In Georgia, high school teachers have 3 days to teach the American Civil War and
in some states, it is taught in middle schools only -- to 10-year-olds.

Go get 'em Tom!!!!!!


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: 128thpa@...
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:22 PM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] CWPT Seminar


   Got to hear Tom Clemens give a great talk on preservation and the need to
teach CW history at the CWPT's Teachers seminar today.

   Tom, many teachers were commenting on what a great job you did. Also,
presenters at both break out sessions that I went to in the afternoon referred
back to your talk - so you definitely made an impression.

   Thanks again,

   Paula

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Paula,
Thank you for the kind words, it is greatly appreciated.  You already knew much
of what I said, but it is kind of you to pass on the comments.  Thank you.
They expect to have the hotel open by December, or thereabouts.  We saw Bruce
Wilder doing some of the work last week.  (He is a carpenter and also co-owner
with his wife, Nora Roberts.)

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> <128thpa@...> 07/25/08 10:22 PM >>>
Got to hear Tom Clemens give a great talk on preservation and the need to teach
CW history at the CWPT's Teachers seminar today.

Tom, many teachers were commenting on what a great job you did.  Also,
presenters at both break out sessions that I went to in the afternoon referred
back to your talk - so you definitely made an impression.

Thanks again,

Paula

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--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:
>
> I was flipping through a stack of old CW magazines and came across and
> article by KM Brown entitled, "Mama's Darlings Amidst the Honey Bees,
> 132n Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry at Antietam." It is in Virginia
> Country's Civil War magazine from 1986.
>
> "As the 132nd moved through the Roulette farmyard, they came within
> view of a cluster of whitewashed crates behind the house. Beehives!
> Farmer Roulette raised bees. The officers and men were unconcerned. The
> air was alive with bullets and shells. Case shot burst overhead. On
> came the 132nd. The order was given to "double-quick" the pace. "Mama's
> Darlings" stormed through the Roulette yard. Suddenly, a shot from one
> of D.H. Hill's distant Confederate batteries  crashed into the hives.,
> sending swarms of bees into the faces of the pennsylvanians. As the
> troops crowded into the grounds around the farmhouse, the bees swarmed
> among them."
>
> It goes on for three very long and detailed paragraphs. Alas, no
> attribution.
>
> If anyone runs into Kent M. Brown at Ted Alexander's Gettysburg
> conference this weekend, maybe you could ask him where he got the story
> about the cannon hitting the beehives.
>
> Cheers,
> Stephen Recker
> Antietam Battlefield Guides
>
> P.O. Box 705
> Sharpsburg, MD 21782
> 240-217-3664
> 800-417-9596

I have been trying to respond to this post for over a week now. It
bounces back to me as undeliverable. Here is my final attempt:

I recollected reading about this in John Priest's book, " Antietam:
The Soldiers' Battle" a few years back. I pulled the book and located
the reference but it credits the bee's disturbance to the 130th P.V.I.
who broke down the Roulette farm fence in this manner...." Rushing
across the open ground, the 130th Pennsylvania quickly smashed the
picket fence bordering the orchard to splinters with its rifle butts.
The air buzzed and whirrled with thousands of enraged honey bees,
after the bumbling Pennsylvanians disturbed their hives on the eastern
end of the lane. The bees, as Private Hemminger put it, "urged them
forward."

the citation was credited to the John D. Hemminger, Co. E., 130th PA.
Diary, September 16 and 17, 1862, located in the Michael Winey
Collection at the U.S. Military College at Carlysle, Pa.

Since the 132nd PVI was in formation to the rear of the 130th and to
the left, might it be possible that the bees were disturbed by the
130th as they entered the Roulette Orchard and that the 132nd then
received the brunt of the bees afterwards? There is no mention of any
artillary rounds destroying the bee hives but this may have occured
after the 130th left the grounds and were already advanced to the area
in front of the sunken road.

Dave Clugh

Are there any "authentic" recreated Civil War units in the Washington
DC metro area (Northern Va or suburban Maryland) that are more focused
on living history (educating the public and themselves)and shooting
(as in the N-SSA) than re-enactments?  If so, contact me off-line.  I
am interested in learning more.

Regards,
George Franks
Bethesda, Maryland
gffranks3@...

Has anyone ever visited the Boonsborough Museum of History in Boonsboro?  We
stopped there yesterday, what a unique collection of everything!  I was amazed
at what Mr. Bast has accumulated.  His docent, Ms. Grim is a rather unique
person also.  They both could tell stories all day long.

Paula

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Mr. Franks,

I've been looking for similar units for some years and have found none.
It seems that N-SSA units concentrate on shooting only. My wife and I
have attended several national skirmishes at Winchester and I have
talked to some members but found none doing both.

Larry F.

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "George" <gffranks3@...> wrote:
>
> Are there any "authentic" recreated Civil War units in the Washington
> DC metro area (Northern Va or suburban Maryland) that are more focused
> on living history (educating the public and themselves)and shooting
> (as in the N-SSA) than re-enactments?  If so, contact me off-line.  I
> am interested in learning more.
>
> Regards,
> George Franks
> Bethesda, Maryland
> gffranks3@...
>

Seeing Paula's post about the Boonsborough Museum, it made me wonder
what else I'm missing.  I'm going back to the field in late October,
what is on everyone's must see list for that area?  Where is a favorite
place to stay?

Dave

Anyone know where this is?

http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/unionreserves.jpg

It's either Antietam or Gettysburg. Thanks.

Stephen Recker
Interactive Producer

Another Software Miracle
P.O. Box 705
Sharpsburg, MD 21782
240-217-3664
800-417-9596

http://www.anothersoftwaremiracle.com
http://www.virtualgettysburg.com
http://www.virtualantietam.com

I don't recognize it as Antietam.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> Stephen Recker <recker@...> 07/28/08 7:13 PM >>>
Anyone know where this is?

http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/unionreserves.jpg

It's either Antietam or Gettysburg. Thanks.

Stephen Recker
Interactive Producer

Another Software Miracle
P.O. Box 705
Sharpsburg, MD 21782
240-217-3664
800-417-9596

http://www.anothersoftwaremiracle.com
http://www.virtualgettysburg.com
http://www.virtualantietam.com

Doug is quite a story-teller and his collection is astounding.  While there is
much Civil War stuff there, it goes way beyond that.


Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> <128thpa@...> 07/28/08 4:40 PM >>>
Has anyone ever visited the Boonsborough Museum of History in Boonsboro?  We
stopped there yesterday, what a unique collection of everything!  I was amazed
at what Mr. Bast has accumulated.  His docent, Ms. Grim is a rather unique
person also.  They both could tell stories all day long.

Paula

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Not for any real solid reason except time on both fields it strikes me more of
Gettysburg's terrain as more of the Sharpsburg area is cultivated  This seems
more of the area behind Fed lines in PA rather than a lot in Sharpsburg.  two
cents and worth almost exactly that!
Troy

--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:

From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Union Reserves
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:13 PM






Anyone know where this is?

http://www.virtuala ntietam.com/ dan_transfer/ unionreserves. jpg

It's either Antietam or Gettysburg. Thanks.

Stephen Recker
Interactive Producer

Another Software Miracle
P.O. Box 705
Sharpsburg, MD 21782
240-217-3664
800-417-9596

http://www.anothers oftwaremiracle. com
http://www.virtualg ettysburg. com
http://www.virtuala ntietam.com


















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Dear Stephen,

Not sure if it is Gettysburg but IMHO it is pretty clearly not
Sharpsburg. Could it be a battlefield other than Gettysburg, like
Chickamauga?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Union Reserves


> Anyone know where this is?
>
> http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/unionreserves.jpg
>
> It's either Antietam or Gettysburg. Thanks.
>
> Stephen Recker
> Interactive Producer
>
> Another Software Miracle
> P.O. Box 705
> Sharpsburg, MD 21782
> 240-217-3664
> 800-417-9596
>
> http://www.anothersoftwaremiracle.com
> http://www.virtualgettysburg.com
> http://www.virtualantietam.com
>
>

Thanks for all of the feedback. The photographer is J.G. McPherson of
McKeesport Pennsylvania. The back of the card says that it is from a
series of Gettysburg and Antietam views. I agree, it's probably GB.
Thanks.

Stephen


On Monday, July 28, 2008, at 09:17  PM, Thomas Clemens wrote:

> I don't recognize it as Antietam.
>
> Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> Professor of History
> Hagerstown Community College
>
> >>> Stephen Recker <recker@...> 07/28/08 7:13 PM >>>
> Anyone know where this is?
>
> http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/unionreserves.jpg
>
> It's either Antietam or Gettysburg. Thanks.


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Hey, McKeesport is where I was born and raised!

Harry



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Recker
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:35 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Union Reserves



Thanks for all of the feedback. The photographer is J.G. McPherson of
McKeesport Pennsylvania. The back of the card says that it is from a
series of Gettysburg and Antietam views. I agree, it's probably GB.
Thanks.

Stephen

On Monday, July 28, 2008, at 09:17 PM, Thomas Clemens wrote:

> I don't recognize it as Antietam.
>
> Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> Professor of History
> Hagerstown Community College
>
> >>> Stephen Recker <recker@virtualgetty
<mailto:recker%40virtualgettysburg.com> sburg.com> 07/28/08 7:13 PM >>>
> Anyone know where this is?
>
> http://www.virtuala
<http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/unionreserves.jpg>
ntietam.com/dan_transfer/unionreserves.jpg
>
> It's either Antietam or Gettysburg. Thanks.

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Where in blazes is McKeesport?

Stephen

On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 07:28  AM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:

> Hey, McKeesport is where I was born and raised!
>
> Harry

Stephen,

IIRC McKeesport is over in western Pennsylvania in the general
Pittsburgh area.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Union Reserves


> Where in blazes is McKeesport?
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 07:28  AM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:
>
>> Hey, McKeesport is where I was born and raised!
>>
>> Harry
>
>

Just southeast of Pittsburgh.  Home of the Nickelodeon, G. C. Murphy CO.,
and the no-relation Murph the Surf, a famous thief of the 1960's.



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Recker
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:46 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Union Reserves



Where in blazes is McKeesport?

Stephen

On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 07:28 AM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:

> Hey, McKeesport is where I was born and raised!
>
> Harry





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Stephen,

What is the source and provenance of the image?

My first thought is a western battlefield.

Bill Christen
gwjchris@...

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Stephen,

I had not read all the messages and so if this in Gettysburg, my guess would be
east of the Round Tops.

Bill Christen

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Here is the back of the view. Has anyone seen any other views by this
photographer? Thanks

http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/unionreservesback.jpg

Stephen Recker


On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 10:48  AM, Bill and Glenna Jo Christen
wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> What is the source and provenance of the image?
>
> My first thought is a western battlefield.
>
> Bill Christen
> gwjchris@...


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Stephen,

Does this particular stereoview of which you are curious about
have a particular number? Is it labelled in some way indicative
of where it was taken?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Where Union Army reserve lay


> Here is the back of the view. Has anyone seen any other views
> by this
> photographer? Thanks
>
> http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/unionreservesback.jpg
>
> Stephen Recker
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 10:48  AM, Bill and Glenna Jo
> Christen
> wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> What is the source and provenance of the image?
>>
>> My first thought is a western battlefield.
>>
>> Bill Christen
>> gwjchris@...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

The evidence on the back suggests that the series starts with
Gettysburg (at least through #119) and then includes Antietam and other
sites.  That would put #108 in Gettysburg.

Stephen

On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 06:15  PM, G E Mayers wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> Does this particular stereoview of which you are curious about
> have a particular number? Is it labelled in some way indicative
> of where it was taken?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers


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Stephen,

After extensive searching, I found only one mention of McPherson. Interestingly
it was a person also seeking more info on him.

A person offered the info below:

The 1890 City Directory listing McKeesport does have what you are looking for in
it. It states that his business is at 605 Locust St. & that he is the
photographer. His residence is at 307 9th St., McKeesport. That would not be far
from the business address.

The thread is online at:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAWASHIN/2006-04/1144770932

Tom Shay


----- Original Message -----
   From: Stephen Recker
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:02 PM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Where Union Army reserve lay


   The evidence on the back suggests that the series starts with
   Gettysburg (at least through #119) and then includes Antietam and other
   sites. That would put #108 in Gettysburg.

   Stephen

   On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 06:15 PM, G E Mayers wrote:

   > Stephen,
   >
   > Does this particular stereoview of which you are curious about
   > have a particular number? Is it labelled in some way indicative
   > of where it was taken?
   >
   > Yr. Obt. Svt.
   > G E "Gerry" Mayers

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Hmmm. Well, since all it indicates is some sort of Union Army
reserve location, I wonder which location and which Corps? I do
know that the Sixth Corps was held in reserve behind the Round
Tops and in the area of the Taneytown Road. So, if we could know
which areas were designated as Reserve Areas, that might help.

Also, in the same vein, I wonder if Frassanito has any similar
type photos in his books about Gettysburg "then" and "now"?????

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Where Union Army reserve lay


> The evidence on the back suggests that the series starts with
> Gettysburg (at least through #119) and then includes Antietam
> and other
> sites.  That would put #108 in Gettysburg.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 06:15  PM, G E Mayers wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> Does this particular stereoview of which you are curious about
>> have a particular number? Is it labelled in some way
>> indicative
>> of where it was taken?
>>
>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Tom,

You rock. Thanks. Looks like a field trip is in order.

Stephen

On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 08:55  PM, RoteBaron wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> After extensive searching, I found only one mention of McPherson.
> Interestingly it was a person also seeking more info on him.
>
> A person offered the info below:
>
> The 1890 City Directory listing McKeesport does have what you are
> looking for in it. It states that his business is at 605 Locust St. &
> that he is the
> photographer. His residence is at 307 9th St., McKeesport. That would
> not be far from the business address.
>
> The thread is online at:
> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAWASHIN/2006-04/
> 1144770932
>
> Tom Shay


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Good thought. I just recently flipped through those and don't remember.
maybe I'll show it to Tim Smith. Thanks.

Stephen

On Tuesday, July 29, 2008, at 09:54  PM, G E Mayers wrote:

> Hmmm. Well, since all it indicates is some sort of Union Army
> reserve location, I wonder which location and which Corps? I do
> know that the Sixth Corps was held in reserve behind the Round
> Tops and in the area of the Taneytown Road. So, if we could know
> which areas were designated as Reserve Areas, that might help.
>
> Also, in the same vein, I wonder if Frassanito has any similar
> type photos in his books about Gettysburg "then" and "now"?????
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers


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Could it be looking west from the area of the Taneytown Road, perhaps
between the present day Howe Ave and the Blacksmith Shop Rd?  It looks
like perhaps the southern flank of Big Round Top begins to ascend from
the left in both images of the stereographic view.  I think 6th Corps
and the artillery reserve were in that general location.

Brian Richardson

Could be, Brian. Good guess. My thought is that the area is now well
grown, but the terrain would be the same. Worth a look.

Stephen


On Wednesday, July 30, 2008, at 12:10  AM, Brian Richardson wrote:

> Could it be looking west from the area of the Taneytown Road, perhaps
> between the present day Howe Ave and the Blacksmith Shop Rd? It looks
> like perhaps the southern flank of Big Round Top begins to ascend from
> the left in both images of the stereographic view. I think 6th Corps
> and the artillery reserve were in that general location.
>
> Brian Richardson


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Pardon this commerical announcement.  Some friends of ours have recently
acquired and restored a historic home in Sharpsburg which they are renting for
weekends etc.  Details can be seen at maryhillhouse.com   Please check it out.
Thanks,


Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College

Dave:
  While I was attending the seminar, a friend of mine was checking out all the
small local museums and gems around Hagerstown.  There are lots of them.  You
might want to check out these web sites:
http://www.marylandmemories.org/index.html, (if you go to this site, you can
have them send you a great package of brochures.  There is an interesting
Maryland - off the beaten path booklet.  This refers to all of Marylan.  Also, 
http://discoverystation.org/TransportationGallery.html.  I know he really
enjoyed the C and O Canal in Williamsport - Models of canal boats, pictorial
history, memorabilia, etc.
Willamsport Visitor Center: 205 West Potomac Street, Williamsport, MD
301-582-0813  and the Hager House and the Hagerstown Roundhouse (that doesn't
have a roundhouse anymore) http://www.marylandmemories.org/museums.html

I want to go back and just check out the sites that I have missed before.

Paula

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Dave <gewehr@...>
Seeing Paula's post about the Boonsborough Museum, it made me wonder
what else I'm missing. I'm going back to the field in late October,
what is on everyone's must see list for that area? Where is a favorite
place to stay?

Dave



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