jdpolaski@... wrote:
>
> Did you ever notice that all the southern states,  the Army post are
named of
> Confederate Generals. And the same with the North  they are named
after
> Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.


    The exception to that, of course, being Fort Bragg, NC, named for
Braxton Bragg, the best general the Union had. :-)

Regards,
Teej

Teej;

I fail to see how Bragg could be the best Yankee General the South
had...esp. when you consider all the "real" Yankee generals they did
have.... such as Pemberton, Cooper, etc.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "barringer63" <teej@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Kennesaw Mountain NBP


jdpolaski@... wrote:
>
> Did you ever notice that all the southern states,  the Army post are
named of
> Confederate Generals. And the same with the North  they are named
after
> Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.


    The exception to that, of course, being Fort Bragg, NC, named for
Braxton Bragg, the best general the Union had. :-)

Regards,
Teej

Fort McClellan was in Alabama.



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of jdpolaski@...
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:25 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP



Did you ever notice that all the southern states, the Army post are named of

Confederate Generals. And the same with the North they are named after
Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.

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Harry Smeltzer wrote:
>
> Fort McClellan was in Alabama.


    That's 'cause it was named for the best general the Confed...nah,
that's too easy.

Teej

Like he said -  generals with southern sympathies.

Stephen

On Monday, December 11, 2006, at 06:06 PM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:

> Fort McClellan was in Alabama.
>

Don't make me kick your ass, Steve.



Harry



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Recker
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:32 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP



Like he said - generals with southern sympathies.

Stephen

On Monday, December 11, 2006, at 06:06 PM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:

> Fort McClellan was in Alabama.
>





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Well Fort Meade is in Maryland.  Now do we consider Maryland a northern or
southern state? Yes, it stayed in the Union - BUT it is south of the Mason Dixon
Line, and Maryland was still a slave state!  Just something else to think about!

Paula

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Is it fair to say that Maryland was a "slave state" in the sense that
more Sourthern states were slave states? Obviously they had slaves,
but weren't they almost entirely in the very southern/eastern area,
sort of removed from the rest of the state? Doesn't that go a long
way toward explaining the lukewarm reception of Lee's army just prior
to Antietam (Sharpsburg, of course!)?

--Darin


On Dec 11, 2006, at 4:42 PM, 128thpa@... wrote:

>
> Well Fort Meade is in Maryland. Now do we consider Maryland a
> northern or southern state? Yes, it stayed in the Union - BUT it is
> south of the Mason Dixon Line, and Maryland was still a slave
> state! Just something else to think about!
>
> Paula
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



Darin Boville

Photography: www.darinboville.com




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Of course Maryland has Fort George G. Meade, hmmm.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> <jdpolaski@...> 12/11/06 4:25 PM >>>
Did you ever notice that all the southern states,  the Army post are
named of
Confederate Generals. And the same with the North  they are named after
Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.


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Ft. McClellan was one of the training encampments mobilized for WW I.
Two reaons have been given for the name... 1. Recognizing McClellan's
skill at training and organizing an army and 2. Because the first
soldiers arriving and training at the new camp were from NJ, where
Little Mac ended his service.

There is also Ft. McPherson in Atlanta. That goes back to 1867,
reconstruction occupation, and honoring the most senior Union officer
killed in the Atlanta Campaign.

Ron Dickey

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...> wrote:
>
> Fort McClellan was in Alabama.
>
>
>
>

Yes Maryland was a slave state. Although the  Lincoln wanted to keep it a
northern state because of the location of the White  House. Maryland had its
simpities with the south but remember that at that time  when the Baltimore riot
broke out at President Street Station Lincoln locked  down Baltimore and locked
up the sympathizers. Mostly at Ft. McHenry. And  martial law was inforced.


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However, we Atlantans are loath to say, Fort McPherson is scheduled soon to be
closed.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: dickeyr46
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:05 AM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Kennesaw Mountain NBP


   Ft. McClellan was one of the training encampments mobilized for WW I.
   Two reaons have been given for the name... 1. Recognizing McClellan's
   skill at training and organizing an army and 2. Because the first
   soldiers arriving and training at the new camp were from NJ, where
   Little Mac ended his service.

   There is also Ft. McPherson in Atlanta. That goes back to 1867,
   reconstruction occupation, and honoring the most senior Union officer
   killed in the Atlanta Campaign.

   Ron Dickey

   --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...> wrote:
   >
   > Fort McClellan was in Alabama.
   >
   >
   >
   >





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Excuse my off-topic request, but it relates to preservation.
My son is a reporter in Salisbury, Md.  He is working on an article about the
preservation and maintenance of monuments/memorials in Eastern Shore Maryland
(also the north eastern part of Va that lies below Md, but mostly Md).   I have
given him some ideas of where to look - but he is trying to find names and
numbers of people to call.  He has tried some local historical societies, but
can't seem to get beyond that.

For example he has done some research on the Mason-Dixon Line markers but can't
seem to find one person or group that has the jurisdiction to repair/maintain
those monuments.

So if anyone has any ideas or even better knows someone he can contact to
discuss any of these monuments in the Eastern shore Md area, Please contact me
privately at 128thpa@....  I do not want to tie up this mail-list. 
Thank you.

Paula

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Due to the great feedback on my new "Human Interest Stories of the
Gettysburg Campaign," (amazon.com), I am 75% of the way completed
with its companion volume, "Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest
Stories of the Maryland Campaign." This latter work will be around
100 pages with a vast collection of stories, anecdotes, and snippets
culled and collected from a wide array of primary sources.

What I am asking is that if any of you have access to primary
accounts from the campaign that you think are worthy of inclusion,
please contact me off-line at scottmingus@.... I am primarily
interested in humorous incidents or unusual occurrences that are
documented by eyewitnesses and are from sources prior to 1920 (in
other words, materials that are out of copyright and can be reused or
edited freely into my writing style).

Feel free point me to any leads you may have, as it occurred to me
that this august body would have access to even more material than I
do alone.

Thanks in advance for your consideration of this Antietam request.


Scott Mingus
York, Pennsylvania

Dear Scott,

What specifically do you need? I have a typescript of a letter (copy
of the actual letter at Antietam NBP) written by Capt WT March of the
4th NC to a cousin just as the Maryland Campaign began.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Mingus" <scottmingus@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Research help requested


Due to the great feedback on my new "Human Interest Stories of the
Gettysburg Campaign," (amazon.com), I am 75% of the way completed
with its companion volume, "Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest
Stories of the Maryland Campaign." This latter work will be around
100 pages with a vast collection of stories, anecdotes, and snippets
culled and collected from a wide array of primary sources.

What I am asking is that if any of you have access to primary
accounts from the campaign that you think are worthy of inclusion,
please contact me off-line at scottmingus@.... I am primarily
interested in humorous incidents or unusual occurrences that are
documented by eyewitnesses and are from sources prior to 1920 (in
other words, materials that are out of copyright and can be reused or
edited freely into my writing style).

Feel free point me to any leads you may have, as it occurred to me
that this august body would have access to even more material than I
do alone.

Thanks in advance for your consideration of this Antietam request.


Scott Mingus
York, Pennsylvania

Be sure to let us know when it's done.  I would love a copy!

Richard Croker
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Scott Mingus
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:36 AM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Research help requested


   Due to the great feedback on my new "Human Interest Stories of the
   Gettysburg Campaign," (amazon.com), I am 75% of the way completed
   with its companion volume, "Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest
   Stories of the Maryland Campaign." This latter work will be around
   100 pages with a vast collection of stories, anecdotes, and snippets
   culled and collected from a wide array of primary sources.

   What I am asking is that if any of you have access to primary
   accounts from the campaign that you think are worthy of inclusion,
   please contact me off-line at scottmingus@.... I am primarily
   interested in humorous incidents or unusual occurrences that are
   documented by eyewitnesses and are from sources prior to 1920 (in
   other words, materials that are out of copyright and can be reused or
   edited freely into my writing style).

   Feel free point me to any leads you may have, as it occurred to me
   that this august body would have access to even more material than I
   do alone.

   Thanks in advance for your consideration of this Antietam request.

   Scott Mingus
   York, Pennsylvania





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Certainly Richard!


By the way, I have some autographed first edition copies of the new
Gettysburg book available for $9.95 plus modest postage. Contact me
off-line if any of you are interested.

Here's a sample story from my Antietam manuscript... this is a
collection of anecdotes and stories culled from old regimental
histories, diaries, letters, newspapers, etc.

As Capt. James Dinkins and his comrades in the 18th Mississippi
advanced towards the distant Yankees, men were falling at every step
as shells and shots pounded the earth and cut down the timber. A
spotted cow rambled through the line, going to the Mississippians'
rear, desperately running like a race horse with her tail was high in
the air. A Federal artillery shell struck the ground a few feet in
front of her and exploded, splattering dirt in all directions and
leaving a large hole. The terrified bovine plunged in the hole, but
soon scrambled out. Kit Gilmer of Company C hallooed, "Boys, she's a
Confederate cow; she's going South!"

James Dinkins, 1861-1865 by an Old Johnnie: Personal Recollections
and Experiences in the Confederate Army.  (Cincinnati: The Robert
Clarke Company, 1897).

There are about 300 such stories in this new work. The Gettysburg
book now in print is a similar collection related to that campaign.

Thanks to all who have contributed ideas so far!!!!

Scott Mingus
York, PA



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, <richard@...> wrote:
>
> Be sure to let us know when it's done.  I would love a copy!
>
> Richard Croker
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Scott Mingus
>   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:36 AM
>   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Research help requested
>
>
>   Due to the great feedback on my new "Human Interest Stories of
the
>   Gettysburg Campaign," (amazon.com), I am 75% of the way completed
>   with its companion volume, "Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest
>   Stories of the Maryland Campaign." This latter work will be
around
>   100 pages with a vast collection of stories, anecdotes, and
snippets
>   culled and collected from a wide array of primary sources.
>
>   What I am asking is that if any of you have access to primary
>   accounts from the campaign that you think are worthy of
inclusion,
>   please contact me off-line at scottmingus@... I am primarily
>   interested in humorous incidents or unusual occurrences that are
>   documented by eyewitnesses and are from sources prior to 1920 (in
>   other words, materials that are out of copyright and can be
reused or
>   edited freely into my writing style).
>
>   Feel free point me to any leads you may have, as it occurred to
me
>   that this august body would have access to even more material
than I
>   do alone.
>
>   Thanks in advance for your consideration of this Antietam request.
>
>   Scott Mingus
>   York, Pennsylvania
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest Stories from the Antietam Campaign
will be published in early 2007 by Colecraft Industries, who produced
my corresponding Gettysbrg book. Here is a sample story to whet your
appetite. The 300 or so anecdotes and incidents cover a wide range -
irony, pathos, humor, compassion, unusal, animal stories, etc. and
are sure to include some fresh information you have not read before,
as I poured over hundreds of regimental histories, newspapers,
journals, etc. to assemble my source material, which I then rewrote
for clarity and style.

Men sometimes can get carried away with their emotions when exposed
to the shock of war. Tears, cowardice, indifference, anger,
arrogance, and recklessness can all be magnified in the trauma. Corp.
William Roach of Company K of the 81st Pennsylvania took careful aim
at a Confederate color sergeant as he retired and cleanly shot him,
dropping the Rebel to the ground. Ignoring heavy musketry that
continued along the opposing lines, Roach ran ahead of his company
and lifted up the cap of the fallen flag bearer. He triumphantly
placed the cap on the end of his bayonet and twirled it around,
proudly exclaiming to his comrades, "That is the way to do it!" While
he was absorbed in this self-congratulatory act of ego, another Union
soldier slipped past, snatched up the fallen Confederate flag, and
raced off with the prize. Roach was left ruefully standing with only
the Rebel cap.

Frank Moore, Anecdotes, Poetry, and Incidents of the War: North and
South. 1860-1865. (New York: Publication office, Bible house, J.
Porteus, agent, 1867).

Here's another one:

General Lee, normally stoic and calm as battle loomed, allowed his
emotions to betray him. As he was riding in the rear lines, he
encountered a soldier surreptitiously toting a freshly killed pig.
Enraged, Lee ordered the thief to be arrested. As an example to
discourage other pilferers, he was to be escorted to Stonewall
Jackson and shot for his wanton disobedience of Lee's strict orders
against foraging. Short of men already, Jackson soon commuted the
execution sentence, and instead ordered the man to be sent straight
to the front lines. He was to be placed in a position where the odds
were highest he would be shot by the Yankees. The culprit fought
well, survived the battle, and redeemed himself through his bravery
under the scathing fire. He later became regarded as the man who had
lost the pig, but "saved his bacon."

Armistead L. Long, Memoirs of Robert E. Lee: His Military and
Personal History. (London: Sampson Low, Marston, Searle, and
Rivington, 1886).


Pre-orders will be accepted in late winter. In the meantime, I thank
all of you in this forum who have offered suggestions and ideas!

Scott Mingus
York, PA

Yesterday, I spent a grand day trekking the fields of Antietam. I took
plenty of photos and will start placing them on my CWRT website.

       For starters, you can view this URL:

       http://home.comcast.net/~schuylkillcwrt/TripReport20061228.htm

       I was given a copy of the new park brochure, which looks great. I reported
a few spelling errors to NPS, so hopefully they will be corrected prior to final
printings.

       There are two new trails under development. First new one is along south
edge of West Woods. They have cleared the old wagon trail that ran from the pike
to Locher Farm.

       The other new trail is on east side of Burnside Bridge. Rangers were using
GPS to lay it out yesterday. Both new trails will be detailed in forthcoming
brochures, which will be available for minimal fee in Spring 2007.

       I'll advise when more photos have been placed on the website.

       Tom Shay - Cressona, PA


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Does anyone know if a tour bus can make it across the bridge over the Little
Antietam creek? NPS replied to my email that they do not know.

Any info is appreciated!

Tom Shay

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You talking Hooker's flank march? I've been on a bus tour that went
across there, but don't do it on my say so.

Stephen Recker

On Friday, December 29, 2006, at 11:53 PM, Tom Shay wrote:

> Does anyone know if a tour bus can make it across the bridge over the
> Little Antietam creek? NPS replied to my email that they do not know.
>
> Any info is appreciated!
>
> Tom Shay

Tom,

Great photos. Thanks for putting them up.

Stephen Recker

Stephen,

Yes, this route would follow Hooker's March. I was on a bus tour (about 15 years
ago) that crossed the Little Antietam bridge, but one never knows what limits
have been imposed since then.

Tom Shay



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Stephen,

I posted Page 4 today, plus added more notes onto Page 1.

When I entered the bookstore, I was astounded to see the new guide photo
featuring me!  Bob Casey gave in to my plea for one of them. so he'll be needing
another one for the store!

Tom Shay

http://home.comcast.net/~schuylkillcwrt/TripReport20061228.htm

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Dear Tom,

Did you pass Stephen's test to be a licesned guide there at Antietam?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Shay" <RoteBaron@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam trip report from 12-28-2006


> Stephen,
>
> I posted Page 4 today, plus added more notes onto Page 1.
>
> When I entered the bookstore, I was astounded to see the new guide
> photo featuring me!  Bob Casey gave in to my plea for one of them.
> so he'll be needing another one for the store!
>
> Tom Shay
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~schuylkillcwrt/TripReport20061228.htm
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Gerry,

Since I live over 130 miles from Antietam, I cannot commit to become an official
guide. Stephen Recker and his guide corps are your best option for securing a
well-guided tour of the Antietam fields. I am currently content with researching
the battle, trekking over it's hallowed ground, and humbly sharing whatever I
know with whomever will listen.

Tom Shay - Cressona, PA


-- Original Message -----
   From: G E Mayers
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:48 PM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam trip report from 12-28-2006


   Dear Tom,

   Did you pass Stephen's test to be a licesned guide there at Antietam?

   Yr. Obt. Svt.
   G E "Gerry" Mayers

   To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
   one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
   passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
   God. --Anonymous
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Tom Shay" <RoteBaron@...>
   To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:39 AM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam trip report from 12-28-2006

   > Stephen,
   >
   > I posted Page 4 today, plus added more notes onto Page 1.
   >
   > When I entered the bookstore, I was astounded to see the new guide
   > photo featuring me! Bob Casey gave in to my plea for one of them.
   > so he'll be needing another one for the store!
   >
   > Tom Shay
   >
   > http://home.comcast.net/~schuylkillcwrt/TripReport20061228.htm
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >





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I've just added a few more pages of photos and text to my trip report...

http://home.comcast.net/~schuylkillcwrt/TripReport20061228.htm

Any comments or questions are always welcome!

Tom Shay

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Dear Tom,

Thanks. I am well aware of what Stephen and his folks do, which is
excellent indeed. I was not sure if you were a guide also or whether
you just happened to get lucky........

As far as your tramping the field, researching the battle, etc., you
and I are kindred spirits.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Shay" <RoteBaron@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam trip report from 12-28-2006


> Gerry,
>
> Since I live over 130 miles from Antietam, I cannot commit to become
> an official guide. Stephen Recker and his guide corps are your best
> option for securing a well-guided tour of the Antietam fields. I am
> currently content with researching the battle, trekking over it's
> hallowed ground, and humbly sharing whatever I know with whomever
> will listen.
>
> Tom Shay - Cressona, PA
>
>
> -- Original Message -----
>  From: G E Mayers
>  To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:48 PM
>  Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam trip report from 12-28-2006
>
>
>  Dear Tom,
>
>  Did you pass Stephen's test to be a licesned guide there at
> Antietam?
>
>  Yr. Obt. Svt.
>  G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
>  To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
>  one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union,
> a
>  passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the
> Almighty
>  God. --Anonymous
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Tom Shay" <RoteBaron@...>
>  To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:39 AM
>  Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam trip report from 12-28-2006
>
>  > Stephen,
>  >
>  > I posted Page 4 today, plus added more notes onto Page 1.
>  >
>  > When I entered the bookstore, I was astounded to see the new
> guide
>  > photo featuring me! Bob Casey gave in to my plea for one of them.
>  > so he'll be needing another one for the store!
>  >
>  > Tom Shay
>  >
>  > http://home.comcast.net/~schuylkillcwrt/TripReport20061228.htm
>  >
>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  >
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Tom,
The limit posted is 15 tons, which theroetically excludes most
motorcoaches.  Despite that I have taken tour buses across it numerous
times, and I know Dennis Frye does also.  It just depends on your driver
since they can be fined if they violate the limit.
Tom Clemens

>>> "Tom Shay" <RoteBaron@...> 12/30/06 10:00 AM >>>
Stephen,

Yes, this route would follow Hooker's March. I was on a bus tour (about
15 years ago) that crossed the Little Antietam bridge, but one never
knows what limits have been imposed since then.

Tom Shay



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You've got some great pic's there.


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