Ron and Joe, Last night my wife and I watched the movie "Hurricane." Â It started with this disclaimer: Â "While this is a true story, some composite...
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Ron Price
ron18price
May 18, 2010 1:12 pm
... Joe, He probably believed this as a consequence (directly or indirectly) of Paul's preaching. Therefore his belief that Jesus had been raised does not ...
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David Mealand
D.Mealand@...
May 18, 2010 11:35 am
Hm. Don't think you can call on Paul to back what is not wholly clear even in Mark. Paul only says "was raised". Jewish views in the Tanach and post Tanach...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
May 17, 2010 7:52 pm
Joe, Great points. Of course, being close to a thing doesn't make the thing true, or one's report true. Today's Mormons are awfully close to the story of...
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Jeff Peterson
jepetersonphd
May 17, 2010 6:30 pm
One further point on this: Paul reports that he and everyone else recognized as an apostle of Christ preached that Jesus "was buried" and "raised from the dead...
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Weaks, Joe
jweaks
May 17, 2010 5:57 pm
Chuck, Well, that would be a poor argument indeed, if that is the implication of what I said earlier. It seems certain to me that Mark believed what he wrote...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
May 17, 2010 5:24 pm
Joe, What I hear you saying is that we know this story is factual because the author is sharing his beliefs with us. Â That would be an interesting standard to...
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Jeff Peterson
jepetersonphd
May 17, 2010 1:57 pm
Seems to me that 1:11 does fine all by itself establishing υἱός [θεοῦ] as the principal category under which the person of Jesus will be presented. ...
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Dennis Goffin
dennis_goffin
May 17, 2010 9:33 am
The problem with the following statement "We make it only six words in before being told Jesus is the υἱός θεοῦ"! is that these words are not found...
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Weaks, Joe
jweaks
May 17, 2010 2:50 am
Well, not really. The Jesus throughout Mark is not the living Jesus, or the dying Jesus, but the Jesus that has been raised. The whole tale is to tell of Jesus...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
May 17, 2010 2:23 am
Joe, To say 16:1-8 is fictional is not to say it is unintegrated or an afterthought for Mk, or a later appendage. Â I personally think it is a brilliant...
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Weaks, Joe
jweaks
May 17, 2010 1:46 am
I agree with Jeff. (~shiver~) It is problematic to treat 16:1-8 as some artifact that can be treated notwithstanding the whole of Mark. It really is a tight...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
May 17, 2010 1:46 am
Jeff, I'm not sure how that changes my comments. Could you elaborate? Rev. Chuck JonesAtlanta, Georgia ... From: Jeff Peterson <peterson@...> ...
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Jeff Peterson
jepetersonphd
May 16, 2010 7:42 pm
The angel declares that the crucified Jesus "is not here; he has been raised" (Mark 16:6). In light of 6:14, 16; 9:9, and 12:18ff, that describes a physical...
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Chuck Jones
chuckjonez
May 16, 2010 7:29 pm
Dennis, Excellent comments. I think it is no accident that Mk does not have Jesus appear to anyone at the tomb. Rather, the young man there predicts...
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Dennis Goffin
dennis_goffin
May 16, 2010 11:19 am
Rereading Goulder on the two missions, I am struck by his explanation for the above. He says, effectively, that it is Mark's attempt to explain why no one...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
May 8, 2010 5:04 pm
David, Thanks for the additional examples; it all helps in consciousness raising. Those who write under censorship (Soviet and other) probably offer still...
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David Mealand
D.Mealand@...
May 8, 2010 11:38 am
Kloppenborg cites Pliny (Ep.3.15; 5.3) for this kind of practice - (reading a work to a group of friends and then revising it), in a well documented section of...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
May 8, 2010 8:10 am
To: WSW Cc: Synoptic On: Text Formation Before Publication From: Bruce Those interested in Text Typology (and my apologies to those who found the link to the...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
May 5, 2010 5:26 am
To: WSW Cc: Synoptic On: Hazlitt From: Bruce HAZLITT Speaking of Hazlitt, it is good to pull that book from one's overcoat pocket when becalmed at airport or...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
May 4, 2010 6:45 pm
To: Synoptic Cc: WSW, GPG In Response To: David Mealand From: Bruce No detailed reply seems necessary. As far as I am aware, the general tendency in this...
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David Mealand
D.Mealand@...
May 4, 2010 5:32 pm
I am not quite sure quite what the accusation of people being "anti-accretionist" is directed at. There are plenty of NT scholars who hold that further letters...
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Jeff Peterson
jepetersonphd
May 1, 2010 7:49 pm
Bruce, This'll have to do as my last contribution on this thread; thanks for the interesting exchange. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:33 AM, E Bruce Brooks ... ...
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Ron Price
ron18price
May 1, 2010 3:27 pm
... Jeff and Bruce, Both the old 'Proto-Mark' which often used to be posited as a part of the Two-Source Theory to explain the Minor Agreements, and the old...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Apr 30, 2010 7:33 am
To: Synoptic Cc: GPG In Response To: Jeff Peterson On: Minear on John 21 From: Bruce JEFF: I think your characterization of Minear's case as "simply an ...
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Jeff Peterson
jepetersonphd
Apr 30, 2010 6:04 am
Bruce, I think your characterization of Minear's case as "simply an argument for accepting the entire canonical NT in a reverent manner" is an utter misread. ...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Apr 30, 2010 5:41 am
To: Synoptic Cc: WSW In Response To: Jeff Peterson On: John 21 From: Bruce JEFF: Paul Minear (in a 1983 JBL essay) and Richard Bauckham (most recently in...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Apr 30, 2010 4:48 am
To: WSW Cc: Synoptic, GPG On: Pentateuch and the Higher Criticism From: Bruce As a pendant and qualification to my earlier remark about the reception of the...
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Jeff Peterson
jepetersonphd
Apr 30, 2010 4:28 am
One one point mentioned below: Paul Minear (in a 1983 JBL essay) and Richard Bauckham (most recently in *Jesus and the Eyewitnesses*, pp. 364ff) make a strong...
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E Bruce Brooks
ebrucebrooks
Apr 30, 2010 3:58 am
To: WSW Cc: Synoptic, GPG In Response To: Owen Lock On: Accretion [This exchange seems to have migrated from a missent private message to the open list....
