From HAGERSTOWN HERALD-MAIL:

"Hiking through history uphill: Trail at Antietam to provide real-life
experience"
by The Associated Press

The final attack on the bloodiest day of the Civil War was literally an uphill
battle.  Now a trail at Antietam National Battlefield lets hikers feel the
strain that soldiers from both sides experienced marching over hilly farm fields
toward a meeting that ended with the Union failing to corner Confederate Gen.
Robert E. Lee.  "When you have an opportunity to see the 200-foot change in
elevation, when people come out here and walk, they can see the terrain stopped
the Union advance as much as the Confederate soldiers did," said Brian Baracz, a
park ranger and historian. "You don't get much of an idea from your car."

The Final Attack Trail officially opens next month during a weekend of
activities marking the 133rd anniversary of the Battle of Antietam, also known
as the Battle of Sharpsburg. More than 23,000 men were killed, wounded or
reported missing at the Western Maryland site on Sept. 17, 1862, in the
bloodiest one-day clash of the War Between the States.  The 1.7-mile trail is
the fourth at Antietam. A planned fifth trail will create a network of footpaths
across the 3,288-acre park.

The Final Attack Trail winds through a cornfield where the day's last engagement
took place, starting at about 3:40 p.m. Lee's 2,800 troops were retreating,
aiming to cross the Potomac River to safety. Union Gen. Ambrose Burnside's 8,000
soldiers were moving through the 40-acre cornfield on a course that would cut
off Lee's line of retreat. Then Confederate Gen. A.P. Hill arrived from the
south with 2,500 troops. Burnside's troops were driven back in a nearly two-hour
clash that resulted in 3,470 casualties, according to the park's Web site. There
were twice as many Union casualties as Confederate.

The next day, Federal and Confederate leaders struck an informal truce so they
could gather their wounded and dying. That evening, Lee began withdrawing his
army across the Potomac.  The fighting took place on land that remained in
private hands until three years ago, when the National Park Service acquired 136
acres of the Shade Farm. The field is dotted with monuments erected by veterans
organizations and states with soldiers who fought there.  "Most of the troops
were from New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Ohio, and we get a lot of
letters from folks in those areas wanting to see this. It's really important for
them to be able to walk in the footsteps of the soldiers," said Superintendent
John Howard.

Tom Shay


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Excellent. If it's 1.7 miles, does it start at the river?

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>From HAGERSTOWN HERALD-MAIL:

"Hiking through history uphill: Trail at Antietam to provide real-life
experience"
by The Associated Press

The final attack on the bloodiest day of the Civil War was literally an
uphill battle.  Now a trail at Antietam National Battlefield lets hikers
feel the strain that soldiers from both sides experienced marching over
hilly farm fields toward a meeting that ended with the Union failing to
corner Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.  "When you have an opportunity to
see the 200-foot change in elevation, when people come out here and
walk, they can see the terrain stopped the Union advance as much as the
Confederate soldiers did," said Brian Baracz, a park ranger and
historian. "You don't get much of an idea from your car."

The Final Attack Trail officially opens next month during a weekend of
activities marking the 133rd anniversary of the Battle of Antietam, also
known as the Battle of Sharpsburg. More than 23,000 men were killed,
wounded or reported missing at the Western Maryland site on Sept. 17,
1862, in the bloodiest one-day clash of the War Between the States.  The
1.7-mile trail is the fourth at Antietam. A planned fifth trail will
create a network of footpaths across the 3,288-acre park.

The Final Attack Trail winds through a cornfield where the day's last
engagement took place, starting at about 3:40 p.m. Lee's 2,800 troops
were retreating, aiming to cross the Potomac River to safety. Union Gen.
Ambrose Burnside's 8,000 soldiers were moving through the 40-acre
cornfield on a course that would cut off Lee's line of retreat. Then
Confederate Gen. A.P. Hill arrived from the south with 2,500 troops.
Burnside's troops were driven back in a nearly two-hour clash that
resulted in 3,470 casualties, according to the park's Web site. There
were twice as many Union casualties as Confederate.

The next day, Federal and Confederate leaders struck an informal truce
so they could gather their wounded and dying. That evening, Lee began
withdrawing his army across the Potomac.  The fighting took place on
land that remained in private hands until three years ago, when the
National Park Service acquired 136 acres of the Shade Farm. The field is
dotted with monuments erected by veterans organizations and states with
soldiers who fought there.  "Most of the troops were from New York,
Connecticut, Rhode Island and Ohio, and we get a lot of letters from
folks in those areas wanting to see this. It's really important for them
to be able to walk in the footsteps of the soldiers," said
Superintendent John Howard.

Tom Shay


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Jeff,

IIRC, it starts at the Otto Farm just up from the Burnside Bridge
overlook...........

Very respectfully,
G E "Gerry" Mayers

"As an American citizen I prize the Union very highly
and know of no personal sacrifice that I would not make
to preserve it, save that of honour."
--Robt. E. Lee, Letter to Rooney Lee, 3 December 1860

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept


> Excellent. If it's 1.7 miles, does it start at the river?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of rotbaron@...
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:47 AM
> To: talkantietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept
>
>>From HAGERSTOWN HERALD-MAIL:
>
> "Hiking through history uphill: Trail at Antietam to provide real-life
> experience"
> by The Associated Press
>
> The final attack on the bloodiest day of the Civil War was literally an
> uphill battle.  Now a trail at Antietam National Battlefield lets hikers
> feel the strain that soldiers from both sides experienced marching over
> hilly farm fields toward a meeting that ended with the Union failing to
> corner Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.  "When you have an opportunity to
> see the 200-foot change in elevation, when people come out here and
> walk, they can see the terrain stopped the Union advance as much as the
> Confederate soldiers did," said Brian Baracz, a park ranger and
> historian. "You don't get much of an idea from your car."
>
> The Final Attack Trail officially opens next month during a weekend of
> activities marking the 133rd anniversary of the Battle of Antietam, also
> known as the Battle of Sharpsburg. More than 23,000 men were killed,
> wounded or reported missing at the Western Maryland site on Sept. 17,
> 1862, in the bloodiest one-day clash of the War Between the States.  The
> 1.7-mile trail is the fourth at Antietam. A planned fifth trail will
> create a network of footpaths across the 3,288-acre park.
>
> The Final Attack Trail winds through a cornfield where the day's last
> engagement took place, starting at about 3:40 p.m. Lee's 2,800 troops
> were retreating, aiming to cross the Potomac River to safety. Union Gen.
> Ambrose Burnside's 8,000 soldiers were moving through the 40-acre
> cornfield on a course that would cut off Lee's line of retreat. Then
> Confederate Gen. A.P. Hill arrived from the south with 2,500 troops.
> Burnside's troops were driven back in a nearly two-hour clash that
> resulted in 3,470 casualties, according to the park's Web site. There
> were twice as many Union casualties as Confederate.
>
> The next day, Federal and Confederate leaders struck an informal truce
> so they could gather their wounded and dying. That evening, Lee began
> withdrawing his army across the Potomac.  The fighting took place on
> land that remained in private hands until three years ago, when the
> National Park Service acquired 136 acres of the Shade Farm. The field is
> dotted with monuments erected by veterans organizations and states with
> soldiers who fought there.  "Most of the troops were from New York,
> Connecticut, Rhode Island and Ohio, and we get a lot of letters from
> folks in those areas wanting to see this. It's really important for them
> to be able to walk in the footsteps of the soldiers," said
> Superintendent John Howard.
>
> Tom Shay
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I took a similar walk this spring, but we took the Snavely Ford trail and
came up the ravine from the ford.  I would imagine the trail will feature
the refurbished Otto Farm lane and the 40 acre cornfield.



Harry



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Behalf Of G E Mayers
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:41 AM
To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept



Jeff,

IIRC, it starts at the Otto Farm just up from the Burnside Bridge
overlook...........

Very respectfully,
G E "Gerry" Mayers

"As an American citizen I prize the Union very highly
and know of no personal sacrifice that I would not make
to preserve it, save that of honour."
--Robt. E. Lee, Letter to Rooney Lee, 3 December 1860

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept


> Excellent. If it's 1.7 miles, does it start at the river?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of rotbaron@...
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:47 AM
> To: talkantietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept
>
>>From HAGERSTOWN HERALD-MAIL:
>
> "Hiking through history uphill: Trail at Antietam to provide real-life
> experience"
> by The Associated Press
>
> The final attack on the bloodiest day of the Civil War was literally an
> uphill battle.  Now a trail at Antietam National Battlefield lets hikers
> feel the strain that soldiers from both sides experienced marching over
> hilly farm fields toward a meeting that ended with the Union failing to
> corner Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.  "When you have an opportunity to
> see the 200-foot change in elevation, when people come out here and
> walk, they can see the terrain stopped the Union advance as much as the
> Confederate soldiers did," said Brian Baracz, a park ranger and
> historian. "You don't get much of an idea from your car."
>
> The Final Attack Trail officially opens next month during a weekend of
> activities marking the 133rd anniversary of the Battle of Antietam, also
> known as the Battle of Sharpsburg. More than 23,000 men were killed,
> wounded or reported missing at the Western Maryland site on Sept. 17,
> 1862, in the bloodiest one-day clash of the War Between the States.  The
> 1.7-mile trail is the fourth at Antietam. A planned fifth trail will
> create a network of footpaths across the 3,288-acre park.
>
> The Final Attack Trail winds through a cornfield where the day's last
> engagement took place, starting at about 3:40 p.m. Lee's 2,800 troops
> were retreating, aiming to cross the Potomac River to safety. Union Gen.
> Ambrose Burnside's 8,000 soldiers were moving through the 40-acre
> cornfield on a course that would cut off Lee's line of retreat. Then
> Confederate Gen. A.P. Hill arrived from the south with 2,500 troops.
> Burnside's troops were driven back in a nearly two-hour clash that
> resulted in 3,470 casualties, according to the park's Web site. There
> were twice as many Union casualties as Confederate.
>
> The next day, Federal and Confederate leaders struck an informal truce
> so they could gather their wounded and dying. That evening, Lee began
> withdrawing his army across the Potomac.  The fighting took place on
> land that remained in private hands until three years ago, when the
> National Park Service acquired 136 acres of the Shade Farm. The field is
> dotted with monuments erected by veterans organizations and states with
> soldiers who fought there.  "Most of the troops were from New York,
> Connecticut, Rhode Island and Ohio, and we get a lot of letters from
> folks in those areas wanting to see this. It's really important for them
> to be able to walk in the footsteps of the soldiers," said
> Superintendent John Howard.
>
> Tom Shay
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Thanks. No substitute for walking the actual ground; as much of it as
possible.

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On Behalf Of G E Mayers
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To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
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Jeff,

IIRC, it starts at the Otto Farm just up from the Burnside Bridge
overlook...........

Very respectfully,
G E "Gerry" Mayers

"As an American citizen I prize the Union very highly
and know of no personal sacrifice that I would not make
to preserve it, save that of honour."
--Robt. E. Lee, Letter to Rooney Lee, 3 December 1860

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)" <jbeckner@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept


> Excellent. If it's 1.7 miles, does it start at the river?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of rotbaron@...
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:47 AM
> To: talkantietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept
>
>>From HAGERSTOWN HERALD-MAIL:
>
> "Hiking through history uphill: Trail at Antietam to provide real-life
> experience"
> by The Associated Press
>
> The final attack on the bloodiest day of the Civil War was literally
an
> uphill battle.  Now a trail at Antietam National Battlefield lets
hikers
> feel the strain that soldiers from both sides experienced marching
over
> hilly farm fields toward a meeting that ended with the Union failing
to
> corner Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.  "When you have an opportunity
to
> see the 200-foot change in elevation, when people come out here and
> walk, they can see the terrain stopped the Union advance as much as
the
> Confederate soldiers did," said Brian Baracz, a park ranger and
> historian. "You don't get much of an idea from your car."
>
> The Final Attack Trail officially opens next month during a weekend of
> activities marking the 133rd anniversary of the Battle of Antietam,
also
> known as the Battle of Sharpsburg. More than 23,000 men were killed,
> wounded or reported missing at the Western Maryland site on Sept. 17,
> 1862, in the bloodiest one-day clash of the War Between the States.
The
> 1.7-mile trail is the fourth at Antietam. A planned fifth trail will
> create a network of footpaths across the 3,288-acre park.
>
> The Final Attack Trail winds through a cornfield where the day's last
> engagement took place, starting at about 3:40 p.m. Lee's 2,800 troops
> were retreating, aiming to cross the Potomac River to safety. Union
Gen.
> Ambrose Burnside's 8,000 soldiers were moving through the 40-acre
> cornfield on a course that would cut off Lee's line of retreat. Then
> Confederate Gen. A.P. Hill arrived from the south with 2,500 troops.
> Burnside's troops were driven back in a nearly two-hour clash that
> resulted in 3,470 casualties, according to the park's Web site. There
> were twice as many Union casualties as Confederate.
>
> The next day, Federal and Confederate leaders struck an informal truce
> so they could gather their wounded and dying. That evening, Lee began
> withdrawing his army across the Potomac.  The fighting took place on
> land that remained in private hands until three years ago, when the
> National Park Service acquired 136 acres of the Shade Farm. The field
is
> dotted with monuments erected by veterans organizations and states
with
> soldiers who fought there.  "Most of the troops were from New York,
> Connecticut, Rhode Island and Ohio, and we get a lot of letters from
> folks in those areas wanting to see this. It's really important for
them
> to be able to walk in the footsteps of the soldiers," said
> Superintendent John Howard.
>
> Tom Shay
>
>
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I had the pleasure of walking the new tour recently with one of the
rangers. It starts at the Burnside Bridge parking lot and heads due
West in a bit of a zig-zag towards the 11th Ohio monument. From there
it heads toward the 16th CT and then in a big loop back towards the
12th Ohio, north on the Otto Lane about 50 yards and then East though
the fields back to the parking lot.

It doesn't go down to the trail to follow the advance of Rodman - the
route I believe Harry is referring to. That was a really fun walk. We
had to push our way through the bushes. It was exciting being on such
virgin ground. Last time I was down there, though, I believe I saw that
Rodman's path has been carved out through the woods. Those NPS folks
are very busy down there. Many kudos.

Stephen



On Tuesday, August 30, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Jeff Beckner ((PWC Magazine))
wrote:

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> Excellent. If it's 1.7 miles, does it start at the river?

I have found Rufus Dawes to be one of the best narratives about the
fight for the Iron Brigade.

What is the best narrative for the Irish Brigade at the Sunken Road?
Thanks.

Stephen Recker

My favorite is the book MY SONS WERE FAITHFUL AND THEY FOUGHT by Joseph Bilby
and Steve O'Neill. Admitttedly the maps noting extent of Meagher's left flank
have been argued herein and elsewhere.   But it's provides some nice personal
accounts and is full of details.

Of course, the Carman Manuscript has a great narrative also.

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Sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:28:25 -0400
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Best Irish Brigade narrative


I have found Rufus Dawes to be one of the best narratives about the
fight for the Iron Brigade.

What is the best narrative for the Irish Brigade at the Sunken Road?
Thanks.

Stephen Recker






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Steve,



That was a fun walk.  By the way, I've just about finished labeling the
images I took on that trip (it's only been 5 months), and I'll send you and
Tom disks.



That tree where the wall AP Hill's men crossed over - is that a hackle berry
tree?



Harry



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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:56 AM
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It doesn't go down to the trail to follow the advance of Rodman - the
route I believe Harry is referring to. That was a really fun walk. We
had to push our way through the bushes. It was exciting being on such
virgin ground. Last time I was down there, though, I believe I saw that
Rodman's path has been carved out through the woods. Those NPS folks
are very busy down there. Many kudos.

Stephen



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Harry,

Could you send me disks also? Contact me privately by email if you
can........

Very respectfully,
G E "Gerry" Mayers

"As an American citizen I prize the Union very highly
and know of no personal sacrifice that I would not make
to preserve it, save that of honour."
--Robt. E. Lee, Letter to Rooney Lee, 3 December 1860

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From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept


> Steve,
>
>
>
> That was a fun walk.  By the way, I've just about finished labeling the
> images I took on that trip (it's only been 5 months), and I'll send you
> and
> Tom disks.
>
>
>
> That tree where the wall AP Hill's men crossed over - is that a hackle
> berry
> tree?
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>
> Harry
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> Behalf Of Stephen Recker
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:56 AM
> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Final Attack Trail officially opens in Sept
>
>
>
>
> It doesn't go down to the trail to follow the advance of Rodman - the
> route I believe Harry is referring to. That was a really fun walk. We
> had to push our way through the bushes. It was exciting being on such
> virgin ground. Last time I was down there, though, I believe I saw that
> Rodman's path has been carved out through the woods. Those NPS folks
> are very busy down there. Many kudos.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Jeff Beckner ((PWC Magazine))
> wrote:
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Hackberry.  A term unfamiliar to me until th NPS natural resources folks
introduced it to me.


Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
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Thanks, Tom.  I'm one step closer to getting those pictures labeled.



Harry



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Hackberry.  A term unfamiliar to me until th NPS natural resources folks
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Professor of History
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On Tuesday, August 30, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Harry Smeltzer wrote:

> That was a fun walk.  By the way, I've just about finished labeling the
> images I took on that trip (it's only been 5 months), and I'll send
> you and
> Tom disks.
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Thanks. I appreciate that. It was a great walk.

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I defer to Prof. Clemens.

Stephen

A couple of new items posted on Antietam NPS website:

September 16, 7pm "The Army of the Potomac at Antietam and Beyond" - speaker
Jeffry Wert is the author of the new book The Sword of Lincoln: The Army of
the Potomac. Book signing to follow program.

September 17, 10am - 12pm book signing at museum store with Jeffry Wert and
his new book The Sword of Lincoln.

Faith Under Fire Tour: September 17, 2pm meet at the Dunker Church for
special tour. This tour led by the staff historian and park rangers will visit
several local houses of worship that played a role in the Battle of Antietam.

September 18, 11am - 2pm book signing at museum store with Halli Casser
-Jayne and her new book, Still Life Images of Antietam

Full details are at: http://www.nps.gov/anti/pphtml/events.html

Tom Shay


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From today's HAGERSTOWN HERALD-MAIL:

Sharpsburg's Battlefield Advisory Committee reported Monday:

The History Channel completed filming a segment on Antietam. The program, called
"Ten Days that Changed America," will be shown later this year or early 2006 and
includes a portion on Antietam.  The committee also met with representatives
from the Federal Highway Administration to review drawings of a proposed
repaving project for Antietam.

The Maryland Monument Project is nearly complete, and is on time and within
budget.

National Park Service staff members are being dispatched to the Gulf Coast to
assist Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts. One Antietam staff member and two
Monocacy staff members have been assigned.

Access to Burnside Bridge will be limited from Sept. 26 to 30 for construction.

Tom Shay


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Tom--

Any more details on the History Channel show?

Richard
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> >From today's HAGERSTOWN HERALD-MAIL:
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> The History Channel completed filming a segment on Antietam. The program,
called "Ten Days that Changed America," will be shown later this year or
early 2006 and includes a portion on Antietam.  The committee also met with
representatives from the Federal Highway Administration to review drawings
of a proposed repaving project for Antietam.
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within budget.
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to assist Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts. One Antietam staff member and
two Monocacy staff members have been assigned.
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construction.
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Nothing that I can add.  I saw them filming some, but was not involved.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


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Sharpsburg Heritage Day schedule

Saturday, September 17, 2005 9:00 am ? 4:30 PM

All Day:
Information Table at Square
Town History Display at Town Hall
Demonstrations, Crafts and Food, Mechanic St.

9:00 am - 2nd Maryland Fife and Drum Concert at Music Tent

9 ? 11 am - Churches and Stone Houses of Sharpsburg Walking Tour - self guided

Lecture and recital every half hour at Christ Reformed UCC Church

10:30 am Lecture at Town Hall ? Ted Alexander on "Destruction, Disease and
Death: The Battle of Antietam and the Sharpsburg Civilians."

Wildcat Regiment Band Concert at Music Tent

12:00 noon Battle of the Bands on Mechanic Street

1:00 pm Lecture at Town hall ? George Anikis on "John Morton Jordon ? Colonial
Maryland's Forgotten Rogue, the Man Responsible for Horatio Sharpe's Ouster as
Governor."

1:30 pm ? 3:30 pm Churches and Stone House Walking Tours resume

Lecture and recital every half hour at Christ Reformed UCC Church

1:30 pm 2nd Maryland Fife and Drum Concert at Tent

2:30 pm Lecture at Christ Reformed UCC Church ? Dr. Wes Hanson on "Rare and
Unusual Civil War Music."

3:30 pm Wildcat Regiment Band Concert at Music Tent

5 pm ? 7 pm Traditional Full-course Chinese Dinner at St. Paul's Episcopal
Church. Tickets $7 in advance, $8 at the door, kids 12 and under $4, call Cindy
Weaver 301-432-5463. Proceeds benefit the Heifer Project.

7:30 pm Jimmy Brown's "Dancing with the Deacon" Concert of Appalachian and
Celtic Music, St. Paul's Episcopal Church

Food provided by the Sharpsburg Lions Club, Christ Reformed UCC Church,
Sharpsburg Church of the Brethren

Tom Shay - Cressona, PA


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They have a guy (I had his web site at one point in my life but have long
since lost it) who takes stills with an authentic Gardenresque CW era
camera.  They were going to use it for "background" on the show.  The
producer won a Peabody for a doc he did on the McCarthy era.  All ten of
these shows are produced by "award-winning" producer-directors. I'm thrilled
that they selected Antietam over Gettysburg. When speaking to groups I tell
them that Antietam belongs on the same list with Bunker Hill, Gettysburg and
D-Day, and if that list can only have three names on it -- take Gettysburg
off and put Antietam on.  The History Channel (at least this time)
apparently has done just that.

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> Nothing that I can add.  I saw them filming some, but was not involved.
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Richard,

Would the photographer be Rob Gibson?

Very respectfully,
G E "Gerry" Mayers

"As an American citizen I prize the Union very highly
and know of no personal sacrifice that I would not make
to preserve it, save that of honour."
--Robt. E. Lee, Letter to Rooney Lee, 3 December 1860

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> They have a guy (I had his web site at one point in my life but have long
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Gerry:

Rob's the guy I am thinking of also.  Rob used to come to the Pennypacker Mills
CW event until his business just took off.  He really knows his stuff.

Paula

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Paul;

Indeed! Rob and the crew that work under him certainly know their stuff.
BTW, so does Kevin Rawlins.............

Very respectfully,
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and know of no personal sacrifice that I would not make
to preserve it, save that of honour."
--Robt. E. Lee, Letter to Rooney Lee, 3 December 1860

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The work is very similar, but Gibson's web site is different.  I think this
may be a different guy.


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> Richard,
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> Would the photographer be Rob Gibson?
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> Very respectfully,
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
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> "As an American citizen I prize the Union very highly
> and know of no personal sacrifice that I would not make
> to preserve it, save that of honour."
> --Robt. E. Lee, Letter to Rooney Lee, 3 December 1860
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Dear Tom (Shay) and Tom C.

Gents:

Did any of you learn anything new about the fighting at the Sunken Road
during the Anniversary Weekend this past weekend?

Also, Tom C., do you have the portions of the Carman Manuscript dealing with
the Sunken Road fight annotated or not, and could I have a copy (private
email is ok!).

Very respectfully,
G E "Gerry" Mayers

"As an American citizen I prize the Union very highly
and know of no personal sacrifice that I would not make
to preserve it, save that of honour."
--Robt. E. Lee, Letter to Rooney Lee, 3 December 1860

Here's a brief summary of my Saturday trip to Antietam.

I arrived on that September 17 before 6 AM while fields were still covered in
darkeness.  I parked at The Cornfield and walked along the Pike up to the North
Woods for the 7 AM hike. As I passed the Miller Farm, glints of sunlight came
over South Mtn, aking for a grand scene.

I met up with Ranger Keith Snyder and about 30 others. A similar group (led by
Brian Baracz) was forming at Dunker Church to follow Reb movements. They later
met us at the Cornfield. We left North Woods and headed directly south thru
easten half of cornfield, which had been harvested. Saw a  fox emerge with large
rodent in its mouth amidst the fog.. As sun emerged above South Mtn, the fields
glowed in a golden light. Hike ended at the Rock Ledge west of pike,

The next hike focused on Mansfield's Attack. We began at Cornfield,  walked east
along that avenue, south to Mumma Farm, then followed Greene's attack toward VC
area.

Due to expected crowds, several hikes were scheduled conurrently. Because I
chose the Burnside Bridge hike, I could not go on the West Woods and Sunken Road
hikes.

We met at Rohrbach Campground, which I'd never seen before. Ranger Gamble led us
over ground which I'd never visited, as we hiked up and over the hill crests
from which XI Corps launched their attacks.
We arrived at the creek below the bridge then walked along creek on return to
the campground.

At lunch I visited the Sharpsburg Festival, but missed Tom C at SHAF tent, as he
was walking his dog.  Weather that day was quite hot, so I enjoyed a final drive
around the park in air-conidiitioned car, before heading home.

I did get a copy of the new park brochure for the Final Attack trail. It
certainly will serve a nice insipiration for getting people onto that
little-visited ground. Someone should advise NPS to post these brochures as PDF
files on their website (as park budget is down) and we could then print them
ourselves.




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Tom Shay,
Sorry I missed you on Saturday.  The festival was good, much smaller
than past years, but the junky stuff was cut, much to my satisfaction.
I was able to take in some ofhte stone house tour in Sharpsburg
sponsored by the Sharpsburg Historical Society.  The large stone Piper
House on the corner across from the Lutheran church was open, and
fantastic.  Still has a bullet lodged in an upstairs door.  I was not
able to get toall, but some of the gems were great.
Tom C


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On the Sharpsburg Pike tour I learned some neat things about the US
Regulars connecting the Bloody Lane Union troops with the 9th
Corps...for just a few minutes. We went to some less-visited land along
Lee's center. Very interesting.

Stephen

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What is the best source for info on the 1st Minnesota at Antietam?
Thanks.

Stephen

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> during the Anniversary Weekend this past weekend?

Each year my roundtable studies a particular campaign or battle and then
visits the area at the conclusion of the study.  Next year we are going to  do
Antietam.  I'm kinda the appointed gatherer of info, so I was wondering  if
there is a really complete bibliography on the web out there or in someone's 
own
mind?  Since we take a year we really look to dive deeper than just  Sears,
Murfin and Harsh.  Is Carman's manuscript available?  We'll  also study Harpers
Ferry and South Mountain, we might even delve a bit into  Second
Manassas-Chantilly.

Also we really like to hike (we'll probably spend 2 days tramping around
Antietam, maybe 3) but I'm aware that some of the fields at Antietam are more or
less private but that they do allow hikers when it won't damage crops.  Is
that true?  And if so what time of year would be best to hike anywhere we  feel
like it?

--Nick


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There was an article written in America's Civil War special issue on
Antietam that is a bibliography of the campaign.  I can talk to you aout
a tour if you interested.  Also the bookstore now runs tours.  There are
some places with limited access but with permission some can be walked.
Tom C.

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College


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