Matthew, who was not competent in Hebrew or Aramaic, first used a Greek translation of an Aramaic source and "tweaked" it a bit to expand/explain certain...
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David Inglis
djino1
Dec 2, 2012 5:31 pm
The same argument would suggest that Marcion’s (shorter) version of the LP pre-dates the one in Lk, and if we had just Marcion’s gospel text (and not the...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Dec 2, 2012 4:25 pm
I think it is very likely, Will. I am convinced that Jesus was an Enochian, not a Mosaic, Jew. I think little brother Jimmy entered the fray after the ...
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will
willpenrhiw
Dec 2, 2012 10:33 am
There aren't any "You petitions or We petitions" in the prayers of Enoch and the Angel [found in 1 Enoch] either. The phrase "Hallowed be Thy name" occurs at...
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Jgibson
jgibson000
Nov 30, 2012 1:27 pm
... I can't seem to locate the article in my files.. JSTOR has only the first page of it available. Does anyone here has a scan of it? Jeffrey -- ... Jeffrey...
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David Mealand
D.Mealand@...
Nov 30, 2012 10:40 am
Though I was not wholly persuaded by the 1956 article by Leaney, I was surprised at the range of evidence he cited in favour of Gregory of Nyssa's variant, and...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
Nov 29, 2012 8:31 pm
Ken, You and I have access to the same data. Â And I'm sure you're aware that a standard interpretation of data like this is that it is more likely that Mt...
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Ken Olson
kaolson101
Nov 29, 2012 8:20 pm
Chuck, Ok. 80 is bigger than 25. And 80 is even more times greater than the 1 example I cited from Mk. 11.25. But could you explain what would suggest to you...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
Nov 29, 2012 7:32 pm
Ken, By very, very quick count, Mt uses heaven just under 80 times to Lk's 25. Â I didn't check Mk because of its shorter overall length. Â Much of the...
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Ken Olson
kaolson101
Nov 29, 2012 6:44 pm
... I don't see how either of these points makes the case. A later text could either expand or abridge an earlier one (see Charlesworth The Lord's Paryer and...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Nov 29, 2012 4:34 pm
... Willker has been a sometimes member of the XTalk (and Synoptic-L?) email groups. Perhaps he can be enticed to comment. Bob Schacht Northern Arizona...
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David Inglis
djino1
Nov 29, 2012 3:52 pm
As Marcion has been mentioned WRT Lk 11:2, I think I should add this quote from Klinghardt, where he is investigating “the major examples where Luke seems to...
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Jgibson
jgibson000
Nov 29, 2012 12:50 pm
... Fascinating. Thanks! If the variant is original, it gives a new sense to the aim of the LP (keeping the disciples from apostasy) . And it shows, to my...
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Keith Yoder
keith_yoder
Nov 29, 2012 12:36 pm
There is a nice online summary of this variant in Wieland Willker's Luke volume of textual commentary, pages 295-296. He also cites the Leaney article as...
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Jgibson
jgibson000
Nov 28, 2012 8:44 pm
... I believe I have. But my copy of the article is buried somewhere! Jeffrey -- ... Jeffrey B. Gibson D.Phil. Oxon. 1500 W. Pratt Blvd Chicago, IL ...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
Nov 28, 2012 6:31 pm
Jeffrey, I don't have a USB handy to glance at the external evidence, but a look at the internal evidence would suggest "May your holy spirit come upon us and...
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David Mealand
D.Mealand@...
Nov 28, 2012 6:30 pm
Jeffrey, you have probably already seen Leaney, R., Nov.T. 1.2 (1956) 103-111. Far from recent, but it puts the case, and cites a lot of relevant evidence for...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Nov 28, 2012 6:05 pm
... How about another alternative? That these two versions are both original, but with different factions within the followers of Jesus? e.g., between the...
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Jgibson
jgibson000
Nov 28, 2012 3:28 pm
As many of you know, a small number of witnesses to the text of Lk. 11:2 testify that the second petition in the Lukan version of the version of the LP read...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Nov 16, 2012 12:23 am
Please excuse. I'm testing my mail system. Bob Schacht Northern Arizona University [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Nov 15, 2012 11:53 pm
Please excuse. I'm testing my mail system. Bob Schacht Northern Arizona University [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Dennis
ddcanne
Nov 13, 2012 7:28 pm
Chuck, yes there was analytical work, but what was it based upon? It seems to me it was based on the idea that Luke and Matt, in order to have so much the same...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Nov 13, 2012 6:16 pm
To: Synoptic On: Scholarship From: Bruce We had this rather cryptic remark from Chuck Jones: Chuck: Your remarks do help me get a bigger picture of your...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
Nov 13, 2012 2:01 pm
Bruce, Thanks for addressing J and P for me. Your remarks do help me get a bigger picture of your approach to the scholarship of others. Separately,...
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Jgibson
jgibson000
Nov 13, 2012 12:28 pm
Apologies for cross posting Please come to the 16th annual E-Lister's Meeting at the the Society of Biblical Literature's Annual Meeting in Chicago. This...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Nov 13, 2012 3:07 am
To: Synoptic In Response To: David Inglis On: Greatness From: Bruce David raised several interesting questions of method. Herewith my first thoughts, if only...
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David Inglis
djino1
Nov 13, 2012 1:14 am
Recent references to Michael Goulder have led me to crystallize some thoughts regarding scholars that have gone before us. In particular, how much weight...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Nov 12, 2012 8:12 pm
To: Synoptic In Reluctant Response To: Chuck Jones On: Genesis From: Bruce I had thought to ignore Chuck's other insulting remark, but he insists on it. Here...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Nov 12, 2012 5:50 pm
To: Synoptic In Response To: Ron Price On: Q Etc From: Bruce Another response to my recent summary of the position with regard to potential witnesses to a...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
Nov 12, 2012 5:21 pm
Bruce, I believe despite the word count of your post, you did not address J and P. I invite you to do that. Chuck Jones Atlanta, Georgia Sent from my iPhone ...
