I see,�The chinese cultural center based in South Carolina, USA. They help with
job placements in the eastern area of China.
Mary

________________________________
From: dewi6112 dewi6112@...
.

I have just returned home to the UK after six and a half years teaching in
Guangzhou. I am looking for work as a Supply Teacher here and have just been
informed by the Teacher Employment Bureau that I will need a Criminal Record
Report from the police in China.

Does anyone know where I would write or email to, to get this?

Dewi
>>>>>>

Hmmm....This is a first. I would try your last FAO and, I guess, the records
would have to come from the local PSB
where you were working. Without sounding negative I think this would probably
fall thru the China beaurocratic cracks.
Would not recommendation letters from your schools suffice? �Good luck and let
us know what happens?

Don

I don't know if anyone can help.


I have just returned home to the UK after six and a half years teaching in
Guangzhou. I am looking for work as a Supply Teacher here and have just been
informed by the Teacher Employment Bureau that I will need a Criminal Record
Report from the police in China.

Does anyone know where I would write or email to, to get this?

Many thanks

Dewi

>I want to know if anyone has experience
>working with the chinese cultural center?

China is a big place :-)

What is 'the chinese cultural center' ???
which city?
which province?
what name?

China probably has a hundred cultural centers, apart from the renewed
Confucian Centres.. it's a bit like asking, has anyone worked with Lions
CLubs?

Dave Nevin, in Qinghai

Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...> wrote:

>  >  The "L" visa is a 12 month multiple entry visa but only good for a 60 day
stay.
>  >  So, I gather I would have to leave every 60 days.
>  ...
>  >  Are there restrictions where I would have to go?  Would Hong Kong
>  > or Macao serve the purpose?
>
> Yes, or Jinmen, Taiwan-controlled but a short ferry ride from Xiamen.
> There's another Taiwan-controlled island near Fuzhou.

Those may work if you have one of the must-leave-every-60-days visas.

They are not useful if you need to get a new visa. There is no Chinese
visa office on the islands. You'd have to continue to Tapei for that, and
if you're going to do that, Hong Kong is likely easier.

Also, there are restrictions. A friend tried to get on the ferry from
Mawei (a suburb of Fuzhou) and was told there's a list of 25
countries allowed to use the route and his (South Africa) was not
on the list. They would not let him buy the ticket. I do not know
which countries are allowed.

I am preparing to work in China in 2010. I want to know if anyone has experience
working with the chinese cultural center?

Mary

Thanks for all the help and  suggestions.  My visa agency told me only the 12
mo, 60 day visa was all that was available.  $130 for the visa (US), $29 for the
service.

This is certainly not the best situation.  If I could find schools without the
age restrictions it would suit me fine, as would a HK, "Z" visa.  Certainly I
prefer to be legal...  meanwhile...

Thanks

Josh

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Hello Jobbers!

I'm a highly qualified and experienced ESL professional, native speaker of
American English.  I am of Chinese descent. Thanks to some contacts, I have
greatly enjoyed doing several short teaching and training programs at
universities in mainland China and I was well received.

I am wondering if it is difficult for Asians to get an English  teaching
position in Taiwan. I'll be traveling there soon and might want to check it out.

E Chan

Certainly worth part of a lesson for that document, good discussion points.
Especially like how if you are female you are worth 10 points but a male is only
worth 5 points, sexism in reverse.
Gary

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Terence <terence_laoshi@...> wrote:

From: Terence <terence_laoshi@...>
Subject: (job) Re: Evaluation System Registration for Foreign experts
To: TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:19 AM

That really is a funny old self-qualifier SAFEA is operating.

http://www.china- tesol.com/ Jobs_with_ TEACH_CHINA/ Application_ for_TEACH_
CHINA__j/ CHINA_TEACH_ Self_Assessment/ china_teach_ self_assessment. html

On one hand, it's great to see that they're using modern practices to discourage
poor quality applications. That's most unusual for a Chinese organisation (and
not so common for western organisations, for that matter).

On the other hand, the points allocations ...

a) seem arbitrary or inconsistent in some areas. Business qualifications record
the highest points in one area; Computer degrees record higher value in another
(although only for a Masters; the undergrad degree has no additional leverage,
apparently).

b) are clearly discriminatory according to the China Labour Law implemented on
Jan 1st. 2008. Age, gender, nationality ... they're really kicking heads and
taking names.

I can't wait to use this in my HRM class this week.

Terence Egan

One of our list members sent me the following article because of my relationship
to the Hungzhou Univ of Sci & Tech (HUST) in Wuhan. Zhou Ji as the just
dismissed Minister of Edc in Beijing was the president of HUST till 03 when he
moved up to Minister Of Edc for all of the PRC.� As the article sumarizes he has
now fallen on hard times due to alleged corruption and questionable decisions
within the educational system of China. One can't help wonder if all these new
edicts we're hearing about re. new rules with F.Ts (job) is not some how fall
outs from this situation?

  Comments welcome?

Don

�
<<<<<<<<<<Sun Nov 1, 1:28 am ET
BEIJING� China's legislature has removed the country's unpopular education
minister amid a corruption scandal in a city he used to oversee and widespread
public dissatisfaction with the education system.
The executive committee of the national legislature dismissed Zhou Ji on
Saturday at the end of a routine meeting and promoted a deputy education
minister to replace him. In announcing the change late Saturday, the official
Xinhua News Agency gave no reason but said Zhou "will get a new appointment."
At 63, the American-educated Zhou was two years short of retirement and thus an
unlikely candidate for a job change.
The surprise move was the latest shift to roil a public education system that
Chinese traditionally idealize as a fair pathway to advancement but that has
been filled with problems �� from chronic underfunding at primary and secondary
levels to poor quality higher education.
Though many of the ills predate Zhou's rise to education minister six years ago,
he has come to be associated with them. When the legislature, the National
People's Congress, met last year to vote in a new Cabinet for a five-year term,
Zhou received the highest number of negative votes of any minister.
Zhou's removal comes just weeks after two senior administrators were arrested
for bribery at Wuhan University. While Zhou has not been publicly linked with
the scandal, he spent much of his career in Wuhan city working in the education
system and served as mayor for two years before being elevated to education
minister.
The corruption case at Wuhan University encapsulates many of the problems
Chinese universities are facing. Beijing began a rapid expansion of higher
education in the 1990s, pouring money into the system to create competitive
world-class schools and provide more spaces for children of a baby boom then
coming of university age.
Under that plan, Wuhan University merged with three other schools in 2000 and
began a 980 million yuan ($120 million) program to build new school buildings,
dormitories and housing for professors. The two arrested administrators were
accused of taking bribes related to the building boom.
China Newsweek, a state-run magazine, quoted Liu Qun, an anti-corruption
investigator for the Wuhan city government, as saying the Wuhan University
corruption was only "the tip of the iceberg." Around the same time, the
president of another university in Wuhan was detained for questioning, while the
head of a teacher's college in the southern city of Zhanjiang was arrested for
unspecified economic crimes.
Senior ministers such as Zhou are occasionally removed by the communist
leadership not for specific wrongdoing but to placate public opinion. In those
cases, the senior officials are usually reappointed to high positions after an
interlude out of the public spotlight.
Yuan Guiren was named as Zhou's replacement, Xinhua said.

end


�

>b) are clearly discriminatory according to the China Labour Law
>implemented on Jan
>1st. 2008. Age, gender, nationality ... they're really kicking heads and
>taking  names.

Speaking of the above, there's a clause that anyone contracted for 2 ?
consecutive years has automatic renewal thereafter...
Has any FET tried to pull this one?

(maybe the number 2 is wrong, but it's not very high)

Dave Nevin

That really is a funny old self-qualifier SAFEA is operating.

http://www.china-tesol.com/Jobs_with_TEACH_CHINA/Application_for_TEACH_CHINA__j/\
CHINA_TEACH_Self_Assessment/china_teach_self_assessment.html

On one hand, it's great to see that they're using modern practices to discourage
poor quality applications. That's most unusual for a Chinese organisation (and
not so common for western organisations, for that matter).

On the other hand, the points allocations ...

a) seem arbitrary or inconsistent in some areas. Business qualifications record
the highest points in one area; Computer degrees record higher value in another
(although only for a Masters; the undergrad degree has no additional leverage,
apparently).

b) are clearly discriminatory according to the China Labour Law implemented on
Jan 1st. 2008. Age, gender, nationality ... they're really kicking heads and
taking names.

I can't wait to use this in my HRM class this week.

Terence Egan

My husband and I have taught at SUE several times and they've asked me to assist
finding some teachers. Please respond to the email provided re the position and
to me with misc questions. Typically their salaries have been low but we found
cost of living low as well.

Nancy, US

Shijiazhuang University of Economics needs 1-2 English teachers from English
speaking countries for 2009/2010 academic year.
Qualifications: BA/BS degree or MA/MS degree or TESOL certificate, age 26-60 in
good health, couples and those with teaching experience are preferred.
Task: "Oral English, Culture of English Speaking Countries".
Working load:� 12-20 teaching hours a week.
Pay and other conditions: Monthly salary 3300-5000 CNY.
Housing: Free furnished flat, including living room, kitchen(cooking
facilities), bathroom, refrigerator, air conditioner, TV, telephone (pay own
telephone fees), computer with ADSL and the same medical care as local faculty
members provided by the university.
Airfare: One way economic international air ticket upon completion of  one
semester and a round-trip ticket for an academic year contract.
�
If you are interested in the vacancies or need more information, please contact:
Ms.Yibin Liao
Foreign Affairs Office, Shijiazhuang University of Economics
136 Huai�fan East Road, Shijiazhuang, Hebei 050031, China
Tel/Fax: +86-311-85882537
E-mail: yibin608@...

OK.. at the end of the day it is still ILLEGAL to work as a teacher on "F" visa.
The may have let you work for them, but you can bet they paid some one off.

Here in Shanghai the rules  have changed for expert certifice. Had a teacher
who had taught in China 3 years ago, went back home, then wanted to return.. if
they showed their Chinese work experience here, they had to have a letter of
release from former employer and Residency permit.  They could not get realese
letter. Got rejected.. rules in Shanghai change at the drop of a hat..
NOW if no TEFL, must have 2 years of full time CONTINIUOS teaching experience
in a structured school.. no part-time, no tutoring, no F visa experience
counts..

The gov is also cracking down on schools that attempt to hire F visa teachers..
fine the school up to 50, 000 RMB, fine the teacher  5000 and ask them to leave
within 10 days.. no detention time.. 2nd offence for teacher... house of
detention.. 10 days.. go home.. no coming back to china 5 years..
Leslie Warren
JX Learning
China

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:
From: sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...>
Subject: (job) Re: confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 5:31 PM

I'm still puzzled as well Don and frankly don't remember if I had all three of
the documents that you listed. We had documents sent to us and at that point
were told to go ahead and apply for the visa. And yes, we requested Z.

Nancy, US

--- In TEFLChinaJob@ yahoogroups. com, Don williamson <willdon13@. ..> wrote:
>
> Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?
>  
> 1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify
"Z" visa request?
>  
> 2) Did you have the three documents attached ?  Invite letter, PSB form and
the presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never
figured out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.

I'm still puzzled as well Don and frankly don't remember if I had all three of
the documents that you listed. We had documents sent to us and at that point
were told to go ahead and apply for the visa. And yes, we requested Z.

Nancy, US

--- In TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com, Don williamson <willdon13@...> wrote:
>
> Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?
> �
> 1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify
"Z" visa request?
> �
> 2) Did you have the three documents attached�?��Invite letter, PSB form and
the presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never
figured out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.
> �

>It's a pity no one at the Embassy suggested or offered a **6-month**
>multiple entry F visa ... mate of mine just got one within the past 2
>weeks, but in Hong Kong
>KTF
RAY

If you look in SCMP,the Hong Kong paper, agents advertise their ability to get
you visas for up to 3 years, multi-entry.
I dont know how they/the Embassy decides who's eligible. I got 3 months
multi, for NZ passport, 3 hour service, plus a couple of Guiness at the
outside cafe while I waited.

Somewhere I still have the newspaper , rsvp if you want more details.

Dave Nevin

Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?
�
1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify
"Z" visa request?
�
2) Did you have the three documents attached�?��Invite letter, PSB form and the
presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never figured
out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.
�
As a side note to�other listers: If you come to teach in China on one of the
'Camp Programs,'� You would do so on an "F" visa and only the invite letter is
needed. In this case you don't recieve official work salary nor need�open a bank
account but rather are paid a cash stipend. Also, we came on an "L" visa for
these programs when pre-post touring was set up as part of the deal. This was
all handled by an agent here in the U.S.

But...as we all know...things change with time and place.

Don�

--- On Mon, 11/2/09, sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:
�
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:

> You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
> visa.� I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.�

Just for the record, last year my husband and I worked at top ranking university
on a Fall semester contract, with an F visa. It was issued to us by the Chinese
Consulate here in the US from an application accompanied by an official Chinese
invitation to teach.

Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry
visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.

Nancy, US

It's a pity no one at the Embassy suggested or offered a **6-month** multiple
entry F visa ... mate of mine just got one within the past 2 weeks, but in Hong
Kong

KTF
RAY

--- In TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com, "sewbirdchina" <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:
>
>
> Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry
visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.
>
> Nancy, US
>

> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:

> You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
> visa.� I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.�

Just for the record, last year my husband and I worked at top ranking university
on a Fall semester contract, with an F visa. It was issued to us by the Chinese
Consulate here in the US from an application accompanied by an official Chinese
invitation to teach.

Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry
visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.

Nancy, US

I always think "cannot" is a very strong word.
�
Calum Sutherland

"I dare do all that may become a man,
who dares do more is none"

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:


From: Ria Smit <tryria@...>
Subject: (job) Re: confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 4:22 AM


You could try working on an "F" visa.
--------------
You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
visa.� I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.� The law says up
to 10 students at a time "in your own home" does not need
registration.� Neither can you employ another teacher.

I enrol for a year and put the money in a separate account from which
I withdraw money as I have taught the lessons.� Currently I have 46
primary school children in 5 classes and I teach them all twice a
week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evenings and all day Saturday.� My
income is about equal to what I would get in a school but of course I
have to pay rent.� But it is nice to be free to do things my way.

May be difficult if you are new in China.� I have a long and good
reputation in my area and regularly have to send away extra students.

Side benefits: 46 pairs of parents willing to help me with whatever
need I have.� Currently they have organized all the renovations of the
flat that I have to move into and saved me all the hassles of dealing
with the workers and negotiating the costs.

Ria
--------------
Ria Smit, Zhengzhou, China
Phone:(0371) 6761 2725
Mobile: 13523091304
SKYPE: riacalling
www.yellowwattleenglish.com
www.betterphoto.com?englishteacherinchina
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triviality that happens to us,
and yet not good enough to recollect how often we have told it to the
same person?
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Hi Ria,

Just curious. Aren't you technically doing business already by enrolling the
students for a year and taking tuition and spending them as they become due and
compensated for?

Will it not be easier to just put up an English learning center legally as a
business and apply for a permanent residency?

Anybody else that can input some ideas on the feasibility of putting up an
English learning center in China and what it entails?

Thanks,
Weedy





________________________________
From: Ria Smit <tryria@...>
To: TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:22:43 PM
Subject: (job) Re: confusion


You could try working on an "F" visa.
------------ --
You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
visa.  I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.  The law says up
to 10 students at a time "in your own home" does not need
registration.  Neither can you employ another teacher.

I enrol for a year and put the money in a separate account from which
I withdraw money as I have taught the lessons.  Currently I have 46
primary school children in 5 classes and I teach them all twice a
week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evenings and all day Saturday.  My
income is about equal to what I would get in a school but of course I
have to pay rent.  But it is nice to be free to do things my way.

May be difficult if you are new in China.  I have a long and good
reputation in my area and regularly have to send away extra students.

Side benefits: 46 pairs of parents willing to help me with whatever
need I have.  Currently they have organized all the renovations of the
flat that I have to move into and saved me all the hassles of dealing
with the workers and negotiating the costs.

Ria




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Here is the info from a school in Shanghai

There have been some new requirements in regards to the issuing of a Expert
Teaching certificate by the local Foreign Affairs office. They will only
recognize TEFL with 120+ course hours, the short programs will no longer be
recognized unless the candidate has 2 years of related teaching experience. On
line TEFL are not recognized unless teacher has Two years teaching in addition
to the certificate. PART time teaching, teaching while in school, volunteer
teaching, one-on-one,�and private tutoring no long count as related experience.
No fresh college grads unless they meet the above requirements.

Our school prefers kids teaching experience, we have hired many teachers over
the last 12 months and those with adults only experience are having difficulty
coping with the kids as well as the parents.

If the candidate has had ANY teaching experience in China, they must have a
release letter from their former employer saying they have successful completed
their contract. MUST�be original with red chop. Must furnish our school with
documents about having a clean police record and must be able to pass physical.
If for ANY reason they do not issue expert or residency permit, contract is
terminated immediately.

Additionally we will check references with their former employer via phone. We
will need the names of their direct supervisor. We are a drug free environment
and the candidate will be tested for drug use during the physical, this is
standard operating procedure for the Shanghai government.

Leslie Warren
JX Learning
China

--- On Sun, 11/1/09, Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...> wrote:


From: Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...>
Subject: Re: (job) L Visa confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 8:07 PM

On 10/12/09, David Fricks <davidmf00@hotmail. com> wrote:

> It seems my age kicks me out of most "Z" visa jobs.

Best course would be to look for one that is not part of that "most".
A recent thread discusses which provinces do or don't enforce
the over 60 restriction. Check the archives.

> The "L" visa is a 12 month multiple entry visa but only good for a 60 day
stay.
> So, I gather I would have to leave every 60 days.

90-day one entry tourist visas are easily obtained in HK.

> Are there restrictions where I would have to go? Would Hong Kong
> or Macao serve the purpose?

Yes, or Jinmen, Taiwan-controlled but a short ferry ride from Xiamen.
There's another Taiwan-controlled island near Fuzhou.

Suzi asked:
> ...can anyone list the countries that don't have age restrictions?

For anyone who is interested in discussing employment in a variety of countries,
TESLJob (full disclosure: it's also my Yahoogroup) has members representing a
larger portion of the world:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TESLJob

Karen

Karen Stanley
http://karen.stanley.people.cpcc.edu
Central Piedmont Community College
Charlotte, North Carolina, USA

You could try working on an "F" visa.
--------------
You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
visa.  I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.  The law says up
to 10 students at a time "in your own home" does not need
registration.  Neither can you employ another teacher.

I enrol for a year and put the money in a separate account from which
I withdraw money as I have taught the lessons.  Currently I have 46
primary school children in 5 classes and I teach them all twice a
week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evenings and all day Saturday.  My
income is about equal to what I would get in a school but of course I
have to pay rent.  But it is nice to be free to do things my way.

May be difficult if you are new in China.  I have a long and good
reputation in my area and regularly have to send away extra students.

Side benefits: 46 pairs of parents willing to help me with whatever
need I have.  Currently they have organized all the renovations of the
flat that I have to move into and saved me all the hassles of dealing
with the workers and negotiating the costs.

Ria
--------------
Ria Smit, Zhengzhou, China
Phone:(0371) 6761 2725
Mobile: 13523091304
SKYPE: riacalling
www.yellowwattleenglish.com
www.betterphoto.com?englishteacherinchina
***********************************
Why is it that our memory is good enough to retain the least
triviality that happens to us,
and yet not good enough to recollect how often we have told it to the
same person?
                             -- Francois de La Rochefoucauld  (1613-1680)

On 10/12/09, David Fricks <davidmf00@...> wrote:

>  It seems my age kicks me out of most "Z" visa jobs.

Best course would be to look for one that is not part of that "most".
A recent thread discusses which provinces do or don't enforce
the over 60 restriction. Check the archives.

>  The "L" visa is a 12 month multiple entry visa but only good for a 60 day
stay.
>  So, I gather I would have to leave every 60 days.

90-day one entry tourist visas are easily obtained in HK.

>  Are there restrictions where I would have to go?  Would Hong Kong
> or Macao serve the purpose?

Yes, or Jinmen, Taiwan-controlled but a short ferry ride from Xiamen.
There's another Taiwan-controlled island near Fuzhou.

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Its amazing the number of people that support ageism. Old age comes to all.
�
You could try working on an "F" visa.
Look into more details about L, F and Z visas.
I would have thought if you avoid Shanghai (which is not a nice place to work
anyway) you may not have major problems.
And do NOT be discouraged by the E-Pat "experts" in China.
�
Calum Sutherland

"I dare do all that may become a man,
who dares do more is none"

--- On Wed, 10/28/09, gary mayne <garymayne1@...> wrote:


From: gary mayne <garymayne1@...>
Subject: Re: (job) Re: L Visa confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:03 PM


David
The purpose you intend to use the L visa, which is to work in China, is illegal.
You are not permitted to work on a tourist visa, among other problems that could
arise how will you register your place of residence with the PSB.

No offense intended here, but would it not be easier to pick a country that does
not have an age limit policy or a province that ignores it as some do.
Gary�

--- On Wed, 10/28/09, vicki_steven2005 <vicki_steven2005@...> wrote:

From: vicki_steven2005 <vicki_steven2005@...>
Subject: (job) Re: L Visa confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:47 PM
���
Macau & HK certainly DO count as exit from China for visa purposes.� Many expats
in Zhuhai do this visa run monthly without problems.� During & immediately after
the Olympics, many schools were unable to sort out Z visas for new staff & so
the visa run was common until the PSB got its act together again.� Some stayed
as little as one hour in Macau before returning. Whether your employer will
accept it is a different matter.

Vicki

So, can anyone list the countries that don't have age restrictions? I
know that Israel will allow you 27 months without an age restriction.
Any other country?

Suzi