> > beautiful

> > depiction of the battlefield at the turn of the century (before the

> > various

> > bypasses were built) in color and wonderful topographical detail (20

ft

> > interval

> > contour lines). One of the nicest maps out there.

> >

> > T.R. Livesey

> > tlivesey@...

>

> >

>







































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Tom,



What would such a project cost? Would it be something SHAF could

offer at a discount to members?



Yr. Obt. Svt.

G E "Gerry" Mayers



To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even

on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the

Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from

the Almighty God. --Anonymous

----- Original Message -----

From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: CC Map Question





> Somewhere in the papers from Carman I found a listing of the

> changes.

> Will see if I can find it for you.  We have 8 x10 color

> negatives of the

> 1908 maps.  Maybe I should look into printing them poster-size?

>

> Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

> Professor of History

> Hagerstown Community College

>

>

>>>> T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...> 05/24/09 3:08

>>>> PM >>>

> Larry,

>

> I have never had access to a 1908 version to compare.  My guess

> is that

> the

> differences between the 2 are minor. A hint of possible changes

> can be

> extracted

> from 1906 correspondence from Carman reprinted in the

> commemorative

> volume of the

> Pennsylvania Reserves (pp 95-8). There is a dispute between the

> Antietam

> Battlefield Commission of Pennsylvania and Carman about the

> proposed

> placement of

> the monuments for the 8th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd PR: they want the

> order to

> be 8th

> 7th 4th and 3rd, whereas Carman's map shows 8th 3rd 4th 7th.

> After

> making his

> case, Carman laments : ”It is unfortunate that this matter was

> not

> discussed

> earlier. My atlas has been published two years, and a copy sent

> to each

> regimental organization with the request that any apparent

> errors might

> be

> reported, but not a criticism has been made of any position of

> the First

> Corps,

> and but one or two trifling ones in other corps.” I don't know

> if the

> 1908

> edition was altered to reflect the commission's version. The

> monuments

> were

> placed as per Carman's recommendation. Whatever the case, as

> late as

> 1906, Carman

> was unaware of 'non-trifling' discrepancies of the 1904

> version.

>

> BTW, the fold-out map that accompanies the PR volume is a real

> gem: a

> beautiful

> depiction of the battlefield at the turn of the century (before

> the

> various

> bypasses were built) in color and wonderful topographical

> detail (20 ft

> interval

> contour lines). One of the nicest maps out there.

>

> T.R. Livesey

> tlivesey@...

>

> On Sun 05/24/09 12:51 PM , "eighth_conn_inf"

> eighth_conn_inf@...

> sent:

>> TR,

>>

>> I looked at some of your flybys and they are interesting;

>> thanks for

>> sharing them. I will be instructive to see what Stephen comes

>> up with

> for

>> Virtual Antietam.

>> I've never heard that anyone owns the 1908 CC version let

>> alone

> listing the

>> differences between the two. Maybe Tom Clemens who is writing

>> about

> Carman

>> may have that version copied or at least talk about the

>> differences. I

>> recall someone--Jake Pierro--mentioned that the LOC has both

>> 1904 and

> 1908

>> versions but only has the 1904 on its website.

>> Someday someone may have a good printing done of the the 1908

>> version

> and

>> maybe even some done of some of the original prints of the OR

>> maps but

> my

>> guess is neither is likely to happen unless CWPT or some

>> wealthy CW

> fan

>> ponies up the required funds since neither will be best

>> sellers.

>> Larry

>>

>>

>

>>

>>

>

>

>

Gerry,



I think one could compare a high-quality printing run with Morningside's

printing of the Bachelder maps.  They  printed them years ago, and the

set of 28 (37 x 27) run $250.  They've been that price for many years,

and I think that's a very fair price.  I don't have them, but I've seen

them, and they are the quality we would like to see in the CC maps (much

better than the one in the museum).  If someone was willing to have them

printed, I would make sure that they had the money in hand from those

interested before starting out.  My feeling is that $20-$25 for each map

would be a good price, but that's still a lot of money for most folks

and I don't believe it could be done that cheaply in any event.  Maybe

we can turn this in as a Stimulus package request.



Dave McGowan



G E Mayers wrote:

>

>

> Dear Tom,

>

> What would such a project cost? Would it be something SHAF could

> offer at a discount to members?

>

> Yr. Obt. Svt.

> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>

> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even

> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the

> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from

> the Almighty God. --Anonymous

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...

> <mailto:clemenst%40hagerstowncc.edu>>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>>

> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:11 PM

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: CC Map Question

>

> > Somewhere in the papers from Carman I found a listing of the

> > changes.

> > Will see if I can find it for you. We have 8 x10 color

> > negatives of the

> > 1908 maps. Maybe I should look into printing them poster-size?

> >

> > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.

> > Professor of History

> > Hagerstown Community College

> >

> >

> >>>> T.R.Livesey <tlivesey@...

> <mailto:tlivesey%40westwoodgalleries.com>> 05/24/09 3:08

> >>>> PM >>>

> > Larry,

> >

> > I have never had access to a 1908 version to compare. My guess

> > is that

> > the

> > differences between the 2 are minor. A hint of possible changes

> > can be

> > extracted

> > from 1906 correspondence from Carman reprinted in the

> > commemorative

> > volume of the

> > Pennsylvania Reserves (pp 95-8). There is a dispute between the

> > Antietam

> > Battlefield Commission of Pennsylvania and Carman about the

> > proposed

> > placement of

> > the monuments for the 8th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd PR: they want the

> > order to

> > be 8th

> > 7th 4th and 3rd, whereas Carman's map shows 8th 3rd 4th 7th.

> > After

> > making his

> > case, Carman laments : ”It is unfortunate that this matter was

> > not

> > discussed

> > earlier. My atlas has been published two years, and a copy sent

> > to each

> > regimental organization with the request that any apparent

> > errors might

> > be

> > reported, but not a criticism has been made of any position of

> > the First

> > Corps,

> > and but one or two trifling ones in other corps.” I don't know

> > if the

> > 1908

> > edition was altered to reflect the commission's version. The

> > monuments

> > were

> > placed as per Carman's recommendation. Whatever the case, as

> > late as

> > 1906, Carman

> > was unaware of 'non-trifling' discrepancies of the 1904

> > version.

> >

> > BTW, the fold-out map that accompanies the PR volume is a real

> > gem: a

> > beautiful

> > depiction of the battlefield at the turn of the century (before

> > the

> > various

> > bypasses were built) in color and wonderful topographical

> > detail (20 ft

> > interval

> > contour lines). One of the nicest maps out there.

> >

> > T.R. Livesey

> > tlivesey@... <mailto:tlivesey%40westwoodgalleries.com>

> >

> > On Sun 05/24/09 12:51 PM , "eighth_conn_inf"

> > eighth_conn_inf@... <mailto:eighth_conn_inf%40yahoo.com>

> > sent:

> >> TR,

> >>

> >> I looked at some of your flybys and they are interesting;

> >> thanks for

> >> sharing them. I will be instructive to see what Stephen comes

> >> up with

> > for

> >> Virtual Antietam.

> >> I've never heard that anyone owns the 1908 CC version let

> >> alone

> > listing the

> >> differences between the two. Maybe Tom Clemens who is writing

> >> about

> > Carman

> >> may have that version copied or at least talk about the

> >> differences. I

> >> recall someone--Jake Pierro--mentioned that the LOC has both

> >> 1904 and

> > 1908

> >> versions but only has the 1904 on its website.

> >> Someday someone may have a good printing done of the the 1908

> >> version

> > and

> >> maybe even some done of some of the original prints of the OR

> >> maps but

> > my

> >> guess is neither is likely to happen unless CWPT or some

> >> wealthy CW

> > fan

> >> ponies up the required funds since neither will be best

> >> sellers.

> >> Larry

> >>

> >>

> >

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

>