James,

If that is what you want, then may I suggest Dixie Victorious, a book
of essays (counter factuals) about how the South could have won the
war? There are a couple of essays dealing with Sharpsburg and the
battles around South Mountain.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "James W. Durney" <JWD2044@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: AoNV Victory


This isn't any help at all!

I don't care about "technical", having heard all the BS about Lee's
victories from Antietam to the Overland Campaign.  I need a realistic
way, that the AoNV holds the field and the AOP falls back.

Any ideas?

James

I just got a 13th New Jersey commemorative badge that has:

D=Society

...on it. Anyone have any idea what this means? Thanks.

Stephen

Stephen,

Can you share a photo with us?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:00 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] 13th New Jersey


>I just got a 13th New Jersey commemorative badge that has:
>
> D=Society
>
> ...on it. Anyone have any idea what this means? Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
>

You betcha:

http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/13NJ_society.jpg

Thanks.
-sjr

On Tuesday, December 5, 2006, at 02:11 PM, G E Mayers wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> Can you share a photo with us?
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers

Hi Stephen,

It looks like it might refer to Company D.  See a clue from the NJ
Historical Society here:

http://www.jerseyhistory.org/findingaid.php?aid=0352

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:
>
> You betcha:
>
> http://www.virtualantietam.com/dan_transfer/13NJ_society.jpg
>
> Thanks.
> -sjr

Brian,

Yow, that's some clue. Many thanks. Amazing.

Cheers,
Stephen

On Tuesday, December 5, 2006, at 05:10 PM, Brian Downey wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> It looks like it might refer to Company D. See a clue from the NJ
> Historical Society here:
>
> http://www.jerseyhistory.org/findingaid.php?aid=0352

Guys -- (and Gals), I've just been appointed to the Board of Trustees of the
Kennesaw Mountain NBP Historical Asso. so if you're ever in or around Atlanta,
drop me a line and I'll try to arrange a "special" tour.  It really is a
beautiful park.
BTW -- I guess I'd better brush up on the war in the West, huh?  Who IS this guy
Sherman anyway?

Richard

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Stephen Recker
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:00 PM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] 13th New Jersey


   I just got a 13th New Jersey commemorative badge that has:

   D=Society

   ...on it. Anyone have any idea what this means? Thanks.

   Stephen





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Richard;

Whoa! Congrats!?!?!?! What did y'all do to earn that honor?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: <richard@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP


> Guys -- (and Gals), I've just been appointed to the Board of
> Trustees of the Kennesaw Mountain NBP Historical Asso. so if you're
> ever in or around Atlanta, drop me a line and I'll try to arrange a
> "special" tour.  It really is a beautiful park.
> BTW -- I guess I'd better brush up on the war in the West, huh?  Who
> IS this guy Sherman anyway?
>
> Richard
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Stephen Recker
>  To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:00 PM
>  Subject: [TalkAntietam] 13th New Jersey
>
>
>  I just got a 13th New Jersey commemorative badge that has:
>
>  D=Society
>
>  ...on it. Anyone have any idea what this means? Thanks.
>
>  Stephen
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Thank you, sir.  I guess they liked my books -- even though they're about what
they tend to call "the OTHER war."  I suspect there might be an "On to Atlanta"
book in my future.  At least the travel expenses would be minimal!  Now -- who
was this "Sherman" guy anyway?  I know folks around these parts don't think too
highly of him!!!!!!  :-)
My grandfather, in fact, used to spit whenever Sherman's name was mentioned!!!!!
At least I've still got John Bell Hood and good ol' Fightin' Joe.

'HERE LIES THE BODY OF THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA...
DIED OF BRAXTON BRAGG.'





   ----- Original Message -----
   From: G E Mayers
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:14 AM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP


   Richard;

   Whoa! Congrats!?!?!?! What did y'all do to earn that honor?

   Yr. Obt. Svt.
   G E "Gerry" Mayers

   To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
   one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
   passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
   God. --Anonymous
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: <richard@...>
   To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:28 PM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP

   > Guys -- (and Gals), I've just been appointed to the Board of
   > Trustees of the Kennesaw Mountain NBP Historical Asso. so if you're
   > ever in or around Atlanta, drop me a line and I'll try to arrange a
   > "special" tour. It really is a beautiful park.
   > BTW -- I guess I'd better brush up on the war in the West, huh? Who
   > IS this guy Sherman anyway?
   >
   > Richard
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: Stephen Recker
   > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:00 PM
   > Subject: [TalkAntietam] 13th New Jersey
   >
   >
   > I just got a 13th New Jersey commemorative badge that has:
   >
   > D=Society
   >
   > ...on it. Anyone have any idea what this means? Thanks.
   >
   > Stephen
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >





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Don't feel bad not knowing who Sherman is <g>

A girl from Winchester told me a story about some southern friends of
hers from the Shenandoah Valley who wanted to name their son after a
notable Civil War figure. They called the kid Sheridan.

Stephen

On Monday, December 11, 2006, at 08:37 AM, <richard@...> wrote:

> Thank you, sir. I guess they liked my books -- even though they're
> about what they tend to call "the OTHER war." I suspect there might be
> an "On to Atlanta" book in my future. At least the travel expenses
> would be minimal! Now -- who was this "Sherman" guy anyway? I know
> folks around these parts don't think too highly of him!!!!!! :-)
> My grandfather, in fact, used to spit whenever Sherman's name was
> mentioned!!!!!
> At least I've still got John Bell Hood and good ol' Fightin' Joe.
>
> 'HERE LIES THE BODY OF THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA...
> DIED OF BRAXTON BRAGG.'

And I bet they were shunned for that!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP


> Don't feel bad not knowing who Sherman is <g>
>
> A girl from Winchester told me a story about some southern friends
> of
> hers from the Shenandoah Valley who wanted to name their son after a
> notable Civil War figure. They called the kid Sheridan.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2006, at 08:37 AM, <richard@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, sir. I guess they liked my books -- even though they're
>> about what they tend to call "the OTHER war." I suspect there might
>> be
>> an "On to Atlanta" book in my future. At least the travel expenses
>> would be minimal! Now -- who was this "Sherman" guy anyway? I know
>> folks around these parts don't think too highly of him!!!!!! :-)
>> My grandfather, in fact, used to spit whenever Sherman's name was
>> mentioned!!!!!
>> At least I've still got John Bell Hood and good ol' Fightin' Joe.
>>
>> 'HERE LIES THE BODY OF THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA...
>> DIED OF BRAXTON BRAGG.'
>
>

Did you ever notice that all the southern states,  the Army post are named of
Confederate Generals. And the same with the North  they are named after
Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.


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Yuppp... Good PR moves if you ask me.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: <jdpolaski@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP


> Did you ever notice that all the southern states,  the Army post are
> named of
> Confederate Generals. And the same with the North  they are named
> after
> Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

jdpolaski@... wrote:
>
> Did you ever notice that all the southern states,  the Army post are
named of
> Confederate Generals. And the same with the North  they are named
after
> Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.


    The exception to that, of course, being Fort Bragg, NC, named for
Braxton Bragg, the best general the Union had. :-)

Regards,
Teej

Teej;

I fail to see how Bragg could be the best Yankee General the South
had...esp. when you consider all the "real" Yankee generals they did
have.... such as Pemberton, Cooper, etc.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "barringer63" <teej@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Kennesaw Mountain NBP


jdpolaski@... wrote:
>
> Did you ever notice that all the southern states,  the Army post are
named of
> Confederate Generals. And the same with the North  they are named
after
> Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.


    The exception to that, of course, being Fort Bragg, NC, named for
Braxton Bragg, the best general the Union had. :-)

Regards,
Teej

Fort McClellan was in Alabama.



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of jdpolaski@...
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:25 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP



Did you ever notice that all the southern states, the Army post are named of

Confederate Generals. And the same with the North they are named after
Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.

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Harry Smeltzer wrote:
>
> Fort McClellan was in Alabama.


    That's 'cause it was named for the best general the Confed...nah,
that's too easy.

Teej

Like he said -  generals with southern sympathies.

Stephen

On Monday, December 11, 2006, at 06:06 PM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:

> Fort McClellan was in Alabama.
>

Don't make me kick your ass, Steve.



Harry



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Recker
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:32 PM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Kennesaw Mountain NBP



Like he said - generals with southern sympathies.

Stephen

On Monday, December 11, 2006, at 06:06 PM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:

> Fort McClellan was in Alabama.
>





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Well Fort Meade is in Maryland.  Now do we consider Maryland a northern or
southern state? Yes, it stayed in the Union - BUT it is south of the Mason Dixon
Line, and Maryland was still a slave state!  Just something else to think about!

Paula

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Is it fair to say that Maryland was a "slave state" in the sense that
more Sourthern states were slave states? Obviously they had slaves,
but weren't they almost entirely in the very southern/eastern area,
sort of removed from the rest of the state? Doesn't that go a long
way toward explaining the lukewarm reception of Lee's army just prior
to Antietam (Sharpsburg, of course!)?

--Darin


On Dec 11, 2006, at 4:42 PM, 128thpa@... wrote:

>
> Well Fort Meade is in Maryland. Now do we consider Maryland a
> northern or southern state? Yes, it stayed in the Union - BUT it is
> south of the Mason Dixon Line, and Maryland was still a slave
> state! Just something else to think about!
>
> Paula
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



Darin Boville

Photography: www.darinboville.com




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Of course Maryland has Fort George G. Meade, hmmm.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> <jdpolaski@...> 12/11/06 4:25 PM >>>
Did you ever notice that all the southern states,  the Army post are
named of
Confederate Generals. And the same with the North  they are named after
Northern Generals. Just a little tid bit of information.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ft. McClellan was one of the training encampments mobilized for WW I.
Two reaons have been given for the name... 1. Recognizing McClellan's
skill at training and organizing an army and 2. Because the first
soldiers arriving and training at the new camp were from NJ, where
Little Mac ended his service.

There is also Ft. McPherson in Atlanta. That goes back to 1867,
reconstruction occupation, and honoring the most senior Union officer
killed in the Atlanta Campaign.

Ron Dickey

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...> wrote:
>
> Fort McClellan was in Alabama.
>
>
>
>

Yes Maryland was a slave state. Although the  Lincoln wanted to keep it a
northern state because of the location of the White  House. Maryland had its
simpities with the south but remember that at that time  when the Baltimore riot
broke out at President Street Station Lincoln locked  down Baltimore and locked
up the sympathizers. Mostly at Ft. McHenry. And  martial law was inforced.


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However, we Atlantans are loath to say, Fort McPherson is scheduled soon to be
closed.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: dickeyr46
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:05 AM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Kennesaw Mountain NBP


   Ft. McClellan was one of the training encampments mobilized for WW I.
   Two reaons have been given for the name... 1. Recognizing McClellan's
   skill at training and organizing an army and 2. Because the first
   soldiers arriving and training at the new camp were from NJ, where
   Little Mac ended his service.

   There is also Ft. McPherson in Atlanta. That goes back to 1867,
   reconstruction occupation, and honoring the most senior Union officer
   killed in the Atlanta Campaign.

   Ron Dickey

   --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...> wrote:
   >
   > Fort McClellan was in Alabama.
   >
   >
   >
   >





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Excuse my off-topic request, but it relates to preservation.
My son is a reporter in Salisbury, Md.  He is working on an article about the
preservation and maintenance of monuments/memorials in Eastern Shore Maryland
(also the north eastern part of Va that lies below Md, but mostly Md).   I have
given him some ideas of where to look - but he is trying to find names and
numbers of people to call.  He has tried some local historical societies, but
can't seem to get beyond that.

For example he has done some research on the Mason-Dixon Line markers but can't
seem to find one person or group that has the jurisdiction to repair/maintain
those monuments.

So if anyone has any ideas or even better knows someone he can contact to
discuss any of these monuments in the Eastern shore Md area, Please contact me
privately at 128thpa@....  I do not want to tie up this mail-list. 
Thank you.

Paula

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Due to the great feedback on my new "Human Interest Stories of the
Gettysburg Campaign," (amazon.com), I am 75% of the way completed
with its companion volume, "Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest
Stories of the Maryland Campaign." This latter work will be around
100 pages with a vast collection of stories, anecdotes, and snippets
culled and collected from a wide array of primary sources.

What I am asking is that if any of you have access to primary
accounts from the campaign that you think are worthy of inclusion,
please contact me off-line at scottmingus@.... I am primarily
interested in humorous incidents or unusual occurrences that are
documented by eyewitnesses and are from sources prior to 1920 (in
other words, materials that are out of copyright and can be reused or
edited freely into my writing style).

Feel free point me to any leads you may have, as it occurred to me
that this august body would have access to even more material than I
do alone.

Thanks in advance for your consideration of this Antietam request.


Scott Mingus
York, Pennsylvania

Dear Scott,

What specifically do you need? I have a typescript of a letter (copy
of the actual letter at Antietam NBP) written by Capt WT March of the
4th NC to a cousin just as the Maryland Campaign began.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Mingus" <scottmingus@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Research help requested


Due to the great feedback on my new "Human Interest Stories of the
Gettysburg Campaign," (amazon.com), I am 75% of the way completed
with its companion volume, "Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest
Stories of the Maryland Campaign." This latter work will be around
100 pages with a vast collection of stories, anecdotes, and snippets
culled and collected from a wide array of primary sources.

What I am asking is that if any of you have access to primary
accounts from the campaign that you think are worthy of inclusion,
please contact me off-line at scottmingus@.... I am primarily
interested in humorous incidents or unusual occurrences that are
documented by eyewitnesses and are from sources prior to 1920 (in
other words, materials that are out of copyright and can be reused or
edited freely into my writing style).

Feel free point me to any leads you may have, as it occurred to me
that this august body would have access to even more material than I
do alone.

Thanks in advance for your consideration of this Antietam request.


Scott Mingus
York, Pennsylvania

Be sure to let us know when it's done.  I would love a copy!

Richard Croker
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Scott Mingus
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:36 AM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Research help requested


   Due to the great feedback on my new "Human Interest Stories of the
   Gettysburg Campaign," (amazon.com), I am 75% of the way completed
   with its companion volume, "Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest
   Stories of the Maryland Campaign." This latter work will be around
   100 pages with a vast collection of stories, anecdotes, and snippets
   culled and collected from a wide array of primary sources.

   What I am asking is that if any of you have access to primary
   accounts from the campaign that you think are worthy of inclusion,
   please contact me off-line at scottmingus@.... I am primarily
   interested in humorous incidents or unusual occurrences that are
   documented by eyewitnesses and are from sources prior to 1920 (in
   other words, materials that are out of copyright and can be reused or
   edited freely into my writing style).

   Feel free point me to any leads you may have, as it occurred to me
   that this august body would have access to even more material than I
   do alone.

   Thanks in advance for your consideration of this Antietam request.

   Scott Mingus
   York, Pennsylvania





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Certainly Richard!


By the way, I have some autographed first edition copies of the new
Gettysburg book available for $9.95 plus modest postage. Contact me
off-line if any of you are interested.

Here's a sample story from my Antietam manuscript... this is a
collection of anecdotes and stories culled from old regimental
histories, diaries, letters, newspapers, etc.

As Capt. James Dinkins and his comrades in the 18th Mississippi
advanced towards the distant Yankees, men were falling at every step
as shells and shots pounded the earth and cut down the timber. A
spotted cow rambled through the line, going to the Mississippians'
rear, desperately running like a race horse with her tail was high in
the air. A Federal artillery shell struck the ground a few feet in
front of her and exploded, splattering dirt in all directions and
leaving a large hole. The terrified bovine plunged in the hole, but
soon scrambled out. Kit Gilmer of Company C hallooed, "Boys, she's a
Confederate cow; she's going South!"

James Dinkins, 1861-1865 by an Old Johnnie: Personal Recollections
and Experiences in the Confederate Army.  (Cincinnati: The Robert
Clarke Company, 1897).

There are about 300 such stories in this new work. The Gettysburg
book now in print is a similar collection related to that campaign.

Thanks to all who have contributed ideas so far!!!!

Scott Mingus
York, PA



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, <richard@...> wrote:
>
> Be sure to let us know when it's done.  I would love a copy!
>
> Richard Croker
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Scott Mingus
>   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:36 AM
>   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Research help requested
>
>
>   Due to the great feedback on my new "Human Interest Stories of
the
>   Gettysburg Campaign," (amazon.com), I am 75% of the way completed
>   with its companion volume, "Antietam Anecdotes: Human Interest
>   Stories of the Maryland Campaign." This latter work will be
around
>   100 pages with a vast collection of stories, anecdotes, and
snippets
>   culled and collected from a wide array of primary sources.
>
>   What I am asking is that if any of you have access to primary
>   accounts from the campaign that you think are worthy of
inclusion,
>   please contact me off-line at scottmingus@... I am primarily
>   interested in humorous incidents or unusual occurrences that are
>   documented by eyewitnesses and are from sources prior to 1920 (in
>   other words, materials that are out of copyright and can be
reused or
>   edited freely into my writing style).
>
>   Feel free point me to any leads you may have, as it occurred to
me
>   that this august body would have access to even more material
than I
>   do alone.
>
>   Thanks in advance for your consideration of this Antietam request.
>
>   Scott Mingus
>   York, Pennsylvania
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>