Tom;

You at least should be glad she was able to connect the song to the
movie!!!!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] "Gone With the Wind" Benefit at Maryland
Theaterin Hagerstown


> Thanks Richard.
> My favorite story is that as Vivian Leigh, obviously no history fan,
> was greeted at the airport by a band playing "Dixie" she remarked,
> "hey, they're playing that song from the picture!"  Oh well.
> Tom Clemens
>
>
>>>> <richard@...> 10/11/06 11:05 AM >>>
>
> Actually, the GWTW world premiere was at the Lowe's Grand theatre in
> Atlanta, Ga. The biggest event held in MY town until the 1991 World
> Series and (oh yeah) the Olympics.
>
> Cute sidebar. Clark Gable went to the Atlanta Cyclorama (puts the
> Gettysburg one to shame) and said afterwards, "That's the best
> picture I've ever seen that I wasn't in." So the artist added a
> moustache to one of the 3-dimensional characters so that Gable could
> "star" in the painting.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jeffcowvplanning
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:46 PM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] "Gone With the Wind" Benefit at Maryland
> Theater in Hagerstown
>
> Greetings everyone...
>
> Forgive the formality of the following information, but I cut and
> pasted it from an email.
>
> On December 2, we will be having a fundraising benefit to help
> restore the spar deck armament of the historic warship USS
> Constellation. The event will be held at the Maryland Theater in
> downtown Hagerstown, MD.
>
> The show will consist of a concert by the 28th Pennsylvania
> Regimental Band, followed by a showing on the big screen of "Gone
> With the Wind".
>
> The 28th PA Band is a recreated military band that wears Union army
> uniforms and plays period music on period brass instruments. They
> are featured in the soundtrack of the movie "Gods and Generals".
>
> Following the band, the David O. Selznick classic starring Clark
> Gable and Vivian Leigh will be shown on the big screen in this
> historic 1915 theater. Where else can you see GWTW in a theater
> where it could have been shown during its premier release in 1939?
>
> Tickets are $25 (consult your tax advisor regarding how much is tax
> deductible). All proceeds benefit the spar deck restoration on the
> ship (including the purchase and installation of a 30-pounder Naval
> Parrott Rifle!)
>
> To purchase tickets, visit the theater's website at
> www.mdtheatre.org
> where they can be purchased online, or by phoning the theater box
> office at 301-790-3500.
>
> STAGE BOXES: The Maryland Theater has stage boxes like Fords
> Theater. Boxes are reserved for patrons willng to attend in period
> attire to add flavor to the stage environment. Ticket price is the
> same ($25). To purchase box tickets, contact me (Steve Bockmiller)
> at 301-371-6311 or email me at DeBockster@... These tickets are
> first come-first served. There are 10 boxes. 2 are already sold.
> Boxes seat 4 and 6. Individual seats in boxes will be sold. You
> need not purchase the entire box, but period attire is required to
> sit in the boxes.
>
> CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS AND PROGRAM ADS: We are currently seeking
> corporate sponsorship in the amount of $4000 to underwrite the
> production cost of this event. We have a whole package of benefits
> and incentives for a sole sponsor willing to step up to the plate,
> including free use of the USS Constellation for a party or corporate
> event (catering extra....rental is waived). However, we will be
> happy to accept smaller corporate sponsorships for portions of this
> $4000 amount. We plan to sell full page advertisements in the
> event program for $250 each. For more information on corporate
> sponsorships and program ads, contact Steve Bockmiller at
> DeBockster@... or 301-371-6311.
>
> SPREAD THE WORD: Please assist us spreading the word of this event,
> so we can sell all 1300 tickets. If you belong to a group that has a
> newsletter (CWRT, SCV, SUV, historical society, reenactment group,
> etc.), please post this event in the "upcoming events" section of
> your newsletter. Any and all help along these lines would be much
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration. Hope all is well with
> everyone.
>
> Steve Bockmiller
>
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I'd never heard that one.  Why am I laughing????

She was, after all, a looney Brit.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Thomas Clemens
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:26 AM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] "Gone With the Wind" Benefit at Maryland Theaterin
Hagerstown


   Thanks Richard.
   My favorite story is that as Vivian Leigh, obviously no history fan, was
greeted at the airport by a band playing "Dixie" she remarked, "hey, they're
playing that song from the picture!" Oh well.
   Tom Clemens

   >>> <richard@...> 10/11/06 11:05 AM >>>

   Actually, the GWTW world premiere was at the Lowe's Grand theatre in Atlanta,
Ga. The biggest event held in MY town until the 1991 World Series and (oh yeah)
the Olympics.

   Cute sidebar. Clark Gable went to the Atlanta Cyclorama (puts the Gettysburg
one to shame) and said afterwards, "That's the best picture I've ever seen that
I wasn't in." So the artist added a moustache to one of the 3-dimensional
characters so that Gable could "star" in the painting.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jeffcowvplanning
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:46 PM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] "Gone With the Wind" Benefit at Maryland Theater in
Hagerstown

   Greetings everyone...

   Forgive the formality of the following information, but I cut and
   pasted it from an email.

   On December 2, we will be having a fundraising benefit to help
   restore the spar deck armament of the historic warship USS
   Constellation. The event will be held at the Maryland Theater in
   downtown Hagerstown, MD.

   The show will consist of a concert by the 28th Pennsylvania
   Regimental Band, followed by a showing on the big screen of "Gone
   With the Wind".

   The 28th PA Band is a recreated military band that wears Union army
   uniforms and plays period music on period brass instruments. They
   are featured in the soundtrack of the movie "Gods and Generals".

   Following the band, the David O. Selznick classic starring Clark
   Gable and Vivian Leigh will be shown on the big screen in this
   historic 1915 theater. Where else can you see GWTW in a theater
   where it could have been shown during its premier release in 1939?

   Tickets are $25 (consult your tax advisor regarding how much is tax
   deductible). All proceeds benefit the spar deck restoration on the
   ship (including the purchase and installation of a 30-pounder Naval
   Parrott Rifle!)

   To purchase tickets, visit the theater's website at www.mdtheatre.org
   where they can be purchased online, or by phoning the theater box
   office at 301-790-3500.

   STAGE BOXES: The Maryland Theater has stage boxes like Fords
   Theater. Boxes are reserved for patrons willng to attend in period
   attire to add flavor to the stage environment. Ticket price is the
   same ($25). To purchase box tickets, contact me (Steve Bockmiller)
   at 301-371-6311 or email me at DeBockster@... These tickets are
   first come-first served. There are 10 boxes. 2 are already sold.
   Boxes seat 4 and 6. Individual seats in boxes will be sold. You
   need not purchase the entire box, but period attire is required to
   sit in the boxes.

   CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS AND PROGRAM ADS: We are currently seeking
   corporate sponsorship in the amount of $4000 to underwrite the
   production cost of this event. We have a whole package of benefits
   and incentives for a sole sponsor willing to step up to the plate,
   including free use of the USS Constellation for a party or corporate
   event (catering extra....rental is waived). However, we will be
   happy to accept smaller corporate sponsorships for portions of this
   $4000 amount. We plan to sell full page advertisements in the
   event program for $250 each. For more information on corporate
   sponsorships and program ads, contact Steve Bockmiller at
   DeBockster@... or 301-371-6311.

   SPREAD THE WORD: Please assist us spreading the word of this event,
   so we can sell all 1300 tickets. If you belong to a group that has a
   newsletter (CWRT, SCV, SUV, historical society, reenactment group,
   etc.), please post this event in the "upcoming events" section of
   your newsletter. Any and all help along these lines would be much
   appreciated.

   Thank you for your time and consideration. Hope all is well with
   everyone.

   Steve Bockmiller

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On Sunday November 5, 2006, the National Capital Model Soldier Society will have
exhibits displayed in the upstairs of the Antietam park visitor center for one
day only. Come out and see the display!
Tom Shay - Cressona, PA

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Save Historic Antietam Foundation, Inc. and the National Park Service invite you
to pitch in at the next Battlefield Work Day.
To be held on Saturday, 11 November 2006, the day will be spent working on the
Ninth Corps Attack sector of the Battlefield. Meet at the Antietam National
Battlefield Visitor's Center parking lot at 9:00 AM.
All are welcome. Please dress in clothing appropriate for the weather and the
work. Gloves and water are recommended.
Tom Shay - Cressona, PA

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Thanks Tom, appreciate the announcement, pray for good weather.  We hope to work
near the final attack trail, cutting more trees to place some artillery pieces
out there.


Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College



>>> <RoteBaron@...> 10/30/06 11:15 AM >>>

Save Historic Antietam Foundation, Inc. and the National Park Service invite you
to pitch in at the next Battlefield Work Day.
To be held on Saturday, 11 November 2006, the day will be spent working on the
Ninth Corps Attack sector of the Battlefield. Meet at the Antietam National
Battlefield Visitor's Center parking lot at 9:00 AM.
All are welcome. Please dress in clothing appropriate for the weather and the
work. Gloves and water are recommended.
Tom Shay - Cressona, PA

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What were the terms by which Lincoln would accept the South back into
the Union per the Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation? As I read the
text it seems that Lincoln would accept the South back in, within 100
days, WITH their slavery intact, but after they were back in he would
offer them compensated emancipation, or some other voluntary scheme. I
can't find any reference to them having to give up slavery first,
before they can come back in. Thanks.

Stephen

Hey, where did everyone go? This place has gotten awful quiet lately.
What's going on?

Stephen

Stephen,

I have noticed that too...must be the time of year. As to your earlier
question, I am going to try to do some research on the Preliminary EP
and get back to you on it.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Where is everybody?


> Hey, where did everyone go? This place has gotten awful quiet
> lately.
> What's going on?
>
> Stephen
>
>

"I can't find any reference to them having to give up slavery first, before they
can come back in."

That's because there wasn't any. On the surface, the P EP was meant not to wean
slavery from the slave states but to encourage states in rebellion to return to
the Union. Simply put, for any state returning to the Union before Jan 1863,
slavery was still an open question. After that time, slavery was off the table.

Of course, it was quite obvious that no slave state was going to return to the
Union in the time frame specified; the real meaning behind the P EP was to state
that the Union policy, starting Jan 1 1863, would be for the US military to free
any slaves that fell under its control as a result of military advancement.

T.R. Livesey
tlivesey@...

On Wed Nov  8 12:58 , Stephen Recker <recker@...> sent:

>What were the terms by which Lincoln would accept the South back into
>the Union per the Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation? As I read the
>text it seems that Lincoln would accept the South back in, within 100
>days, WITH their slavery intact, but after they were back in he would
>offer them compensated emancipation, or some other voluntary scheme. I
>can't find any reference to them having to give up slavery first,
>before they can come back in. Thanks.
>
>Stephen
>
>
>
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The next meeeting of Gettysburg CWRT is November 16 , 2006.

The meeting with feature Stephen Recker (interactive historian and Director of
the Antietam Battlefield Guides). Topic is Virtual Gettysburg. Stephen will
discuss and demonstrate modern uses of technology in battlefield interpretation.
He will showcase current and upcoming productions including Virtual Gettysburg
v2.0, Virtual Antietam, the Online Interactive Battlefield Classroom and the
Pocket Ranger.

I am scheduled for the March 2007 meeting which will feature an overview of the
Antietam campaign. In May 2007, I will conduct an Antietam tour for the group.

Their website is http://www.cwrtgettysburg.org

Tom Shay


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Way to go, Tom!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: <RoteBaron@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Gettysburg CWRT


> The next meeeting of Gettysburg CWRT is November 16 , 2006.
>
> The meeting with feature Stephen Recker (interactive historian and
> Director of the Antietam Battlefield Guides). Topic is Virtual
> Gettysburg. Stephen will discuss and demonstrate modern uses of
> technology in battlefield interpretation. He will showcase current
> and upcoming productions including Virtual Gettysburg v2.0, Virtual
> Antietam, the Online Interactive Battlefield Classroom and the
> Pocket Ranger.
>
> I am scheduled for the March 2007 meeting which will feature an
> overview of the Antietam campaign. In May 2007, I will conduct an
> Antietam tour for the group.
>
> Their website is http://www.cwrtgettysburg.org
>
> Tom Shay
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Tom,

Thanks for the plug. I look forward to your talk and your battle walk
next spring.

Cheers,
Stephen

On Thursday, November 9, 2006, at 07:49 AM, RoteBaron@... wrote:

> The next meeeting of Gettysburg CWRT is November 16 , 2006.
>
> The meeting with feature Stephen Recker (interactive historian and
> Director of the Antietam Battlefield Guides). Topic is Virtual
> Gettysburg. Stephen will discuss and demonstrate modern uses of
> technology in battlefield interpretation. He will showcase current and
> upcoming productions including Virtual Gettysburg v2.0, Virtual
> Antietam, the Online Interactive Battlefield Classroom and the Pocket
> Ranger.
>
> I am scheduled for the March 2007 meeting which will feature an
> overview of the Antietam campaign. In May 2007, I will conduct an
> Antietam tour for the group.
>

Gerry,

Awesome. Thanks.

Stephen

On Wednesday, November 8, 2006, at 09:42 PM, G E Mayers wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> I have noticed that too...must be the time of year. As to your earlier
> question, I am going to try to do some research on the Preliminary EP
> and get back to you on i

Stephen,

I see that Todd Livesey already answered  your question and I tend to
agree with what he says. However, I will try to read the Prelim EP
with your question in mind. Hope to get back to you soon.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Where is everybody?


> Gerry,
>
> Awesome. Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2006, at 09:42 PM, G E Mayers wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> I have noticed that too...must be the time of year. As to your
>> earlier
>> question, I am going to try to do some research on the Preliminary
>> EP
>> and get back to you on i
>
>

Todd's letter didn't come through my email, but I found it on Yahoo's
site. Very interesting. Thanks.

Stephen

On Thursday, November 9, 2006, at 11:14 PM, G E Mayers wrote:

> I see that Todd Livesey already answered your question and I tend to
> agree with what he says. However, I will try to read the Prelim EP
> with your question in mind. Hope to get back to you soon.
>

All,

I am currently working on a script  for a video on the Maryland  campaign
including the Battle of Antietam.

I was hoping I could check some facts with the group from time to  time as I
go.

First question - I am having some trouble finding out exactly how many
pieces of artillery each side had at the outset of the campaign. How many did 
each
side have at the start of the battle? How many did Jackson capture at
Harpers Ferry? And did any of those make it to the battle on the 17th.?

Mike


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How many did Jackson capture at Harpers Ferry?
71 cannon
Source: Blue & Gray Magazine December 1998 (page 10)

How many did each side have at the start of the battle?
Confederate: 246 and Union: 293
Source: Blue & Gray Magazine December 1998 (page 10)

And did any of those make it to the battle on the 17th?
No batteries from  the captured booty at Harpers Ferry joined Gen. Lee at
Sharpsburg.
Source is ANTIETAM REVEALED by Dennis Frye (page 65)

Tom Shay

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In a message dated 11/26/2006 8:48:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
RoteBaron@... writes:

293


Thanks!!!


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Dear Mike,

What other information do you need to check?

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: <Darmok4349@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Help with Reasearch


> All,
>
> I am currently working on a script  for a video on the Maryland
> campaign
> including the Battle of Antietam.
>
> I was hoping I could check some facts with the group from time to
> time as I
> go.
>
> First question - I am having some trouble finding out exactly how
> many
> pieces of artillery each side had at the outset of the campaign. How
> many did  each
> side have at the start of the battle? How many did Jackson capture
> at
> Harpers Ferry? And did any of those make it to the battle on the
> 17th.?
>
> Mike
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Is it possible for the AoNV to "win" this battle?  This would have to
be done w/o major changes to the history of the battle.  However, that
night, the AOP would have to leave the field in possion of the AoNV.

Any suggestions?

Does anyone have a good reliable source that would give details on the
casualties on both sides for each part of the Battle. How many on the  cornfield
and in the sunken road and so on.

Mike


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Technically speaking, Lee did "win" the Battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg.
At the end of the day on September 17th, even though his army (ANV)
had been battered almost into extinction, his opponent could only
count a gain of a few hundred yards all along his line.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "James W. Durney" <JWD2044@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] AoNV Victory


Is it possible for the AoNV to "win" this battle?  This would have to
be done w/o major changes to the history of the battle.  However, that
night, the AOP would have to leave the field in possion of the AoNV.

Any suggestions?

Casualty figures, accurate casualty figures, for each major component
of the battle is a tough call.

Go to Antietam on the Web website via Google and see what it says
there.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: <Darmok4349@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Help with Reasearch


> Does anyone have a good reliable source that would give details on
> the
> casualties on both sides for each part of the Battle. How many on
> the  cornfield
> and in the sunken road and so on.
>
> Mike
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Mike,

The NPS site is probably a good place to start:
http://www.nps.gov/anti/historyculture/casualties.htm

This site states that 3,650 were killed. It is important to remember,
though, that many people use that number, but then also use a number
twice as large as having died from their wounds within two weeks.

Stephen

On Monday, November 27, 2006, at 10:58 PM, Darmok4349@... wrote:

> Does anyone have a good reliable source that would give details on the
> casualties on both sides for each part of the Battle. How many on the
> cornfield
> and in the sunken road and so on.
>
> Mike

Mike,

The casualties reported on the NPS site are broken down by the
traditional "Morning," "Mid-day," and "Afternoon" phases. Morning
lumps together The Cornfield, West Woods, and around the Dunker
Church. These figures come from the Official Records and from the
Antietam Battlefield Board.

Dr. Harsh in "Taken at the Flood" (p. 376) attributes 8,700 casualties
to the 160 acres of the Cornfield and East Woods and occurring before
9 am. I assume this includes the pastures south and west of The
Cornfield. On p. 394 he attributes 4,481 casualties to the fighting in
the West Woods and around the Dunker Church.

Agree with Stephen, probably another 3,650 soldiers scummed fairly
quickly to their wounds.

Regards,
Ron Dickey

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> The NPS site is probably a good place to start:
> http://www.nps.gov/anti/historyculture/casualties.htm
>
> This site states that 3,650 were killed. It is important to remember,
> though, that many people use that number, but then also use a number
> twice as large as having died from their wounds within two weeks.
>
> Stephen
>

Nonsense!  He left the field in possession of the enemy, just like at
Gettysburg.  If Lee "won" at Antietam, then he "won"  at Gettysburg, Bragg,
"won" at Perryvile, etc.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College



>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> 11/27/06 11:13 PM >>>

Technically speaking, Lee did "win" the Battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg.
At the end of the day on September 17th, even though his army (ANV)
had been battered almost into extinction, his opponent could only
count a gain of a few hundred yards all along his line.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "James W. Durney" <JWD2044@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] AoNV Victory

Is it possible for the AoNV to "win" this battle? This would have to
be done w/o major changes to the history of the battle. However, that
night, the AOP would have to leave the field in possion of the AoNV.

Any suggestions?





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The Steelers will play again this coming weekend, but that doesn't mean they
won in Baltimore on Sunday!



Harry



-----Original Message-----
From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Thomas Clemens
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:46 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] AoNV Victory



Nonsense! He left the field in possession of the enemy, just like at
Gettysburg. If Lee "won" at Antietam, then he "won" at Gettysburg, Bragg,
"won" at Perryvile, etc.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College

>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@fast. <mailto:gerry1952%40fast.net> net>
11/27/06 11:13 PM >>>

Technically speaking, Lee did "win" the Battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg.
At the end of the day on September 17th, even though his army (ANV)
had been battered almost into extinction, his opponent could only
count a gain of a few hundred yards all along his line.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
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From: "James W. Durney" <JWD2044@hotmail. <mailto:JWD2044%40hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] AoNV Victory

Is it possible for the AoNV to "win" this battle? This would have to
be done w/o major changes to the history of the battle. However, that
night, the AOP would have to leave the field in possion of the AoNV.

Any suggestions?

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No they sure didn't, sorry about that Harry.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College



>>> "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...> 11/28/06 11:06 AM >>>

The Steelers will play again this coming weekend, but that doesn't mean they
won in Baltimore on Sunday!

Harry

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From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Thomas Clemens
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:46 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
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Nonsense! He left the field in possession of the enemy, just like at
Gettysburg. If Lee "won" at Antietam, then he "won" at Gettysburg, Bragg,
"won" at Perryvile, etc.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College

>>> "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@fast. <mailto:gerry1952%40fast.net> net>
11/27/06 11:13 PM >>>

Technically speaking, Lee did "win" the Battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg.
At the end of the day on September 17th, even though his army (ANV)
had been battered almost into extinction, his opponent could only
count a gain of a few hundred yards all along his line.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
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From: "James W. Durney" <JWD2044@hotmail. <mailto:JWD2044%40hotmail.com>
com>
To: <TalkAntietam@ <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] AoNV Victory

Is it possible for the AoNV to "win" this battle? This would have to
be done w/o major changes to the history of the battle. However, that
night, the AOP would have to leave the field in possion of the AoNV.

Any suggestions?

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This isn't any help at all!

I don't care about "technical", having heard all the BS about Lee's
victories from Antietam to the Overland Campaign.  I need a realistic
way, that the AoNV holds the field and the AOP falls back.

Any ideas?

James

James,

If that is what you want, then may I suggest Dixie Victorious, a book
of essays (counter factuals) about how the South could have won the
war? There are a couple of essays dealing with Sharpsburg and the
battles around South Mountain.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
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From: "James W. Durney" <JWD2044@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: AoNV Victory


This isn't any help at all!

I don't care about "technical", having heard all the BS about Lee's
victories from Antietam to the Overland Campaign.  I need a realistic
way, that the AoNV holds the field and the AOP falls back.

Any ideas?

James