In this 1896 photo, women stand in front of John Brown's fort, which stood
on Murphy Farm until 1906. (Historic Photo Collection, Harpers Ferry NHP)
Instead of becoming a 188-unit housing development, a 99-acre farm that
was the site of an 1862 Civil War battle will soon become part of Harpers
Ferry National Historical Park in Harpers Ferry, W. Va.

The Trust for Public Land, a conservation group, announced yesterday that
it will buy the Murphy Farm and transfer it to the National Park Service,
which will reimburse the Trust.

The Murphy family says it is "overjoyed" that the property, which has been
a working farm since 1869, will be added to the adjacent 2,300-acre
national park. "This is a dream that every generation of the Murphy family
has shared," the family said in a statement.

From 1895-1910, abolitionist John Brown's fort stood on the Murphy Farm.
In 1906, W.E.B. DuBois and other African-American leaders made a barefoot
pilgrimage to the fort, a meeting that resulted in the formation of the
NAACP.

POSTED BY: Tom Shay

In a message dated 11/03/2002 7:29:46 PM EST, gerry1952@... writes:
<< Any stories of the Sunken Road fight? I >>

Articles focus on "Human Interest Stories and Sites Off the Beaten Path" by
Ted Alexander.

They include....

Antietam Horsepower, or Greasey Heel and the Dead Colonel's Mount"
The Mumma Farm
Von Bachelle's Best Friend and Other Canine Stories
Hispanics at Antietam
Vaqueros in Blue & Gray
Sect and the CW: Dunkers of Sharpsburg and their little white Church
The Roulette Farm
Lost Hopes on Display At Antietam (Hope Paintings)
The Gallant Pelham Stirs Up the Yankees

Tom Shay - Cressona, PA

Two upcoming NPS tours at Antietam in November....

Sunday, 10th- Battlefield Hike- The Burnside Bridge-This Battlefield
hike will explore the Union advance towards the Burnside Bridge. We will
cover the high ground east of the Bridge, Confederate Overlook, and a
portion of Snavely's Ford Trail. The hike will begin at 1 P.M. at the
Visitors Center and end approximately 3 P.M. Total length of the hike is
about 2 miles.

Sunday, 17th-Battlefield Hike-Another Lost Opportunity: George Greene at
Antietam-This Battlefield hike will follow the action surrounding G.
Greene's Division of the Union Twelfth Corps. We will walk through the
Cornfield, East Woods, Mumma Swale, Dunker Church, and West Woods. The
hike will begin at 1 P.M. and end approximately 3 P.M. at the Visitors
Center. The length of the hike is 1.5 miles.

POSTED BY: Tom Shay

If anyone is interested, this weekend I will be presenting two public
miniature wargames based upon the fighting at South Mountain. These
games are FREE to the viewing public, and will be a part of the very
large Fall-In 2002 convention of wargamers at the Lancaster Host
Resort on route 30 in Lancaster PA.

Game #1 will be Friday night at 6PM. It will recreate Cox's attack on
Fox's Gap led by Rutherford B. Hayes and the 23rd OVI and others.
This is a game orginally presented at the Hayes museum in Fremont OH
in early October. The game will be in 15mm scale using Johnny RebIII
as the rules set.

Game #2 will be Saturday afternoon at 2PM. This will be a follow-up
game with the afternoon and evening action at Fox's Gap as Reno led
forward the rest of IX Corps while parts of 5 Rebel brigades tried to
hold the gap.

Both games are excerpted from the manuscript for my upcoming
wargaming book, "Undying Courage: The Maryland Campaign in
Miniature." This work is the third in a series of full-color
wargaming booklets. Volume 1 of the series, "Enduring Valor:
Gettysburg in Miniature" is now in print and for sale at Gettysburg
shops including Greystone's and others. Volume 2 is due out in
January.

If anyone is interested in learning a little more about miniature
wargaming, feel free to stop by the Lancaster Host and watch the
South Mountain games, and introduce yourself as a member of the
TalkAntietam board.

And to those of you from this group who has so very graciously
offered advice, constructive criticism of the draft scenarios, and
suggestions, THANK YOU very much!

regards!

Scott Mingus
Gettysburg - York Gamers

..Scott,
Im interested...but unfortunately I won't be in the
area this weekend. Any suggestions, I live near
Mechanicsburg.:)
Thanks
-jason
--- Scott Mingus <scottmingus@...> wrote:
> If anyone is interested, this weekend I will be
> presenting two public
> miniature wargames based upon the fighting at South
> Mountain. These
> games are FREE to the viewing public, and will be a
> part of the very
> large Fall-In 2002 convention of wargamers at the
> Lancaster Host
> Resort on route 30 in Lancaster PA.
>
> Game #1 will be Friday night at 6PM. It will
> recreate Cox's attack on
> Fox's Gap led by Rutherford B. Hayes and the 23rd
> OVI and others.
> This is a game orginally presented at the Hayes
> museum in Fremont OH
> in early October. The game will be in 15mm scale
> using Johnny RebIII
> as the rules set.
>
> Game #2 will be Saturday afternoon at 2PM. This will
> be a follow-up
> game with the afternoon and evening action at Fox's
> Gap as Reno led
> forward the rest of IX Corps while parts of 5 Rebel
> brigades tried to
> hold the gap.
>
> Both games are excerpted from the manuscript for my
> upcoming
> wargaming book, "Undying Courage: The Maryland
> Campaign in
> Miniature." This work is the third in a series of
> full-color
> wargaming booklets. Volume 1 of the series,
> "Enduring Valor:
> Gettysburg in Miniature" is now in print and for
> sale at Gettysburg
> shops including Greystone's and others. Volume 2 is
> due out in
> January.
>
> If anyone is interested in learning a little more
> about miniature
> wargaming, feel free to stop by the Lancaster Host
> and watch the
> South Mountain games, and introduce yourself as a
> member of the
> TalkAntietam board.
>
> And to those of you from this group who has so very
> graciously
> offered advice, constructive criticism of the draft
> scenarios, and
> suggestions, THANK YOU very much!
>
> regards!
>
> Scott Mingus
> Gettysburg - York Gamers
>
>
>
>
>
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Jason,

Sorry I missed your presentation on Iverson at the CWRT meeting in
Gettysburg last week. I was tied up with other activities.

I did do a Gettysburg game a couple weeks ago at the Winds of Valor /
MilitaryHistoryOnline.com fall muster.

I'll post some pictures of this weekend's South Mountain games for
folks to get an idea of what the gaming layout looks like.

regards!

Scott "the Mad Wargamer" Mingus

Some of you have asked for more information regarding my upcoming
miniature wargaming full-color scenario book for regimental-level
gaming of the Maryland Campaign.

Here is the complete table of contents. This should be in print in
2003.

"Undying Courage: Antietam in Miniature"

Lee's Maryland Campaign of 1862



Table of Contents


1. Harper's Ferry (Maryland Heights)  9/13/1862
2. Quebec Schoolhouse  		 9/13/1862
3. Fox's Gap (first phase) 	 9/14/1862
4. Fox's Gap (second phase)  9/14/1862
5. Crampton's Gap 		 9/14/1862
6. Turner's Gap 		 9/14/1862
7. Harper's Ferry (Schoolhouse Ridge)  9/15/1862
8. The East Woods Skirmish  9/16/1862
9. Dawn in the Cornfield 	 9/17/1862
10. Mansfield's Attack 	 9/17/1862
11. The West Woods Massacre 	 9/17/1862
12. Bloody Lane 		 9/17/1862
13. Dunker Church 		 9/17/1862
14. Burnside's Bridge 		 9/17/1862
15. Up Came Hill 		 9/17/1862
16. Shepherdstown 	 9/20/1862

Scott,

Will the game scenarios eventually be computerized???

Very respectfully,
Your humble servant,
Gerry Mayers
Pvt., CS Signals,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the field
on which he has nobly laid down his life."     --General Robert
Edward Lee

Gods and Generals movie slated for general theater release
February 21, 2003--
said by Stephen Lang, September 14, 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Amico" <darkpharoh@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] South Mountain wargame


> ..Scott,
> Im interested...but unfortunately I won't be in the
> area this weekend. Any suggestions, I live near
> Mechanicsburg.:)
> Thanks
> -jason
> --- Scott Mingus <scottmingus@...> wrote:
> > If anyone is interested, this weekend I will be
> > presenting two public
> > miniature wargames based upon the fighting at South
> > Mountain. These
> > games are FREE to the viewing public, and will be a
> > part of the very
> > large Fall-In 2002 convention of wargamers at the
> > Lancaster Host
> > Resort on route 30 in Lancaster PA.
> >
> > Game #1 will be Friday night at 6PM. It will
> > recreate Cox's attack on
> > Fox's Gap led by Rutherford B. Hayes and the 23rd
> > OVI and others.
> > This is a game orginally presented at the Hayes
> > museum in Fremont OH
> > in early October. The game will be in 15mm scale
> > using Johnny RebIII
> > as the rules set.
> >
> > Game #2 will be Saturday afternoon at 2PM. This will
> > be a follow-up
> > game with the afternoon and evening action at Fox's
> > Gap as Reno led
> > forward the rest of IX Corps while parts of 5 Rebel
> > brigades tried to
> > hold the gap.
> >
> > Both games are excerpted from the manuscript for my
> > upcoming
> > wargaming book, "Undying Courage: The Maryland
> > Campaign in
> > Miniature." This work is the third in a series of
> > full-color
> > wargaming booklets. Volume 1 of the series,
> > "Enduring Valor:
> > Gettysburg in Miniature" is now in print and for
> > sale at Gettysburg
> > shops including Greystone's and others. Volume 2 is
> > due out in
> > January.
> >
> > If anyone is interested in learning a little more
> > about miniature
> > wargaming, feel free to stop by the Lancaster Host
> > and watch the
> > South Mountain games, and introduce yourself as a
> > member of the
> > TalkAntietam board.
> >
> > And to those of you from this group who has so very
> > graciously
> > offered advice, constructive criticism of the draft
> > scenarios, and
> > suggestions, THANK YOU very much!
> >
> > regards!
> >
> > Scott Mingus
> > Gettysburg - York Gamers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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Gerry,

I have all 16 miniature wargaming scenarios currently in manuscript
format prior to submitting them to my publisher. If you's like to
take a look, please send me an e-mail off-line. Several folks from
this YahooGroup have been kind enough to help review the scenarios
and offer constructive commentary. Feel free to join in!

Scott

In TalkAntietam@y..., "NJ Rebel" <gerry1952@f...> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Will the game scenarios eventually be computerized???
>
> Very respectfully,
> Your humble servant,
> Gerry Mayers
> Pvt., CS Signals,
> Longstreet's Corps
>
> A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!
>
> "I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the field
> on which he has nobly laid down his life."     --General Robert
> Edward Lee
>
> Gods and Generals movie slated for general theater release
> February 21, 2003--
> said by Stephen Lang, September 14, 2002
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J Amico" <darkpharoh@y...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] South Mountain wargame
>
>
> > ..Scott,
> > Im interested...but unfortunately I won't be in the
> > area this weekend. Any suggestions, I live near
> > Mechanicsburg.:)
> > Thanks
> > -jason
> > --- Scott Mingus <scottmingus@y...> wrote:
> > > If anyone is interested, this weekend I will be
> > > presenting two public
> > > miniature wargames based upon the fighting at South
> > > Mountain. These
> > > games are FREE to the viewing public, and will be a
> > > part of the very
> > > large Fall-In 2002 convention of wargamers at the
> > > Lancaster Host
> > > Resort on route 30 in Lancaster PA.
> > >
> > > Game #1 will be Friday night at 6PM. It will
> > > recreate Cox's attack on
> > > Fox's Gap led by Rutherford B. Hayes and the 23rd
> > > OVI and others.
> > > This is a game orginally presented at the Hayes
> > > museum in Fremont OH
> > > in early October. The game will be in 15mm scale
> > > using Johnny RebIII
> > > as the rules set.
> > >
> > > Game #2 will be Saturday afternoon at 2PM. This will
> > > be a follow-up
> > > game with the afternoon and evening action at Fox's
> > > Gap as Reno led
> > > forward the rest of IX Corps while parts of 5 Rebel
> > > brigades tried to
> > > hold the gap.
> > >
> > > Both games are excerpted from the manuscript for my
> > > upcoming
> > > wargaming book, "Undying Courage: The Maryland
> > > Campaign in
> > > Miniature." This work is the third in a series of
> > > full-color
> > > wargaming booklets. Volume 1 of the series,
> > > "Enduring Valor:
> > > Gettysburg in Miniature" is now in print and for
> > > sale at Gettysburg
> > > shops including Greystone's and others. Volume 2 is
> > > due out in
> > > January.
> > >
> > > If anyone is interested in learning a little more
> > > about miniature
> > > wargaming, feel free to stop by the Lancaster Host
> > > and watch the
> > > South Mountain games, and introduce yourself as a
> > > member of the
> > > TalkAntietam board.
> > >
> > > And to those of you from this group who has so very
> > > graciously
> > > offered advice, constructive criticism of the draft
> > > scenarios, and
> > > suggestions, THANK YOU very much!
> > >
> > > regards!
> > >
> > > Scott Mingus
> > > Gettysburg - York Gamers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
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I have read that the Stonewall Regiment lost 141 men at South
Mountain. Does anyone know how many men they carried into that fight
(or into Antietam as I can then calculate how many they had a South
Mountain). I've heard anywhere from 500-982 in terms of the numbe rat
South Mountain.

What contemporary sources are out there, and what do they say?

Jeffery D. Wert wrote an awesome awesome book on the
Stonewall and Iron Brigades during the war. I'll look
at it if i remember. Also, might want to check the
ORs.
--- Scott Mingus <scottmingus@...> wrote:
> I have read that the Stonewall Regiment lost 141 men
> at South
> Mountain. Does anyone know how many men they carried
> into that fight
> (or into Antietam as I can then calculate how many
> they had a South
> Mountain). I've heard anywhere from 500-982 in terms
> of the numbe rat
> South Mountain.
>
> What contemporary sources are out there, and what do
> they say?
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Scott Mingus wrote:


> I have read that the Stonewall Regiment lost 141 men at South
> Mountain. Does anyone know how many men they carried into that fight
> (or into Antietam as I can then calculate how many they had a South
> Mountain). I've heard anywhere from 500-982 in terms of the numbe rat
> South Mountain.
>
> What contemporary sources are out there, and what do they say?

     Scott, I'm not sure if this is what you're after but Jeffry Wert writes
in his "A Brotherhood of Valor: The Common Soldiers of the Stonewall
Braigade, C.S.A, And the Iron Brigade, U.S.A., "A recent estimate has
calculated the average Confederate regimental strength at 166 and
comparative Union numbers at 346. In the Stonewall Brigade, the figures were
starkly worse. jackson had detached the Second Virginia and assigned it to
provost duty in Martinsburg, Virginia, reducing the brigades regiments to
four. Colonel Andrew Grigsby commanded the Virginians with a lieutenant
colonel, a major, and two captains serving as regimental commanders. The
brigade's reported strength at Sharpsburg was 250 officers and men, an
average of slightly more than sixty per regiment.

Regards,
Teej

----- Original Message -----
   From: Teej Smith
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:46 PM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] 17th Michigan


   Scott Mingus wrote:


   > I have read that the Stonewall Regiment lost 141 men at South
   > Mountain. Does anyone know how many men they carried into that fight
   > (or into Antietam as I can then calculate how many they had a South
   > Mountain). I've heard anywhere from 500-982 in terms of the numbe rat
   > South Mountain.
   >
   > What contemporary sources are out there, and what do they say?

       Scott, I'm not sure if this is what you're after but Jeffry Wert writes
   in his "A Brotherhood of Valor: The Common Soldiers of the Stonewall
   Braigade, C.S.A, And the Iron Brigade, U.S.A., "A recent estimate has
   calculated the average Confederate regimental strength at 166 and
   comparative Union numbers at 346. In the Stonewall Brigade, the figures were
   starkly worse. jackson had detached the Second Virginia and assigned it to
   provost duty in Martinsburg, Virginia, reducing the brigades regiments to
   four. Colonel Andrew Grigsby commanded the Virginians with a lieutenant
   colonel, a major, and two captains serving as regimental commanders. The
   brigade's reported strength at Sharpsburg was 250 officers and men, an
   average of slightly more than sixty per regiment.

   Regards,
   Teej

   The Stonewall REGIMENT and the Stonewall BRIGADE were two different entaties.
One was Union from Michigan and the other was Rebel from Virginia.
   The Stonewall brigade was at Harpers Ferry during the battle for South
Mountain.







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The Stonewall REGIMENT and the Stonewall BRIGADE were two different
entaties. One was Union from Michigan and the other was Rebel from Virginia.
   The Stonewall brigade was at Harpers Ferry during the battle for South
Mountain.

     My apologies to Scott and the rest of the group.

Teej

----- Original Message -----
   From: Teej Smith
   To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:54 PM
   Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] 17th Michigan





     The Stonewall REGIMENT and the Stonewall BRIGADE were two different
   entaties. One was Union from Michigan and the other was Rebel from Virginia.
     The Stonewall brigade was at Harpers Ferry during the battle for South
   Mountain.

       My apologies to Scott and the rest of the group.

   Teej

   Easy mistake to make. J. Amico also got confused. The plaque near the Reno
Monument tells the story of the Stonewall Regiment. Perhaps someone from
Michigan could come up with the numbers. I've only been there a few times and
can not recall what is written on the plaque.
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Would not Carman offer an idea as well? Perhaps Tom Clemens could
assist with that one.........

Very respectfully,
Your humble servant,
G. E. (Gerry( Mayers,
Private, Signals Company,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the field
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] 17th Michigan


Jeffery D. Wert wrote an awesome awesome book on the
Stonewall and Iron Brigades during the war. I'll look
at it if i remember. Also, might want to check the
ORs.
--- Scott Mingus <scottmingus@...> wrote:
> I have read that the Stonewall Regiment lost 141 men
> at South
> Mountain. Does anyone know how many men they carried
> into that fight
> (or into Antietam as I can then calculate how many
> they had a South
> Mountain). I've heard anywhere from 500-982 in terms
> of the numbe rat
> South Mountain.
>
> What contemporary sources are out there, and what do
> they say?
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In a message dated 11/26/02 1:45:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scottmingus@... writes:
> I have read that the Stonewall Regiment lost 141 men at South Mountain. Does
> anyone know how many men they carried into that fight (or into Antietam as
> I can then calculate how many they had a South Mountain). I've heard
> anywhere from 500-982 in terms of the number at South Mountain. What
> contemporary sources are out there, and what do they say?

Scott,

Bill Christen presented a great talk on the 17th MICH at the recent Antietam
re-enactment.

From his notes, here is info on Christ's Brigade for afternoon action at
Wise's farm in Fox's Gap - 14 September 1862:

Colonel Benjamin C. Christ - First Brigade (162 casualties)
Captain Andrew P. Caraher - 28th Massachusetts (7 wounded)
Lieutenant Colonel Frank Graves - 8th Michigan 200 men (8 wounded)
Colonel William H. Withington - 17th Michigan, 750 men (26 killed, 106
wounded)
Lieutenant Colonel David Morrison - 79th New York    (12 wounded)
Major Edward Overton - 50th Pennsylvania (3 wounded)

Tom Shay - Cressona, PA


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Bill Christen is the resident expert on 17th Mich.  Ask him.


NJ Rebel wrote:

>Would not Carman offer an idea as well? Perhaps Tom Clemens could
>assist with that one.........
>
>Very respectfully,
>Your humble servant,
>G. E. (Gerry( Mayers,
>Private, Signals Company,
>Longstreet's Corps
>
>A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!
>
>"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the field
>on which he has nobly laid down his life."     --General Robert
>Edward Lee
>
>Explore some little known facts of the War of the Rebellion! The
>current feature may be found at
>http://www.us-civilwar.com/picketline.html
>To see earlier articles, kindly go to:
>http://www.us-civilwar.com/njrebel
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J Amico" <darkpharoh@...>
>To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] 17th Michigan
>
>
>Jeffery D. Wert wrote an awesome awesome book on the
>Stonewall and Iron Brigades during the war. I'll look
>at it if i remember. Also, might want to check the
>ORs.
>--- Scott Mingus <scottmingus@...> wrote:
>
>>I have read that the Stonewall Regiment lost 141 men
>>at South
>>Mountain. Does anyone know how many men they carried
>>into that fight
>>(or into Antietam as I can then calculate how many
>>they had a South
>>Mountain). I've heard anywhere from 500-982 in terms
>>of the numbe rat
>>South Mountain.
>>
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>>they say?
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> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:43:04 -0000
> From: "Scott Mingus" <scottmingus@...>
> Subject: 17th Michigan
>
> I have read that the Stonewall Regiment lost 141 men at South
> Mountain. Does anyone know how many men they carried into that fight
> (or into Antietam as I can then calculate how many they had a South
> Mountain). I've heard anywhere from 500-982 in terms of the numbe rat
> South Mountain.

I have already sent Scott a copy of my presentation from the past September
through Harry Smeltzer. In it he can find my estimation is 720-750 as the
strength before S. Mountain and 500 after Antietam.

Bill Christen

Items on Antietam's December 2002 schedule.....

December 6: Council on America's Military Past - Lecture at 7 P.M. in the
Visitors Center.

December 7th: Thirteenth Annual Memorial Illumination- Volunteers place over
23,000 candles on the battlefield, each representing a casualty from the
bloodiest single-day-battle in American History. Driving tour begins at 6
P.M. on route 34 east of Sharpsburg. In the event of high winds or heavy
rain, this event will be rescheduled to December 14th.

Tom Shay

Thanks folks! I needed the information on the 17th MI for a wargaming
scenario that I have written for Fox's Gap for inclusion in "Undying
Courage: Antietam in Miniature."

I'm still working on determining the armament of Stuart's cavalry
regiment by regiment. I've found some sources, but there are still
gaps. Does anyone have additional sources on each regiment and their
primary weapon (pistols, sabers, shotguns, breechloading carbines,
muzzle loading carbines, etc.)?

Scott
Gettysburg - York Gamers

Group,

If anyone has been to the Antietam website lately, there is a
wonderful press release posted therein. Parts of the historic
Piper Orchard were to be begun being replanted in October of this
year.

I think, that, once the entire orchard is replanted it will
provide a much more accurate view of the terrain features behind
the Sunken Road. Of course, it would be difficult to replant the
cornfield area but this is a large step towards a more Civil War
era appearance.

Any comments?

Very respectfully,
Your humble servant,
G. E. (Gerry) Mayers,
Private, Signals Company,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the field
on which he has nobly laid down his life."     --General Robert
Edward Lee

Explore some little known facts of the War of the Rebellion! The
current feature may be found at
http://www.us-civilwar.com/picketline.html
To see earlier articles, kindly go to:
http://www.us-civilwar.com/njrebel

Scott,

Do any of the reports in the OR offer any clues?

Very respectfully,
Your humble servant,
G. E. (Gerry) Mayers,
Private, Signals Company,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the field
on which he has nobly laid down his life."     --General Robert
Edward Lee

Explore some little known facts of the War of the Rebellion! The
current feature may be found at
http://www.us-civilwar.com/picketline.html
To see earlier articles, kindly go to:
http://www.us-civilwar.com/njrebel


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Mingus" <scottmingus@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Digest Number 259


> Thanks folks! I needed the information on the 17th MI for a
wargaming
> scenario that I have written for Fox's Gap for inclusion in
"Undying
> Courage: Antietam in Miniature."
>
> I'm still working on determining the armament of Stuart's
cavalry
> regiment by regiment. I've found some sources, but there are
still
> gaps. Does anyone have additional sources on each regiment and
their
> primary weapon (pistols, sabers, shotguns, breechloading
carbines,
> muzzle loading carbines, etc.)?
>
> Scott
> Gettysburg - York Gamers
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Group,

One of the rangers at Antietam NBP kindly contacted me with
fuller information on my recent posting about the replanting of
portions of the historic Piper Orchard.

His comments are immediately attached.

Very respectfully,
Your humble servant,
G. E. (Gerry) Mayers,
Private,
Nelson's Signal Company,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the field
on which he has nobly laid down his life."     --General Robert
Edward Lee

Explore some little known facts of the War of the Rebellion! The
current feature may be found at
http://www.us-civilwar.com/picketline.html
To see earlier articles, kindly go to:
http://www.us-civilwar.com/njrebel


----- Original Message -----
From: <Brian_Baracz@...>
To: <gerry1952@...>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: orchard


> Mr. Mayers,
>
> I saw your post on the Antietam Digest and here is some
background for you:
>
> Some info on the Piper Orchard:  The park is replanting seven
of the
> original seventeen acres this year. We started a few weeks ago
planting the
> trees that were shipped from Michigan.  A hard freeze and heavy
snowfall
> last week put a halt to the operation with the count of
approximately 250
> out of 317 trees planted.  We are hoping the weather breaks
before the end
> of the year so we can get the rest of the trees in the ground.
The trees
> are three to four foot 'whips' and the holes have been drilled
into the
> ground so we can just drop the trees in and move on to the next
hole.
>
> I also noticed in your post a comment about the Cornfield.  The
perimeters
> of the Cornfield are clearly marked w/ the proper historic
fence lines and
> the size of the field is about twenty-six acres, not forty as
people have
> been led to believe for years by historians.  The Natural
Resources
> Division at Antietam works w/ local farmers in the area and
leases out land
> on the battlefield.  This year the Cornfield was planted in
corn, last year
> soy beans.  The determination is made by the farmer depending
on crop
> rotation.
>
> Upcoming projects include reforestation of the West Woods (in
the past five
> yrs. we have had 9,ooo volunteers plant over 15,000 trees!) as
well as
> replanting of the North Woods to start next spring.
>
> You can pass this info on to the group if you would like and if
you have
> any other questions, drop me a line.
>
> Regards,
> Brian Baracz
> Park Ranger Antietam Battlefield
>
>
>

Great post, Gerry, very informative.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: NJ Rebel
   To: Talk Antietam
   Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:11 PM
   Subject: [TalkAntietam] Fw: orchard


   Group,

   One of the rangers at Antietam NBP kindly contacted me with
   fuller information on my recent posting about the replanting of
   portions of the historic Piper Orchard.



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I've read war correspondent Geo. W. Smalley's article, "A Witness to Mutiny at
Antietam," in which he alleges an attempt by Lt. James Wilson of McClellan's
staff to sound-out the wounded Hooker (via Smalley) on replacing Mac as
commander of the AoP while the battle was in progress.  Smalley wrote his
article in 1894 and did not name Wilson in it.  Sears mentions the episode in
Landscape Turned Red.  The staff officer, of course, was "boy wonder" James
Harrison Wilson, who ended the war a storied cavalry leader and maj. gen.  I am
curious if anyone besides Smalley mentioned or alluded to this incident.




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Here is a link to one of the "aerial" [hotos of my recent Fox's Gap
wargaming scenario.

http://www.fall-in.org/images/fi1195.jpg

Scott,

Which portion of the Battles for South Mountain are we viewing in
that image???

Impressive indeed.

Very respectfully,
Your humble servant,
G. E. (Gerry) Mayers,
Private,
Nelson's Signal Company,
Longstreet's Corps

A Proud American by Birth, Southern by Choice!

"I know of no fitter resting-place for a soldier than the field
on which he has nobly laid down his life."     --General Robert
Edward Lee

Explore some little known facts of the War of the Rebellion! The
current feature may be found at
http://www.us-civilwar.com/picketline.html
To see earlier articles, kindly go to:
http://www.us-civilwar.com/njrebel


----- Original Message -----
From: <scottmingus@...>
To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: South Mountain wargame


> Here is a link to one of the "aerial" [hotos of my recent Fox's
Gap
> wargaming scenario.
>
> http://www.fall-in.org/images/fi1195.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "NJ Rebel" <gerry1952@f...>
wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Which portion of the Battles for South Mountain are we viewing in
> that image???
>

Gerry,

This view is looking north from the Lamb's Knoll region. In the
foreground is the country lane that ran by the J. H. Beachley house
(first house from the bottom). To the right is Old Sharpsburg Road
(Hoffman and Martz houses). Towards the center is Fox's Gap and a
structure to represent the Wise cabin. To the left is the road
heading down towards Pleasant Valley (Lampert and Hutzel homesteads).
To the north (top of the photo) runs the old mountain road towards
Turner's Gap.

At the extreme NE corner of the photo is the National Pike near the
D. Beachley farm. The stone walls in this segment are defending by
two regiments of Colquitt's Brigade.

Everything is in 15mm scale. I use Johnny RebIII as the rules. Each
inch of miniature terrain equals 50 yards of ground scale, each tiny
wargaming pewter figure equals 30 armed combatants, and each game
turn is 20 minutes of ground time.

For more pictures of South Mountain gaming, please see my web site at
http://www.geocities.com/scottmingus/index. Also, please sign my
guestbook if you have time.

regards!

Scott

In many OOBs that I have seen,  the tactical commander of this
regiment is not names. Has anyone ever seen documentation of who
commanded this regiment at Sharpsburg and South Mountain?

Scott