Interesting stuff!  Is there any way to know if these were still manual
numbers at that point?

Robert


On 1/23/03 7:01 PM, "hamiltonhugh <hamilton@...>" <hamilton@...>
wrote:

> In a recently-acquired 1928-29 industrial directory, there are many,
> many numbers with five digits (all 10xxx) on the following prefixes:
> BERkshire, BOWling Green, CANal, GREenpoint, LONgacre, MADison Square,
> MELrose, ORChard, PULaski, RIChmond Hill, and VANderbilt.  Anyone know
> how these were handled in the 1930 conversion to 2L-5D (or 2L-6D?).
> There is also one MArket 10xxx number in Newark, N.J., when all others
> were still 2L-4D; another conversion problem?  These numbers no doubt
> carry over from manual days.  Any info would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> --Hugh
>
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Hi Hugh,

> In a recently-acquired 1928-29 industrial directory, there are many,
> many numbers with five digits (all 10xxx) on the following prefixes:
> BERkshire, BOWling Green, CANal, GREenpoint, LONgacre, MADison Square,
> MELrose, ORChard, PULaski, RIChmond Hill, and VANderbilt.  Anyone know
> how these were handled in the 1930 conversion to 2L-5D (or 2L-6D?).

During the NYC conversion, the third letter usually mapped to the
corresponding number so that CANal would be CAnal 6, etc.  Where there was a
conflict with the letter/number plan, an arbitrary number was selected.
Example: SCHuyler (pronounced "Sky-ler") in Manhattan and SAInt George in
Staten Island.  SCHuyler became SChuyler 4 and SAInt Geo. became SAint Geo.
7.

> There is also one MArket 10xxx number in Newark, N.J., when all others
> were still 2L-4D; another conversion problem?  These numbers no doubt
> carry over from manual days.  Any info would be appreciated.

NJ was somewhat different.  It seemed to be a mix of dial and manual
depending on the central office.  For the most part, the phone numbers were
written in 2L-4N or 2L-5N.  Larger cities were dial offices and there were
still manual offices as late as 1960.  Manual offices usually had the town's
name as the exchange.  When converted to dial, they were given a "generic"
exchange name.  PAssaic 2 and 3 exchanges changed to the GRegory exchange
when converted to dial circa 1950.

You can look up the exchanges at this website (direct link):
http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/search.asp

Some of the entries also gives some historical background.

Hope this helps.

Fred D.
Totowa, NJ

In a recently-acquired 1928-29 industrial directory, there are many,
many numbers with five digits (all 10xxx) on the following prefixes:
BERkshire, BOWling Green, CANal, GREenpoint, LONgacre, MADison Square,
MELrose, ORChard, PULaski, RIChmond Hill, and VANderbilt.  Anyone know
how these were handled in the 1930 conversion to 2L-5D (or 2L-6D?).
There is also one MArket 10xxx number in Newark, N.J., when all others
were still 2L-4D; another conversion problem?  These numbers no doubt
carry over from manual days.  Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
--Hugh

I have compiled a document of named prefixes used in California and
Nevada from 1947 onwards.  Please e-mail me if you'd like a copy.

This is forwarded from pinel@... , who sent it to me via
eBay:

I am working on a telephone service history project for Beachwood
Maine and am looking for information from:

1. Summer 1904 directory covering Biddeford, ME exchange.
2. Spring and/or Summer 1910 direcory covering Kennebunkport, ME

Can you help in any way? Please feel free to forward this message.

Many thanks for your assistance.

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wrote:
CORRECTED FROM 1/10/03 SUBMISSION (see GRDNCA01 and LSANCA02):
>     Office names in the Los Angeles exchange are/were (old prefixes
no
> longer is use at the end of lettered prefixes are shown in
parentheses):
>
>     ALHBCA01 (Alhambra 01) First St.:  CUmberland 3.
>     BELLCA11 (Bell 11):  SPruce 3.
>     BRBNCA11 (Burbank 11) Main:  (ROckwell 9), VIctoria 9.
>     BVHLCA01 (Beverly Hills 01) Main:  BRadshaw 2, (TRemont 8).
>     CLCVCA11 (Culver City 11):  (AShley 4, TExas 0), UPton 0, (UPton
1).
>     CMTNCA01 (Compton 01) Main:  NEvada 6, SPruce 4.
>     ELMNCA01 (El Monte 01):  MUseum 6.
>     GLDLCA11 (Glendale 11):  CHapman 5.
       GRDNCA01 (Gardena 01): FAculty 1.
>     HNPKCA01 (Huntington Park 01): (JEfferson, KImball, LAfayette,
> LOgan, LOgan 5,8, LUcas), LUdlow 1,2,3,5,7,8,9.
>     HLWDCA01 (Hollywood 01): (GArfield, GLadstone, GRanite,
HEmpstead,
> HIllside, HOllywood), HOllywood 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9, (HUdson 2,
HYperion).
>     HWTHCA01 (Hawthorne 01):  SPring 2.
>     IGWDCA01 (Inglewood 01) La Brea Ave.:  ORegon 8.
>     LSANCA02 Olive St. or MAdison: (MAdison), MAdison
> 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, (MIchigan), MUrdock 3,8,9, (MUtual, TRinity,
> TUcker, TUcker 0, VAndike).
>     LSANCA05 PLeasant: (PLeasant), PLeasant 0,1,2,3,8,9, (THornwall,
> TWinoaks).
>     LSANCA06 Union Ave.: HUbbard 3,4, HUntley 1,2.
>     LSANCA07 Airport Blvd:  SPring 6.
>     LSANCA08 Melrose Ave.: OLdfield 4,6, OLeander 5, OLive 1,3.
>     LSANCA09 RIchmond: (PRospect, PRospect 6,7, RIchmond), RIchmond
> 1,6,7,8,9.
>     LSANCA10 WEbster: (WAlnut, WEbster), WEbster 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
> (WHitney, WYoming, YOrk).
>     LSANCA11 Rampart Blvd or DUnkirk: (DRexel, DUnkirk), DUnkirk
> 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, (EXposition, FAirfax, FEderal, FItzroy).
>     LSANCA12 NOrmandy: (MOrningside 1, NOrmandy), NOrmandy
1,2,3,4,5,6,
> (NOrmandy 8, OLympia).
>     LSANCA13 PLymouth: PLymouth 4,5,6,7.
>     LSANCA14 ADams:  (ADams), ADams 1,2,3,4, (CEntury 2).
>     LSANCA15 AXminster:  (AXminster), AXminster 1,2,3,4,5,6.
>     LSANCA23 CApitol:  (CApitol), CApitol 1,2,3,5.
>     LSANCA29 Sunset Blvd:  TRiangle 4,6.
>     LSANCA34 ANgelus:  (ANgelus), ANgelus 1,2,3,4,8,9.
>     LSANCA35 Montebello: OVerbrook 5, RAymond 3, (UNderhill 0).
>     LSANCA38 REpublic: (PArkway, REpublic), REpublic 1,2,3,4,5,
> (ROchester).
>     LSANCA56 CLinton: (ALbany, BLanchard 7, CLeveland 5,6,7),
CLinton
> 4,5,6,7.
>     NHWDCA01 (North Hollywood 01) Lankershim Blvd:  TRiangle 5.
>     NHWDCA02 (North Hollywood 02) Magnolia Blvd:  (STanley 7),
TRiangle
> 7.
>     PSDNCA11 (Pasadena 11) Green St.:  MUrray 1, (RYan 1).
>     PSDNCA12 (Pasadena 12) Lake Ave.:  MUrray 4.
>     SGATCA01 (South Gate 01):  LOrain 4,6,7,9.
>     SHOKCA01 (Sherman Oaks 01) Cedros Ave.:  TRiangle 2.
>     SPSDCA11 (South Pasadena 11) Mission St.: MUrray 2, (PYramid 1,
RYan
> 1).
>     VNNYCA02 (Van Nuys 02) Kester Ave.:  (STanley 3), TRiangle 3.
>     WLANCA01 (West Los Angeles 01) Century City:  TRemont 9.
>     WLMGCA01 (Wilmington 01):  SPruce 5.
>
> Let me know if you need further info; I have a lot available for
> Southern California in particular.
>
> --Hugh
>
> Robert Crowe wrote:
>
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > I'm forwarding this to the discussion group (see below) to see if
> > anyone has
> > an answer.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > --
> > Robert Crowe
> > Telephone Exchange Name Project
> > http://www.ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html
> >
> >
> > ------ Forwarded Message
> > From: Emtpilot@a...
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:56:13 EST
> > To: robert@o...
> > Subject: Exchange names and office names
> >
> > Hello Robert,
> > I would like to commend you on a wonderful web resource,
especially
> > considering I was born long after the advent of 7 digit numbers.I
have
> > a
> > question that I am hoping you might be able to answer or shed some
> > light on.
> > I've been doing research into Pacific Bell (now SBC) central
office
> > names.
> > Most of the CO's are named after the community they are located,
in
> > some
> > areas more the one office serves a community or city.  Pacbell's
> > office are
> > named according to their CLLI code. And in larger cities it is
> > followed with
> > a number (ex.  Los Angeles 02, Los Angeles 07, etc.)  What I am
> > looking for
> > is weather Pacbell actually "names" these offices, even though it
has
> > a
> > common exchange name just different location number (such as
naming
> > the
> > office after the streets its on or neighborhood).  I have talked
to a
> > few
> > who
> > seem to think that the offices are named after the old telephone
> > exchanges
> > (REpublic, AXminster).  I have actually run across some recent
Pacbell
> >
> > regulatory documents that show some offices named after these old
> > exchange
> > names.
> >
> > Just wondering if you might have an answer to this.
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give.
> >
> > Jon Jamieson
> > CWEA San Diego Section Historian
> > http://www.sewagehistory.com
> >
> >
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Hi:

     Office names in the Los Angeles exchange are/were (old prefixes no
longer is use at the end of lettered prefixes are shown in parentheses):

     ALHBCA01 (Alhambra 01) First St.:  CUmberland 3.
     BELLCA11 (Bell 11):  SPruce 3.
     BRBNCA11 (Burbank 11) Main:  (ROckwell 9), VIctoria 9.
     BVHLCA01 (Beverly Hills 01) Main:  BRadshaw 2, (TRemont 8).
     CLCVCA11 (Culver City 11):  (AShley 4, TExas 0), UPton 0, (UPton 1).

     CMTNCA01 (Compton 01) Main:  NEvada 6, SPruce 4.
     ELMNCA01 (El Monte 01):  MUseum 6.
     GLDLCA11 (Glendale 11):  CHapman 5.
     HNPKCA01 (Huntington Park 01): (JEfferson, KImball, LAfayette,
LOgan, LOgan 5,8, LUcas), LUdlow 1,2,3,5,7,8,9.
     HLWDCA01 (Hollywood 01): (GArfield, GLadstone, GRanite, HEmpstead,
HIllside, HOllywood), HOllywood 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9, (HUdson 2, HYperion).
     HWTHCA01 (Hawthorne 01):  SPring 2.
     IGWDCA01 (Inglewood 01) La Brea Ave.:  ORegon 8.
     LSANCA02 Olive St. or MAdison: (MAdison), MAdison
0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, (MIchigan), MUrdock 3,8,9, (MUtual, TRinity,
TUcker, VAndike).
     LSANCA05 PLeasant: (PLeasant), PLeasant 0,1,2,3,8,9, (THornwall,
TWinoaks).
     LSANCA06 Union Ave.: HUbbard 3,4, HUntley 1,2.
     LSANCA07 Airport Blvd:  SPring 6.
     LSANCA08 Melrose Ave.: OLdfield 4,6, OLeander 5, OLive 1,3.
     LSANCA09 RIchmond: (PRospect, PRospect 6,7, RIchmond), RIchmond
1,6,7,8,9.
     LSANCA10 WEbster: (WAlnut, WEbster), WEbster 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
(WHitney, WYoming, YOrk).
     LSANCA11 Rampart Blvd or DUnkirk: (DRexel, DUnkirk), DUnkirk
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, (EXposition, FAirfax, FEderal, FItzroy).
     LSANCA12 NOrmandy: (MOrningside 1, NOrmandy), NOrmandy 1,2,3,4,5,6,
(NOrmandy 8, OLympia).
     LSANCA13 PLymouth: PLymouth 4,5,6,7.
     LSANCA14 ADams:  (ADams), ADams 1,2,3,4, (CEntury 2).
     LSANCA15 AXminster:  (AXminster), AXminster 1,2,3,4,5,6.
     LSANCA23 CApitol:  (CApitol), CApitol 1,2,3,5.
     LSANCA29 Sunset Blvd:  TRiangle 4,6.
     LSANCA34 ANgelus:  (ANgelus), ANgelus 1,2,3,4,8,9.
     LSANCA35 Montebello: OVerbrook 5, RAymond 3, (UNderhill 0).
     LSANCA38 REpublic: (PArkway, REpublic), REpublic 1,2,3,4,5,
(ROchester).
     LSANCA56 CLinton: (ALbany, BLanchard 7, CLeveland 5,6,7), CLinton
4,5,6,7.
     NHWDCA01 (North Hollywood 01) Lankershim Blvd:  TRiangle 5.
     NHWDCA02 (North Hollywood 02) Magnolia Blvd:  (STanley 7), TRiangle
7.
     PSDNCA11 (Pasadena 11) Green St.:  MUrray 1, (RYan 1).
     PSDNCA12 (Pasadena 12) Lake Ave.:  MUrray 4.
     SGATCA01 (South Gate 01):  LOrain 4,6,7,9.
     SHOKCA01 (Sherman Oaks 01) Cedros Ave.:  TRiangle 2.
     SPSDCA11 (South Pasadena 11) Mission St.: MUrray 2, (PYramid 1, RYan
1).
     VNNYCA02 (Van Nuys 02) Kester Ave.:  (STanley 3), TRiangle 3.
     WLANCA01 (West Los Angeles 01) Century City:  TRemont 9.
     WLMGCA01 (Wilmington 01):  SPruce 5.

Let me know if you need further info; I have a lot available for
Southern California in particular.

--Hugh

Robert Crowe wrote:

>
> Jon,
>
> I'm forwarding this to the discussion group (see below) to see if
> anyone has
> an answer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
> --
> Robert Crowe
> Telephone Exchange Name Project
> http://www.ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html
>
>
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Emtpilot@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:56:13 EST
> To: robert@...
> Subject: Exchange names and office names
>
> Hello Robert,
> I would like to commend you on a wonderful web resource, especially
> considering I was born long after the advent of 7 digit numbers.I have
> a
> question that I am hoping you might be able to answer or shed some
> light on.
> I've been doing research into Pacific Bell (now SBC) central office
> names.
> Most of the CO's are named after the community they are located, in
> some
> areas more the one office serves a community or city.  Pacbell's
> office are
> named according to their CLLI code. And in larger cities it is
> followed with
> a number (ex.  Los Angeles 02, Los Angeles 07, etc.)  What I am
> looking for
> is weather Pacbell actually "names" these offices, even though it has
> a
> common exchange name just different location number (such as naming
> the
> office after the streets its on or neighborhood).  I have talked to a
> few
> who
> seem to think that the offices are named after the old telephone
> exchanges
> (REpublic, AXminster).  I have actually run across some recent Pacbell
>
> regulatory documents that show some offices named after these old
> exchange
> names.
>
> Just wondering if you might have an answer to this.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
> Jon Jamieson
> CWEA San Diego Section Historian
> http://www.sewagehistory.com
>
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--- In TENproject@yahoogroups.com, "dgoe740075 <dgoe740075@y...>"
<dgoe740075@y...> wrote:
> good evening,
>
> i was wondering if you could help me..i have paper with the addres
> sherbrooke st  tel. walnut 8847..i am looking to find out what city
> and state that is..any help would be appreciated.
>
> thank you
> diane

Hi:
Cross-checking the TENP data and postal directories, I'd guess that
this was in Montreal, Quebec, where Rue Sherbrooke, Rue Sherbrooke
Est, and Rue Sherbrooke Ouest all exist.  If so, WAlnut 8847 would
have become HUnter 1-8847, now (514) 481-8847.  The only other near
possibility would be Sherbrook (no final 'e') Street in Pittsburgh,
Pennsylvania; in that case, WAlnut 8847 would have become WAlnut
1-8847, now (412) 921-8847.  Hope this helps!
--Hugh

Jon,

I'm forwarding this to the discussion group (see below) to see if anyone has
an answer.

Thanks,

Robert

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http://www.ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html


------ Forwarded Message
From: Emtpilot@...
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:56:13 EST
To: robert@...
Subject: Exchange names and office names

Hello Robert,
I would like to commend you on a wonderful web resource, especially
considering I was born long after the advent of 7 digit numbers.I have a
question that I am hoping you might be able to answer or shed some light on.
I've been doing research into Pacific Bell (now SBC) central office names.
Most of the CO's are named after the community they are located, in some
areas more the one office serves a community or city.  Pacbell's office are
named according to their CLLI code. And in larger cities it is followed with
a number (ex.  Los Angeles 02, Los Angeles 07, etc.)  What I am looking for
is weather Pacbell actually "names" these offices, even though it has a
common exchange name just different location number (such as naming the
office after the streets its on or neighborhood).  I have talked to a few
who
seem to think that the offices are named after the old telephone exchanges
(REpublic, AXminster).  I have actually run across some recent Pacbell
regulatory documents that show some offices named after these old exchange
names.

Just wondering if you might have an answer to this.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Jon Jamieson
CWEA San Diego Section Historian
http://www.sewagehistory.com


------ End of Forwarded Message

good evening,

i was wondering if you could help me..i have paper with the addres
sherbrooke st  tel. walnut 8847..i am looking to find out what city
and state that is..any help would be appreciated.

thank you
diane

Tom,

If I'm not mistaken, I think there were multiple
"phases" (units) of panel (and No. 1 Crossbar) within
a single building.  I think the most any one unit
could handle were two codes ("A" and "B").  So chances
are that in offices with more than two codes, there
was more than one unit with separate trunks to it from
each other office.  For example, downtown here in
Cincinnati at the Seventh Street central office, we
had one unit of 1XB for DUNbar and GArfield, and
another one for MAin and PArkway.  The MAin/PArkway
unit was cut to No. 1 ESS the late 60's while the
DUnbar/GArfield was left as 1XB into the late 70's.

With the advent of No. 5 Crossbar it was possible to
add an "AB" office to the combination (don't ask me
how that was done) as we had one here in town, the
Greenhills office, which was purported as the largest
"single-unit 5XB" office in the Cincinnati Bell
operating area.  All other 5XB offices in town with
more than two codes had multiple phases.

Bottom line, for revertive, anyway, just the five RP
digits on the trunk.

Neil
--- thomas.rollo@... wrote:
> Neil,
>
> Now I've got it. What about the cases where there
> were many prefixes in the
> same office that were not numerically similar.  In
> Chicago on the near south
> side CAlumet 5-, DAnube 6-, and VIctory 2-, or just
> west of the Loop: ANdover 3-
> , DEarborn 2-, and FInancial 6-?  Were there ever
> cases when the sender in the
> originating office sent out all seven digits in a
> revertive format.
>
> Tom
>
>


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Neil,

Now I've got it. What about the cases where there were many prefixes in the
same office that were not numerically similar.  In Chicago on the near south
side CAlumet 5-, DAnube 6-, and VIctory 2-, or just west of the Loop: ANdover 3-
, DEarborn 2-, and FInancial 6-?  Were there ever cases when the sender in the
originating office sent out all seven digits in a revertive format.

Tom

WHOOPS -- I hit "send" too early!

Tom (and Robert),

Yes, the revertive pulse is one higher than the actual
number needed for the last two digits of that number.
There are in fact five RP digits associated with a
four-digit telephone number, as per my previous
e-mail.

The first three revertive digits are used to identify
the "hundreds" group out of all the possibilities that
exist.  In my previous example, 6452, the first three
digits of RP (revertive pulsing) would be:

4 - gets you 6000-7999;
1 - gets you 6000-6499;
5 - gets you 6400-6499.

And then, still needing 5-2, the last two pulses are
6-3 (one higher than the needed number).

There was another concept called "high five" which
allowed you to specify central office "B" (an example
of a central office "A" and central office "B"
arrangement on the same trunk would be JAckson 1 and
JAckson 2).  In order to specify office "B", or
JAckson 2-6452 in this case, the first digit would be
4 *plus 5* = 9.  So when the incoming office saw
9-1-5-6-3, it translated this to JAckson 2-6452.
4-1-5-6-3 would translated to JAckson 1-6452.

Took me forever to figure this out.

Neil
--- thomas.rollo@... wrote:
> Neil,
>
> My understanding is that for all digits, the
> revertive pulse was the actual
> numeric value if the digit plus one.  In ther
> words...
>
> 0=1
> 1=2
> 2=3
> 3=4
> 4=5
> 5=6
> 6=7
> 7=8
> 8=9
> 9=10
>
> This applies to all digits..
>
> Tom Rollo
>
>




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Tom (and Robert),

Yes, the revertive pulse is one higher than the actual
number needed for the last two digits of that number.
There are in fact five RP digits associated with a
four-digit telephone number, as per my previous
e-mail.

The first three revertive digits are used to identify
the "hundreds" group out of all the possibilities that
exist.  In my previous example, 6452, the first three
digits of RP (revertive pulsing) would be:


--- thomas.rollo@... wrote:
> Neil,
>
> My understanding is that for all digits, the
> revertive pulse was the actual
> numeric value if the digit plus one.  In ther
> words...
>
> 0=1
> 1=2
> 2=3
> 3=4
> 4=5
> 5=6
> 6=7
> 7=8
> 8=9
> 9=10
>
> This applies to all digits..
>
> Tom Rollo
>
>



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Neil,

My understanding is that for all digits, the revertive pulse was the actual
numeric value if the digit plus one.  In ther words...

0=1
1=2
2=3
3=4
4=5
5=6
6=7
7=8
8=9
9=10

This applies to all digits..

Tom Rollo

Neil,

And so the answer was ... ?

Thanks,

Robert


On 12/28/02 10:14 AM, "Neil Stewart" <neilstewart66@...> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> I had another resource and got an answer from them.  I
> wasn't really thinking about the fact that the
> exchange names wouldn't have anything to do with
> technical stuff!  In any case, I'm still glad for your
> website!  My wife and I travel quite frequently and
> when we get back home, I always check to see if the
> EXchange names match the ones still used in the areas
> we visit.  Of course with the advent of cellphones and
> area code splits, it's a little more difficult than
> before.
>
> Regards,
>
> Neil
> --- Robert Crowe <robert@...> wrote:
>>
>> Neil,
>>
>> I for one don't have a clue I'm afraid.  I really
>> don't know anything about
>> dialing.  Anyone else?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> --
>> Robert Crowe
>> Telephone Exchange Name Project
>> http://www.ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html
>>
>>
>> On 12/25/02 9:47 AM, "neilstewart66
>> <neilstewart66@...>"
>> <neilstewart66@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone run across, anywhere on the Internet,
>> an explanation of
>>> how revertive pulsing works?  I know only this
>> much: that it's five
>>> RP digits for the last four digits of the number
>> (using 6452 as an
>>> example), I think it follows this logic:
>>>
>>> 1st:  1 through 5 corresponding to:
>>>     0000-1999 = 1
>>>     2000-3999 = 2
>>>     4000-5999 = 3
>>>     6000-7999 = 4
>>>     8000-9999 = 5
>>>
>>> 2nd:  1 through 4 corresponding to:
>>>     6000-6499 = 1
>>>     6500-6999 = 2
>>>     7000-7499 = 3
>>>     7500-7999 = 4
>>>
>>> 3rd:  1 through 5 corresponding to:
>>>     6000-6099 = 1
>>>     6100-6199 = 2
>>>     6200-6299 = 3
>>>     6300-6399 = 4
>>>     6400-6499 = 5
>>>
>>> 4th:  1 through 10(?) corresponding to:
>>>     6400-6409 = 1
>>>     6410-6419 = 2
>>>     6420-6429 = 3
>>>     6430-6439 = 4
>>>     6440-6449 = 5
>>>     6450-6459 = 6
>>>     6460-6469 = 7
>>>     6470-6479 = 8
>>>     6480-6489 = 9
>>>     6490-6499 = 10
>>>
>>> 5th:  1 through 10(?) corresponding to:
>>>     6450 = 1
>>>     6451 = 2
>>>     6452 = 3
>>>     6453 = 4
>>>     6454 = 5
>>>     6455 = 6
>>>     6456 = 7
>>>     6457 = 8
>>>     6458 = 9
>>>     6459 = 10
>>>
>>> So the number 6452 would translate into 4-1-5-6-3.
>>>
>>> I'm probably wrong in some area about this but
>> does anyone have
>>> better information?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
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Hi Robert,

I had another resource and got an answer from them.  I
wasn't really thinking about the fact that the
exchange names wouldn't have anything to do with
technical stuff!  In any case, I'm still glad for your
website!  My wife and I travel quite frequently and
when we get back home, I always check to see if the
EXchange names match the ones still used in the areas
we visit.  Of course with the advent of cellphones and
area code splits, it's a little more difficult than
before.

Regards,

Neil
--- Robert Crowe <robert@...> wrote:
>
> Neil,
>
> I for one don't have a clue I'm afraid.  I really
> don't know anything about
> dialing.  Anyone else?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
> --
> Robert Crowe
> Telephone Exchange Name Project
> http://www.ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html
>
>
> On 12/25/02 9:47 AM, "neilstewart66
> <neilstewart66@...>"
> <neilstewart66@...> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone run across, anywhere on the Internet,
> an explanation of
> > how revertive pulsing works?  I know only this
> much: that it's five
> > RP digits for the last four digits of the number
> (using 6452 as an
> > example), I think it follows this logic:
> >
> > 1st:  1 through 5 corresponding to:
> >     0000-1999 = 1
> >     2000-3999 = 2
> >     4000-5999 = 3
> >     6000-7999 = 4
> >     8000-9999 = 5
> >
> > 2nd:  1 through 4 corresponding to:
> >     6000-6499 = 1
> >     6500-6999 = 2
> >     7000-7499 = 3
> >     7500-7999 = 4
> >
> > 3rd:  1 through 5 corresponding to:
> >     6000-6099 = 1
> >     6100-6199 = 2
> >     6200-6299 = 3
> >     6300-6399 = 4
> >     6400-6499 = 5
> >
> > 4th:  1 through 10(?) corresponding to:
> >     6400-6409 = 1
> >     6410-6419 = 2
> >     6420-6429 = 3
> >     6430-6439 = 4
> >     6440-6449 = 5
> >     6450-6459 = 6
> >     6460-6469 = 7
> >     6470-6479 = 8
> >     6480-6489 = 9
> >     6490-6499 = 10
> >
> > 5th:  1 through 10(?) corresponding to:
> >     6450 = 1
> >     6451 = 2
> >     6452 = 3
> >     6453 = 4
> >     6454 = 5
> >     6455 = 6
> >     6456 = 7
> >     6457 = 8
> >     6458 = 9
> >     6459 = 10
> >
> > So the number 6452 would translate into 4-1-5-6-3.
> >
> > I'm probably wrong in some area about this but
> does anyone have
> > better information?
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
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> > TENproject-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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Neil,

I for one don't have a clue I'm afraid.  I really don't know anything about
dialing.  Anyone else?

Thanks,

Robert

--
Robert Crowe
Telephone Exchange Name Project
http://www.ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html


On 12/25/02 9:47 AM, "neilstewart66 <neilstewart66@...>"
<neilstewart66@...> wrote:

> Has anyone run across, anywhere on the Internet, an explanation of
> how revertive pulsing works?  I know only this much: that it's five
> RP digits for the last four digits of the number (using 6452 as an
> example), I think it follows this logic:
>
> 1st:  1 through 5 corresponding to:
>     0000-1999 = 1
>     2000-3999 = 2
>     4000-5999 = 3
>     6000-7999 = 4
>     8000-9999 = 5
>
> 2nd:  1 through 4 corresponding to:
>     6000-6499 = 1
>     6500-6999 = 2
>     7000-7499 = 3
>     7500-7999 = 4
>
> 3rd:  1 through 5 corresponding to:
>     6000-6099 = 1
>     6100-6199 = 2
>     6200-6299 = 3
>     6300-6399 = 4
>     6400-6499 = 5
>
> 4th:  1 through 10(?) corresponding to:
>     6400-6409 = 1
>     6410-6419 = 2
>     6420-6429 = 3
>     6430-6439 = 4
>     6440-6449 = 5
>     6450-6459 = 6
>     6460-6469 = 7
>     6470-6479 = 8
>     6480-6489 = 9
>     6490-6499 = 10
>
> 5th:  1 through 10(?) corresponding to:
>     6450 = 1
>     6451 = 2
>     6452 = 3
>     6453 = 4
>     6454 = 5
>     6455 = 6
>     6456 = 7
>     6457 = 8
>     6458 = 9
>     6459 = 10
>
> So the number 6452 would translate into 4-1-5-6-3.
>
> I'm probably wrong in some area about this but does anyone have
> better information?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
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Has anyone run across, anywhere on the Internet, an explanation of
how revertive pulsing works?  I know only this much: that it's five
RP digits for the last four digits of the number (using 6452 as an
example), I think it follows this logic:

1st:  1 through 5 corresponding to:
       0000-1999 = 1
       2000-3999 = 2
       4000-5999 = 3
       6000-7999 = 4
       8000-9999 = 5

2nd:  1 through 4 corresponding to:
       6000-6499 = 1
       6500-6999 = 2
       7000-7499 = 3
       7500-7999 = 4

3rd:  1 through 5 corresponding to:
       6000-6099 = 1
       6100-6199 = 2
       6200-6299 = 3
       6300-6399 = 4
       6400-6499 = 5

4th:  1 through 10(?) corresponding to:
       6400-6409 = 1
       6410-6419 = 2
       6420-6429 = 3
       6430-6439 = 4
       6440-6449 = 5
       6450-6459 = 6
       6460-6469 = 7
       6470-6479 = 8
       6480-6489 = 9
       6490-6499 = 10

5th:  1 through 10(?) corresponding to:
       6450 = 1
       6451 = 2
       6452 = 3
       6453 = 4
       6454 = 5
       6455 = 6
       6456 = 7
       6457 = 8
       6458 = 9
       6459 = 10

So the number 6452 would translate into 4-1-5-6-3.

I'm probably wrong in some area about this but does anyone have
better information?

Neil

--- In TENproject@yahoogroups.com, "blondmerlin <blondmerlin@y...>"
<blondmerlin@y...> wrote:
> My wife and I live on White Sands Missile Range, NM. We are both in
> our 20's, but have heard about exchange numbers due to our interest
> in collecting antiques. I ran into your site browsing around and
have
> enjoyed it. I was wondering, since the base has been around since
the
> 40's, would there have been an exchange name just for here, or
would
> it have possible used the one in Las Cruces (25 miles away)? Our
> current #'s are 678-xxxx, but I haven't been able to find any old
> phone books for the base to see if that was always the case.
>
> It's also a unique experience here because we found out that our
1965
> rotary telephone still works with the setup out here. It's our
> primary phone!
>
> Eric

You ought to check old El Paso phone books in the library there.
This is because WSMR was for years part of the El Paso rate center and
thus in area-code 915 rather than 505.  A friend of mine was stationed
there in the early 1970s, and his phone number in base housing was
only reachable via 915.  The reason for the anomalous area code was
that Mountain Bell (then the local company in El Paso) switched all
calls to Army prefixes to the Fort Bliss PBX, so calls to WSMR
transited Fort Bliss.  My friend told me that there was local calling
from WSMR to Las Cruces, but not vice versa, at the time.  Presently,
the anomalies have been corrected, with WSMR now in the Las Cruces
rate center; only Fort Bliss numbers in El Paso now have local calling
to WSMR.

Quite possibly, there was never a lettered prefix for 678.  Direct
Inward Dialling might have been instituted after the discontinuance of
lettered prefixes in the '60s.

As for your old phone: hang onto it; it should work anywhere you
should find yourself in the future.  And it's no doubt indestructible,
as well!

--Hugh

According to the TENProject database, (direct link to search database:
http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/search.asp  )  the only reference for 67x was
ORchard in Milnesand, NM .  Is that anywhere near you?

Las Cruces, NM used JAckson 5

If not, you might try looking up old telephone directories from the 1950's
or local papers (for ads) from the same era.  You may also try writing or
calling the state library in Albuquerque and ask them for a photo copy of NM
exchanges for that era.  I did the same thing for NJ and the state library
in Trenton was very helpful.  I requested the years 1959, 60, 61 and 62.

It is possible that 678 was added on after the 1960's, after the phone
companies stopped using named EXchanges.


Fred D.

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>    Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:58:30 -0000
>    From: "blondmerlin <blondmerlin@...>" <blondmerlin@...>
> Subject: Military base EXchange name?
>
> My wife and I live on White Sands Missile Range, NM. We are both in
> our 20's, but have heard about exchange numbers due to our interest
> in collecting antiques. I ran into your site browsing around and have
> enjoyed it. I was wondering, since the base has been around since the
> 40's, would there have been an exchange name just for here, or would
> it have possible used the one in Las Cruces (25 miles away)? Our
> current #'s are 678-xxxx, but I haven't been able to find any old
> phone books for the base to see if that was always the case.
>
> It's also a unique experience here because we found out that our 1965
> rotary telephone still works with the setup out here. It's our
> primary phone!
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
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>
>

My wife and I live on White Sands Missile Range, NM. We are both in
our 20's, but have heard about exchange numbers due to our interest
in collecting antiques. I ran into your site browsing around and have
enjoyed it. I was wondering, since the base has been around since the
40's, would there have been an exchange name just for here, or would
it have possible used the one in Las Cruces (25 miles away)? Our
current #'s are 678-xxxx, but I haven't been able to find any old
phone books for the base to see if that was always the case.

It's also a unique experience here because we found out that our 1965
rotary telephone still works with the setup out here. It's our
primary phone!

Eric

As far as I know the following is a list of prefixes in your
neighborhood that once had names associated with them:

242 (CHelsea 2), 243 (CHelsea 3), 255 (ALgonquin 5; but not
ALgonquin 4, which is on the East Side), 675 (ORegon 5; but not
ORegon 4, which is on the East Side), 924 (WAtkins 4), 929 (WAtkins
9), and 989 (YUkon 9).  The current "524" in this area is NOT the
original LAckawanna 4, which was located in the rate center
immediately to the north of yours (around Penn Station); this
exchange was disconnected approximately 20 years ago, then a totally
new "524" was connected later.

Many years ago the phone company let customers change their phone
numbers at will, for a one-time fee; an operator would read off a
list of vacant numbers and then ask the customer to select one of
them to be the new number (this same procedure was also followed
when establishing an entirely new account).  If this is still the
case you might want to try this; just keep having the operator read
off numbers until one whose prefix is on the above list is read off,
then choose that one; you can then give out the number to everyone
using the name at the beginning instead of the first three numbers.

The boundaries for your rate center are a block or two below Houston
St. on the south, somewhere around 26th-28th Street on the north (it
varies on different blocks), 5th Ave. or Avenue of the Americas on
the east, and the Hudson River on the west, unless Verizon has
changed them very recently.

Hi Heather,

I looked up your prefix (212-414) in the TelcoData.us Telecommunications
Database <http://www.telcodata.us/> and learned that the CLLI (industry
location code) for your switch is NYCMNY18DS1.  The results page provides a
link to Mapquest which shows where Verizon's central office (CO) is located,
which appears to be on 18th St. near 8th Ave.  So, from the "18" in the CLLI
code and the street location, I would guess that your CO is called the 18th
St. CO.  (This naming convention appears to be used with other COs around
Manhattan as well.)

If you follow the link for the CLLI code, you'll see a list of CO codes
(prefixes) that are served now from the 18th St. CO building.  Among them
are CO codes in NNX format (229, 242, 243, 255, 366, 367, 524, 647, 675,
886, 924 and 929), some of which correspond to historic alphabetical
EXchange names.  It is possible that individual EXchanges once may have
served smaller areas and later were consolidated in one CO to serve a larger
area.  Conversely, multiple EXchanges may have been housed in the same CO
building.  Any or all of the above may have been the case with any
longstanding CO codes that are now served from the 18th St. CO, as you will
read below.

Finally, I searched the Telephone EXchange Name Project database for the CO
codes listed above and came up with the following:


LIKELY MATCHES:

242 and 243
CHelsea 2 and 3 (Manhattan):
nLAmbert@... CHElsea became CHelsea 3 (12/20/30). CHelsea 2 was
added later. Chelsea was originally a manual office.

675
ORegon 5 (Manhattan):
generationx187@... ORegon 5 was on the lower West Side (from about
Franklin Street to about 27th Street).

924 and 929
WAtkins 4 and 9 (Manhattan):
nLAmbert@... WATkins became WAtkins 9 (12/20/30). WAtkins 4 was
later added.
staff@... I grew up in Manhattan, in Chelsea, and had a WA9
exchange until my parents moved in 1969.


POSSIBLE MATCHES:

255
ALgonquin 5 (Manhattan):
nLAmbert@... ALGonquin became ALgonquin 4 (12/20/30),ALgonquin 5
was added later.
ALlegheny 5 (New York, later discontinued):
nLAmbert@... (Original Contributor) from my collection. ALLegheny
became ALlegheny 5 (12/20/30), was later discontinued.

524  [Area described is well to the north of 18th St.]
LAckawanna 4 (Manhattan):
nLAmbert@... LACkawanna became LAckawanna 4 (12/20/30)
generationx187@... West Side, from roughly 23rd to 44th Streets; the
section from 37th Street upward between 5th and 8th Avenues was detached in
Winter of 1972-73 and totally new (ANC) prefixes were connected in this
area.


NO MATCH
These probably originally were assigned to outer boroughs and later
reassigned in (Manhattan-only) 212 after 718 split:

229  BAyside 9 (Queens)
366  DOngan Hills 6 (Staten Island)
367  FOrdham 7 (Bronx)
647  MIdway (Brooklyn)
886  TUlip 6 (Queens)


So, as you can see see now, if you were around in the days of EXchange
names, you might have been on one of at least three different EXchanges
serving your neighborhood.  It might be possible that only one of them
served your street, or perhaps all of them did.  If you're interested in
investigating further, you might contact some of the contributors who
provided the comments listed above.  Other good sources of info are old
telephone directories, city directories, and old newspapers on microfilm,
all of which may be found in libraries.

And now I'm just curious... What is the name of the restaurant down the
street from you?  It would be interesting to find out their phone prefix to
see if it fits any of the above!

Best regards,
Matt Mullen

----- Original Message -----
From: heatherefink  <heatherefink@...>
To: TENproject@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:57 PM
Subject: [TENproject] Bank St., New York City

Hi, first I must say what an absolutely fascinating website this is.
I stumbled upon it by accident and love it.

I'm 26 and live on Bank St. in New York City. My exchange today
is 414-XXXX, but obviously it's been changed over the years and
41 names didn't exist. I would like to find out what it would have
been back in the day of EXchanges. I'm not sure if this is the
correct way to go about it, but since I don't know the history of the
numerical exchanges in MY building, I'm hoping someone else
may happen to know what the EXchange for the Bank St. area of
New York back in the day of EXchanges. I imagine it would be
relatively safe to assume it would the same for my building too,
right? Because wouldn't one whole street have the same
EXchange?

Also, I do know a restaurant on my street has been around since
the early 1900's, so could I ask them what there exhange was to
figure this out?

Any insight anyone could provide would be so so appreciated.

Many thanks,
Heather

Hi, first I must say what an absolutely fascinating website this is.
I stumbled upon it by accident and love it.

I'm 26 and live on Bank St. in New York City. My exchange today
is 414-XXXX, but obviously it's been changed over the years and
41 names didn't exist. I would like to find out what it would have
been back in the day of EXchanges. I'm not sure if this is the
correct way to go about it, but since I don't know the history of the
numerical exchanges in MY building, I'm hoping someone else
may happen to know what the EXchange for the Bank St. area of
New York back in the day of EXchanges. I imagine it would be
relatively safe to assume it would the same for my building too,
right? Because wouldn't one whole street have the same
EXchange?

Also, I do know a restaurant on my street has been around since
the early 1900's, so could I ask them what there exhange was to
figure this out?

Any insight anyone could provide would be so so appreciated.


Many thanks,
Heather

I've lived in Hastings-on-Hudson, New York since 1964 when I was 13 months old.
My parents were assigned GReenleaf 8 as their phone number. I still live with my
parents and they still have the same telephone number after all of these years.
If you contact me, I can give you nearly all of the old exchange names in
Westchester County, New York. Up until about 1962 or 1963, the exchange names
within Westchester County were often referred to by the municipality. When the
area code system took effect in Westchester County, many areas were Switched to
new exchange names. You can E-mail me ta either jeffalterman@... or
alterman@...

--- In TENproject@y..., "Robert" <robert@o...> wrote:
> This is the place to share your memories, historical notes, or
questions
> regarding telephone exchange names.  We hope that this group will
provide a
> resource to everyone who's interested in exchange names, beyond the
> database of exchange name listings which is found on the main site,
which is
> found at:
>
> http://www.ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html


Thanks for finding a new home for the message center. I've missed it.
You have a great site. I very much enjoy it.

This is the place to share your memories, historical notes, or questions
regarding telephone exchange names.  We hope that this group will provide a
resource to everyone who's interested in exchange names, beyond the
database of exchange name listings which is found on the main site, which is
found at:

http://www.ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html