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#2835

From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
Date: Mon Apr 3, 2006 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it. Sigh.



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>>> recker@... 4/2/2006 5:42:59 PM >>>



I see there is a new book by Donald Jermann coming out about the Lost



Order. has anyone read it? Thanks.



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1589803663/sr=8-1/qid=1144014019/

ref=sr_1_1/102-4497351-8630507?%5Fencoding=UTF8



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#2837

From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Mon Apr 3, 2006 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Sorry I brought it up ;-)



Too bad this wasn't a case of a Lost eMail.



Stephen



On Monday, April 3, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Thomas Clemens wrote:



> No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it. Sigh.

#2836

From: "Teej Smith" <teej@...>
Date: Mon Apr 3, 2006 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Tom,





> No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it. Sigh.



     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think of Wilbur

Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"



Teej

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#2838

From: <richard@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 12:44 am
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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LoL!!!!!!!!!!!





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#2839

From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 1:12 am
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.  He

obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people do that

for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was not so

good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

foibles....?"

Tom



>>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>





Tom,





> No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

Sigh.



     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think of

Wilbur

Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"



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#2840

From: <richard@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 2:21 am
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER than

speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with his

cigars.





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> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.  He

> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people do that

> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was not so

> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

> foibles....?"

> Tom

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#2841

From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 2:23 am
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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LOL.



Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to his

book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown lieutenant

dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up and

returning it to the officer.



Yr. Obt. Svt.

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people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

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> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER

> than

> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with

> his

> cigars.

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>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.

>> He

>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people do

>> that

>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was

>> not so

>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>> foibles....?"

>> Tom

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>> Tom,

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>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

>> Sigh.

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>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

>> of

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#2842

From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 2:29 am
Subject: RE: Antietam, the Lost Order

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IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.







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LOL.



Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to his

book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown lieutenant

dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up and

returning it to the officer.



Yr. Obt. Svt.

G E "Gerry" Mayers



"....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

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> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER

> than

> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with

> his

> cigars.

>

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

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>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.

>> He

>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people do

>> that

>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was

>> not so

>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>> foibles....?"

>> Tom

>>

>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

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>> Tom,

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>>

>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

>> Sigh.

>>

>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

>> of

>> Wilbur

>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

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#2844

From: "barringer63" <teej@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 4:04 am
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Harry Smeltzer wrote:



> IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.



    As long as they had a convenient Tar Heel to blame it on, what else

did they need?



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#2843

From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 3:31 am
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Harry;



I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which is

so over the top it is totally implausible)!!



LOLMAO!!!



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people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

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> IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

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> LOL.

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> Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to his

> book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

> lieutenant

> dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up

> and

> returning it to the officer.

>

> Yr. Obt. Svt.

> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>

> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

> the

> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

> same

> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

> 1788

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> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:21 PM

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

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>> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER

>> than

>> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with

>> his

>> cigars.

>>

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

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>>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.

>>> He

>>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people

>>> do

>>> that

>>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was

>>> not so

>>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>>> foibles....?"

>>> Tom

>>>

>>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Tom,

>>>

>>>

>>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

>>> Sigh.

>>>

>>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

>>> of

>>> Wilbur

>>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

>>>

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#2845

From: <richard@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 4:19 am
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Actually "Guns of the South" wasn't really over the top for what it was.  It

wasn't a book about the Civil War.  It was a book about what might happen if

any incredibly moral man faced an incredibly difficult moral dilemma.  In

short -- it was a book about  --



HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.



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> Harry;

>

> I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

> entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which is

> so over the top it is totally implausible)!!

>

> LOLMAO!!!

>

> Yr. Obt. Svt.

> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>

> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

> 1788

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM

> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

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> >

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> > LOL.

> >

> > Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to his

> > book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

> > lieutenant

> > dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up

> > and

> > returning it to the officer.

> >

> > Yr. Obt. Svt.

> > G E "Gerry" Mayers

> >

> > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

> > the

> > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

> > same

> > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

> > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

> > 1788

> >

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> > From: <richard@...>

> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:21 PM

> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

> >

> >

> >> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER

> >> than

> >> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with

> >> his

> >> cigars.

> >>

> >>

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

> >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

> >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

> >>

> >>

> >>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.

> >>> He

> >>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people

> >>> do

> >>> that

> >>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was

> >>> not so

> >>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

> >>> foibles....?"

> >>> Tom

> >>>

> >>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Tom,

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

> >>> Sigh.

> >>>

> >>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

> >>> of

> >>> Wilbur

> >>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

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Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 4:33 am
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Richard wrote:

>

<snip>



> HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

> Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.



   STOP right there! If you're about to tell me that Mr. Ed wasn't

real, I DON'T want to hear it!



Teej

#2851

From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Well Jones uses a logic that is not far off this: SO 191 was wrapped

around cigars, H.K. Douglas was a staff oficer, H.K. Douglas smoked

cigars, therefore H.K. Douglas lost SO 191.  OKay...



>>> richard@... 4/3/2006 10:21:37 PM >>>

How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER than

speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with his

cigars.





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> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.  He

> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people do

that

> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was not

so

> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

> foibles....?"

> Tom

>

> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

>

>

> Tom,

>

>

> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

> Sigh.

>

>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

of

> Wilbur

> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

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From: <richard@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Not so fast there, Sherlock.  A fellow known as Pete smoked cigars too, and

he was itching to administer a good old fashioned honking dose of "I told

you so."  Yup.  Longstreet gave 191 to Mac.



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> Well Jones uses a logic that is not far off this: SO 191 was wrapped

> around cigars, H.K. Douglas was a staff oficer, H.K. Douglas smoked

> cigars, therefore H.K. Douglas lost SO 191.  OKay...

>

> >>> richard@... 4/3/2006 10:21:37 PM >>>

> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER than

> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with his

> cigars.

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

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>

> > It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.  He

> > obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people do

> that

> > for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was not

> so

> > good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

> > foibles....?"

> > Tom

> >

> > >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

> >

> >

> > Tom,

> >

> >

> > > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

> > Sigh.

> >

> >     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

> of

> > Wilbur

> > Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

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#2859

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Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 2:40 pm
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Does CSA ever stand for Confederate States Army?



Col. John B. Gordon

Confederate States of America



Col. John B. Gordon

Confederate States Army



Col. John B. Gordon

Confederate States



Are any of these more/less appropriate? Other suggestions? Thanks.



Stephen

#2860

From: "Jeff Beckner \(PWC Magazine\)" <jbeckner@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 5:21 pm
Subject: RE: Antietam, the Lost Order

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You find time travel implausible?



Shoot. Out goes that theory.



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Harry;



I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be entirely

a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which is so over the

top it is totally implausible)!!



LOLMAO!!!



Yr. Obt. Svt.

G E "Gerry" Mayers



"....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

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> IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

>

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> Harry

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> LOL.

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> Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to his

> book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

> lieutenant

> dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up

> and

> returning it to the officer.

>

> Yr. Obt. Svt.

> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>

> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

> the

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> same

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>> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER

>> than

>> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with

>> his

>> cigars.

>>

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

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>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>>

>>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.

>>> He

>>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people

>>> do

>>> that

>>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was

>>> not so

>>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>>> foibles....?"

>>> Tom

>>>

>>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Tom,

>>>

>>>

>>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

>>> Sigh.

>>>

>>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

>>> of

>>> Wilbur

>>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

>>>

>>> Teej

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From: "Jeff Beckner \(PWC Magazine\)" <jbeckner@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 5:24 pm
Subject: RE: Antietam, the Lost Order

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As I think I mentioned awhile back (in the other group, maybe), I'm

rereading some Catton....and he posits a great what-if...if Col. Lee had

been in command instead of Twiggs (which could actually have happened)

when Texas seceded.



The incredibly moral man would have told TX to go **** itself.



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Actually "Guns of the South" wasn't really over the top for what it was.

It wasn't a book about the Civil War.  It was a book about what might

happen if any incredibly moral man faced an incredibly difficult moral

dilemma.  In short -- it was a book about  --



HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.



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> Harry;

>

> I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

> entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which is

> so over the top it is totally implausible)!!

>

> LOLMAO!!!

>

> Yr. Obt. Svt.

> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>

> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

> 1788

>

> ----- Original Message -----

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> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM

> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

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> > IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

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> > LOL.

> >

> > Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to his

> > book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

> > lieutenant

> > dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up

> > and

> > returning it to the officer.

> >

> > Yr. Obt. Svt.

> > G E "Gerry" Mayers

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> >> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER

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> >> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with

> >> his

> >> cigars.

> >>

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> >>> He

> >>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people

> >>> do

> >>> that

> >>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was

> >>> not so

> >>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

> >>> foibles....?"

> >>> Tom

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> >>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

> >>> Sigh.

> >>>

> >>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

> >>> of

> >>> Wilbur

> >>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

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From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Dear Jeff;



Now THAT is one H*** of a scenario!



Yr. Obt. Svt.

G E "Gerry" Mayers



"....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

1788



----- Original Message -----

From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>

To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:24 PM

Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order





> As I think I mentioned awhile back (in the other group, maybe), I'm

> rereading some Catton....and he posits a great what-if...if Col. Lee

> had

> been in command instead of Twiggs (which could actually have

> happened)

> when Texas seceded.

>

> The incredibly moral man would have told TX to go **** itself.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of richard@...

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 PM

> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

> Actually "Guns of the South" wasn't really over the top for what it

> was.

> It wasn't a book about the Civil War.  It was a book about what

> might

> happen if any incredibly moral man faced an incredibly difficult

> moral

> dilemma.  In short -- it was a book about  --

>

> HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

> Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:31 PM

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

>

>> Harry;

>>

>> I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

>> entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which

>> is

>> so over the top it is totally implausible)!!

>>

>> LOLMAO!!!

>>

>> Yr. Obt. Svt.

>> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>>

>> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

>> the

>> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

>> same

>> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

>> 1788

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>

>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM

>> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>>

>> > IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Harry

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -----Original Message-----

>> > From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> > [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On

>> > Behalf Of G E Mayers

>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:23 PM

>> > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > LOL.

>> >

>> > Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to

>> > his

>> > book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

>> > lieutenant

>> > dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up

>> > and

>> > returning it to the officer.

>> >

>> > Yr. Obt. Svt.

>> > G E "Gerry" Mayers

>> >

>> > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived

>> > from

>> > the

>> > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

>> > same

>> > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>> > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26

>> > June

>> > 1788

>> >

>> > ----- Original Message -----

>> > From: <richard@...>

>> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:21 PM

>> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> >

>> >

>> >> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything

>> >> OTHER

>> >> than

>> >> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen

>> >> with

>> >> his

>> >> cigars.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>> >> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

>> >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

>> >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was

>> >>> good.

>> >>> He

>> >>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of

>> >>> people

>> >>> do

>> >>> that

>> >>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order

>> >>> was

>> >>> not so

>> >>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>> >>> foibles....?"

>> >>> Tom

>> >>>

>> >>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> Tom,

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read

>> >>> > it.

>> >>> Sigh.

>> >>>

>> >>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you

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>> >>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

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#2863

From: "Jeff Beckner \(PWC Magazine\)" <jbeckner@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 7:16 pm
Subject: RE: Antietam, the Lost Order

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The war might have started in TX, not SC...with Marse Rob playing the

role of Major Anderson.



There's an alternate universe for you.



-----Original Message-----

From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of G E Mayers

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:12 PM

To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order



Dear Jeff;



Now THAT is one H*** of a scenario!



Yr. Obt. Svt.

G E "Gerry" Mayers



"....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

1788



----- Original Message -----

From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>

To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:24 PM

Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order





> As I think I mentioned awhile back (in the other group, maybe), I'm

> rereading some Catton....and he posits a great what-if...if Col. Lee

> had

> been in command instead of Twiggs (which could actually have

> happened)

> when Texas seceded.

>

> The incredibly moral man would have told TX to go **** itself.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of richard@...

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 PM

> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

> Actually "Guns of the South" wasn't really over the top for what it

> was.

> It wasn't a book about the Civil War.  It was a book about what

> might

> happen if any incredibly moral man faced an incredibly difficult

> moral

> dilemma.  In short -- it was a book about  --

>

> HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

> Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:31 PM

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

>

>> Harry;

>>

>> I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

>> entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which

>> is

>> so over the top it is totally implausible)!!

>>

>> LOLMAO!!!

>>

>> Yr. Obt. Svt.

>> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>>

>> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

>> the

>> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

>> same

>> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

>> 1788

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>

>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM

>> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>>

>> > IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Harry

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -----Original Message-----

>> > From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> > [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On

>> > Behalf Of G E Mayers

>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:23 PM

>> > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > LOL.

>> >

>> > Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to

>> > his

>> > book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

>> > lieutenant

>> > dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up

>> > and

>> > returning it to the officer.

>> >

>> > Yr. Obt. Svt.

>> > G E "Gerry" Mayers

>> >

>> > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived

>> > from

>> > the

>> > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

>> > same

>> > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>> > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26

>> > June

>> > 1788

>> >

>> > ----- Original Message -----

>> > From: <richard@...>

>> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:21 PM

>> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> >

>> >

>> >> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything

>> >> OTHER

>> >> than

>> >> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen

>> >> with

>> >> his

>> >> cigars.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>> >> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

>> >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

>> >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was

>> >>> good.

>> >>> He

>> >>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of

>> >>> people

>> >>> do

>> >>> that

>> >>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order

>> >>> was

>> >>> not so

>> >>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>> >>> foibles....?"

>> >>> Tom

>> >>>

>> >>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> Tom,

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read

>> >>> > it.

>> >>> Sigh.

>> >>>

>> >>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you

>> >>> think

>> >>> of

>> >>> Wilbur

>> >>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

>> >>>

>> >>> Teej

>> >>> >

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

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From: <richard@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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And I consider mysef an incredibly moral man.  Is there any way we can just

go ahead and give Texas back to Mexico -- rather than let them just take it

back by assimilation?

----- Original Message -----

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To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:24 PM

Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order





> As I think I mentioned awhile back (in the other group, maybe), I'm

> rereading some Catton....and he posits a great what-if...if Col. Lee had

> been in command instead of Twiggs (which could actually have happened)

> when Texas seceded.

>

> The incredibly moral man would have told TX to go **** itself.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of richard@...

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 PM

> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

> Actually "Guns of the South" wasn't really over the top for what it was.

> It wasn't a book about the Civil War.  It was a book about what might

> happen if any incredibly moral man faced an incredibly difficult moral

> dilemma.  In short -- it was a book about  --

>

> HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

> Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:31 PM

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

>

> > Harry;

> >

> > I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

> > entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which is

> > so over the top it is totally implausible)!!

> >

> > LOLMAO!!!

> >

> > Yr. Obt. Svt.

> > G E "Gerry" Mayers

> >

> > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

> > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

> > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

> > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

> > 1788

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>

> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM

> > Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

> >

> >

> > > IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Harry

> > >

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> > >

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> > > Behalf Of G E Mayers

> > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:23 PM

> > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > LOL.

> > >

> > > Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to his

> > > book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

> > > lieutenant

> > > dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it up

> > > and

> > > returning it to the officer.

> > >

> > > Yr. Obt. Svt.

> > > G E "Gerry" Mayers

> > >

> > > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

> > > the

> > > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

> > > same

> > > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

> > > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

> > > 1788

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: <richard@...>

> > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:21 PM

> > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

> > >

> > >

> > >> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything OTHER

> > >> than

> > >> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen with

> > >> his

> > >> cigars.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> ----- Original Message -----

> > >> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

> > >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> > >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

> > >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was good.

> > >>> He

> > >>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of people

> > >>> do

> > >>> that

> > >>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order was

> > >>> not so

> > >>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

> > >>> foibles....?"

> > >>> Tom

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> > >>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

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> > >>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read it.

> > >>> Sigh.

> > >>>

> > >>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you think

> > >>> of

> > >>> Wilbur

> > >>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

> > >>>

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#2865

From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Yes, very interesting..... but do not forget, Texas was pretty much a

far stretch for the deep southern states who pulled out......



Speaking of Twiggs, was he ever tried on treason charges? I know he

did not last long in the CSA military.



Yr. Obt. Svt.

G E "Gerry" Mayers



"....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

1788



----- Original Message -----

From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>

To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order





> The war might have started in TX, not SC...with Marse Rob playing

> the

> role of Major Anderson.

>

> There's an alternate universe for you.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of G E Mayers

> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:12 PM

> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

> Dear Jeff;

>

> Now THAT is one H*** of a scenario!

>

> Yr. Obt. Svt.

> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>

> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

> the

> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

> same

> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

> 1788

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:24 PM

> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

>

>> As I think I mentioned awhile back (in the other group, maybe), I'm

>> rereading some Catton....and he posits a great what-if...if Col.

>> Lee

>> had

>> been in command instead of Twiggs (which could actually have

>> happened)

>> when Texas seceded.

>>

>> The incredibly moral man would have told TX to go **** itself.

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

>> On Behalf Of richard@...

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 PM

>> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>> Actually "Guns of the South" wasn't really over the top for what it

>> was.

>> It wasn't a book about the Civil War.  It was a book about what

>> might

>> happen if any incredibly moral man faced an incredibly difficult

>> moral

>> dilemma.  In short -- it was a book about  --

>>

>> HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

>> Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>

>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:31 PM

>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>>

>>> Harry;

>>>

>>> I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

>>> entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which

>>> is

>>> so over the top it is totally implausible)!!

>>>

>>> LOLMAO!!!

>>>

>>> Yr. Obt. Svt.

>>> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>>>

>>> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

>>> the

>>> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

>>> same

>>> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>>> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26

>>> June

>>> 1788

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>

>>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM

>>> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>>

>>>

>>> > IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > Harry

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > -----Original Message-----

>>> > From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>>> > [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On

>>> > Behalf Of G E Mayers

>>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:23 PM

>>> > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>>> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > LOL.

>>> >

>>> > Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to

>>> > his

>>> > book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

>>> > lieutenant

>>> > dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it

>>> > up

>>> > and

>>> > returning it to the officer.

>>> >

>>> > Yr. Obt. Svt.

>>> > G E "Gerry" Mayers

>>> >

>>> > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived

>>> > from

>>> > the

>>> > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever

>>> > the

>>> > same

>>> > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>>> > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26

>>> > June

>>> > 1788

>>> >

>>> > ----- Original Message -----

>>> > From: <richard@...>

>>> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:21 PM

>>> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything

>>> >> OTHER

>>> >> than

>>> >> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen

>>> >> with

>>> >> his

>>> >> cigars.

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>>> >> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

>>> >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

>>> >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was

>>> >>> good.

>>> >>> He

>>> >>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of

>>> >>> people

>>> >>> do

>>> >>> that

>>> >>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order

>>> >>> was

>>> >>> not so

>>> >>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>>> >>> foibles....?"

>>> >>> Tom

>>> >>>

>>> >>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>> Tom,

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read

>>> >>> > it.

>>> >>> Sigh.

>>> >>>

>>> >>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you

>>> >>> think

>>> >>> of

>>> >>> Wilbur

>>> >>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

>>> >>>

>>> >>> Teej

>>> >>> >

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

>>> >>>

>>> >>>  Visit your group "TalkAntietam" on the web.

>>> >>>    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

>>> >>>  TalkAntietam-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

>>> >>>    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

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#2866

From: "Jeff Beckner \(PWC Magazine\)" <jbeckner@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 7:23 pm
Subject: RE: Antietam, the Lost Order

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He was cashiered, causing him to write Buchanan a nasty letter, saying

he was coming up to Lancaster to receive his due degree of satisfaction.





-----Original Message-----

From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

On Behalf Of G E Mayers

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:21 PM

To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order



Yes, very interesting..... but do not forget, Texas was pretty much a

far stretch for the deep southern states who pulled out......



Speaking of Twiggs, was he ever tried on treason charges? I know he did

not last long in the CSA military.



Yr. Obt. Svt.

G E "Gerry" Mayers



"....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

1788



----- Original Message -----

From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>

To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:16 PM

Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order





> The war might have started in TX, not SC...with Marse Rob playing

> the

> role of Major Anderson.

>

> There's an alternate universe for you.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of G E Mayers

> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:12 PM

> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

> Dear Jeff;

>

> Now THAT is one H*** of a scenario!

>

> Yr. Obt. Svt.

> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>

> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

> the

> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

> same

> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

> 1788

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:24 PM

> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

>

>> As I think I mentioned awhile back (in the other group, maybe), I'm

>> rereading some Catton....and he posits a great what-if...if Col.

>> Lee

>> had

>> been in command instead of Twiggs (which could actually have

>> happened)

>> when Texas seceded.

>>

>> The incredibly moral man would have told TX to go **** itself.

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

>> On Behalf Of richard@...

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 PM

>> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>> Actually "Guns of the South" wasn't really over the top for what it

>> was.

>> It wasn't a book about the Civil War.  It was a book about what

>> might

>> happen if any incredibly moral man faced an incredibly difficult

>> moral

>> dilemma.  In short -- it was a book about  --

>>

>> HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

>> Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>

>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:31 PM

>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>>

>>> Harry;

>>>

>>> I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

>>> entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South" (which

>>> is

>>> so over the top it is totally implausible)!!

>>>

>>> LOLMAO!!!

>>>

>>> Yr. Obt. Svt.

>>> G E "Gerry" Mayers

>>>

>>> "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from

>>> the

>>> people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

>>> same

>>> shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>>> Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26

>>> June

>>> 1788

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>

>>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM

>>> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>>

>>>

>>> > IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > Harry

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > -----Original Message-----

>>> > From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>>> > [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On

>>> > Behalf Of G E Mayers

>>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:23 PM

>>> > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>>> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > LOL.

>>> >

>>> > Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to

>>> > his

>>> > book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

>>> > lieutenant

>>> > dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it

>>> > up

>>> > and

>>> > returning it to the officer.

>>> >

>>> > Yr. Obt. Svt.

>>> > G E "Gerry" Mayers

>>> >

>>> > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived

>>> > from

>>> > the

>>> > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever

>>> > the

>>> > same

>>> > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>>> > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26

>>> > June

>>> > 1788

>>> >

>>> > ----- Original Message -----

>>> > From: <richard@...>

>>> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:21 PM

>>> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything

>>> >> OTHER

>>> >> than

>>> >> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen

>>> >> with

>>> >> his

>>> >> cigars.

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>>> >> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

>>> >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

>>> >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was

>>> >>> good.

>>> >>> He

>>> >>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of

>>> >>> people

>>> >>> do

>>> >>> that

>>> >>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order

>>> >>> was

>>> >>> not so

>>> >>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>>> >>> foibles....?"

>>> >>> Tom

>>> >>>

>>> >>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>> Tom,

>>> >>>

>>> >>>

>>> >>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to read

>>> >>> > it.

>>> >>> Sigh.

>>> >>>

>>> >>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you

>>> >>> think

>>> >>> of

>>> >>> Wilbur

>>> >>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

>>> >>>

>>> >>> Teej

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From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: Antietam, the Lost Order

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Not without a fight from all the Texans!!!!!!!!!



Yr. Obt. Svt.

G E "Gerry" Mayers



"....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the

people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same

shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June

1788



----- Original Message -----

From: <richard@...>

To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order





> And I consider mysef an incredibly moral man.  Is there any way we

> can just

> go ahead and give Texas back to Mexico -- rather than let them just

> take it

> back by assimilation?

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>

> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:24 PM

> Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>

>

>> As I think I mentioned awhile back (in the other group, maybe), I'm

>> rereading some Catton....and he posits a great what-if...if Col.

>> Lee had

>> been in command instead of Twiggs (which could actually have

>> happened)

>> when Texas seceded.

>>

>> The incredibly moral man would have told TX to go **** itself.

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]

>> On Behalf Of richard@...

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 PM

>> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>> Actually "Guns of the South" wasn't really over the top for what it

>> was.

>> It wasn't a book about the Civil War.  It was a book about what

>> might

>> happen if any incredibly moral man faced an incredibly difficult

>> moral

>> dilemma.  In short -- it was a book about  --

>>

>> HUMAN FOIBLES!!!!!  :-)

>> Now "Traveler" was over the top!  Talking horses indeed.

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>

>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:31 PM

>> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>>

>>

>> > Harry;

>> >

>> > I think you are confusing "How Few Remain" (which I found to be

>> > entirely a possible plausible) with "The Guns of the South"

>> > (which is

>> > so over the top it is totally implausible)!!

>> >

>> > LOLMAO!!!

>> >

>> > Yr. Obt. Svt.

>> > G E "Gerry" Mayers

>> >

>> > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived

>> > from the

>> > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the

>> > same

>> > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>> > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26

>> > June

>> > 1788

>> >

>> > ----- Original Message -----

>> > From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>

>> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:29 PM

>> > Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> >

>> >

>> > > IIRC, the order was wrapped around three AK-47's.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Harry

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > -----Original Message-----

>> > > From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> > > [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On

>> > > Behalf Of G E Mayers

>> > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:23 PM

>> > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

>> > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > LOL.

>> > >

>> > > Interestingly enough, Harry Turtledove in the first chapter to

>> > > his

>> > > book "How Few Remain" (which is set in 1862) has a unknown

>> > > lieutenant

>> > > dropping a copy of SO191 and a soldier noticing it, picking it

>> > > up

>> > > and

>> > > returning it to the officer.

>> > >

>> > > Yr. Obt. Svt.

>> > > G E "Gerry" Mayers

>> > >

>> > > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived

>> > > from

>> > > the

>> > > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever

>> > > the

>> > > same

>> > > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."

>> > > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26

>> > > June

>> > > 1788

>> > >

>> > > ----- Original Message -----

>> > > From: <richard@...>

>> > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:21 PM

>> > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >> How could anything relevant to the loser of 191 be anything

>> > >> OTHER

>> > >> than

>> > >> speculative?  I think Colonel Mustard lost it in the kitchen

>> > >> with

>> > >> his

>> > >> cigars.

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> ----- Original Message -----

>> > >> From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>

>> > >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>

>> > >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:12 PM

>> > >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam, the Lost Order

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >>> It has been a while since I looked at it, but IIRC, it was

>> > >>> good.

>> > >>> He

>> > >>> obviously was hero-worshipping the Hoosiers, but a lot of

>> > >>> people

>> > >>> do

>> > >>> that

>> > >>> for their own heroes.  His article on Who Lost the Lost Order

>> > >>> was

>> > >>> not so

>> > >>> good, very speculative.  What's th line Harry, "full of human

>> > >>> foibles....?"

>> > >>> Tom

>> > >>>

>> > >>> >>> teej@... 4/3/2006 1:21:03 PM >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Tom,

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>> > No, but due to the title and topic I guess I'll have to

>> > >>> > read it.

>> > >>> Sigh.

>> > >>>

>> > >>>     Speaking of books that cover the Lost Order, what do you

>> > >>> think

>> > >>> of

>> > >>> Wilbur

>> > >>> Jones' "Giants in the Cornfield: the 27th Indiana Infantry?"

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Teej

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#2868

From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 9:30 pm
Subject: More than 100 dead in single fight

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I'm trying to remember where I read that the 15th Mass. in the West

Woods was one of only four regiments in the CW that suffered more than

100 dead in a single engagement. Anyone know where I might've read

that? Thanks.



Stephen

#2869

From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 10:10 pm
Subject: RE: More than 100 dead in single fight

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Stephen,







Tom will probably jump on this with the cat-like quickness that earned him

the nickname "Cat-like quick kid" in junior high, but here goes:







Fox's "Regimental Losses in the American Civil War" lists quite a few

regiments who lost in excess of 100 killed & mw in one engagement.  In fact,

there were no less than 6 heavy artillery regiments that topped that mark,

the highest being the 1st ME HA at Petersburg on June 18, 1864 (210) and

again at Spotsy on May 19, 1864 (147).  Not a good regiment to be in, so

keep that in mind if you ever find yourself sent back in time.







Among infantry regiments, 9 lost over 100 men k&mw.  The 15th MA ranks

fourth on that list with 108 at Antietam.  The reason I said Tom would jump

on this is that the 5th NY (Duryee's Zouaves) lost 117 men k&mw at Second

Manassas, where they littered the field like Texas wildflowers.







Harry







-----Original Message-----

From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Stephen Recker

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:30 PM

To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [TalkAntietam] More than 100 dead in single fight







I'm trying to remember where I read that the 15th Mass. in the West

Woods was one of only four regiments in the CW that suffered more than

100 dead in a single engagement. Anyone know where I might've read

that? Thanks.



Stephen



















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From: Stephen Recker <recker@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: More than 100 dead in single fight

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Interesting. The 15th Mass. monument lists 75 killed outright and 43

dead of wounds for a total of 118. Wonder what the discrepancy is.

Thanks for the reply.

Stephen

On Tuesday, April 4, 2006, at 06:10 PM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:

>

> Among infantry regiments, 9 lost over 100 men k&mw.  The 15th MA ranks

> fourth on that list with 108 at Antietam.  The reason I said Tom would

> jump

> on this is that the 5th NY (Duryee's Zouaves) lost 117 men k&mw at

> Second

> Manassas, where they littered the field like Texas wildflowers.

>

#2873

From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 11:29 pm
Subject: RE: More than 100 dead in single fight

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Keep in mind too that the casualty figures would include any from the Andrew

Sharpshooters, who were attached to the 15th MA.  But Fox says they are

included in his numbers as well.







Harry







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From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Stephen Recker

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:16 PM

To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] More than 100 dead in single fight







Interesting. The 15th Mass. monument lists 75 killed outright and 43

dead of wounds for a total of 118. Wonder what the discrepancy is.

Thanks for the reply.



Stephen



On Tuesday, April 4, 2006, at 06:10 PM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:



>

> Among infantry regiments, 9 lost over 100 men k&mw.  The 15th MA ranks

> fourth on that list with 108 at Antietam.  The reason I said Tom would

> jump

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Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 11:59 pm
Subject: Re: More than 100 dead in single fight

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Casuality numbers tend to fluctuate wildly from source to source

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> Interesting. The 15th Mass. monument lists 75 killed outright and 43

> dead of wounds for a total of 118. Wonder what the discrepancy is.

> Thanks for the reply.

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> > Manassas, where they littered the field like Texas wildflowers.

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#2874

From: 128thpa@...
Date: Wed Apr 5, 2006 12:32 am
Subject: More than 100 dead in single fight

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<<Casuality numbers tend to fluctuate wildly from source to source>>

Good point!  It all depends on what you are looking at and talking about.  Are

we talking about just dead, or all casualties?  Are we talking percentages or

actual numbers? Some regiments were only company strength at Antietam, such as

the 46th Pa( about 100) and the 28th NY (about 70).  50% of about 100 is 50, but

that isn�t as many people as 10% of a green regiment that were almost full

strength.  But really when it comes down to it, does it really matter?  Every

life is a sacrifice.



I had the good fortune to have a discussion about this with Brian Pohanka

several years ago.  As you know he did extensive research on the 5th NY (and was

working on his regimental when he died).



Back then he sent me the following, which I found very interesting.  And goes to

show you that no matter how much you research, it seems next to impossible to

really and know how many men were in a particular location at one time.



Paula





��As is often the case when it comes to computing actual numbers engaged in a

specific battle, the truth will likely never be known as to how many men of the

5th NY breasted the onslaught on August 30, 1862. Here are some details from my

notes:



William F. Fox, "Regimental Losses in the American Civil War", says they took

490 into the fight, as does a letter written by Rev.Dr. Gordon Winslow (July 12,

1863). The latter places the loss at 139 killed and 152 wounded, for a total of

291.



The regimental monument, erected in 1906, gives a strength of 462, of whom 124

were killed or mortally wounded, and 223 wounded, for a total of 347.



James Webb, who served as a member of the Monument Commission (Medal of Honor

for Second Manassas) thought that 462 men entered the fray, with 136 killed or

mortally wounded, 203 wounded, and 17 missing and presumed dead -- a total

of 356 [Monument Commission Proceedings & Minute Books].



Initial post battle reports indicated 28 dead, 170 wounded and 99 missing and

unaccounted for a total of 297; 77 wounded got off the field, and 82 wounded

were captured and paroled.



When attempting to come up with the inscription for the monument, the

uncertainty was reflected by the several efforts made by the Regimental

Committee to determine the numbers. Initially they thought 88 killed, 49

mortally wounded, 214 wounded (thus 117 kia/mw and 331 total). This was later

altered to 124 kia/mw, 223 wia -- total 347.



Notes in a copy of Davenport's Regimental History that I have seen (made by a

veteran of the 5th NY) say 115 were kia/mw, 4 missing and never heard from

again, 183 wia, for a total of 302. "Honors of the Empire State", a postwar

volume, gives the losses as 110 killed and 209 wounded, for a total of 319.



Although the Monument inscription states that 462 men were taken into the fight,

Col. Warren placed unit strength at 500 in his report. Alfred Davenport

(Regimental Historian) gave the total as 580, as did the 1899 "Honors of the

Empire State". Corporal Thomas Maher wrote home that they took 600 into the

battle.



A Morning Report for August 27, 1862, gives the total as 17 officers and 594

enlisted men (total 611). But this includes noncombatants and men detailed

elsewhere. We know that medical orderlies had been assigned, and were in the

rear. There was also a detail attached to a cattle guard with Pope's Army --

the figure not certain. Also, when the regimental knapsacks were placed aboard a

transport to be sent north, a detail was put in charge over them. We know that 3

officers were absent on these duties, and I suspect a minimum of 50, and

possibly closer to 100 enlisted men were not present on the battle line that

bloody afternoon. So that tends to push the battle strength down

around 500 to 525 or so men.



As for the casualties, I have gone through the service and pension files of

every man who ever served in the 5th New York, as well as hospital registers,

and other documents at the National Archives, and based on all of that my

casualty figures I get the following:



85 KIA, 34 MW, 179 WIA, 25 POW unwounded, 7 MIA [all of whom later turned up]

and 2 "deserted". These latter two men were never seen nor heard from again, and

it is possible they were, in fact KIA. ��





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#2876

From: "Scott Hann" <antietamcollector@...>
Date: Sun Apr 9, 2006 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: More than 100 dead in single fight

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Hey buddy!  It might have been in Fox's Regimental Losses in the Civil

War.  Also, to the best of my knowledge, Antietam had the highest

number of surgeons killed in a single battle: four.  At Gettysburg I

think one was killed and thirteen wounded.  I don't know how many

surgeons were wounded at Antietam, but know one or two surgeons from

the 14th Connecticut had a narrow escape at the Roulette Farm.  Scott

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:

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> I'm trying to remember where I read that the 15th Mass. in the West

> Woods was one of only four regiments in the CW that suffered more

than

> 100 dead in a single engagement. Anyone know where I might've read

> that? Thanks.

>

> Stephen

>

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