Dean; Forgot about Sumner. I thought Franklin was himself a wing commander? IIRC Sumner is the one who anchors the right wing of the AoP advance towards...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 5, 2009 2:03 pm
Well it's funny because IIRC I think Harsh mentions it in his book TATF. And Joe Harsh discredited Walker's B&L account entirely. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E "Gerry"...
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Dean Essig
dean_essig
Feb 5, 2009 2:04 pm
... Franklin was... but didn't get the chance to throw his weight around anywhere because he was standing next to Sumner who out ranked him by miles. [Non-text...
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Dean Essig
dean_essig
Feb 5, 2009 2:09 pm
Yes, and Harsh's footnote points right at the source (can't recall the man's name, but he was one of Evander Law's aides)... that article in the Southern...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 5, 2009 7:01 pm
Wonder if there is anything in Confederate Veteran? Yr. Obt. Svt. G E "Gerry" Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one's...
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Dean Essig
dean_essig
Feb 5, 2009 7:04 pm
If there is, and not from the same guy, I'd love to see it. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Bryn Monnery
littlegreenm...
Feb 5, 2009 8:31 pm
... 1. The Federal Wings The reorg occurred earlier. The three wings marching out from South Mountain were: Sumners' Left Wing: 1st, 2nd and 12th, with the...
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Dean Essig
dean_essig
Feb 5, 2009 8:39 pm
See Armstong's _Unfurl those Colors_, everything you ever wanted to know about Sumner at Antietam. Dean ... [Non-text portions of this message have been...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 5, 2009 9:20 pm
Dear Bryn, While a lot of what you state is true, you are still, IMHO, ignoring one VERY important fact: Most of the troop dispositions as they occurred on the...
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Thomas Clemens
eacarman1862
Feb 5, 2009 9:28 pm
The wing command of Burnside, formailized in writing on the 14th, although in practical effect much earlier, was suspended by order of McClellan on Sept. 15....
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 5, 2009 9:32 pm
Bryn, Re the report from Cobb's Legion. They were SEPARATED from their normal command (McLaws' division) and fell in with Rodes' brigade at the western end of...
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Thomas Clemens
eacarman1862
Feb 5, 2009 9:36 pm
The idea of the ANV at Antietam divided into three wings with senior commanders is unfounded and unprovable. No doubt D.H. Hill exercised his seniority to...
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Dean Essig
dean_essig
Feb 5, 2009 9:43 pm
Thank you, Tom. I was under the impressing the ending of the wings here was not formalized and that was what the problem was. Thanks for the correction. ... ...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 5, 2009 9:51 pm
Dear Tom, What you write here makes sense to me and I am in agreement, based on all my years of research and reading here. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E "Gerry" Mayers To...
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DPowell334@...
dpowell334
Feb 6, 2009 12:11 am
Tom, Orbat is modern jargon. don't see it used much in ACW terms. The thing that strikes me most about the ANV up to this time is that it had a very informal...
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DPowell334@...
dpowell334
Feb 6, 2009 12:18 am
I dimly recall references to the staff organizing 'straggler units' of 2-300 men for last ditch efforts, but nothing to match what was previously described. ...
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Dean Essig
dean_essig
Feb 6, 2009 12:23 am
Hey Dave! Lee's staff threw together a small 250 or so man regiment by sending a staff member into the center of town to collar anyone he saw. Hill slapped...
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Bryn Monnery
littlegreenm...
Feb 6, 2009 12:46 am
The Seven Days organisation was based on seniority too. Something I've in progress is a piece on the Seven Days org: The Confederate force assembled for the...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 6, 2009 3:48 am
Dave, Actually Tom C wrote those comments... I am simply in agreement. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E "Gerry" Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption,...
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Bryn Monnery
littlegreenm...
Feb 6, 2009 9:13 am
... although in practical effect much earlier, was suspended by order of McClellan on Sept. 15. See OR series 1, Vol. 19. pt. 2, p 297. If Burnside ignored...
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Bryn Monnery
littlegreenm...
Feb 6, 2009 9:23 am
... commanders is unfounded and unprovable. No doubt D.H. Hill exercised his seniority to issue orders to other commanders, but it is a mistake to confuse...
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Bryn Monnery
littlegreenm...
Feb 6, 2009 10:12 am
Further, when Lee is asked to nominate Lt Gens as Corps Commanders he nominates three officers, not two. They are Longstreet and Jackson, obviously, but also...
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DPowell334@...
dpowell334
Feb 6, 2009 11:48 am
Perhaps I am confused, Gerry, but I thought that I was addressing Tom. That's why I opened my comments with "Tom":) Dave In a message dated 2/5/2009 9:49:10...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 6, 2009 1:45 pm
Bryn, To which brigadiers in McLaws' division does D H Hill issue orders on September 17th? D H Hill NEVER was a wing commander as Tom Clemens pointed out. He...
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DPowell334@...
dpowell334
Feb 6, 2009 1:54 pm
In a message dated 2/6/2009 7:21:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, d.essig@... writes: Hey Dave! Lee's staff threw together a small 250 or so man...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 6, 2009 1:54 pm
Bryn; There might have been some personal animus there with respects to D H Hill.... Lee complained about Hill being a "croaker"... but Lee also set high...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 6, 2009 1:55 pm
Sorry, I do not think I saw that... I did see the header which had my email address and then what Tom said.... Yr. Obt. Svt. G E "Gerry" Mayers To Be A...
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DPowell334@...
dpowell334
Feb 6, 2009 2:02 pm
Independently of this, when Bragg was with the AOT from August to October, 1863, a number of other officers found him a pain in the a**. "Croaker" seems an...
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G E Mayers
njrebel1999
Feb 6, 2009 2:06 pm
Dave, Did you mean Bragg or Hill or both? Bragg definitely had his own health issues, which contributed mightily to his abysmal performance as commander of the...
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Thomas Clemens
eacarman1862
Feb 6, 2009 7:46 pm
Bryn, As someone who worked very closely with Joe Harsh, (read the acknowledgements), I am very familiar with his ideas about D.H. Hill's status during the...
