But don't you see, Dave? You have just described the difference between an orator in an oral society versus a literate society. A good speaker/teacher ...
Jack, One problem with all of this might come down to fist principles and how we are approaching these questions in the first place. But without having that...
To: Synoptic In Unsolicited Reply To: Chuck Jones On: The Time Depth of Mark From: Bruce We had a statement and a counterquestion. I here give a merely...
Bruce, First, How would time fix these things? If Mk was written in three days or thirty years, the final editor allowed all of these things to pass. ...
Chuck, It was the "extending up to about 70 AD" part that I was questioning. I don't have very firm ideas as to when the development started and finished. I am...
Chuck, For my part, it is hard to see how any other process than a single author (individual or corporate) over time could produce the features Bruce refers...
To: Synoptic Cc: WSW, GPG In Response To: Chuck Jones On: The Time Depth of Mark From: Bruce Chuck made what to me are some curious responses to my criteria...
Dave, My assumption is that a synoptic author used sources and had precious little physical writing material available to him. It is not unlikely at...
Bruce, By synoptic process, I simply mean an author submitting himself to the compostional constraints demonstrated by Mt, Mk and Lk, rather than the free...
Chuck, On the other hand you have not seen the numerous (quite numerous) examples where the text reads with more continuity both in theme and form when part of...
Dave, Seems to me that you are simply describing different sources, and that the phenomenon would be true whether the sources were intertwined all at once...
To: Synoptic In Response To: Chuck Jones On: Synoptic Constraints From: Bruce CHUCK: By synoptic process, I simply mean an author submitting himself to the...
Chuck, No, not different sources, but again you'd have to see the examples. And besides, not everyone can have used a source, somebody had to be the first to...
Dave, Someone did have to be first. Mk shows no evidence of having been that author. Could you elaborate on your dismissal of the idea that Mk's use of...
Without examples, I have no way to convince you, so this discussion is probably not going to be productive at this time. The most that could be established is...
To: Synoptic On: Synoptic Constraints From: Bruce I am completely puzzled by Chuck's recent reply. Completely. Let me work back up the series and try to show...
David, I know you've pointed us to a website in the past; is there somewhere I can look at the examples you're referring to? Second, imagine for a moment...
Bruce, Tortured posts like these are why, for me anyway, conversing with you is a secondary goal to conversing with others in the group. In this case,...
For what it's worth, Perhaps it is the perception of Mark as a religious document (indeed to many a "sacred" document) as opposed to a piece of literature that...
Actually, perceptions around the sacred nature of the gospels caused many to reject sources and explain away the synoptic problem, since that level of human...
Chuck, What we have in common, according to the plain sense of your most recent words on the subject, is that the passage of time is an important factor in the...
To: Synoptic In Response To: Jack Kilmon On: Mark and Thomas From: Bruce Speaking of Mark's transcripts of Peter's preaching, Jack suggested: JACK: I think...
Bruce, What I would enjoy doing is have a conversation in which our word counts were roughly equal, and you were as interested in my perspectives as you are...
Yes, Chuck, what you say is absolutely true. I would say, however, that the quasi-scientific disassembly of the (gospel) literature in order to find...
Chuck wrote: I know you've pointed us to a website in the past; is there somewhere I can look at the examples you're referring to? Dave: The constraint I'm...
Chuck, The constraint I'm under is that Bruce has a small group set up to work toward the publication of a book on this idea. So, I've seen pre-publication...
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