Curt,

Thanks for the interesting post on the "Samaritan."  Its the first time I
heard the story.

David Lutton
Hollidaysburg Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Johnson" <ccj@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Antietam Samaritan


> Today's Civil War Page of the Washington Times contains an interesting
article on the heretofore unknown citizen who brought food to Graham's
Battery at the Sunken Road and carried-off his wounded--all under a heavy
fire of artillery.  See:
>
> http://www.washtimes.com/civilwar/
>
> "But what good came of it at last?"
>      Quoth little Peterkin.
> "Why that I cannot tell," said he,
>      "But `twas a famous victory."
>
>      -- Robert Southey, "The Battle of Blenheim"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

To Whom It May Concern:
My address is changed.  I am now at "antietam1862@..."
I will check on the website.

David,

I think, IIRC, Mike Priest has it in his book on the battle
as does again, IIRC, TimeLife books installment on
Antietam...and possibly the TimeLife Voices of the Civil War
Antietam volume.

Very respectfully,
Your humble and obdt. servant,
G. E. (Gerry) Mayers,
Private,
Nelson's Signal Company,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the
field on which he has nobly laid down his
."     --General Robert Edward Lee

Explore some little known facts of the War of the Rebellion!
The current feature may be found at
http://www.us-civilwar.com/picketline.html
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----- Original Message -----
From: "david lutton" <dunkerch@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam Samaritan


> Curt,
>
> Thanks for the interesting post on the "Samaritan."  Its
the first time I
> heard the story.
>
> David Lutton
> Hollidaysburg Pa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt Johnson" <ccj@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 12:11 PM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Antietam Samaritan
>
>
> > Today's Civil War Page of the Washington Times contains
an interesting
> article on the heretofore unknown citizen who brought food
to Graham's
> Battery at the Sunken Road and carried-off his
wounded--all under a heavy
> fire of artillery.  See:
> >
> > http://www.washtimes.com/civilwar/
> >
> > "But what good came of it at last?"
> >      Quoth little Peterkin.
> > "Why that I cannot tell," said he,
> >      "But `twas a famous victory."
> >
> >      -- Robert Southey, "The Battle of Blenheim"
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

David,
You're welcome.  I knew of the incident from Graham's reports, but I did not
know the details, as provided by Mr. Clem in his excellent article.  The Civil
War Page is a fine feature of the Washington Times.
Curt

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: david lutton
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:32 PM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Antietam Samaritan


   Curt,

   Thanks for the interesting post on the "Samaritan."  Its the first time I
   heard the story.

   David Lutton
   Hollidaysburg Pa



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These trips are always worth MORE than the price of admission

***  7th Annual Civil War Forum Battlefield Tour ***

FREDERICKSBURG and CHANCELLORSVILLE

      with Robert K. Krick
      March 27-30, 2003

Registration includes:
-- 2.5 days of battlefield touring with the preeminent historian and
author, R. K. Krick
-- Evening presentations by Krick, and Fredericksburg historian Frank
O'Reilly
-- An evening, candlelight tour to Guiney Station
-- 3 buffet dinners and 2 lunches
-- reference maps and handouts
    See Full Itinerary below.

There are still a handful of seats available on the bus for the March, 2003
Civil War Forum battlefield tour. We have a block of rooms set aside at the
Wingate Hotel in Fredericksburg (see reservation information below) for
Thursday-Saturday, March 27, 28, & 29 (checking out on Sunday a.m., March
30). For more info on the Civil War Forum, see the very bottom of this
message.

REGISTRATION COST:  $170
Registration will include three (3) buffet dinners (Thursday, Friday,
Saturday), all talks and presentations, a seat on the tour bus for Friday
and Saturday, Saturday night candlelight tour at Guiney Station, and two
nice lunches Friday and Saturday (including one at Bob Krick's favorite
Italian restaurant in town). Also included are maps and other reading
materials related to the tours. As a bonus, Bob Krick will meet any
interested parties on Sunday morning for a presentation at Spotsylvania's
Bloody Angle.

As in past Civil War Forum gatherings, we have secured a top-flight guide
for our battlefield tours, made arrangements for good food and
accommodations, and have lined up some outstanding dinner talks all for a
BARE BONES REGISTRATION FEE. As always, any money left over from
registration and raffles, beyond expenses, will be donated to a battlefield
preservation organization to be named by our guide.

Registration cost does not include your hotel room, or breakfasts.

Send an email to let me know of your plans to attend, then... PLEASE MAIL
YOUR REGISTRATIONS (check made out to Civil War Forum) TO:

      David Woodbury
      P.O. Box 19130
      Stanford, CA 94309

For anyone (guests, family, etc.) not attending the tours who wishes to
attend the evening banquets, meals can be added for $15 (Thursday), $20
(Friday), and $20 (Saturday) -- or $55 for all three evenings. Include this
in the registration check. We can still add people for meals up to about 2
weeks before the event.

HEADQUARTERS:
    Wingate Hotel
    20 Sanford Drive
    Fredericksburg, VA 22406
    (540) 368-8000
    (540) 368-9252 fax

You can visit the hotel website, and view the amenities at:
    www.mywingate.com
Be sure to reserve your rooms now, and be sure to mention you are attending
the Civil War Forum Conference for a room rate of $70 (plus tax).

ITINERARY: [optional Thursday afternoon outing is being arranged]

THURSDAY, March 27 -- Reunion kicks off 6:00 pm
6:00pm to 7:00pm: mingling in the conference room
(BYOB -- hotel will set up soft drinks and mixers)
7:15pm: buffet dinner
[American field greens with balsamic vinaigrette; rosemary roasted chicken
and herbed Au Jus; roasted red bliss potatoes; fresh garden vegetables;
fresh baked rolls and butter; New York style cheesecake; iced tea and
coffee]

DINNER SPEAKER 8:00pm: Frank O'Reilly (subject: Fredericksburg)
Many of you know Frank, a ranger at Fredericksburg, author of multiple
books & articles on the battle, including a brand new tactical study of
Fredericksburg from LSU Press:
"The Fredericksburg Campaign: Winter War on the Rappahannock"
http://www.lsu.edu/lsupress/catalog/fall2002/books/OReilly_Fredericksburg.h
tml
(books will be available at the Reunion for purchase and signing)

FRIDAY, March 28: leave hotel at 8:30; return at 4:30
Morning stops: Federal headquarters at Chatham; Falmouth Flats, where
Burnside did NOT cross; upper (main) pontoon crossing; city dock (middle
pontoon site); streets of town, with a half-dozen house yards or church
visits, etc.

Lunch: Renato's Restaurant in Fredericksburg (Italian) -- choose between 2
entrees

Afternoon stops: Sunken Road and Marye's Heights; Lee's Hill; Bernard's
Cabins; Prospect Hill and Hamilton's Crossing.

FRIDAY EVENING:
6:00pm to 7:00pm: mingling in the conference room
(BYOB -- hotel will set up soft drinks and mixers)
7:15pm: buffet dinner
[classic Caesar salad; fresh made lasagna with mozzerella, parmesan,
ricotta and Monterey Jack cheese; fresh market vegetables; fresh baked
rolls and butter; carrot cake with walnuts and Chantilly Cream; iced tea
and coffee]

DINNER SPEAKER, 8:00pm: Robert K. Krick (subject: Chancellorsville)

SATURDAY, March 29
Morning stops: Ely's Ford; Zoan Church; the May 1 battlefield; the last
meeting of Lee and Jackson; Catharine Furnace.

Lunch: Deli sandwiches delivered to us at the Chancellorsville Visitor
Center (choice of roast beef, turkey, ham, or veggie). Includes sandwich,
potato salad, bag of chips, brownie, and bottled water)

Afternoon stops: following Jackson's Flank March; the launching of the
Attack; Jackson's MWIA site; Hazel Grove; Chancellorsville Inn

SATURDAY EVENING --
Schedule to be announced, once we determine exactly when we'll be taking
the bus to Guiney Station. After dinner we'll ride the bus down to Guiney
Station for a candlelight tour re: Stonewall Jackson's death. Frank
O'Reilly (who is stationed there and lives across the grounds) will take
down the barriers and people can crowd right around the bed.

DINNER Saturday evening: [fresh spinach salad with mandarin oranges, walnut
and raspberry vinaigrette; roasted beef tenderloin with Au Jus; garlic
mashed potatoes; fresh green beans with red bell peppers; fresh baked rolls
and butter; double chocolate layer cake; iced tea and coffee]

SUNDAY, March 30: Bob Krick has also offered to meet a group out at the
Bloody Angle at Spotsylvania for a little presentation. Though we'll go
back one day to do Wilderness & Spotsylvania in more depth, this might be
an excellent preview, and maybe the only opportunity to do so with the
now-retired Krick.

[Please inquire about optional Thursday afternoon outing (thus far, a
number of people will be going out to see the site of the death of the
"Gallant Pelham," at Kelley's Ford, with guide Steve Meserve]

-------------------------------

The Civil War Forum on CompuServe is one of the oldest on-line discussion
groups (an on-line Civil War Round Table) in the country, and can be
accessed without cost over the internet. For over 10 years, members ranging
from casual buffs to professional historians have participated in cordial,
moderated discussions in the forum's message boards. Regular live
conferences feature authors and historians discussing their published
works.

To visit the Forum message boards and libraries, go to:
http://forums.compuserve.com/vlforums/default.asp?SRV=CivilWar

There is no cost to participate. You'll be prompted to enter as a visitor
(read only), or, for full access, to create a screen name (or to enter an
existing AOL, CiS, or IM screen name).

In 1997, forum members began gathering each March at a different
battlefield, alternating Eastern and Western Theaters. Past Forum
gatherings have included:

1997  Antietam & Harpers Ferry, with Tom Clemens and Dennis Frye
1998  Chickamauga & Chattanooga, with Jim Ogden and Nat Hughes
1999  Petersburg, with Peter Calkins, Noah Trudeau, Bill Miller, and A.
Wilson Greene
2000  Vicksburg, with Ed Bearss and Michael Ballard
2001  Gettysburg, with LBG Wayne Wachsmuth, and Jeffry Wert
2002  Shiloh, with Stacy Allen, Larry Daniel, and Wiley Sword
2003  Fredericksburg & Chancellorsville, with Bob Krick and Frank O'Reilly

For more information, contact David Woodbury, Civil War Forum
administrator, at woodbury@...




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Sorry, for sending the previous message without signing it, sometimes these
buttons have a mind of their own.  Anyway - I have been on everyone of these
trips and they are worth every penny.

Paula


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Paula,
There is one coming up at the end of April about Stonewall
at which Stephen Lang will be one of the presenters. The
announcement/ad for the seminar was in the latest issue of
Civil War Times Illustrated.

Very respectfully,
Your humble and obdt. servant,
G. E. (Gerry) Mayers,
Private,
Nelson's Signal Company,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the
field on which he has nobly laid down his
."     --General Robert Edward Lee

Explore some little known facts of the War of the Rebellion!
The current feature may be found at
http://www.us-civilwar.com/picketline.html
To see earlier articles, kindly go to:
http://www.us-civilwar.com/njrebel


----- Original Message -----
From: <Pa128th@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:42 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] (no subject)


> These trips are always worth MORE than the price of
admission
>
> ***  7th Annual Civil War Forum Battlefield Tour ***
>
> FREDERICKSBURG and CHANCELLORSVILLE
>
>      with Robert K. Krick
>      March 27-30, 2003
>
> Registration includes:
> -- 2.5 days of battlefield touring with the preeminent
historian and
> author, R. K. Krick
> -- Evening presentations by Krick, and Fredericksburg
historian Frank
> O'Reilly
> -- An evening, candlelight tour to Guiney Station
> -- 3 buffet dinners and 2 lunches
> -- reference maps and handouts
>    See Full Itinerary below.
>
> There are still a handful of seats available on the bus
for the March, 2003
> Civil War Forum battlefield tour. We have a block of rooms
set aside at the
> Wingate Hotel in Fredericksburg (see reservation
information below) for
> Thursday-Saturday, March 27, 28, & 29 (checking out on
Sunday a.m., March
> 30). For more info on the Civil War Forum, see the very
bottom of this
> message.
>
> REGISTRATION COST:  $170
> Registration will include three (3) buffet dinners
(Thursday, Friday,
> Saturday), all talks and presentations, a seat on the tour
bus for Friday
> and Saturday, Saturday night candlelight tour at Guiney
Station, and two
> nice lunches Friday and Saturday (including one at Bob
Krick's favorite
> Italian restaurant in town). Also included are maps and
other reading
> materials related to the tours. As a bonus, Bob Krick will
meet any
> interested parties on Sunday morning for a presentation at
Spotsylvania's
> Bloody Angle.
>
> As in past Civil War Forum gatherings, we have secured a
top-flight guide
> for our battlefield tours, made arrangements for good food
and
> accommodations, and have lined up some outstanding dinner
talks all for a
> BARE BONES REGISTRATION FEE. As always, any money left
over from
> registration and raffles, beyond expenses, will be donated
to a battlefield
> preservation organization to be named by our guide.
>
> Registration cost does not include your hotel room, or
breakfasts.
>
> Send an email to let me know of your plans to attend,
then... PLEASE MAIL
> YOUR REGISTRATIONS (check made out to Civil War Forum) TO:
>
>      David Woodbury
>      P.O. Box 19130
>      Stanford, CA 94309
>
> For anyone (guests, family, etc.) not attending the tours
who wishes to
> attend the evening banquets, meals can be added for $15
(Thursday), $20
> (Friday), and $20 (Saturday) -- or $55 for all three
evenings. Include this
> in the registration check. We can still add people for
meals up to about 2
> weeks before the event.
>
> HEADQUARTERS:
>    Wingate Hotel
>    20 Sanford Drive
>    Fredericksburg, VA 22406
>    (540) 368-8000
>    (540) 368-9252 fax
>
> You can visit the hotel website, and view the amenities
at:
>    www.mywingate.com
> Be sure to reserve your rooms now, and be sure to mention
you are attending
> the Civil War Forum Conference for a room rate of $70
(plus tax).
>
> ITINERARY: [optional Thursday afternoon outing is being
arranged]
>
> THURSDAY, March 27 -- Reunion kicks off 6:00 pm
> 6:00pm to 7:00pm: mingling in the conference room
> (BYOB -- hotel will set up soft drinks and mixers)
> 7:15pm: buffet dinner
> [American field greens with balsamic vinaigrette; rosemary
roasted chicken
> and herbed Au Jus; roasted red bliss potatoes; fresh
garden vegetables;
> fresh baked rolls and butter; New York style cheesecake;
iced tea and
> coffee]
>
> DINNER SPEAKER 8:00pm: Frank O'Reilly (subject:
Fredericksburg)
> Many of you know Frank, a ranger at Fredericksburg, author
of multiple
> books & articles on the battle, including a brand new
tactical study of
> Fredericksburg from LSU Press:
> "The Fredericksburg Campaign: Winter War on the
Rappahannock"
>
http://www.lsu.edu/lsupress/catalog/fall2002/books/OReilly_F
redericksburg.h
> tml
> (books will be available at the Reunion for purchase and
signing)
>
> FRIDAY, March 28: leave hotel at 8:30; return at 4:30
> Morning stops: Federal headquarters at Chatham; Falmouth
Flats, where
> Burnside did NOT cross; upper (main) pontoon crossing;
city dock (middle
> pontoon site); streets of town, with a half-dozen house
yards or church
> visits, etc.
>
> Lunch: Renato's Restaurant in Fredericksburg (Italian) --
choose between 2
> entrees
>
> Afternoon stops: Sunken Road and Marye's Heights; Lee's
Hill; Bernard's
> Cabins; Prospect Hill and Hamilton's Crossing.
>
> FRIDAY EVENING:
> 6:00pm to 7:00pm: mingling in the conference room
> (BYOB -- hotel will set up soft drinks and mixers)
> 7:15pm: buffet dinner
> [classic Caesar salad; fresh made lasagna with mozzerella,
parmesan,
> ricotta and Monterey Jack cheese; fresh market vegetables;
fresh baked
> rolls and butter; carrot cake with walnuts and Chantilly
Cream; iced tea
> and coffee]
>
> DINNER SPEAKER, 8:00pm: Robert K. Krick (subject:
Chancellorsville)
>
> SATURDAY, March 29
> Morning stops: Ely's Ford; Zoan Church; the May 1
battlefield; the last
> meeting of Lee and Jackson; Catharine Furnace.
>
> Lunch: Deli sandwiches delivered to us at the
Chancellorsville Visitor
> Center (choice of roast beef, turkey, ham, or veggie).
Includes sandwich,
> potato salad, bag of chips, brownie, and bottled water)
>
> Afternoon stops: following Jackson's Flank March; the
launching of the
> Attack; Jackson's MWIA site; Hazel Grove; Chancellorsville
Inn
>
> SATURDAY EVENING --
> Schedule to be announced, once we determine exactly when
we'll be taking
> the bus to Guiney Station. After dinner we'll ride the bus
down to Guiney
> Station for a candlelight tour re: Stonewall Jackson's
death. Frank
> O'Reilly (who is stationed there and lives across the
grounds) will take
> down the barriers and people can crowd right around the
bed.
>
> DINNER Saturday evening: [fresh spinach salad with
mandarin oranges, walnut
> and raspberry vinaigrette; roasted beef tenderloin with Au
Jus; garlic
> mashed potatoes; fresh green beans with red bell peppers;
fresh baked rolls
> and butter; double chocolate layer cake; iced tea and
coffee]
>
> SUNDAY, March 30: Bob Krick has also offered to meet a
group out at the
> Bloody Angle at Spotsylvania for a little presentation.
Though we'll go
> back one day to do Wilderness & Spotsylvania in more
depth, this might be
> an excellent preview, and maybe the only opportunity to do
so with the
> now-retired Krick.
>
> [Please inquire about optional Thursday afternoon outing
(thus far, a
> number of people will be going out to see the site of the
death of the
> "Gallant Pelham," at Kelley's Ford, with guide Steve
Meserve]
>
> -------------------------------
>
> The Civil War Forum on CompuServe is one of the oldest
on-line discussion
> groups (an on-line Civil War Round Table) in the country,
and can be
> accessed without cost over the internet. For over 10
years, members ranging
> from casual buffs to professional historians have
participated in cordial,
> moderated discussions in the forum's message boards.
Regular live
> conferences feature authors and historians discussing
their published
> works.
>
> To visit the Forum message boards and libraries, go to:
>
http://forums.compuserve.com/vlforums/default.asp?SRV=CivilW
ar
>
> There is no cost to participate. You'll be prompted to
enter as a visitor
> (read only), or, for full access, to create a screen name
(or to enter an
> existing AOL, CiS, or IM screen name).
>
> In 1997, forum members began gathering each March at a
different
> battlefield, alternating Eastern and Western Theaters.
Past Forum
> gatherings have included:
>
> 1997  Antietam & Harpers Ferry, with Tom Clemens and
Dennis Frye
> 1998  Chickamauga & Chattanooga, with Jim Ogden and Nat
Hughes
> 1999  Petersburg, with Peter Calkins, Noah Trudeau, Bill
Miller, and A.
> Wilson Greene
> 2000  Vicksburg, with Ed Bearss and Michael Ballard
> 2001  Gettysburg, with LBG Wayne Wachsmuth, and Jeffry
Wert
> 2002  Shiloh, with Stacy Allen, Larry Daniel, and Wiley
Sword
> 2003  Fredericksburg & Chancellorsville, with Bob Krick
and Frank O'Reilly
>
> For more information, contact David Woodbury, Civil War
Forum
> administrator, at woodbury@...
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Does SHAF still have a website?
I get no response from <A
HREF="http://www.shafonline.org/">http://www.shafonline.org/</A>

Tom Shay - who's dues is overdue!



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tom,

I also cannot reach the SHAF website.  I had to use Snail Mail to send my
dues/contribution this year.

David Lutton
Hollidaysburg Pa

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have received Antietam's "tentative" schedule for 2003.
It is expected to be formally approved and posted by Monday.

Meanwhile, here are the March 2003 events (they are definite) ......

March 15th & 16th (Saturday & Sunday)
Battlefield Hike:The Irish Brigade At Antietam
A Ranger led hike of the Battlefield that will discuss the attack
of the Irish Brigade on the Confederate held, Sunken Road. The
hike will begin at 1 P.M. at the Visitor Center and will conclude
at approximately 3:30 P.M. near the Sunken Road on both days.
The length of the hike is just over 2 miles.

March 23rd (Sunday)
Battlefield Hike-Nicodemus Heights & Confederate Artillery
A Ranger led hike of this rarely visited area of the field that
will focus on the Confederate Artillery during the morning
hours of the battle. The hike will begin and conclude at Tour
Stop 2, North Woods. The program will begin at 1 P.M. and
will conclude at approximately 3:30 P.M.  The length of the
hike is 3 miles.

March 29 Park Day 2003 (Saturday)
Antietam National Battlefield is calling for volunteers to
participate in Park Day, an annual hands-on preservation
event created by the Civil War Preservation Trust (CWPT).
The purpose of Park Day is to help local communities
maintain and restore their Civil War-related battlefields,
cemeteries, and shrines. Volunteers interested in donating
their time and talents at Antietam National Battlefield are
encouraged to meet at the Visitor Center at 9:00 A.M.
This year's projects will consist of planting trees in the
historic North Woods and planting apple trees in the
historic Piper Orchard.  In exchange for their hard work,
volunteers will receive t-shirts and have an opportunity to
learn about the significance of the sites. For more
information about Park Day 2003 at Antietam National
Battlefield, contact either Debbie Cohen or Ed Wenschhof
at 301-432-6236.

Tom Shay - Cressona, PA


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tom,

Thanks for the post.  The March 23rd hike sounds interesting.

David Lutton
Hollidaysburg Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: <rotbaron@...>
To: <talkantietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:44 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Antietam schedule March 2003


> I have received Antietam's "tentative" schedule for 2003.
> It is expected to be formally approved and posted by Monday.
>
> Meanwhile, here are the March 2003 events (they are definite) ......
>
> March 15th & 16th (Saturday & Sunday)
> Battlefield Hike:The Irish Brigade At Antietam
> A Ranger led hike of the Battlefield that will discuss the attack
> of the Irish Brigade on the Confederate held, Sunken Road. The
> hike will begin at 1 P.M. at the Visitor Center and will conclude
> at approximately 3:30 P.M. near the Sunken Road on both days.
> The length of the hike is just over 2 miles.
>
> March 23rd (Sunday)
> Battlefield Hike-Nicodemus Heights & Confederate Artillery
> A Ranger led hike of this rarely visited area of the field that
> will focus on the Confederate Artillery during the morning
> hours of the battle. The hike will begin and conclude at Tour
> Stop 2, North Woods. The program will begin at 1 P.M. and
> will conclude at approximately 3:30 P.M.  The length of the
> hike is 3 miles.
>
> March 29 Park Day 2003 (Saturday)
> Antietam National Battlefield is calling for volunteers to
> participate in Park Day, an annual hands-on preservation
> event created by the Civil War Preservation Trust (CWPT).
> The purpose of Park Day is to help local communities
> maintain and restore their Civil War-related battlefields,
> cemeteries, and shrines. Volunteers interested in donating
> their time and talents at Antietam National Battlefield are
> encouraged to meet at the Visitor Center at 9:00 A.M.
> This year's projects will consist of planting trees in the
> historic North Woods and planting apple trees in the
> historic Piper Orchard.  In exchange for their hard work,
> volunteers will receive t-shirts and have an opportunity to
> learn about the significance of the sites. For more
> information about Park Day 2003 at Antietam National
> Battlefield, contact either Debbie Cohen or Ed Wenschhof
> at 301-432-6236.
>
> Tom Shay - Cressona, PA
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Tom,

Will you keep me posted, privately if you wish, about the
developments, etc. from the IB hike?

Hope you and family are enjoying the winter...........
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Very respectfully,
Your humble and obdt. servant,
G. E. (Gerry) Mayers,
Private,
Nelson's Signal Company,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the
field on which he has nobly laid down his
."     --General Robert Edward Lee

Explore some little known facts of the War of the Rebellion!
The current feature may be found at
http://www.us-civilwar.com/picketline.html
To see earlier articles, kindly go to:
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Subject: [TalkAntietam] Antietam schedule March 2003


> I have received Antietam's "tentative" schedule for 2003.
> It is expected to be formally approved and posted by
Monday.
>
> Meanwhile, here are the March 2003 events (they are
definite) ......
>
> March 15th & 16th (Saturday & Sunday)
> Battlefield Hike:The Irish Brigade At Antietam
> A Ranger led hike of the Battlefield that will discuss the
attack
> of the Irish Brigade on the Confederate held, Sunken Road.
The
> hike will begin at 1 P.M. at the Visitor Center and will
conclude
> at approximately 3:30 P.M. near the Sunken Road on both
days.
> The length of the hike is just over 2 miles.
>
> March 23rd (Sunday)
> Battlefield Hike-Nicodemus Heights & Confederate Artillery
> A Ranger led hike of this rarely visited area of the field
that
> will focus on the Confederate Artillery during the morning
> hours of the battle. The hike will begin and conclude at
Tour
> Stop 2, North Woods. The program will begin at 1 P.M. and
> will conclude at approximately 3:30 P.M.  The length of
the
> hike is 3 miles.
>
> March 29 Park Day 2003 (Saturday)
> Antietam National Battlefield is calling for volunteers to
> participate in Park Day, an annual hands-on preservation
> event created by the Civil War Preservation Trust (CWPT).
> The purpose of Park Day is to help local communities
> maintain and restore their Civil War-related battlefields,
> cemeteries, and shrines. Volunteers interested in donating
> their time and talents at Antietam National Battlefield
are
> encouraged to meet at the Visitor Center at 9:00 A.M.
> This year's projects will consist of planting trees in the
> historic North Woods and planting apple trees in the
> historic Piper Orchard.  In exchange for their hard work,
> volunteers will receive t-shirts and have an opportunity
to
> learn about the significance of the sites. For more
> information about Park Day 2003 at Antietam National
> Battlefield, contact either Debbie Cohen or Ed Wenschhof
> at 301-432-6236.
>
> Tom Shay - Cressona, PA
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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>

The full schedule for Antietam events is now posted online:

http://www.nps.gov/anti/events03.htm

Tom Shay - Cressona, PA

I just received the SHAF newsletter and it states that the upcoming hike to
the Signal Tower has been canceled.

Tom Shay


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Smithsonian Associates Civil War E-Mail Newsletter
Washington, D. C. April, 2003  Vol. 5 No. 9

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THE VICKSBURG CAMPAIGN
April 23-27, 2003, five days

Tour the Jackson area and then head out to Vicksburg for three days of Civil
War history. Examine the military maneuvers that led to the final success of
the Union Army.
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WILDERNESS TO COLD HARBOR
May 8-11, 2003, 4 days

Retrace the battles that marked the beginning of the end for the Army of
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THE WESTERN FRONTIER OF THE CIVIL WAR
June 4-9, 2003, 6 days

Visit Westport and Minefield Battlefields and Ft. Scott in Missouri. See
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STRUGGLE FOR ATLANTA
July 19-25, 2003, 7 days

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THE PENNSYLVANIA CAMPAIGN OF 1862
September 24-28, 2003

Visit Fort Monroe, the largest most-encircled masonry fortification in
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MUSIC AND CULTURE IN CIVIL WAR SOUTH
September 26-October 4, 2003, 9 days

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HAPPENINGS IN THE CIVIL WAR

April 4, 1865
President Lincoln meets with Union and Confederate figures in Richmond,
Virginia.

April 5, 1839
Robert Smalls, the only black naval captain during the Civil War, is born in
Beaufort, South Carolina.

April 7, 1865
Lincoln wires Grant:  "General Sheridan says, 'If the thing is pressed I
think that Lee will surrender.'  Let the thing be pressed."

April 9, 1865
Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrenders to Union General Ulysses S.
Grant at Appomattox Court House, ending the Civil War.

April 13, 1861
After 34 hours of bombardment, Fort Sumter is forced to surrender to the
Confederates, opening the Civil War.

April 14, 1865
President Lincoln is shot by John Wilkes Booth at Ford's Theatre, Washington
DC.

April 17, 1861 and 1865
1861:  Virginia adopts ordinance of secession.
1865:  Confederate General Joseph E. Johnston surrenders to General William
T. Sherman near Durham Station, North Carolina.

April 21, 1865
Train bearing President Lincoln's body leaves Washington en route to
Springfield, Illinois.

Ø Compiled from the Library of Congress Civil War Calendar, Pomegranate
Press.


CIVIL WAR TRIVIA

QUESTION LAST ISSUE: What is a "doggery"?

CORRECT ANSWER:   A  "place of dissipation or idle resort, " a saloon.

When running against Stephen A. Douglas, Abraham Lincoln used the word in an
1858 letter to a campaign associate.  Lincoln learns that the opposition is
sending outsiders into the district to pad the vote for Douglas.  Lincoln
became suspicious when he observed a group as they "dropped in about the
doggeries" of the town.   In the letter, Lincoln presents a plan to counter
with a tactic of his own.  He wrote, "It would be a great thing, when this
trick is attempted upon us, to have the saddle come up on the other horse...
If we can head off the fraudulent votes we shall carry the day."  They did
not carry the day, but the campaign against Douglas brought Abraham Lincoln
national prominence, setting the stage for his presidential victory in 1860.

CONGRATULATIONS to Joe Woltz of Tulsa, Oklahoma.   Joe came across the
answer when reading to his young son from Huckleberry Finn, the chapter
where they are searching for the king and find him in "little low doggery."

For answering our trivia question, Joe wins the book, Jeb Stuart, The Last
Cavalier, by Burke Davis.

QUESTION THIS ISSUE:  Who was the "Cleopatra of the Confederacy"?

Be the first to submit the correct answer and amaze your friends, win fame,
fortune and/or a Smithsonian gift item.  E-mail your answer to us at:
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SPECIAL TO THE TSA CW NEWSLETTER:
The Smithsonian Institution During the Civil War
By Kathleen W. Dorman, Associate Editor, Joseph Henry Papers
Institutional History Division, Smithsonian Institution Archives
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When the Civil War erupted in April 1861, the Smithsonian Institution itself
was vulnerable. Located between the Capitol Building and the White House,
the institution was not immune from the forces threatening to turn the city
of Washington into an armed camp.  Both the Smithsonian and Joseph Henry,
its first Secretary, somehow persevered.  "The interruptions and
embarrassments," he wrote, "although frequent, and in some cases perplexing,
have not prevented the continuance of the general operations of the
Institution."  However, were it not for his steadfast leadership, the
institution might have suffered permanent damage.

The Smithsonian Building, physically cut off from the rest of the city by
the Washington Canal, was close to the Potomac River, which divided the
District of Columbia from Virginia and the rebel south.  For its defense the
secretary of war issued the following order:  "The Colonel of Ordnance will
cause to be issued to Professor J. Henry of the Smithsonian Institute twelve
muskets and 240 rounds of ammunition, for the protection of the Institute
against lawless attacks."

Trying to accommodate the sudden influx of soldiers, the government used a
variety of public buildings and proposed that the Smithsonian Building also
be used. Henry suggested that if the Smithsonian had to be used by troops,
it would be "more in accordance with the spirit of the Institution" to use
it as an infirmary.  Fortunately, the building was not used.

Henry had always tried to keep the Smithsonian out of the controversies of
the day and his political opinions private. It is clear, however, that he
abhorred war and favored a peaceful separation over a bloodbath. His
assistant, Spencer Baird, not only did not volunteer for the Union but also
cautioned other young men not to volunteer.  He also, like Henry, clearly
saw the Smithsonian as an institution founded, in the words of James
Smithson's will, "for the increase & diffusion of knowledge among men,"
meaning, throughout the world.   He thus expressed a sentiment undoubtedly
shared by Henry:  "Whatever power may control Washington, it is our hope to
be allowed to carry out our sublime mission in the most catholic manner."

Living in the Smithsonian Building, Henry's family couldn't help but be
affected by the many soldiers passing through Washington throughout the war.
In her diary, his oldest daughter wrote of streets filled with soldiers and
the sound of drums. Mary Henry found the flashy New York Zouaves "quite
disorderly since their arrival."  But, she found the nearby Union
encampments "indescribably picturesque."

The Smithsonian soon began to feel the impact of the war on its programs.
One of the first affected was its national network of volunteer weather
observers.  As soon as the war started, observers in the South and West
stopped sending monthly reports.  After the war, one observer in Richmond
sadly informed Henry that when Sheridan's troops occupied his house, his
barometer had been broken and the mercury taken out.  Even in the North
reporting was disrupted as some observers left for military duty and were
unable to find substitutes.  The program was also hurt by government
preemption of the telegraph lines, which telegraph operators used to report
daily weather information for display on a map in the Smithsonian Building
and for publication in the evening paper.  Henry wrote in December of 1861,
"Our system of meteorology has been sadly broken in upon by the war."

The war affected the Smithsonian's pocketbook also.  The institution had
three main sources of income at this time. The first derived from the
principal of Smithson's bequest and amounted to about $31,000 a year.  The
second was $141,000 remaining of the interest the bequest had earned prior
to 1846. The third was an annual congressional appropriation of $4000.
Throughout the war Henry worried whether the government funds would be late
or not paid at all; the currency itself was devaluated; and the
institution's investments in the state bonds of Virginia, Tennessee, and
Georgia stopped yielding interest.  Henry feared that if Congress failed to
appropriate money for the museum, "we shall be obliged to close the doors or
charge an admittance to visitors."  (Fortunately for us all, that precedent
was not set.)

Although Henry lamented the human losses, he viewed the war as an
opportunity for scientific research.  He foresaw "investigations as to the
strength of materials, the laws of projectiles, the resistance of fluids,
the applications of electricity, light, heat, and chemical action, as well
as of aerostation [ballooning]."  Historian Robert V. Bruce has pointed out,
however, that most of the technology used in the Civil War was invented
before the war and that because the war was not expected to last long,
little research was initiated.  He also concluded that the war actually had
a negative effect on science, by diverting personnel and resources, and on
individual scientists, whose skills or even lives were given to the war
effort.  He mentions particularly the case of George Gordon Meade, best
known as the Union commander at Gettysburg.  Before the war, Meade had been
a captain in the army's Corps of Topographical Engineers in charge of the
Great Lakes Survey.  Henry had cautioned Meade not to become "mere food for
powder."  Meade survived the war but never returned to science.

In early 1861, Henry promoted the work of the balloonist T.S.C. Lowe,
believing he could be "of advantage to the Government in assisting their
reconnaissance of the district and country around Washington."  In mid-June,
Lowe ascended from the site now occupied by the National Air and Space
Museum to prove the feasibility of communicating by telegraph between
balloons and the ground.  With Henry's support, Lowe became head of a
balloon corps that was to provide Union commanders with accurate
information. According to historian Bruce, this was the first successful
military air force in American history.

The height of the Smithsonian Building's highest tower made it a superior
location to test signaling systems.  Surviving manuscripts refer to the
testing of different signaling systems between the Smithsonian and the Coast
Survey office on Capitol Hill, between the Smithsonian and Fort Washington
sixteen miles south of the city, and between the Smithsonian and the U.S.
Soldier's Home, the second highest elevation in Washington.

A famous anecdote relating to signaling appears in Carl Sandburg's biography
of Lincoln.  He writes, "One dark night Lincoln with four other men climbed
up the tower of the Smithsonian Institution.  Toward hills encircling
Washington they flashed signals.  The next day an army officer marched into
Lincoln's office a prisoner, Professor Joseph Henry, secretary and director
of the Smithsonian Institution, the most eminent man of learning in the
employ of the United States Government.  'Mr. President,' said the officer,
'I told you a month ago Professor Henry is a rebel.  Last night at midnight
he flashed red lights from the top of his building, signaling to the Secesh.
I saw them myself.'

Lincoln turned.  'Now you're caught!  What have you to say, Professor Henry,
why sentence of death should not immediately be pronounced upon you?'  Then,
turning to the army officer, Lincoln explained that on the previous evening
he and others had accompanied Henry to the Smithsonian tower and
experimented with new army signals."

Although Henry devoted many hours of unpaid labor to the Union effort, he
was a target of rumors questioning his loyalty.  His opposition to a series
of abolitionist lectures in the Smithsonian Building was one cause.  His
earlier friendship with Jefferson Davis was another.  Davis had been a
regent of the Smithsonian from 1847 to 1851 and proved to be one of Henry's
most consistent supporters and an effective advocate in Congress of the
Smithsonian's interests.

In trying to assert the Smithsonian's international scientific character,
Henry may have seemed less than patriotic. He was criticized for not flying
the United States flag over the Smithsonian Building throughout the war.
His reason was that he wanted the institution to be viewed as independent.
In addition, no Smithsonian employees actually served in the military.
Spencer Baird was eligible but hired a "colored substitute" for three years
at a cost of $278. Solomon Brown wrote Baird in September 1864 that he had
received a draft notice but was "Exempted on the grounds of Physical
disability." Chief Clerk William Jones Rhees and paleontologist Fielding B.
Meek were also drafted but were excused by the examining surgeon.

Henry, somewhat bitterly, made this remark to Baird near the end of the war.
"I know that I shall not be considered as good a patriot as some of your
friends I could name, who, while expressing with one hand in violent
gesticulations their devotion to their country have with the other been
filling their pockets with the spoils of office."

Despite the turmoil of four years of war, the Smithsonian emerged in a
surprisingly strong position. To explain this, we need to look to Joseph
Henry, who never lost sight of what he wanted the Smithsonian to be.  With
his vision of an institution devoted to the support of basic research and
dissemination of its findings throughout the world, he took the
"interruptions and embarrassments" caused by the war and used them to
further realize that vision.  As a result, both the Smithsonian Institution
and the nation became stronger.

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Hi folks,

I got some great help from you all a few years back on this question,
but I can't get into my email archives.  Please pick your brains and
help we on this will you?

I had an email correspondant ask the source of the word 'antietam'.  I
remember it being a local Indian word, perhaps describing the
characteristics of the creek it names.

Anybody?

THanks,

Brian

I could be wrong but I believe it means "meandering"
creek.

--- Brian Downey <brdowney@...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I got some great help from you all a few years back
> on this question,
> but I can't get into my email archives.  Please pick
> your brains and
> help we on this will you?
>
> I had an email correspondant ask the source of the
> word 'antietam'.  I
> remember it being a local Indian word, perhaps
> describing the
> characteristics of the creek it names.
>
> Anybody?
>
> THanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
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I recall the meaning is explained in John Schildt's book. I believe book title
is "Drums on the Antietam"? I have it and can check.

Tom Shay

A few comments on the word Antietam may be found at the following web
site, but it doesn't answer the word source question...

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PA-QUAKERS/2002-06/1024833515

"There is a stream running through Washington County,
Maryland, from the Pennsylvania line to the Potomac
River, whose name will be famous as long as America
endures, the placid Antietam.

"It has been impossible to trace the meaning of its name,
but tradition says tat it is of Indian origin.  It is probably
the name of an Indian chief, and in early times its musical
syllables were spelled in various ways.  We find it written
"Anteatem," and oftener yet in the rather cannibalistic
form of "Anti-Etem."  It is a beautiful, wide stream,
meandering slowly through a country of great beauty and
interest.  Sycamores lean their dappled trunks across it,
and water willows mark its course with soft masses of
grayish foliage while they hide it from view.  A tangle of
blackberries and wild roses, of papaws and hazel bushes,
of elder and poisonous ivy, fringes its banks.  Its waters
are not sparkling; they often carry a large amount of muddy
matter which gives the stream a thick and turgid appearance,
and after heavy rains it will carry this earthy charge for
days.  But it is peacefully beautiful, and flows through one
of the richest farming lands in America.

- from "The Antietam and its Bridges" by Helen Ashe Hays, 1910

Regards,
	 TRL

Brian Downey wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I got some great help from you all a few years back on this question,
> but I can't get into my email archives.  Please pick your brains and
> help we on this will you?
>
> I had an email correspondant ask the source of the word 'antietam'.  I
> remember it being a local Indian word, perhaps describing the
> characteristics of the creek it names.
>
> Anybody?
>
> THanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

The annual CW reenactment at Pennypacker Mills will be held June 7th and 8th.

The schedule is listed below.  For additional info you can email me or call
the site.

Paula

Pennypacker Mills
5 Haldeman Rd.
Schwenksville, PA 19473-1844
(610) 287 9349 o 287 9657 Fax




Saturday June 7  10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
10:00 - 1:30  Mansion tours & Children's games
11:00  Simon Cameron
11:30  Infantry morning formation & drill
12:00  General Winfireld S. Hancock
12:30  Artillery Drill
12:45  Speaker: Dr. Rolph   "My Brother's Keeper"
2:00   Battle
3:30   1860's Wedding
4:00   28th PA Regimental Brass Band

Sunday, June 8 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
10:00 - 1:30  Mansion tours & Children's games
10:30  Church Service
11:30  Infantry morning formation & drill
12:00  Civil War Music by Charlie Zahm
12:30  General Robert E. Lee
1:00    Hear the pump organ in the mansion parlor
2:00    Battle
3:00    Fashion Show



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I'm thinking a movie needs to be made about Antietam.  In the whole
scheme of things, it is as important a turning point as Gettysburg,
almost more important, because it was at a more precarious time when
things were going so absolutely bad for the Union.  It has amazing
drama with the hand of fate (Special Orders 191), daring and panache,
ineptitude, politics (you'd have to include the Emancipation in it as
a subplot), suspense to boot. With a skilled director and writer who
could make it all work without having to cut anything to fit it under
4 hours or make the actors sound like they're reciting letters from
the 19th Century.  It could work!  What do you think?  The memory of
the men (and the few women) who died there deserve this honor.

Willie,

Well, if Brad Graham of Media Magic can ever finish the deal to sell his
Antietam opus, that movie will be out though I doubt it will be a mass media
like G-burg the Movie. If you have ever been to Antietam and the VC at noon
you will have been able to see some of the footage Brad carved out for the
park service. They sell the tape there too. Supposedly he has a deal with a
PBS station to carry his movie, all done without major actors and shot with
mostly appropriate body and age types for Union and Confederate soldiers.
I'll dig around to see if I can find anything new. Bill C if you are one
line, have you heard anything new about Brad's project?

Kevin Rawlings

> From: "Willie Wonka" <corsair28@...>
>
> I'm thinking a movie needs to be made about Antietam.

Have you seen _Antietam...a Documentary" (by Media Magic) that is shown at
the parks Visitor center every day at noon? There is stall hope that a
four-hour version of this film will see the light of day by the end of the
year. Even the one hour version hits on many of the topics you mentioned. It
is available at the VC book store.

Bill Christen

Hello Everybody,

and first of all sorry for cross posting this but I know that there are
people who were at West Point on these listand maybe one of them can
help me!

My wargames club wants to prepare a WW II skirmish for a convention next
year. It is meant to depict the action of the US Airbornes Easy Company
(the one from Band of Brothers) in destroying the German guns at
Brecourt Manor. I know that this is still thaught at West Point. What I
am looking for is the textbook material from West Point. If anyone of
you still has the book this is in and would be willing to send me a copy
of the relevant pages (either by eail or snail mail it would be greatly
appreciated. Please contact me off the list(s).

Again sorry for posting this OT and for crossposting this.

Thanks,

Burkhard
  www.dhc-wargames.de

--
"For one mans nightmare is another mans dream!"

Bryan Adams / heat of the night

I own a copy of the 1 hour documentary that they've shown at the
Visitor's Center and was impressed with the video for what it was (and
even used it in class a couple of times).  I did not expect Hollywood
whiz-bang stuff, but I especially enjoyed the use of re-enactors and
the computer imagery showing the movement of certain regiments.  Some
of the shots of the experts walking around the park was a bit slow,
dragging the momentum of the piece, but I thought the narration of
JEJones really topped it off.

However, that's not what I am talking about.  I am thinking along the
lines more of a Hollywood style movie, well written and directed in
the style of Saving Private Ryan or Glory, with an attention to
detail.  I don't think it can be a slave to detail like G&G though
because sometimes the langauge weighed it down.  And after reading
some of the criticism of the movie in the Civil War News (for
instance, a horticulturist had written a letter criticisizing the
improper usage of apples on the table in the Xmas scene - give me a
break!), it seems Maxwell got caught up in the spirit of accuracy and
forgot how to tell a good story - something Shaara didn't forget.

Those are my thoughts.  Sorry I hadn't expressed them more clearly.
Can you give any more info on this magnum opus that's being bounced
around???



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Bill and Glenna Jo Christen
<gwjchris@e...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > From: "Willie Wonka" <corsair28@y...>
> >
> > I'm thinking a movie needs to be made about Antietam.
>
> Have you seen _Antietam...a Documentary" (by Media Magic) that is
shown at
> the parks Visitor center every day at noon? There is stall hope that a
> four-hour version of this film will see the light of day by the end
of the
> year. Even the one hour version hits on many of the topics you
mentioned. It
> is available at the VC book store.
>
> Bill Christen

Willie,

There is at this time no major movie on line except Cold Mountain (due near
Christmas) that will carry a Civil War story that I know of. With the
failure of Gods & General at the box office, I seriously doubt we will see
another Civil War movie for awhile. Last Full Measure sounds dead at the
moment. Let's hope Cold Mountain is well done and does good box office.
There was another movie done by Lion's Gate called Wicked Spring. It was
directed by Kevin Hershberger but all the big plans for its release last
year came to naught. All the clips of the movie I saw were excellent but it
has disappeared out of sight.

It would be nice if someone of Speilburg's or Tom Hank's caliber of
directing and producing would do a Saving Private Ryan of Band of Brothers
type movie or series following say a cast of characters of the Stonewall
Brigade and the Iron Brigade through the war with the effects of the war on
the people as well as the regiment as a whole. By the end of the war the
Stonewall Brigade little resembled the nadir of its reputation from late
1862 to early 63. But I think there would be some emotional attraction
watching its story line as the brigade dissolved through the war from
attrition in battle and decline in leadership during the last years of the
war. Attention to the horrific and gory detail of battle(s) like it was in
Band of Brothers should be a must. Maybe a Western Theater Band of Brothers
so we are not so Easterncentric following say, Patrick Cleburne and his
brigades and Union counterpart. Last part of the series to cover their
reintroduction home and part of society again. It would have to be gritty
and unsentimental. Be nice but I don't think anything is in the cards.

Kevin

> From: "Willie Wonka" <corsair28@...>

> ...I don't think it can be a slave to detail like G&G though...

Willie,

Disregarding the apples, the fact that _Silent Night_ was not popular in America
as a "sing at home" carol, that none of the text on the building signs had "."'s
after the phrases, none of the actresses had correct hair styles or clothing, or
the room at Guinea Station was not represented correctly...Mawell claimed to be
making  "the most accurate movie." The above details would cost very little in
production time or cost. His movie was so badly told (or edited) that even the
best intentions would not save it. Despite a host of other inaccuracies, the
basic fact is that Maxwell did not present a good cinematic story. Part of the
problem was that the book was no _Killer Angels_!

I recently heard of a "formula" for a successful movie based on a study of past
movies. I do not recall the exact percentages, but it stated that there should
be
A% mystery, X % action, Y % humor, Z % romance, B % music or something to that
effect. My guess is that Maxwell missed all the required figures.

I agree with you that there is enough "true" history and emotion in the Maryland
Campaign to make several movies...just find a better storyteller.

> Can you give any more info on this magnum opus that's being bounced
> around???

The longer version of the Antietam documentary is being transferred from tape to
DVD (or some such format) and the final product has been delayed. The last I
heard was that it should be completed before the end of the year.

Bill Christen

Bill Christen wrote:

<Snip>

I agree with you that there is enough "true" history and emotion in the
Maryland
Campaign to make several movies...just find a better storyteller.

    Or even if someone wanted to do a movie just on the life of Jackson they
would be hard put to find a more interesting or dynamic subject.

    Two things Maxwell should have included in Gods and Generals were the
Angel of Marye's Heights in the Fredericksburg sequence and the animals in
the forest being driven by Jackson's men just before they hit the 11th
Corps camp at Chancellorsville. Perhaps they seemed "too Hollywood" for
him. Instead he opted for that dopey scene of the silent exchange on the
Rappahannock and Chamberlin's endless speech before the attack on
Fredericksburg.


> Can you give any more info on this magnum opus that's being bounced
> around???

The longer version of the Antietam documentary is being transferred from
tape to
DVD (or some such format) and the final product has been delayed. The last I
heard was that it should be completed before the end of the year.

    The last I heard was the DVD of the movie just as it was in the theatres
would be released in July and that there would be no long version which
would include the Antietam scenes forthcoming at all.

Regards,
Teej

Bill Christen

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Somewhere I had heard that someone was making a movie about the Angel
of Fredericksburg.  Did that concept get tossed in the can as well?
Is it out and I've missed it?

I know Cold Mountain is coming out, though I find it highly ironic
that in a so-called American Odyssey, two non-American actors play
the main roles (Jude Law and Nicole Kidman).  For those interested in
other older historical movies, a remake of the Alamo is supposed to
be released around the same time (Xmas, 2003) starring Dennis Quaid,
Jason Patric, and Billy Bob Thorton.  Also, some of you may have seen
that new Tom Cruise movie advertised, The Last Samurai.  He
apparently plays an alcoholic Civil War vet who goes to Japan as a
representative from Winchester gun company to train the emperor's
troops.  The movie's directed by Glory's Edward Zwick.  Check
www.upcomingmovies.com for all this and more on movies.

These are big budget, big names films, though I'm not sure that
Hollywood will balk on another Civil War movie b/c of the failure of
G&G.  If the story is good enough Hollywood will make it.



--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "teej@n..." <teej@n...> wrote:
>
> Bill Christen wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
> I agree with you that there is enough "true" history and emotion in
the
> Maryland
> Campaign to make several movies...just find a better storyteller.
>
>    Or even if someone wanted to do a movie just on the life of
Jackson they
> would be hard put to find a more interesting or dynamic subject.
>
>    Two things Maxwell should have included in Gods and Generals
were the
> Angel of Marye's Heights in the Fredericksburg sequence and the
animals in
> the forest being driven by Jackson's men just before they hit the
11th
> Corps camp at Chancellorsville. Perhaps they seemed "too Hollywood"
for
> him. Instead he opted for that dopey scene of the silent exchange
on the
> Rappahannock and Chamberlin's endless speech before the attack on
> Fredericksburg.
>
>
> > Can you give any more info on this magnum opus that's being
bounced
> > around???
>
> The longer version of the Antietam documentary is being transferred
from
> tape to
> DVD (or some such format) and the final product has been delayed.
The last I
> heard was that it should be completed before the end of the year.
>
>    The last I heard was the DVD of the movie just as it was in the
theatres
> would be released in July and that there would be no long version
which
> would include the Antietam scenes forthcoming at all.
>
> Regards,
> Teej
>
> Bill Christen
>
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