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PLEASE NOTE: ALL of this that is written here is completely in my own words,
possibly many things may be erroneous, incomplete, misunderstood by me
and absolutely, absolutely unofficial. In any case, I am the only person
to be blamed for any possible inaccuracy of my memory.

I asked Sri Chinmoy if he would explain the essence or the
quintessence of Beethoven, as opposed to the essence of Bach. I
explained to him that both composers have inspired me tremendously in
my life, but I was wondering if he could explain how two such great
composers could be so different. I also asked Sri Chinmoy if
spiritual seekers could make progress by listening to these two composers.

Sri Chinmoy began his response with a rhetorical question, asking if
anyone in the world knew less about these things than he does. He
paused for a few seconds and then added, "My mind does not understand,
but my heart appreciates it [their music]".

He said that when he listens to Beethoven he feels that his music is
like a fully blossomed tree: branches, leaves, flowers, fruits. But
then thunder comes and the tree is shaking- but the tree is not coming
apart. And all the branches are moving, moving, moving- each branch
is moving in a different way, but the branches are not fighting.

He explained this analogy by saying that in Beethoven there is unity
and complexity at the same time- like a fully blossomed tree. The
thunder, which shakes the tree, is Beethoven's unparalleled musical
capacity. And the branches are moving, each branch moves in its own
way, but they are not in conflict with each other. In other words,
inside Beethoven's complexity he was able to preserve unity. With
most composers and artists, once complexity comes, unity goes away.
But Beethoven was able to keep both at the same time.

He also said that because Beethoven was deaf, he had to get the music
from his inner eye, his third eye. Once he became deaf, he heard and
received the music through his third eye.

He then spoke about Bach. He said that prayer-life was a very
important part of Bach's personality, and that he appreciates Bach
spiritual depth. He said that he does not find simplicity in
Beethoven's music, but that Bach's work is simple and yet very, very
deep. I think he said that we can dive deep, deep, deep into Bach's
music. I also think he said that inside Bach's music there are
prayers, that he imbued his music with a prayerful consciousness.

He then said that if we use our heart we will say that oneness is the
only reality, and that we don't have to judge these two composers, or
say which one we like better. But if we are completely honest with
ourselves then immediately we will know of whom we are most fond.

He then said that Beethoven is like a rose, and Bach is like a lotus.
And that a garden has so many flowers, and each flower is
indispensable to the glory and beauty of the whole garden, but the
gardener definitely knows which flower he likes most.

He then commented that Bach and Beethoven are like a flute and a drum-
again so often a flute can play the role of a drum, and a drum can
play the role of a flute.

So, that was, according to a possibly inaccurate memory,
Sri Chinmoy's answer in a nutshell.

I'd be really grateful if other people who had been there
would contribute what they remember of Sri Chinmoy's response. I was
standing right in front of Sri Chinmoy, but didn't really catch much
of what he said. Like Beethoven I can't hear very well. But I'm
quite happy not to open up my third eye at this stage in my spiritual
development! :)

I enjoyed Sri Chinmoy's kind and expansive answer to my question as I
also love Bach most. I'm not putting down Beethoven at all, on the contrary!
I'm just saying that Bach's music, especially his Passion music, contains some
of the most haunting devotional feeling I have heard anywhere. It
seems to come from another world entirely. I think any seeker from
any path would benefit from listening to Bach.

Thanks for the opportunity to share this, Prachar!

Morris






Wed Nov 8, 2006 2:09 am

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Dear Morris I understand you are a bit of a fan of the music of J. S. Bach and L. van Beethoven. I am wondering whether you might ever have had the opportunity...
one_prachar
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Nov 6, 2006
8:42 am

Hullo All, Yes, I -- and I'm sure many, many, many others -- am also very interested in hearing Sri Chinmoy's remarks. To tide us over in the meanwhile, may I...
prashphutita
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Nov 7, 2006
7:45 am

Yes Morris, do tell!...
johnji_nz
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Nov 7, 2006
9:23 am

PLEASE NOTE: ALL of this that is written here is completely in my own words, possibly many things may be erroneous, incomplete, misunderstood by me and...
morrisklein27
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Nov 8, 2006
9:26 pm

I may join in thank you for sharing your memories, Morris. I said more then two times here I am not a musician but think God gave me a good ear. I never had an...
cott_doris
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Nov 9, 2006
9:16 pm

Dear Morris, Thanks for offering your recollections of this answer to your question. I was present at that particular function and feel that you have summed up...
sharani_sharani
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Nov 9, 2006
9:21 pm

Thank you for this fascinating post, Morris - a rare treat to hear Sri Chinmoy's comparison of two musical luminaries. I have always loved Bach's music. Only...
sumangali_m
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Nov 14, 2006
2:21 pm

Thank you so much for your response, Sumangali. I like how you referred to the "bravery" "intensity" and "exquisite refinement" of Bach's Passion Music. You...
morrisklein27
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Nov 16, 2006
12:41 pm
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