I seem to recall reading that it was Weed firing from East of the
creek. He had been holding back for fear of hitting his own men, but
once the Confederates hit the top of that little ridge he opened fire.

Stephen

On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:34  AM, G E Mayers wrote:

> Gang,
>
> I am forwarding an earlier message since I have not seen it show
> up, yet, on here. If anyone else has received it previously,
> input to the question would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:46 PM
> Subject: Antietam question
>
>
>> Gang;
>>
>> Once the Sunken Road section of the Confederate battle line was
>> successfully breached by Richardson's division of the US II
>> Corps
>> (along with some additional support from units of other Corps,
>> IIRC) and the Confederate survivors retreated from the lane
>> through the Piper Cornfield and Orchard, IIRC they increasingly
>> came under successful Federal artillery fire.
>>
>> If my memory is correct, which Federal batteries were firing on
>> the Confederate defenders in the Sunken Road sector and where
>> were those batteries posted?
>>
>> Thanks for your input!
>>
>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>>
>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the Heth/Sterns map
made for the Antietam battlefield Board  and neither have anything at
that corner.

Stephen





On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35  AM, G E Mayers wrote:

> Gang,
>
> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question posted the
> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has not yet
> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
>
>
>> Gang,
>>
>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of Antietam?
>>
>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire Sunken
>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm titled
>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm Road meets
>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
>>
>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that general
>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a farmstead
>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of Anderson's
>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that about
>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of the
>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle) Bridge
>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into two
>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
>>
>> Any comments???
>>
>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>>
>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On page 245 of Landscape Turned Red, Sears mentions that when Posey
tries to extricate his MIssissippians, it starts a stampede to the
rear. The footnote for that paragraph doesn't mention where that stpry
comes from, unless it is from Shinn. Does anyone know of the origin of
the story about Posey's brigade breaking and taking the rest of the
line with it? Thanks.

Stephen

Stephen,

If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the information
there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper Farm
Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
Antietam maps


>I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the Heth/Sterns
>map
> made for the Antietam battlefield Board  and neither have
> anything at
> that corner.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35  AM, G E Mayers wrote:
>
>> Gang,
>>
>> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question posted
>> the
>> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has not
>> yet
>> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
>>
>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>>
>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
>> even
>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
>> from
>> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
>> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
>>
>>
>>> Gang,
>>>
>>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of Antietam?
>>>
>>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire Sunken
>>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm titled
>>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm Road
>>> meets
>>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
>>>
>>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that general
>>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a farmstead
>>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
>>> Anderson's
>>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
>>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that about
>>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of the
>>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
>>> Bridge
>>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into two
>>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
>>>
>>> Any comments???
>>>
>>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>>>
>>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
>>> even
>>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
>>> the
>>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
>>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>

The 1904 edition of the Carman/Cope maps show a small triangular plot
with buildings in that area.  It was bounded on the south by the
Boonsboro Pike, the esat by the Sunken Road course, and the west by
what looks like a farm lane that extends to the south to meet the
Boonsboro Pike from where the Sunken Road angles to the southeast.
It looks like the farm lane is bordered on both sides by post and
rail faces.  The plot was planted in corn and it labeled "Newcomer".
That's in addition to the Newcomer farm on the west bank of Amtietam
Creek.

The 0830 map shows GB Anderson's brigade straddling the Boonsboro
Pike just to the east of and generally parallel to the Sunken Road
where it borders the triangular plot of land.

Hope this helps.

Brian Richardson

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
wrote:
>
> Stephen,
>
> If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the information
> there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper Farm
> Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> Antietam maps
>
>
> >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the Heth/Sterns
> >map
> > made for the Antietam battlefield Board  and neither have
> > anything at
> > that corner.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35  AM, G E Mayers wrote:
> >
> >> Gang,
> >>
> >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question posted
> >> the
> >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has not
> >> yet
> >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
> >>
> >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >>
> >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> >> even
> >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> >> from
> >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
> >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
> >>
> >>
> >>> Gang,
> >>>
> >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of Antietam?
> >>>
> >>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire Sunken
> >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm titled
> >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm Road
> >>> meets
> >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
> >>>
> >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that general
> >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a farmstead
> >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
> >>> Anderson's
> >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
> >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that about
> >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of the
> >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
> >>> Bridge
> >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into two
> >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
> >>>
> >>> Any comments???
> >>>
> >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >>>
> >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> >>> even
> >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> >>> the
> >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

I was looking at the wrong spot. On the 1904 Cope map this and the
house to the east against the creek are both labeled Newcomer. On the
1895 Hotchkiss map there is no farm at either spot. On the 1904
Heth/Sterns map the house to the west is D. Myers and the house by the
creek is T. Myers. On the Gould map based on the 1860's Michler map,
they are D. Myers and J. Myer respectively.

I don't know anything about the Myers family, but Carman mentions them:
"Two companies were sent to the left, beyond the Snavely buildings and
were deployed behind the stone and rail fences of the road leading to
Myers' Ford, and at the foot of a bluff, upon which was a large
cornfield, in which Munford had his cavalry skirmishers, who advancing
to the brow of the bluff, opened fire, and Eshleman's Louisiana
battery, about 600 yards to the right and front dropped shrapnel among
them."

I don't think he mentions Keplinger. There were some Keplingers living
in Benevola (Beaver Creek) back them.

Stephen




On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 08:51  AM, G E Mayers wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the information
> there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper Farm
> Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> Antietam maps
>
> >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the Heth/Sterns
> >map
> > made for the Antietam battlefield Board and neither have
> > anything at
> > that corner.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, G E Mayers wrote:
> >
> >> Gang,
> >>
> >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question posted
> >> the
> >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has not
> >> yet
> >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
> >>
> >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >>
> >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> >> even
> >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> >> from
> >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
> >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
> >>
> >>
> >>> Gang,
> >>>
> >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of Antietam?
> >>>
> >>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire Sunken
> >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm titled
> >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm Road
> >>> meets
> >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
> >>>
> >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that general
> >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a farmstead
> >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
> >>> Anderson's
> >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
> >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that about
> >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of the
> >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
> >>> Bridge
> >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into two
> >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
> >>>
> >>> Any comments???
> >>>
> >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >>>
> >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> >>> even
> >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> >>> the
> >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I found this in Carman: While Pryor's and Featherston's brigades, after
their repulse, were lying in the road with G. B. Anderson's men, they
were subjected to a severe fire of artillery and musketry.  The sudden
advance ordered by Colonel Barnes started some of the men to the rear
and Colonel Posey, observing the crowded condition of the troops in the
road, subjected to much loss, ordered his own brigade to retire.  A
scene of great confusion now ensued from the mingling of different
brigades.  Caldwell's Brigade now swept to the front [and opened fire-
crossed out] and Pryor's and Featherston's men retreated carrying with
them the 4th and 30th North Carolina.  Colonel Bennett reports that
while he was observing the right of his brigade "masses of Confederate
troops in great confusion were seen, portions of Major General
Anderson's Division, as we then knew, for the 16th Mississippi and the
2nd Florida of that command [left regiments respectively of Featherston
and Pryor], coming to our succor, broke beyond the power of rallying
after five minutes stay.  In this stampede, if we may so term it, the
4th North Carolina State Troops and the 30th North Carolina State
Troops participated."  As an officer of the 4th North Carolina writes:
"I think Featherston was started to the right, but instead of getting
there came up behind us, where he was not needed, for we could have
held our position indefinitely.  He sustained great loss in killed and
wounded and I have always thought was the cause of the line breaking,
for when he found he was not needed there he gave an order to fall
back, which was mistaken for a general order and all that could walk
went back with him, which caused a general break in the line."

Perfect. You can always cound on Carman. Now, the question is (calling
Tom Clemens) who was the officer in the 4th NC who made those comments?
Thanks.

Stephen


On Sunday, November 30, 2008, at 08:43  AM, Stephen Recker wrote:

> On page 245 of Landscape Turned Red, Sears mentions that when Posey
> tries to extricate his MIssissippians, it starts a stampede to the
> rear. The footnote for that paragraph doesn't mention where that stpry
> comes from, unless it is from Shinn. Does anyone know of the origin of
> the story about Posey's brigade breaking and taking the rest of the
> line with it? Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
>

> Brian,

Thanks.

There's a new book coming out this month about the 4th NC: Confederate
Correspondent: The Civil War Reports of Jacob Nathaniel Raymer, Fourth
North Carolina by Jacob Nathaniel Raymer

Seems to me I saw a book about the 4th NC a while back but can not
remember the title.

Stephen

>
> The 0830 map shows GB Anderson's brigade straddling the Boonsboro
> Pike just to the east of and generally parallel to the Sunken Road
> where it borders the triangular plot of land.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Brian Richardson


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Guys;

I think we are getting mighty confused here.

First, the Myers farms appear to be down by Snavely Ford...which
is _not_ the area of my interest. Same for Benevola, which is
along the National Turnpike from Boonsborough to Hagerstown.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
Antietam maps


>I was looking at the wrong spot. On the 1904 Cope map this and
>the
> house to the east against the creek are both labeled Newcomer.
> On the
> 1895 Hotchkiss map there is no farm at either spot. On the 1904
> Heth/Sterns map the house to the west is D. Myers and the house
> by the
> creek is T. Myers. On the Gould map based on the 1860's Michler
> map,
> they are D. Myers and J. Myer respectively.
>
> I don't know anything about the Myers family, but Carman
> mentions them:
> "Two companies were sent to the left, beyond the Snavely
> buildings and
> were deployed behind the stone and rail fences of the road
> leading to
> Myers' Ford, and at the foot of a bluff, upon which was a large
> cornfield, in which Munford had his cavalry skirmishers, who
> advancing
> to the brow of the bluff, opened fire, and Eshleman's Louisiana
> battery, about 600 yards to the right and front dropped
> shrapnel among
> them."
>
> I don't think he mentions Keplinger. There were some Keplingers
> living
> in Benevola (Beaver Creek) back them.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 08:51  AM, G E Mayers wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the
>> information
>> there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper
>> Farm
>> Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
>>
>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>>
>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
>> even
>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
>> from
>> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
>> Antietam maps
>>
>> >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the
>> >Heth/Sterns
>> >map
>> > made for the Antietam battlefield Board and neither have
>> > anything at
>> > that corner.
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, G E Mayers
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gang,
>> >>
>> >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question posted
>> >> the
>> >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has
>> >> not
>> >> yet
>> >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>> >>
>> >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
>> >> even
>> >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
>> >> the
>> >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
>> >> from
>> >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
>> >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
>> >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Gang,
>> >>>
>> >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of Antietam?
>> >>>
>> >>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire
>> >>> Sunken
>> >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm
>> >>> titled
>> >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm Road
>> >>> meets
>> >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that
>> >>> general
>> >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a
>> >>> farmstead
>> >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
>> >>> Anderson's
>> >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
>> >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that
>> >>> about
>> >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of the
>> >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
>> >>> Bridge
>> >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into
>> >>> two
>> >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any comments???
>> >>>
>> >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>> >>>
>> >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
>> >>> even
>> >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
>> >>> the
>> >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
>> >>> benediction
>> >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Stephen,

Good question! I do know that J W Shinn, a First Sergeant of
Company B of the 4th NC, made some acerbic comments about the men
retreating from the Sunken Road.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Right flank retreat at Sunken Road


>I found this in Carman: While Pryor's and Featherston's
>brigades, after
> their repulse, were lying in the road with G. B. Anderson's
> men, they
> were subjected to a severe fire of artillery and musketry.  The
> sudden
> advance ordered by Colonel Barnes started some of the men to
> the rear
> and Colonel Posey, observing the crowded condition of the
> troops in the
> road, subjected to much loss, ordered his own brigade to
> retire.  A
> scene of great confusion now ensued from the mingling of
> different
> brigades.  Caldwell's Brigade now swept to the front [and
> opened fire-
> crossed out] and Pryor's and Featherston's men retreated
> carrying with
> them the 4th and 30th North Carolina.  Colonel Bennett reports
> that
> while he was observing the right of his brigade "masses of
> Confederate
> troops in great confusion were seen, portions of Major General
> Anderson's Division, as we then knew, for the 16th Mississippi
> and the
> 2nd Florida of that command [left regiments respectively of
> Featherston
> and Pryor], coming to our succor, broke beyond the power of
> rallying
> after five minutes stay.  In this stampede, if we may so term
> it, the
> 4th North Carolina State Troops and the 30th North Carolina
> State
> Troops participated."  As an officer of the 4th North Carolina
> writes:
> "I think Featherston was started to the right, but instead of
> getting
> there came up behind us, where he was not needed, for we could
> have
> held our position indefinitely.  He sustained great loss in
> killed and
> wounded and I have always thought was the cause of the line
> breaking,
> for when he found he was not needed there he gave an order to
> fall
> back, which was mistaken for a general order and all that could
> walk
> went back with him, which caused a general break in the line."
>
> Perfect. You can always cound on Carman. Now, the question is
> (calling
> Tom Clemens) who was the officer in the 4th NC who made those
> comments?
> Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On Sunday, November 30, 2008, at 08:43  AM, Stephen Recker
> wrote:
>
>> On page 245 of Landscape Turned Red, Sears mentions that when
>> Posey
>> tries to extricate his MIssissippians, it starts a stampede to
>> the
>> rear. The footnote for that paragraph doesn't mention where
>> that stpry
>> comes from, unless it is from Shinn. Does anyone know of the
>> origin of
>> the story about Posey's brigade breaking and taking the rest
>> of the
>> line with it? Thanks.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>
>

Brian and Stephen,

According to maps in Joe Harsh's Taken at the Flood, Evans'
independent brigade also was posted in the same general area, at
least until the morning of September 17th IIRC. Is this correct?
If so, where were the members of Evans' Brigade posted if G B
Anderson also was posted along the Sunken Road juncture with the
Boonsborough Turnpike???

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
Antietam maps


>> Brian,
>
> Thanks.
>
> There's a new book coming out this month about the 4th NC:
> Confederate
> Correspondent: The Civil War Reports of Jacob Nathaniel Raymer,
> Fourth
> North Carolina by Jacob Nathaniel Raymer
>
> Seems to me I saw a book about the 4th NC a while back but can
> not
> remember the title.
>
> Stephen
>
>>
>> The 0830 map shows GB Anderson's brigade straddling the
>> Boonsboro
>> Pike just to the east of and generally parallel to the Sunken
>> Road
>> where it borders the triangular plot of land.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Brian Richardson
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

That is J. Myers down by Snavely Ford.

D. Myers and T. Myers are on the Boonsborough Turnpike where you are
talking about.

Stephen

On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 01:54  PM, G E Mayers wrote:

> I think we are getting mighty confused here.
>
> First, the Myers farms appear to be down by Snavely Ford...which
> is _not_ the area of my interest. Same for Benevola, which is
> along the National Turnpike from Boonsborough to Hagerstown.

I am trying to find the exact original position of a monument at
Antietam that was moved at a later date to a position 2,500 feet away.
Just for fun, I'll put it out as a trivia question first.

Which Antietam monument now sits approx. 2,500 feet from its original
position?

Stephen

Tom;

This is an older post which I saved and have been reviewing the
file of saved emails in conjunction with my book project. When
you cite the Ridge Road in the post below, do you mean that
little path running from slightly to the left/behind the Mountain
House to Fox's Gap, intersecting the Old Sharpsburg/Reno Monument
Road?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re G B Anderson Brigade Approach to
and Retreat from Fox's Gap


> The National Road (Alt. Rt. 40) to the Mountain House, the
> Ridge Road to
> Fox's Gap, and back.  Then National Road to Boonsboro,
> Boonsoboro-Shepherdstown Pike to Sharpsburg.
>
>
> Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> Professor of History
> Hagerstown Community College
>
>
>>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 10/27/07 2:57 PM >>>
> Gang,
>
> Would someone be able to tell me how G B Anderson's NC Brigade
> approached/marched to Fox's Gap from the Benevola area on the
> morning of September 14, 1862 and how the Brigade retreated
> from
> Fox's Gap the night of September 14th, and down into
> Sharpsburg?
>
> What I need is a good idea of what roads or trails the Brigade
> would have used.
>
> Thanks!!!!
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Good question.   Pierro didn't find the source, and although I have not done a
lot of digging yet, my suspicion is that it came from something like Confederate
veteran or something like it.  Perhaps a newspaper article.  The only letter to
the the Battlefield Board from G.B. Anderson's brigade that exists in the Carman
papers is a map from an officer in the 14th NC.  Because of their importance in
the battle I cannot believe that the board only got one letter, but I suspect
many of the letters have been scattered, or looted, after Carman died.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> Stephen Recker <recker@...> 11/30/08 1:13 PM >>>
I As an officer of the 4th North Carolina writes:
"I think Featherston was started to the right, but instead of getting
there came up behind us, where he was not needed, for we could have
held our position indefinitely.  He sustained great loss in killed and
wounded and I have always thought was the cause of the line breaking,
for when he found he was not needed there he gave an order to fall
back, which was mistaken for a general order and all that could walk
went back with him, which caused a general break in the line."

Perfect. You can always cound on Carman. Now, the question is (calling
Tom Clemens) who was the officer in the 4th NC who made those comments?
Thanks.

Stephen


On Sunday, November 30, 2008, at 08:43  AM, Stephen Recker wrote:

> On page 245 of Landscape Turned Red, Sears mentions that when Posey
> tries to extricate his MIssissippians, it starts a stampede to the
> rear. The footnote for that paragraph doesn't mention where that stpry
> comes from, unless it is from Shinn. Does anyone know of the origin of
> the story about Posey's brigade breaking and taking the rest of the
> line with it? Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
>

Yes, it is now the Appalacian Trail.  It was wide enough to drive a battery of
artillery along it.


Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 12/30/08 2:48 PM >>>
Tom;

This is an older post which I saved and have been reviewing the
file of saved emails in conjunction with my book project. When
you cite the Ridge Road in the post below, do you mean that
little path running from slightly to the left/behind the Mountain
House to Fox's Gap, intersecting the Old Sharpsburg/Reno Monument
Road?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re G B Anderson Brigade Approach to
and Retreat from Fox's Gap


> The National Road (Alt. Rt. 40) to the Mountain House, the
> Ridge Road to
> Fox's Gap, and back.  Then National Road to Boonsboro,
> Boonsoboro-Shepherdstown Pike to Sharpsburg.
>
>
> Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> Professor of History
> Hagerstown Community College
>
>
>>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 10/27/07 2:57 PM >>>
> Gang,
>
> Would someone be able to tell me how G B Anderson's NC Brigade
> approached/marched to Fox's Gap from the Benevola area on the
> morning of September 14, 1862 and how the Brigade retreated
> from
> Fox's Gap the night of September 14th, and down into
> Sharpsburg?
>
> What I need is a good idea of what roads or trails the Brigade
> would have used.
>
> Thanks!!!!
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Dear Tom,

Thanks. That is what I thought.....

BTW, do you happen to have a copy of Shinn's Diary on a CD? I did
have a copy on a diskette but my current computer no longer
allows for 3.5 diskettes.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re G B Anderson Brigade Approach to
and Retreat from Fox's Gap


Yes, it is now the Appalacian Trail.  It was wide enough to drive
a battery of artillery along it.


Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 12/30/08 2:48 PM >>>
Tom;

This is an older post which I saved and have been reviewing the
file of saved emails in conjunction with my book project. When
you cite the Ridge Road in the post below, do you mean that
little path running from slightly to the left/behind the Mountain
House to Fox's Gap, intersecting the Old Sharpsburg/Reno Monument
Road?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] re G B Anderson Brigade Approach to
and Retreat from Fox's Gap


> The National Road (Alt. Rt. 40) to the Mountain House, the
> Ridge Road to
> Fox's Gap, and back.  Then National Road to Boonsboro,
> Boonsoboro-Shepherdstown Pike to Sharpsburg.
>
>
> Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> Professor of History
> Hagerstown Community College
>
>
>>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 10/27/07 2:57 PM >>>
> Gang,
>
> Would someone be able to tell me how G B Anderson's NC Brigade
> approached/marched to Fox's Gap from the Benevola area on the
> morning of September 14, 1862 and how the Brigade retreated
> from
> Fox's Gap the night of September 14th, and down into
> Sharpsburg?
>
> What I need is a good idea of what roads or trails the Brigade
> would have used.
>
> Thanks!!!!
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Stephen Recker wrote:

<Snip>
>
> Seems to me I saw a book about the 4th NC a while back but can not
> remember the title.

    I wonder if you're thinking of the book by Neil Hunter Raiford? If
so, that book is on the 4th N.C. cavalry. IIRC, the 4th NC Cav was not
at Antietam.

Regards,
Teej
>

Gerry -

That same 0830 Carman map shows the regiments of Evans's brigade
scattered between the Piper and Sherrick farms.  The 18th SC was
posted south of and parallel to the Piper farm lane just east of the
Piper house. The 22nd SC was at the northwestern base of the hill
where Mountain View Cemetery now is, and the 23rd SC was to the west
of that cemetery with its right resting on the Boonsboro Pike.  The
17th SC and the Holcombe Legion were on the west side of the Sherrick
farm lane with the Legion generally between the Sherrick and Stone
Mill orchards and the 17th adjacent to them to the north.

There was also a body of troops that formed a picket line east of the
Sherrick farm lane in front of where the National Cemetery now is -
the same general area taken by some of Sykes's regulars later in the
day.  This was a detachment of 85 to 100 men from GT Anderson's
brigade that were left behind when that Anderson's brigade was moved
north.

All the best,

Brian

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
wrote:
>
> Brian and Stephen,
>
> According to maps in Joe Harsh's Taken at the Flood, Evans'
> independent brigade also was posted in the same general area, at
> least until the morning of September 17th IIRC. Is this correct?
> If so, where were the members of Evans' Brigade posted if G B
> Anderson also was posted along the Sunken Road juncture with the
> Boonsborough Turnpike???
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> Antietam maps
>
>
> >> Brian,
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > There's a new book coming out this month about the 4th NC:
> > Confederate
> > Correspondent: The Civil War Reports of Jacob Nathaniel Raymer,
> > Fourth
> > North Carolina by Jacob Nathaniel Raymer
> >
> > Seems to me I saw a book about the 4th NC a while back but can
> > not
> > remember the title.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >>
> >> The 0830 map shows GB Anderson's brigade straddling the
> >> Boonsboro
> >> Pike just to the east of and generally parallel to the Sunken
> >> Road
> >> where it borders the triangular plot of land.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Brian Richardson
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>

Teej,

Yeah, you are probably right. Oh, well, at least there is another new
book for my Christmas list. Thanks.

Stephen

On Sunday, November 30, 2008, at 11:57  PM, barringer63 wrote:

> Stephen Recker wrote:
>
> <Snip>
> >
> > Seems to me I saw a book about the 4th NC a while back but can not
> > remember the title.
>
> I wonder if you're thinking of the book by Neil Hunter Raiford? If
> so, that book is on the 4th N.C. cavalry. IIRC, the 4th NC Cav was not
> at Antietam.
>
> Regards,
> Teej
> >


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Brian;

That does help. So, according to Cope, Evans' Independent Brigade
(which might have been under command of the Colonel who led the
organization at Turner's Gap rather than by Evans himself) was
actually somewhat "scattered" and not kept together as a cohesive
unit, unlike G B Anderson.

From what you are saying, it would appear, based on the War
Department tablet information (now missing) about the position of
the NC brigade commended by Anderson, that Evans's unit was
actually a little ahead of GB Anderson's men in some cases, or a
little behind them....

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Richardson" <BrianSRich@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:35 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
Antietam maps


Gerry -

That same 0830 Carman map shows the regiments of Evans's brigade
scattered between the Piper and Sherrick farms.  The 18th SC was
posted south of and parallel to the Piper farm lane just east of
the
Piper house. The 22nd SC was at the northwestern base of the hill
where Mountain View Cemetery now is, and the 23rd SC was to the
west
of that cemetery with its right resting on the Boonsboro Pike.
The
17th SC and the Holcombe Legion were on the west side of the
Sherrick
farm lane with the Legion generally between the Sherrick and
Stone
Mill orchards and the 17th adjacent to them to the north.

There was also a body of troops that formed a picket line east of
the
Sherrick farm lane in front of where the National Cemetery now
is -
the same general area taken by some of Sykes's regulars later in
the
day.  This was a detachment of 85 to 100 men from GT Anderson's
brigade that were left behind when that Anderson's brigade was
moved
north.

All the best,

Brian

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
wrote:
>
> Brian and Stephen,
>
> According to maps in Joe Harsh's Taken at the Flood, Evans'
> independent brigade also was posted in the same general area,
> at
> least until the morning of September 17th IIRC. Is this
> correct?
> If so, where were the members of Evans' Brigade posted if G B
> Anderson also was posted along the Sunken Road juncture with
> the
> Boonsborough Turnpike???
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding
> McElfresh
> Antietam maps
>
>
> >> Brian,
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > There's a new book coming out this month about the 4th NC:
> > Confederate
> > Correspondent: The Civil War Reports of Jacob Nathaniel
> > Raymer,
> > Fourth
> > North Carolina by Jacob Nathaniel Raymer
> >
> > Seems to me I saw a book about the 4th NC a while back but
> > can
> > not
> > remember the title.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >>
> >> The 0830 map shows GB Anderson's brigade straddling the
> >> Boonsboro
> >> Pike just to the east of and generally parallel to the
> >> Sunken
> >> Road
> >> where it borders the triangular plot of land.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Brian Richardson
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>

Gerry and Stephen,

John Keplinger, per Ernst, resided near the Sunken Road and was killed
by a shell blast after the battle while handling a projectile found on
his land. I do not know how many years after the battle this accident
occurred, but can check her source if you'd like.

Best,

Steve

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:
>
> I was looking at the wrong spot. On the 1904 Cope map this and the
> house to the east against the creek are both labeled Newcomer. On the
> 1895 Hotchkiss map there is no farm at either spot. On the 1904
> Heth/Sterns map the house to the west is D. Myers and the house by the
> creek is T. Myers. On the Gould map based on the 1860's Michler map,
> they are D. Myers and J. Myer respectively.
>
> I don't know anything about the Myers family, but Carman mentions them:
> "Two companies were sent to the left, beyond the Snavely buildings and
> were deployed behind the stone and rail fences of the road leading to
> Myers' Ford, and at the foot of a bluff, upon which was a large
> cornfield, in which Munford had his cavalry skirmishers, who advancing
> to the brow of the bluff, opened fire, and Eshleman's Louisiana
> battery, about 600 yards to the right and front dropped shrapnel among
> them."
>
> I don't think he mentions Keplinger. There were some Keplingers living
> in Benevola (Beaver Creek) back them.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 08:51  AM, G E Mayers wrote:
>
> > Stephen,
> >
> > If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the information
> > there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper Farm
> > Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
> >
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> > Antietam maps
> >
> > >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the Heth/Sterns
> > >map
> > > made for the Antietam battlefield Board and neither have
> > > anything at
> > > that corner.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, G E Mayers wrote:
> > >
> > >> Gang,
> > >>
> > >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question posted
> > >> the
> > >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has not
> > >> yet
> > >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
> > >>
> > >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > >>
> > >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > >> even
> > >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> > >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > >> from
> > >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
> > >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> > >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Gang,
> > >>>
> > >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of Antietam?
> > >>>
> > >>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire Sunken
> > >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm titled
> > >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm Road
> > >>> meets
> > >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that general
> > >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a farmstead
> > >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
> > >>> Anderson's
> > >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
> > >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that about
> > >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of the
> > >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
> > >>> Bridge
> > >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into two
> > >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any comments???
> > >>>
> > >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > >>>
> > >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > >>> even
> > >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> > >>> the
> > >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Steve,

Did his farmstead match as shown in McElfresh map? And why, if it
was there during the battle, does it not show up on so many other
maps of the battle?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
Antietam maps


Gerry and Stephen,

John Keplinger, per Ernst, resided near the Sunken Road and was
killed
by a shell blast after the battle while handling a projectile
found on
his land. I do not know how many years after the battle this
accident
occurred, but can check her source if you'd like.

Best,

Steve

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...>
wrote:
>
> I was looking at the wrong spot. On the 1904 Cope map this and
> the
> house to the east against the creek are both labeled Newcomer.
> On the
> 1895 Hotchkiss map there is no farm at either spot. On the 1904
> Heth/Sterns map the house to the west is D. Myers and the house
> by the
> creek is T. Myers. On the Gould map based on the 1860's Michler
> map,
> they are D. Myers and J. Myer respectively.
>
> I don't know anything about the Myers family, but Carman
> mentions them:
> "Two companies were sent to the left, beyond the Snavely
> buildings and
> were deployed behind the stone and rail fences of the road
> leading to
> Myers' Ford, and at the foot of a bluff, upon which was a large
> cornfield, in which Munford had his cavalry skirmishers, who
> advancing
> to the brow of the bluff, opened fire, and Eshleman's Louisiana
> battery, about 600 yards to the right and front dropped
> shrapnel among
> them."
>
> I don't think he mentions Keplinger. There were some Keplingers
> living
> in Benevola (Beaver Creek) back them.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 08:51  AM, G E Mayers wrote:
>
> > Stephen,
> >
> > If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the
> > information
> > there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper
> > Farm
> > Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
> >
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > even
> > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> > the
> > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > from
> > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> > Antietam maps
> >
> > >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the
> > >Heth/Sterns
> > >map
> > > made for the Antietam battlefield Board and neither have
> > > anything at
> > > that corner.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, G E Mayers
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Gang,
> > >>
> > >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question
> > >> posted
> > >> the
> > >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has
> > >> not
> > >> yet
> > >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
> > >>
> > >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > >>
> > >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > >> even
> > >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> > >> the
> > >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > >> benediction
> > >> from
> > >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
> > >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> > >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Gang,
> > >>>
> > >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of Antietam?
> > >>>
> > >>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire
> > >>> Sunken
> > >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm
> > >>> titled
> > >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm Road
> > >>> meets
> > >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that
> > >>> general
> > >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a
> > >>> farmstead
> > >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
> > >>> Anderson's
> > >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
> > >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that
> > >>> about
> > >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of the
> > >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
> > >>> Bridge
> > >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into
> > >>> two
> > >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any comments???
> > >>>
> > >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > >>>
> > >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption,
> > >>> or
> > >>> even
> > >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state
> > >>> in
> > >>> the
> > >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > >>> benediction
> > >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Gang,

After the 1862 Maryland Campaign, Robert Chilton seems to quietly
fade away from being involved with affairs at ANVA HQ. Was he
quietly sent elsewhere by Lee or did other duties occupy his
attention at Army HQ other than being Adjutant General of the
ANV?

Also, I heard recently that a possible promotion  for Chilton
from Colonel to BG was not approved. Is this also true? If so,
could his performance during the Maryland Campaign  be a factor?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous

Gerry,

The info below unfortunately does not answer your questions, but will
hopefully provide you with a lead. It's from Ernst's TATC, p. 186:

"Mr. John Keplinger, who lived near Bloody Lane, reputedly gathered
and destroyed ninety-nine shells before the hundreth one exploded. He
was 'terribly torn,' recalled the Newcomer daughter who help Dr. Biggs
attend him, and he died from his wounds."

IIRC, Dr. Biggs practiced medicine in the Antietam Valley until 1889,
so the above account could have happened years after the battle.

Ernst's source is John Philemon Smith, "Reminiscences of Sharpsburg,"
Western Maryland Room, 1912, 76.

Best,

Steve

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Did his farmstead match as shown in McElfresh map? And why, if it
> was there during the battle, does it not show up on so many other
> maps of the battle?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:35 PM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> Antietam maps
>
>
> Gerry and Stephen,
>
> John Keplinger, per Ernst, resided near the Sunken Road and was
> killed
> by a shell blast after the battle while handling a projectile
> found on
> his land. I do not know how many years after the battle this
> accident
> occurred, but can check her source if you'd like.
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I was looking at the wrong spot. On the 1904 Cope map this and
> > the
> > house to the east against the creek are both labeled Newcomer.
> > On the
> > 1895 Hotchkiss map there is no farm at either spot. On the 1904
> > Heth/Sterns map the house to the west is D. Myers and the house
> > by the
> > creek is T. Myers. On the Gould map based on the 1860's Michler
> > map,
> > they are D. Myers and J. Myer respectively.
> >
> > I don't know anything about the Myers family, but Carman
> > mentions them:
> > "Two companies were sent to the left, beyond the Snavely
> > buildings and
> > were deployed behind the stone and rail fences of the road
> > leading to
> > Myers' Ford, and at the foot of a bluff, upon which was a large
> > cornfield, in which Munford had his cavalry skirmishers, who
> > advancing
> > to the brow of the bluff, opened fire, and Eshleman's Louisiana
> > battery, about 600 yards to the right and front dropped
> > shrapnel among
> > them."
> >
> > I don't think he mentions Keplinger. There were some Keplingers
> > living
> > in Benevola (Beaver Creek) back them.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 08:51  AM, G E Mayers wrote:
> >
> > > Stephen,
> > >
> > > If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the
> > > information
> > > there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper
> > > Farm
> > > Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
> > >
> > > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > >
> > > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > > even
> > > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> > > the
> > > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > > from
> > > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@>
> > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> > > Antietam maps
> > >
> > > >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the
> > > >Heth/Sterns
> > > >map
> > > > made for the Antietam battlefield Board and neither have
> > > > anything at
> > > > that corner.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, G E Mayers
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Gang,
> > > >>
> > > >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question
> > > >> posted
> > > >> the
> > > >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has
> > > >> not
> > > >> yet
> > > >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > >>
> > > >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > > >> even
> > > >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> > > >> the
> > > >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > >> benediction
> > > >> from
> > > >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@>
> > > >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> > > >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Gang,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of Antietam?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire
> > > >>> Sunken
> > > >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm
> > > >>> titled
> > > >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm Road
> > > >>> meets
> > > >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that
> > > >>> general
> > > >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a
> > > >>> farmstead
> > > >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
> > > >>> Anderson's
> > > >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
> > > >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that
> > > >>> about
> > > >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of the
> > > >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
> > > >>> Bridge
> > > >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into
> > > >>> two
> > > >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Any comments???
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > >>>
> > > >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption,
> > > >>> or
> > > >>> even
> > > >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state
> > > >>> in
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > >>> benediction
> > > >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Happy Tuesday, folks.

Question slightly off topic...the Monocacy Campaign.

I am reading recently of a skirmish at George Blessing's Farm near
Wolfsville...north of Middletown, in July, 1864.

Blessing and his son or grandson held off attacks by CS Cavalry
squads that were hunting for horseflesh.  Apparently, they had
several guns...sonny reloading while pap fired....They hit two of the
Confederates....killing at least one of them.

Apparently, Blessing received a rifle from the Lincoln Administration
as a token of respect, and the Maryland Legislature entertained a
motion to provide him with something (resolution, pension...can't
remember what).

Does anybody have any suggestions where I look to find which
Confederate cavalry unit(s) were involved in this...especially
possibly the identities of the two casualties?

Any help would be appreciated.

THanks.
Steve Bockmiller

Steve,

Could the farmstead have been built after the war?

I have Kathleen Ernst's book here and will try to find that
passage.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
Antietam maps


Gerry,

The info below unfortunately does not answer your questions, but
will
hopefully provide you with a lead. It's from Ernst's TATC, p.
186:

"Mr. John Keplinger, who lived near Bloody Lane, reputedly
gathered
and destroyed ninety-nine shells before the hundreth one
exploded. He
was 'terribly torn,' recalled the Newcomer daughter who help Dr.
Biggs
attend him, and he died from his wounds."

IIRC, Dr. Biggs practiced medicine in the Antietam Valley until
1889,
so the above account could have happened years after the battle.

Ernst's source is John Philemon Smith, "Reminiscences of
Sharpsburg,"
Western Maryland Room, 1912, 76.

Best,

Steve

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Did his farmstead match as shown in McElfresh map? And why, if
> it
> was there during the battle, does it not show up on so many
> other
> maps of the battle?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:35 PM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> Antietam maps
>
>
> Gerry and Stephen,
>
> John Keplinger, per Ernst, resided near the Sunken Road and was
> killed
> by a shell blast after the battle while handling a projectile
> found on
> his land. I do not know how many years after the battle this
> accident
> occurred, but can check her source if you'd like.
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I was looking at the wrong spot. On the 1904 Cope map this
> > and
> > the
> > house to the east against the creek are both labeled
> > Newcomer.
> > On the
> > 1895 Hotchkiss map there is no farm at either spot. On the
> > 1904
> > Heth/Sterns map the house to the west is D. Myers and the
> > house
> > by the
> > creek is T. Myers. On the Gould map based on the 1860's
> > Michler
> > map,
> > they are D. Myers and J. Myer respectively.
> >
> > I don't know anything about the Myers family, but Carman
> > mentions them:
> > "Two companies were sent to the left, beyond the Snavely
> > buildings and
> > were deployed behind the stone and rail fences of the road
> > leading to
> > Myers' Ford, and at the foot of a bluff, upon which was a
> > large
> > cornfield, in which Munford had his cavalry skirmishers, who
> > advancing
> > to the brow of the bluff, opened fire, and Eshleman's
> > Louisiana
> > battery, about 600 yards to the right and front dropped
> > shrapnel among
> > them."
> >
> > I don't think he mentions Keplinger. There were some
> > Keplingers
> > living
> > in Benevola (Beaver Creek) back them.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 08:51  AM, G E Mayers
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Stephen,
> > >
> > > If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the
> > > information
> > > there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper
> > > Farm
> > > Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
> > >
> > > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > >
> > > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > > even
> > > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> > > the
> > > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > > from
> > > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@>
> > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding
> > > McElfresh
> > > Antietam maps
> > >
> > > >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the
> > > >Heth/Sterns
> > > >map
> > > > made for the Antietam battlefield Board and neither have
> > > > anything at
> > > > that corner.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, G E Mayers
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Gang,
> > > >>
> > > >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question
> > > >> posted
> > > >> the
> > > >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has
> > > >> not
> > > >> yet
> > > >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > >>
> > > >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption,
> > > >> or
> > > >> even
> > > >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state
> > > >> in
> > > >> the
> > > >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > >> benediction
> > > >> from
> > > >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@>
> > > >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> > > >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Gang,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of
> > > >>> Antietam?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire
> > > >>> Sunken
> > > >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm
> > > >>> titled
> > > >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm
> > > >>> Road
> > > >>> meets
> > > >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that
> > > >>> general
> > > >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a
> > > >>> farmstead
> > > >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
> > > >>> Anderson's
> > > >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
> > > >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that
> > > >>> about
> > > >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
> > > >>> Bridge
> > > >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into
> > > >>> two
> > > >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Any comments???
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > >>>
> > > >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption,
> > > >>> or
> > > >>> even
> > > >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state
> > > >>> in
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > >>> benediction
> > > >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Steve,

The only thought that comes to my mind immediately is that the
cavalry involved must have been part of McCausland's command.
Does this help?

McCausland was, IIRC, the cavalry commander for all the cav units
during the Maryland Raid undertaken by Jube Early. It was
McCausland who burned the center portion of Chambersburg after
holding the town to ransom.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeffcowvplanning" <jeffcowvplanning@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Right State, Wrong Campaign


Happy Tuesday, folks.

Question slightly off topic...the Monocacy Campaign.

I am reading recently of a skirmish at George Blessing's Farm
near
Wolfsville...north of Middletown, in July, 1864.

Blessing and his son or grandson held off attacks by CS Cavalry
squads that were hunting for horseflesh.  Apparently, they had
several guns...sonny reloading while pap fired....They hit two of
the
Confederates....killing at least one of them.

Apparently, Blessing received a rifle from the Lincoln
Administration
as a token of respect, and the Maryland Legislature entertained a
motion to provide him with something (resolution, pension...can't
remember what).

Does anybody have any suggestions where I look to find which
Confederate cavalry unit(s) were involved in this...especially
possibly the identities of the two casualties?

Any help would be appreciated.

THanks.
Steve Bockmiller

Gerry,

Yes, the documentation, or lack thereof, seems to support the theory
that the Keplinger farm was a post-battle property. Perhaps Brian at
the VC could shed some light on this. Also, I understand that the
present day residents of the Piper farm are good contacts for Piper
family history; perhaps they would know whether, and when, the
Keplinger farmstead was carved out of Daniel Piper's 1845 purchase of
Ellwicks Dwelling.

Steve

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Could the farmstead have been built after the war?
>
> I have Kathleen Ernst's book here and will try to find that
> passage.
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:27 PM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> Antietam maps
>
>
> Gerry,
>
> The info below unfortunately does not answer your questions, but
> will
> hopefully provide you with a lead. It's from Ernst's TATC, p.
> 186:
>
> "Mr. John Keplinger, who lived near Bloody Lane, reputedly
> gathered
> and destroyed ninety-nine shells before the hundreth one
> exploded. He
> was 'terribly torn,' recalled the Newcomer daughter who help Dr.
> Biggs
> attend him, and he died from his wounds."
>
> IIRC, Dr. Biggs practiced medicine in the Antietam Valley until
> 1889,
> so the above account could have happened years after the battle.
>
> Ernst's source is John Philemon Smith, "Reminiscences of
> Sharpsburg,"
> Western Maryland Room, 1912, 76.
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Did his farmstead match as shown in McElfresh map? And why, if
> > it
> > was there during the battle, does it not show up on so many
> > other
> > maps of the battle?
> >
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > from
> > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@>
> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:35 PM
> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> > Antietam maps
> >
> >
> > Gerry and Stephen,
> >
> > John Keplinger, per Ernst, resided near the Sunken Road and was
> > killed
> > by a shell blast after the battle while handling a projectile
> > found on
> > his land. I do not know how many years after the battle this
> > accident
> > occurred, but can check her source if you'd like.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking at the wrong spot. On the 1904 Cope map this
> > > and
> > > the
> > > house to the east against the creek are both labeled
> > > Newcomer.
> > > On the
> > > 1895 Hotchkiss map there is no farm at either spot. On the
> > > 1904
> > > Heth/Sterns map the house to the west is D. Myers and the
> > > house
> > > by the
> > > creek is T. Myers. On the Gould map based on the 1860's
> > > Michler
> > > map,
> > > they are D. Myers and J. Myer respectively.
> > >
> > > I don't know anything about the Myers family, but Carman
> > > mentions them:
> > > "Two companies were sent to the left, beyond the Snavely
> > > buildings and
> > > were deployed behind the stone and rail fences of the road
> > > leading to
> > > Myers' Ford, and at the foot of a bluff, upon which was a
> > > large
> > > cornfield, in which Munford had his cavalry skirmishers, who
> > > advancing
> > > to the brow of the bluff, opened fire, and Eshleman's
> > > Louisiana
> > > battery, about 600 yards to the right and front dropped
> > > shrapnel among
> > > them."
> > >
> > > I don't think he mentions Keplinger. There were some
> > > Keplingers
> > > living
> > > in Benevola (Beaver Creek) back them.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 08:51  AM, G E Mayers
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Stephen,
> > > >
> > > > If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the
> > > > information
> > > > there was a small farmstead right where the combined Piper
> > > > Farm
> > > > Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
> > > >
> > > > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > >
> > > > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > > > even
> > > > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> > > > the
> > > > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > > > from
> > > > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@>
> > > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding
> > > > McElfresh
> > > > Antietam maps
> > > >
> > > > >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the
> > > > >Heth/Sterns
> > > > >map
> > > > > made for the Antietam battlefield Board and neither have
> > > > > anything at
> > > > > that corner.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, G E Mayers
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Gang,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question
> > > > >> posted
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone has
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> yet
> > > > >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > > >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > > >>
> > > > >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption,
> > > > >> or
> > > > >> even
> > > > >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > > >> benediction
> > > > >> from
> > > > >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@>
> > > > >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Gang,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of
> > > > >>> Antietam?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> According to the portion of the map showing the entire
> > > > >>> Sunken
> > > > >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little farm
> > > > >>> titled
> > > > >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm
> > > > >>> Road
> > > > >>> meets
> > > > >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that
> > > > >>> general
> > > > >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a
> > > > >>> farmstead
> > > > >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
> > > > >>> Anderson's
> > > > >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention the
> > > > >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is that
> > > > >>> about
> > > > >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the Antietam(Middle)
> > > > >>> Bridge
> > > > >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed into
> > > > >>> two
> > > > >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Any comments???
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > > >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption,
> > > > >>> or
> > > > >>> even
> > > > >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state
> > > > >>> in
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > > >>> benediction
> > > > >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Steve,

Thanks! I hope Brian is keeping an eye on this thread and can
comment herein!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
Antietam maps


Gerry,

Yes, the documentation, or lack thereof, seems to support the
theory
that the Keplinger farm was a post-battle property. Perhaps Brian
at
the VC could shed some light on this. Also, I understand that the
present day residents of the Piper farm are good contacts for
Piper
family history; perhaps they would know whether, and when, the
Keplinger farmstead was carved out of Daniel Piper's 1845
purchase of
Ellwicks Dwelling.

Steve

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Could the farmstead have been built after the war?
>
> I have Kathleen Ernst's book here and will try to find that
> passage.
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> from
> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:27 PM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> Antietam maps
>
>
> Gerry,
>
> The info below unfortunately does not answer your questions,
> but
> will
> hopefully provide you with a lead. It's from Ernst's TATC, p.
> 186:
>
> "Mr. John Keplinger, who lived near Bloody Lane, reputedly
> gathered
> and destroyed ninety-nine shells before the hundreth one
> exploded. He
> was 'terribly torn,' recalled the Newcomer daughter who help
> Dr.
> Biggs
> attend him, and he died from his wounds."
>
> IIRC, Dr. Biggs practiced medicine in the Antietam Valley until
> 1889,
> so the above account could have happened years after the
> battle.
>
> Ernst's source is John Philemon Smith, "Reminiscences of
> Sharpsburg,"
> Western Maryland Room, 1912, 76.
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Did his farmstead match as shown in McElfresh map? And why,
> > if
> > it
> > was there during the battle, does it not show up on so many
> > other
> > maps of the battle?
> >
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> >
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
> > even
> > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
> > the
> > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > from
> > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cowie_steve" <cowie_steve@>
> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:35 PM
> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Fw: Question regarding McElfresh
> > Antietam maps
> >
> >
> > Gerry and Stephen,
> >
> > John Keplinger, per Ernst, resided near the Sunken Road and
> > was
> > killed
> > by a shell blast after the battle while handling a projectile
> > found on
> > his land. I do not know how many years after the battle this
> > accident
> > occurred, but can check her source if you'd like.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking at the wrong spot. On the 1904 Cope map this
> > > and
> > > the
> > > house to the east against the creek are both labeled
> > > Newcomer.
> > > On the
> > > 1895 Hotchkiss map there is no farm at either spot. On the
> > > 1904
> > > Heth/Sterns map the house to the west is D. Myers and the
> > > house
> > > by the
> > > creek is T. Myers. On the Gould map based on the 1860's
> > > Michler
> > > map,
> > > they are D. Myers and J. Myer respectively.
> > >
> > > I don't know anything about the Myers family, but Carman
> > > mentions them:
> > > "Two companies were sent to the left, beyond the Snavely
> > > buildings and
> > > were deployed behind the stone and rail fences of the road
> > > leading to
> > > Myers' Ford, and at the foot of a bluff, upon which was a
> > > large
> > > cornfield, in which Munford had his cavalry skirmishers,
> > > who
> > > advancing
> > > to the brow of the bluff, opened fire, and Eshleman's
> > > Louisiana
> > > battery, about 600 yards to the right and front dropped
> > > shrapnel among
> > > them."
> > >
> > > I don't think he mentions Keplinger. There were some
> > > Keplingers
> > > living
> > > in Benevola (Beaver Creek) back them.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 08:51  AM, G E Mayers
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Stephen,
> > > >
> > > > If that is indeed true, where did McElfresh get the
> > > > information
> > > > there was a small farmstead right where the combined
> > > > Piper
> > > > Farm
> > > > Lane/Sunken Road joins the Boonsborough Turnpike?
> > > >
> > > > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > >
> > > > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption,
> > > > or
> > > > even
> > > > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state
> > > > in
> > > > the
> > > > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > > benediction
> > > > from
> > > > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@>
> > > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Fw: Question regarding
> > > > McElfresh
> > > > Antietam maps
> > > >
> > > > >I just took a look at the Jed Hotchkiss map and the
> > > > >Heth/Sterns
> > > > >map
> > > > > made for the Antietam battlefield Board and neither
> > > > > have
> > > > > anything at
> > > > > that corner.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, G E Mayers
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Gang,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Since I have not yet seen an answer to this question
> > > > >> posted
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> other day, am forwarding it in hopes perhaps someone
> > > > >> has
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> yet
> > > > >> seen it. Any input here would be helpful, thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > > >> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > > >>
> > > > >> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage,
> > > > >> adoption,
> > > > >> or
> > > > >> even
> > > > >> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any
> > > > >> state
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > > >> benediction
> > > > >> from
> > > > >> the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@>
> > > > >> To: "Talk Antietam" <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:55 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Question regarding McElfresh Antietam maps
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Gang,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> How accurate is the McElfresh watercolor map of
> > > > >>> Antietam?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> According to the portion of the map showing the
> > > > >>> entire
> > > > >>> Sunken
> > > > >>> Road/Pipe Farm Road, there is a triangular little
> > > > >>> farm
> > > > >>> titled
> > > > >>> Keplinger where the combined Sunken Road/Piper Farm
> > > > >>> Road
> > > > >>> meets
> > > > >>> the Boonsborough Turnpike.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yet, I have not noticed anything in my visits to that
> > > > >>> general
> > > > >>> area which might indicate the presence in 1862 of a
> > > > >>> farmstead
> > > > >>> there. Such a presence would throw off placement of
> > > > >>> Anderson's
> > > > >>> NC Brigade on 15 September. Harsh does not mention
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> Keplinger farmstead in TATF at all. All he says is
> > > > >>> that
> > > > >>> about
> > > > >>> half way up the moderately steep grade to the top of
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> plateau where Sharpsburg lies from the
> > > > >>> Antietam(Middle)
> > > > >>> Bridge
> > > > >>> is where D H Hill's division was turned and placed
> > > > >>> into
> > > > >>> two
> > > > >>> battle lines fronting Antietam Creek.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Any comments???
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > > >>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage,
> > > > >>> adoption,
> > > > >>> or
> > > > >>> even
> > > > >>> on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any
> > > > >>> state
> > > > >>> in
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a
> > > > >>> benediction
> > > > >>> from the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>