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#3062 From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
Date: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: Artillery Weekend (more followup)
gerry1952@...
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Tom;

LOL... I was referring to the NPS plans with respects to the website,
etc.

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: <RoteBaron@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Artillery Weekend (more followup)


> Apparently the friction primer did not ignite the powder charge, so
> the powder remained in the tube after the other guns had fired. The
> cannoneers made it immediately know to NPS personnel, and the
> potential danger (to the cannoneers) was quickly explained to the
> audience. The first step was to do nothing and await a firing, which
> could be result of slowly burning embers. I am not sure of the next
> steps taken after the pause (of about 2 minutes?). Eventually the
> gun was successfully fired.
>
> I'll let our resident artillerist (Tom C) provide more detail.
>
> Tom Shay
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Can you give a brief synopsis of what transpired here?
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>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
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>> Almighty
>> God. --Anonymous
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>> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Artillery Weekend (more followup)
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>> I added an additional video to my webpage. This is the firing in
>> which
>> Section 1's Gun #2 misfired. Obviously with three videos, the page
>> may
>> take 1+ minutes to load.
>> http://home.comcast.net/~schuylkillcwrt/artillery.htm
>>
>> The park is performing a major overhaul of the NPS website that
>> promises to offer plenty more features.
>>
>> I received a reply to an email I sent to Antietam in reaction to
>> the
>> lack of tours this Spring and Summer. The reply is similar to one
>> sent to another person.. If you are interested in these
>> corrrespondences and related issues that were brought to my
>> attention
>> while at the park on Saturday, please conect me privately
>> (RoteBaron@...).
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>> Tom Shay
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#3063 From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
Date: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:38 am
Subject: Re: Artillery Weekend (more followup)
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Yes that is pretty much it.  The Misfire Drill that the NPS uses is
based on the one in French, Barry & Hunt's Artillery Drill 1860.  It was
not unusual in the 1860's, and the government issued 75 friction primers
with every 50 rounds of ammo.  This provided for practice firing,
misfires, loss, etc.
The current problem, and what we experienced Saturday and Sunday several
times, is that the repro primers are not made like the originals, and
when they fail, they get stuck in the vent.    That creates a much more
dangerous situation because the cannoneer must stay in there near the
vent longer to clear it, and must often drive the old primer tube down
into the cartridge, making it into a projectile.  Not good.  If the
primer is still hot enough, it can even cause the gun to prematurely
discharge.
I say all of this because I wish someone would accurately reproduce the
original primer, which when it failed could be easily removed from the
vent.  As always, the question is money, but for safety reasons, many
artillery enthusiasts, and more importantly the NPS, would bless the
name of someone who could do it.  My two cents worth, sorry about the
rant.
Tom C



Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College

#3064 From: "Bud Wilkinson" <gwilk@...>
Date: Tue Jul 4, 2006 12:11 pm
Subject: Fw: Happy 4th.........
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Neat one........

   http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=VE44709695

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#3065 From: "Bud Wilkinson" <gwilk@...>
Date: Wed Jul 5, 2006 12:41 pm
Subject: Horses & Fawn
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I wonder if this fawn has now grown & is the one that is eating my pepper &
tomato plants?







           Isn't this a beautiful sight..
         After the horses moved on, the doe came for her wondering fawn. So all
is well in case you were wondering.























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#3066 From: Bud Wilkinson <gwilk@...>
Date: Wed Jul 5, 2006 1:13 pm
Subject: Horses & Fawn
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OOPS......SENT IN ERROR........

I wonder if this fawn has now grown & is the one that is eating my pepper &
tomato plants?

#3067 From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Thu Jul 6, 2006 4:13 am
Subject: 132d PA...or not?
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I was at a book store this weekend and read in a book about a regiment
in a brigade (Union) approaching the Sunken Road. The brigade, I
believe it was in French's Division, started getting fire from the rear
from another Union brigade in its division. They moved to the side and
the friendly fire stopped.

I went back to buy the book, "War From the Inside", the story of the
132nd PA, and read the book but can't find the friendly fire anecdote.
I know I looked in a million books that day, but was pretty sure that
was the book. Any ideas where that might've been I was looking? Thanks.

Stephen

#3068 From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Sun Jul 9, 2006 12:36 am
Subject: Christ Reformed Church, Middletown, MD (was: Conf. signal station)
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I am not sure who it is that is doing all of the research on
Middletown, but I just got back from a postcard show with a card that
has a photo of a church with this heading: Christ Reformed Church,
Middletown, MD. Ge. McClellan was in the steeple with signal corps
during Battle of South Mountain-Church used as hospital during and
after battle.

If you wish to copy this for your book, contact me directly. They also
has a nice real photo postcard of Main Street Middletown from 1872. I
can direct you to them if you wish.

BTW (shameless plug) I bought this postcard to include in my new
CD-ROM: Antietam Artifacts - Early Postcards of the Maryland Campaign
of 1862. You can get it in the visitor center at Antietam.

Stephen




On Monday, January 9, 2006, at 09:05 PM, jeffcowvplanning wrote:

> On the other hand local lore (yes...take it for what you paid for it)
> implies the Reformed Church, with local lore that McClellan observed
> part of the battle from the Reformed Church steeple.  I speculated
> (with no evidence) that if the Lutheran Church was being used as the
> primary hospital in town the day before and of the battle, would the
> signal corps use it if the bell deck in the steeple at the Reformed
> Church was about the same elevation and fewer casualties housed at
> the Reformed Church?

#3069 From: "jeffcowvplanning" <jeffcowvplanning@...>
Date: Sun Jul 9, 2006 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: Christ Reformed Church, Middletown, MD (was: Conf. signal station)
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Stephen...

I am the one researching Middletown for an anticipated local history
of the town and how it was impacted by the war.

I would love to get a copy of the two postcards you mention for the
book.  I wish I could find authentication of the claims that it was
used ty McClellan and the signal corps, as I can find none.  But, the
local lore seems hard and fast, and goes back a long time.

I will get a copy of your CD.  Thanks for mentioning it to me.

I don't know your direct email address.  Please email me at
bockmiller at adelphia dot net.

Thanks.
Steve Bockmiller
Middletown

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...>
wrote:
>
> I am not sure who it is that is doing all of the research on
> Middletown, but I just got back from a postcard show with a card
that
> has a photo of a church with this heading: Christ Reformed Church,
> Middletown, MD. Ge. McClellan was in the steeple with signal corps
> during Battle of South Mountain-Church used as hospital during and
> after battle.
>
> If you wish to copy this for your book, contact me directly. They
also
> has a nice real photo postcard of Main Street Middletown from 1872.
I
> can direct you to them if you wish.
>
> BTW (shameless plug) I bought this postcard to include in my new
> CD-ROM: Antietam Artifacts - Early Postcards of the Maryland
Campaign
> of 1862. You can get it in the visitor center at Antietam.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 9, 2006, at 09:05 PM, jeffcowvplanning wrote:
>
> > On the other hand local lore (yes...take it for what you paid for
it)
> > implies the Reformed Church, with local lore that McClellan
observed
> > part of the battle from the Reformed Church steeple.  I speculated
> > (with no evidence) that if the Lutheran Church was being used as
the
> > primary hospital in town the day before and of the battle, would
the
> > signal corps use it if the bell deck in the steeple at the
Reformed
> > Church was about the same elevation and fewer casualties housed at
> > the Reformed Church?
>

#3070 From: RoteBaron@...
Date: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:43 am
Subject: Battlefield to present 1ST TEXAS weekend
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Antietam Battlefield to present '1st Texas' weekend ...
Living history volunteers from Medich's Confederate Battalion will tell the
story of the men from the 1st Texas regiment at Antietam. Weapons and tactics
demonstrations will be held throughout Saturday and Sunday, July 29 and 30, with
ongoing interpretation in the camp throughout the day.
Tom Shay

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#3071 From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:39 pm
Subject: If they'd wanted me to take the bridge...
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that George Crook said, after the
war, and after getting lost trying to find Burnside Bridge, "...if
they'd wanted me to take the bridge they would've told me where it was."

Has anyone else ever heard this quote? If so where is it from. Thanks.

Stephen

#3072 From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: If they'd wanted me to take the bridge...
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Da'ohh. I meant to quote Crook as, "..if they'd wanted me to take the
bridge they SHould've told me where it was."


On Friday, July 21, 2006, at 07:39 PM, Stephen Recker wrote:

> "...if
> they'd wanted me to take the bridge they would've told me where it
> was."
>

#3073 From: "Scott Hann" <antietamcollector@...>
Date: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:16 pm
Subject: A Balaklava of Their Own - The 7th Maine at Antietam
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I just picked up the September 2006 issue of "America's Civil War" and
saw one of my favorite Antietam regiments, the 7th Maine, as the
featured article.  Is the author, T. Jeff Driscoll, a member of our
site, or does anyone know who I can reach him?  I'm curious about the
photo used on page 28.  It shows seven unidentified members of the
regiment, and is identical to a photo in my collection.

#3074 From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
Date: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: A Balaklava of Their Own - The 7th Maine at Antietam
eacarman1862
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The author is a friend of mine, and i was going to call him tonight
anyway.  Shall I ask where he got the photo?  I will put him in touch
with you if he is amenable to the idea.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


>>> antietamcollector@... 07/24/06 2:16 PM >>>
I just picked up the September 2006 issue of "America's Civil War" and
saw one of my favorite Antietam regiments, the 7th Maine, as the
featured article.  Is the author, T. Jeff Driscoll, a member of our
site, or does anyone know who I can reach him?  I'm curious about the
photo used on page 28.  It shows seven unidentified members of the
regiment, and is identical to a photo in my collection.

#3075 From: "Scott Hann" <antietamcollector@...>
Date: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: A Balaklava of Their Own - The 7th Maine at Antietam
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Hello Tom,

Years ago I brought my image to the USMHI to be photographed for their
archives, and this is who is credited in the article.  I'm wondering
if it was my image that was used, but computer enhanced and a border
added, or if this image exists in another format.  Mine is an albumen,
while the one in the article appears to be a CDV or gallery card.  For
years I've been trying to identify the men in the image with no luck,
other than the fact that the two men in the back row appear to be
Indians from the Penobscot Tribe.

Thanks for contacting your friend.  It's too bad that I didn't know
ahead of time that he was writing his aricle because I could have
provided him with a view of Adj. Haskell (mortally wounded) and an
early war view of Major Hyde.

Scott

#3076 From: "Brian Downey" <bdowney@...>
Date: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:05 pm
Subject: Mumma returns to ANBP
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Park service worker's ancestral farm was site of historic battle
Frederick News Post - July 24, 2006

By Karen Gardner
News-Post Staff
SHARPSBURG -- The way Ike Mumma sees it, his life has come full circle.

He got to spend 20 years in Alaska, a place he'd always wanted to see,
tagging grizzlies and fishing. Then he came home to care for his aging
parents and got a job in the park where his family farm once stood ...

full article here:
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?storyid=50825

#3077 From: RoteBaron@...
Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:29 pm
Subject: Antietam Seminar Sept 22-24
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I received a brochure from Greater Chambersburg Chamber of Commerce for a
seminar they are offering September 22-24, 2006.
The seminar is “From the Cornfield to the Dunker Church: The Morning Phase at
Antietam,” with Ed Bearss, James McPherson, Dennis Frye, Keith Snyder, and Brian
Baracz..
You can get more information by calling Greater Chambersburg Chamber of Commerce
at (717) 254-7101 or by e-mail at chamber@...
Their website needs to be updated with more info:
http://www.chambersburg.org/pages.asp?page=33
Tom Shay

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#3078 From: "Scott Hann" <antietamcollector@...>
Date: Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:25 am
Subject: 29th Massachusetts at Antietam
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I'm trying to research Capt. Henry R. Sibley, Co. H, 29th
Massachusetts and his regiment at Antietam.  Sibley had a "narrow
escape from death" at Antietam.  For years I've been trying to find
out what that "narrow escape" was.  Do any of our members have access
to newspaper or unpublished accounts of the 29th at Antietam?  I'm
especially interested in soldiers' letters and diaries.  Thanks for
helping me solve this mystery.  Scott

#3079 From: RoteBaron@...
Date: Wed Aug 2, 2006 12:00 pm
Subject: Antietam events (update)
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Technology of War weekend
Antietam National Battlefield will present a Technology of War weekend Saturday,
Aug. 12 and Sunday, Aug. 13. Living history volunteers portraying Berdan's
Sharpshooters and Union infantry will perform tactical firing demonstrations to
illustrate advances in military technology during the Civil War. These advances
in technology were one reason the Battle of Antietam became the bloodiest
single-day battle in American history.
Col. Vince Armstrong will display his gun collection to show the rapid change in
firearms technology before and during the Civil War. His interpretive program
will follow the weapons and tactics demonstrations on Saturday and Sunday, with
ongoing interpretation in the camp throughout the day.
27th Virginia Infantry weekend
Antietam National Battlefield will present the 27th Virginia Infantry weekend
Saturday, Aug. 19 and Sunday, Aug. 20. Living history volunteers will portray
the 27th Virginia Infantry recreating the life of a Civil War soldier, how he
lived, marched and fought. Join the 27th Virginia to learn about the history of
the regiment and the stories of the common soldiers who fought with this unit.
Weapons and tactics demonstrations will be held on Saturday and Sunday, with
ongoing interpretation in the camp throughout the day. Special kids' program
will meet at the Visitor Center at noon on both days.
Antietam Battlefield Torch Light Tour
Antietam National Battlefield will present a Torch Light Tour Saturday, Sept.
16, as part of Battle Anniversary Weekend.
Living history volunteers will portray vignettes of the Maryland Campaign.
Witness the impact of the bloodiest single day in American history on the men
who fought as well as the local civilians. Call 301-432-5124 for reservations.
Tom Shay

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#3080 From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:57 pm
Subject: Re Sumner and West Woods
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Gang,

Can anyone tell me if Sumner effectively pushed Sedgwick's division
out beyond the Alfred Poffenberger farm?

Thanks!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous

#3081 From: "Brian Downey" <bdowney@...>
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Re Sumner and West Woods
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Hi Gerry,

The Carman-Cope map for the period 9-9:30 AM, which should cover
maximum penetration by Sedgwick, has the regiments of Gorman's Brigade
up to and on the eastern fields of the farm, but not as far as the
farmhouse.  Not further west than that, so I'd say not "out beyond" it.

Map at the Library of Congress here:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=milmap&action=browse&fileName=gmd384\
m/g3842m/g3842am/gcw0247000/ct_browse.db&displayType=3&maxCols=3&recNum=0&itemLi\
nk=r?ammem/gmd:@field(NUMBER+@band(g3842am+gcw0247000))&title2=Atlas+of+the+batt\
lefield+of+Antietam+%2f+&linkText=Back+to+bibliographic+information
... interpreted at AotW here: http://aotw.org/maps.php?map_number=5

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> Can anyone tell me if Sumner effectively pushed Sedgwick's division
> out beyond the Alfred Poffenberger farm?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
> one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
> passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
> God. --Anonymous
>

#3082 From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re Sumner and West Woods
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Thanks, Brian!

Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers

To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Downey" <bdowney@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Re Sumner and West Woods


> Hi Gerry,
>
> The Carman-Cope map for the period 9-9:30 AM, which should cover
> maximum penetration by Sedgwick, has the regiments of Gorman's
> Brigade
> up to and on the eastern fields of the farm, but not as far as the
> farmhouse.  Not further west than that, so I'd say not "out beyond"
> it.
>
> Map at the Library of Congress here:
>
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=milmap&action=browse&fileName=gmd384\
m/g3842m/g3842am/gcw0247000/ct_browse.db&displayType=3&maxCols=3&recNum=0&itemLi\
nk=r?ammem/gmd:@field(NUMBER+@band(g3842am+gcw0247000))&title2=Atlas+of+the+batt\
lefield+of+Antietam+%2f+&linkText=Back+to+bibliographic+information
> ... interpreted at AotW here: http://aotw.org/maps.php?map_number=5
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Gang,
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if Sumner effectively pushed Sedgwick's division
>> out beyond the Alfred Poffenberger farm?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>>
>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
>> one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union,
>> a
>> passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the
>> Almighty
>> God. --Anonymous
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#3083 From: "dickeyr46" <dickeyr46@...>
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: Re Sumner and West Woods
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Gerry,

Just to support Brian's response, take a look at four of the OR
reports AotW has online as references. Look at Maj HJ Williams' report
for Winder's Brigade and Capt Frank C. Wilson's report for the 27th
Vir. Inf. They have pretty good descriptions of Jackson's forces
positioning west of the West Woods. LTC John W. Kimball's report for
the 15th Mass. Inf. addresses how close his soldiers got to the the
barn and hay stacks of the farm. Finally, Capt PH Loud's report for
the 10th Ga. Inf. (Semmes Brigade) addresses McLaws' attack through
this area. All of these reports talk about "barn, straw-stacks,
stack-yard, ledge of rocks, pile of rocks, hay stacks, and buildings"
From these reports it is pretty clear that the farm and farm buildings
were always occupied by Jackson's men.

Regards,
Ron Dickey

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Brian!
>
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
> one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
> passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
> God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Downey" <bdowney@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:37 AM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Re Sumner and West Woods
>
>
> > Hi Gerry,
> >
> > The Carman-Cope map for the period 9-9:30 AM, which should cover
> > maximum penetration by Sedgwick, has the regiments of Gorman's
> > Brigade
> > up to and on the eastern fields of the farm, but not as far as the
> > farmhouse.  Not further west than that, so I'd say not "out beyond"
> > it.
> >
> > Map at the Library of Congress here:
> >
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=milmap&action=browse&fileName=gmd384\
m/g3842m/g3842am/gcw0247000/ct_browse.db&displayType=3&maxCols=3&recNum=0&itemLi\
nk=r?ammem/gmd:@field(NUMBER+@band(g3842am+gcw0247000))&title2=Atlas+of+the+batt\
lefield+of+Antietam+%2f+&linkText=Back+to+bibliographic+information
> > ... interpreted at AotW here: http://aotw.org/maps.php?map_number=5

> >
>

#3084 From: RoteBaron@...
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:01 pm
Subject: Reward Offered in Battlefield Dumping
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From today's Hagerstown Herald-Mail...

REWARD OFFERED IN BATTLEFIELD DUMPING

SHARPSBURG - A $100 reward is being offered for information leading to the
arrest and prosecution of the person or people responsible for dumping trash at
Antietam National Battlefield.

According to a National Park Service press release, a large amount of debris,
including old windows, window frames and insulation, was illegally dumped near
Antietam Creek along Burnside Bridge Road in Sharpsburg.
To provide information about the dumping, call the Antietam National Battlefield
Division of Natural Resources and Protection at 301-432-2243

Posted by Tom Shay

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#3085 From: "Brian Downey" <bdowney@...>
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: Christ Reformed Church, Middletown, MD (was: Conf. signal station)
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Hi Jeff, all,

I've just twigged to a related discussion about this on the SCARD
Signal Corps (http://www.cwoodcock.com/forum/db_TalkToMeV2.cgi)
discussion group.  One of the posters there remembers seeing a "bronze
plaque", probably on the Lutheran Church in Middletown, presumably
attesting to the use as a signal station in 1862.

This can't be that hard to verify.  Is there such a plaque?   If so,
what does it say?

I'll certainly be up that way at least once in September, and could
stop in, but perhaps someone living closer than I could verify this
sooner?

Regards,
Brian

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcowvplanning"
<jeffcowvplanning@...> wrote:
>
> Stephen...
>
> I am the one researching Middletown for an anticipated local history
> of the town and how it was impacted by the war.
>
> I would love to get a copy of the two postcards you mention for the
> book.  I wish I could find authentication of the claims that it was
> used ty McClellan and the signal corps, as I can find none.  But, the
> local lore seems hard and fast, and goes back a long time.
>
> I will get a copy of your CD.  Thanks for mentioning it to me.
>
> I don't know your direct email address.  Please email me at
> bockmiller at adelphia dot net.
>
> Thanks.
> Steve Bockmiller
> Middletown
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure who it is that is doing all of the research on
> > Middletown, but I just got back from a postcard show with a card
> that
> > has a photo of a church with this heading: Christ Reformed Church,
> > Middletown, MD. Ge. McClellan was in the steeple with signal corps
> > during Battle of South Mountain-Church used as hospital during and
> > after battle.
> >
> > If you wish to copy this for your book, contact me directly. They
> also
> > has a nice real photo postcard of Main Street Middletown from 1872.
> I
> > can direct you to them if you wish.
> >
> > BTW (shameless plug) I bought this postcard to include in my new
> > CD-ROM: Antietam Artifacts - Early Postcards of the Maryland
> Campaign
> > of 1862. You can get it in the visitor center at Antietam.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, January 9, 2006, at 09:05 PM, jeffcowvplanning wrote:
> >
> > > On the other hand local lore (yes...take it for what you paid for
> it)
> > > implies the Reformed Church, with local lore that McClellan
> observed
> > > part of the battle from the Reformed Church steeple.  I speculated
> > > (with no evidence) that if the Lutheran Church was being used as
> the
> > > primary hospital in town the day before and of the battle, would
> the
> > > signal corps use it if the bell deck in the steeple at the
> Reformed
> > > Church was about the same elevation and fewer casualties housed at
> > > the Reformed Church?
> >
>

#3086 From: "jeffcowvplanning" <jeffcowvplanning@...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:46 am
Subject: Re: Christ Reformed Church, Middletown, MD (was: Conf. signal station)
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Brian...
I live a block from the Lutheran Church (and recently joined the
church).  I see the plaque every week, but never looked that
closely.  I went up the other night to re-read it, and as I
recalled...it mentions only the use as a hospital, and nothing about
as a signal station.

I tapped into that discussion group to see the chatter on the topic.
Do feel free to post the question (who can document whether it was
the Lutheran or Reformed steeple used as a signal station in the
Antietam and Gettysburg campaigns?) to see what the response would be.

Thanks for the help.

Steve

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Downey" <bdowney@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff, all,
>
> I've just twigged to a related discussion about this on the SCARD
> Signal Corps (http://www.cwoodcock.com/forum/db_TalkToMeV2.cgi)
> discussion group.  One of the posters there remembers seeing
a "bronze
> plaque", probably on the Lutheran Church in Middletown, presumably
> attesting to the use as a signal station in 1862.
>
> This can't be that hard to verify.  Is there such a plaque?   If so,
> what does it say?
>
> I'll certainly be up that way at least once in September, and could
> stop in, but perhaps someone living closer than I could verify this
> sooner?
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcowvplanning"
> <jeffcowvplanning@> wrote:
> >
> > Stephen...
> >
> > I am the one researching Middletown for an anticipated local
history
> > of the town and how it was impacted by the war.
> >
> > I would love to get a copy of the two postcards you mention for
the
> > book.  I wish I could find authentication of the claims that it
was
> > used ty McClellan and the signal corps, as I can find none.  But,
the
> > local lore seems hard and fast, and goes back a long time.
> >
> > I will get a copy of your CD.  Thanks for mentioning it to me.
> >
> > I don't know your direct email address.  Please email me at
> > bockmiller at adelphia dot net.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Steve Bockmiller
> > Middletown
> >
> > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I am not sure who it is that is doing all of the research on
> > > Middletown, but I just got back from a postcard show with a
card
> > that
> > > has a photo of a church with this heading: Christ Reformed
Church,
> > > Middletown, MD. Ge. McClellan was in the steeple with signal
corps
> > > during Battle of South Mountain-Church used as hospital during
and
> > > after battle.
> > >
> > > If you wish to copy this for your book, contact me directly.
They
> > also
> > > has a nice real photo postcard of Main Street Middletown from
1872.
> > I
> > > can direct you to them if you wish.
> > >
> > > BTW (shameless plug) I bought this postcard to include in my
new
> > > CD-ROM: Antietam Artifacts - Early Postcards of the Maryland
> > Campaign
> > > of 1862. You can get it in the visitor center at Antietam.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, January 9, 2006, at 09:05 PM, jeffcowvplanning wrote:
> > >
> > > > On the other hand local lore (yes...take it for what you paid
for
> > it)
> > > > implies the Reformed Church, with local lore that McClellan
> > observed
> > > > part of the battle from the Reformed Church steeple.  I
speculated
> > > > (with no evidence) that if the Lutheran Church was being used
as
> > the
> > > > primary hospital in town the day before and of the battle,
would
> > the
> > > > signal corps use it if the bell deck in the steeple at the
> > Reformed
> > > > Church was about the same elevation and fewer casualties
housed at
> > > > the Reformed Church?
> > >
> >
>

#3087 From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:29 pm
Subject: Anniversary walks?
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Does anyone know what the schedule is for ranger-led Anniversary walks
this year? The NPS site says the list will come out in late August, but
I'm too impatient to wait so I thought I'd ask. Thanks.

Stephen

#3088 From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:34 pm
Subject: Camp Jackson in Williamsport
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I just bought a letter written by a fellow in the 13th MA. It was
mailed from Camp Jackson in Williamsport, MD in February, 1862. Does
anyone know where that was? Thanks.

Stephen

#3089 From: "Scott Hann" <antietamcollector@...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:53 am
Subject: Re: Camp Jackson in Williamsport
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Hi Stephen,

This weekend I was contacted by a historian who is writing a new
regimental history of the 13th MA.  I'll drop him a line and see if he
knows where your camp is at.  In the meantime, did you check the
regimental history by Charles E. Davis?  Also, the veterans of the
regiment published annual "circulars" which include information not
found in the regimental history.  Give me the name of your soldier and
I'll see what I can find.  And if he was a member of Company B chances
are I have a photograph of him.

Scott

#3090 From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Camp Jackson in Williamsport
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Scott,

Great to hear from you. I was starting to think that everyone had
abandoned this list. BTW, missed you in Richmond last weekend. Decent
show. I haven't read Davis' book, but have it on order.

I have both an envelope and a letter from Company C, 13th MA.

The letter was written by: FRANCIS A. BRADBURY; age, 24; born,
Newburyport, Mass.; grocer; mustered in as priv., Co. C, July 16, '61;
transferred, Nov. 15, '63, to V.R.C.

The envelope was sent by: SAMUEL L. GREEN; age, 21; born, Medford,
Mass.; foreman Maiden car stables; mustered in as priv., Co. C, Feb.
13, '62; mustered out. Dec. 19, '62; wounded, Aug. 30, '62; residence.
Maiden, Mass.

It looks like Green was wounded at Second Manassass, but Bradbury
apparently made it through Antietam. Thanks for your help.

Stephen






On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 11:53 PM, Scott Hann wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> This weekend I was contacted by a historian who is writing a new
> regimental history of the 13th MA. I'll drop him a line and see if he
> knows where your camp is at. In the meantime, did you check the
> regimental history by Charles E. Davis? Also, the veterans of the
> regiment published annual "circulars" which include information not
> found in the regimental history. Give me the name of your soldier and
> I'll see what I can find. And if he was a member of Company B chances
> are I have a photograph of him.
>
> Scott

#3091 From: "tommygeebassman" <tommygeebassman@...>
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:43 am
Subject: Re: Camp Jackson in Williamsport
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--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:
>
> I just bought a letter written by a fellow in the 13th MA. It was
> mailed from Camp Jackson in Williamsport, MD in February, 1862. Does
> anyone know where that was? Thanks.
>
> Stephen
>
Stephen, I am a new member of the group .. I always am intrigued by
questions like yours, so I did a little research .. the only reference
to Camp Jackson that I found was the following
http://www.galegroup.com/pdf/scguides/unitedstates/ussccirrollconts.pdf
.. scroll down to line 72 of this PDF file "Camp Inspection Returns
1861-1864" .. you will see a reference to the 29th Pennsylvania
Infantry located at "Camp Jackson near Sandy Hook, Maryland, August
13, 1861" .. I then researched the 29th Pennsylvania .. see
http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/infantry/29th/29thorg.html ..they were
originally known as the "Jackson Regiment" which may have led to the
naming of the camp (the regiment was mustered in a few months earlier
than the date on the above reference,in May, 1861) .. I then did a
close study of my "Official Military Atlas" but didn't find a Camp
ackson anywhere around Sandy Hook .. maybe Camp Jackson was an
unofficial name? By the time your letter was written the 29th Pa had
apparently moved on .. perhaps it was used as a training base or
something like that.. I'll keep looking around .. hope this helps a
little .. Tom Gilbert

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