See November 16 entry.
T.

http://www.jayantitamm.com/Links/blog.html

This story has just been released.  An Australian politician has criticised
Scientologists in parliament (US would call it congress).  Interesting parallels
with SCC.

Terra.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Xenophon attacks Church of Scientology

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon has used a speech in Parliament to raise
allegations of widespread criminal conduct within the Church of Scientology.

Senator Xenophon says he has received letters from former followers of the
religion detailing claims of crimes and abuses.

He says he has passed on the letters to the police and is calling for a Senate
inquiry into the religion and its tax exempt status.

"Do you want Australian tax exemptions to be supporting an organisation that
coerces its followers into having abortions? Do you want to be supporting an
organisation that defrauds, that blackmails, that falsely imprisons?" he asked.

"Because on the balance of evidence provided by victims of scientology you
probably are."

Senator Xenophon told Parliament the Church of Scientology is a criminal
organisation that hides behind its "so-called religious beliefs".

"The letters received by me which were written by former followers in Australia
contain extensive allegations of crimes and abuses that are truly shocking," he
said.

"Crimes against them and crimes they say they were coerced into committing.

"There are allegations of false imprisonment, coerced abortions and embezzlement
of church funds, of physical violence and intimidation, blackmail and the
widespread and deliberate abuse of information."

Senator Xenophon says the allegations are shocking.

"It is alleged that information about suspicious deaths and child abuse has been
destroyed and one follower has admitted that he was coerced by the organisation
into perjuring himself into deaths of his two daughters," he said.

"These victims of Scientology claim it is an abusive manipulative and violent
organisation."

In a statement, the Church of Scientology says Senator Xenophon has abused
Parliamentary privilege and is being pressured by disgruntled former members who
are unreliable witnesses.

Love and liberating peace to you.

I hear, that words are not the things. They just represent things.

Doesn't matter how many times I repeat the word WATER, I wont quench my thirst.

To me, Word Fights are fun, as long as I remember that they are sounds and
symbols. Words are limited and cant totally describe anything.

One human being cant be pictured or put into words, put into a book.

One experience of love is not the same as a poem about that experience.

I guess that we use a lot of words for practical reasons, but names and forms,
Nama and  Rupa, are  not the essence of things.They are like symbols, signaling
something.Even the shastras are  like fingers pointing to the moon.

A photo or a name cant have much value, unless you put some inner stuff into it,
or assign some value  or feeling to it.

Please comment or expand on these abstract word/thoughts about realty whenever
you can. Dont hurry, dont worry, be happy.

Shanti, all things most pass.

Namaste, Tat Twam Asi
Dronof/2009

"No we shall never know.

Do you mean "'Our Lord Beloved Supreme really is CKG?'"

Hi Subala, let me answer this question on behalf of Eamon, in case he doesn't.
He would quote something like this official translation of a song that the great
Shree made his disciples sing to him:

"Guru is Brahma the Creator.
Guru is Vishnu the Preserver.
Guru is Shiva the Transformer.
Guru is verily the visible Supreme Being.
I bow to that Guru."

Talk about conceit! Or self-delusion? Hard to tell...

Michael

--- goodoldpoohbear <goodoldpoohbear@...> schrieb am Di, 17.11.2009:

Von: goodoldpoohbear <goodoldpoohbear@...>
Betreff: [Sri_Chinmoy_Information] Re: ""Ice Cream O,scariot".........
An: Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com
Datum: Dienstag, 17. November 2009, 18:01







 









       (snip)

>

> Alas,

>

> We do not know

>

> And we shall never know

>

> How compassionate

>

> And how self-giving

>

> Our Lord Beloved Supreme

>

> Really is........CKG



No we shall never know.

Do you mean "Our Lord Beloved Supreme really is CKG?"



Why don't you go and confront this conviction of yours with some devotees of sai
baba. That would be interesting.

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

(snip)
>
> Alas,
>
> We do not know
>
> And we shall never know
>
> How compassionate
>
> And how self-giving
>
> Our Lord Beloved Supreme
>
> Really is........CKG


No we shall never know.
Do you mean "Our Lord Beloved Supreme really is CKG?"

Why don't you go and confront this conviction of yours with some devotees of sai
baba. That would be interesting.

A rose by any other name - makes the rose angry



Spelling a Rose  " wrose" will have immediate repercussions



Call me anything you want  .. But don't call me "late for supper"



The Zen Master ain't supposed to let anyone get under their skin



Eamon has every right to be stuck where he is for the next 10 thousand
lifetimes (I forget that I don't believe in reincarnation and/or life after
death)



To me, a traitor is someone who does not stand up for his inner beliefs.
Changing your mind about a person or an ideal because you have more
information is not being a traitor.



Treason only applies to betrayal of a COUNTRY. Ghose may be a lot of things,
but he never was a mass of land with borders.



Let it go, drop it, no one listens to Eamon, and no can change him







Been Spetcor (aka Kangel)















From: Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dukeofdharma
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:53 AM
To: Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Sri_Chinmoy_Information] Re: ""Ice Cream O,scariot".........







--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Sri_Chinmoy_Information%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:
>
>
> The time has come ladies and gentlemen for the bestowment of a new
> spiritual name for the moderator of this forum......his original name
> was Swadin i believe.....he humbly renamed himself the "Duke of
> Dharma".......i hereby scone him with a new spiritual name........
> ICECREAM O,SCARIOT
>
> From stock broker to ice cream man....from faithful to
> traitor...........was there any other choice????
>
> Eamon.....
>
> Alas,
>
> We do not know
>
> And we shall never know
>
> How compassionate
>
> And how self-giving
>
> Our Lord Beloved Supreme
>
> Really is........CKG
>

Listen good boy, I don't care what you say about me, but PLEASE make sure
you SPELL my name right, OK?

It's SWADHIN, with an H, not Swadin, Oy Oy Oy!!

And Gee, I'm sure as H*ll glad the self-giving Beloved Lord Supreme is so
compassionate.

Maybe this means that I WON'T be getting Downs Syndrome next incarnation as
Guru has apparently promised.

Boy oh boy is that ever Good News.

Phew!!

He really had me worried there for awhile.

Not.

Gary Escariot

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:
>
>
> The time has come ladies and gentlemen for the bestowment of a new
> spiritual name for the moderator of this forum......his original name
> was Swadin i believe.....he humbly renamed himself the "Duke of
> Dharma".......i hereby scone him with a new spiritual  name........
> ICECREAM O,SCARIOT
>
> From stock broker to ice cream man....from faithful to
> traitor...........was there any other choice????
>
> Eamon.....
>
> Alas,
>
> We do not know
>
> And we shall never know
>
> How compassionate
>
> And how self-giving
>
> Our Lord Beloved Supreme
>
> Really is........CKG
>


Listen good boy, I don't care what you say about me, but PLEASE make sure you
SPELL my name right, OK?

It's SWADHIN, with an H, not Swadin, Oy Oy Oy!!

And Gee, I'm sure as H*ll glad the self-giving Beloved Lord Supreme is so
compassionate.

Maybe this means that I WON'T be getting Downs Syndrome next incarnation as Guru
has apparently promised.

Boy oh boy is that ever Good News.

Phew!!

He really had me worried there for awhile.

Not.

Gary Escariot


>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The time has come ladies and gentlemen for the bestowment of a new
spiritual name for the moderator of this forum......his original name
was Swadin i believe.....he humbly renamed himself the "Duke of
Dharma".......i hereby scone him with a new spiritual  name........
ICECREAM O,SCARIOT

From stock broker to ice cream man....from faithful to
traitor...........was there any other choice????

Eamon.....

Alas,

We do not know

And we shall never know

How compassionate

And how self-giving

Our Lord Beloved Supreme

Really is........CKG



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:
>
>
> You are a lover of meditation
>
> That means you do believe
>
> In an inner world,
>
> For you have been there many, many times.
>
> If you get joy from that world,
>
> Your eagerness to meditate
>
> Will carry you far, farther, farthest
>
> Towards your destined goal. CKG
>
> >>

What complete bullshit!

Chinmoy didn't want you to meditate, unless you call staringly blindly and
longingly at his "Transcendental Picture" while offering to him and him alone,
all you have and all you are for HIS express purposes and NONE of your own.

That's not meditation, that's en-slave-ation, if you ask me.

Besides, who had time to meditate anyway?

Between running around putting up posters for Guru's next FREE concert, working
long hours in one of the "divine enterprises," shopping for gifts for Guru b/c
he had just lost another pound or two and there was going to be a big
celebration to honor this latest and greatest achievement that night, and making
sure you get your 7 mile daily run in, and blah blah blah etc. etc. WHO had time
to meditate?

Oh, and By The Way, IF your eagerness to meditate, good boy, has carried you SO
far, far, farthest, towards your destined goal(CKG "unofficial") then Why,
Whyer, Whyest are YOU and SO MANY of the rest of the blind beggar disciples
NOWHERE near that "destined goal"?

Please try to answer in rational and REASONABLE English sentences, good boy, and
not mere disciplespeak, the language of Ignorance Sea.

Bah! Bah!

Or should I say, Oy, Oy, Oy?


Gary, Garyer, Garyest


NNB

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "goodoldpoohbear"
<goodoldpoohbear@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, sure, a massive disinformation, why not?
> The grand tra-la-la of global paranoia. The shadow of GWB.
> Very good, good boy.
> But whatever you and others say, there will be at least
> a bunch of "girls" who will Know in the deepest depth of their conscience that
you are Wrong.
> And the flowery poetry of the guru won't help them.
> >>

Anybody can write flowery poetry, especially when they have a cadre of busy bee
disciples working feverishly searching through various reference books in order
to come up with high sounding or melodious hyphenated phrases for you to "build"
your short two or three line poems and aphorisms around.

Chinmoy got by with a little help from his friends for years, and in fact, never
could have written most of that flowery (and oft times EMPTY) drivel without
them.

Writing flowery poems is one thing.

Having real integrity, telling the truth and being real is quite another.

It's very easy to take the flowery poetry option and ignore the truth.

Hiding behind frilly and silly language is just another form of DENIAL, the True
Believers' mindless and automatic default position.

Real seekers?  No!

Real clones?  Si, si.  Y muy MUCHO tambien!!

Senor Gary (hey, where's that tilda when you need it?)

~  ah, there it is.

NNB


>
> --- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A case study in deception....
> >
> > Here,s the story...... you have  guy with a evil idea to seize control
> > with a wave of destruction......the plan is simple.....tell a great big
> > lie (wmd,s).......spread it around in the media......multiply
> > it.......sooner or later people start believing it....then it spreads...
> > all over the world....  whole governments join in....the UN gets
> > involved....its unstoppable............they threaten anyone who
> > challenges their version of the story.....................but not every
> > one believes the lie!.......cracks appear in the stories being spread
> > around..........the claims, the allegations being made are just way to
> > far feached to be true....... a few people start questioning the
> > lie.........they start questioning the people telling the lie......they
> > start questioning the motive of the people spreading the
> > propergander.........REVENGE!!!......PAYBACK!(for getting kicked off the
> > path)......DESTRUCTION for the purpose of control!.............
> >
> > " Be faithful to the fruitful...your loving soul.
> >
> > Be powerful to the unfaithful....your doubting mind"  CKG.
> >
> > www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com <http://www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Learn to use your intellectual brain Dave and not just blindly follow the bubble
heads on this site.....you add nothing of intellectual value to this forum ,
your just another rudderless boat Dave.
Oh.... and by the way..... Rich Navroth has just posted his second post over at
www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com   recalling some lovely early stories including
some of the guys who post on this forum....like Rudra.
Yours in eternal pleasantness
Eamon Eamon Eamon.

Like Gary said'using George Shrub as an example'well' it,s  WAAAAY too easy'old
mate. Here,s a thought. Take my earlier advice and write some croc stories for
the Darwin Times' or whatever it,s called up there' please?  You,d love it' and
they wouldn,t get pissed off over little annoyances. What,s a comma or
apostrophe gone astray here or there' between friends' that,s what I,d say.
That,s not a problem.Really it,s not.You,d be much happier,wouldn,t you ? I,ll
tell ya what' they,d hardly ever notice' would they?

Hi Eamon,  In your case study in deception I think you are missing the OBVIOUS
comparison, that of George and Chinmoy!!   Talk about someone trying to use
the media to spread his 'story', Chinmoy was rabid about it.  And now, the
cracks are beginning to appear in his 'story' as people who know the truth
because of THEIR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE DECEIVER  are coming forward to
reveal the lie. 

Eamon, calling these brave women who were victims of Chinmoy's sexual abuse
liers will, I believe, come back to haunt you.  Take a breath and think about
what you are doing, honouring and standing up for a man who is clearly being
revealed as a sexual predator and sociopath.

Lynn

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Eamon,s an indi ckger
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:

From: Eamon,s an indi ckger <srichinmoyindependant27@...>
Subject: [Sri_Chinmoy_Information] George Bush...a case study in deception.
To: Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, November 16, 2009, 6:54 AM







 











A case study in deception... .



Here,s the story...... you have  guy with a evil idea to seize control

with a wave of destruction. .....the plan is simple.....tell a great big

lie (wmd,s)..... ..spread it around in the media......multiply

it.......sooner or later people start believing it....then it spreads...

all over the world....  whole governments join in....the UN gets

involved.... its unstoppable. ......... ..they threaten anyone who

challenges their version of the story....... ......... .....but not every

one believes the lie!.......cracks appear in the stories being spread

around...... ....the claims, the allegations being made are just way to

far feached to be true....... a few people start questioning the

lie......... they start questioning the people telling the lie......they

start questioning the motive of the people spreading the

propergander. ........REVENGE! !!......PAYBACK! (for getting kicked off the

path)......DESTRUCT ION for the purpose of control!.... .........



" Be faithful to the fruitful...your loving soul.



Be powerful to the unfaithful.. ..your doubting mind"  CKG.



www.srichinmoyexpat riates.com <http://www.srichinm oyexpatriates. com>



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"I suppose the process of acceptance will pass through the usual four stages:

(i) this is worthless nonsense;
(ii) this is an interesting, but perverse, point of view;
(iii) this is true, but quite unimportant;
(iv) I always said so."

Journal of Genetics Vol. 58, page 464 (1963).


--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:
>
>
> A case study in deception....
>
> Here,s the story...... you have  guy with a evil idea to seize control
> with a wave of destruction......the plan is simple.....tell a great big
> lie (wmd,s).......spread it around in the media......multiply
> it.......sooner or later people start believing it....then it spreads...
> all over the world....  whole governments join in....the UN gets
> involved....its unstoppable............they threaten anyone who
> challenges their version of the story.....................but not every
> one believes the lie!.......cracks appear in the stories being spread
> around..........the claims, the allegations being made are just way to
> far feached to be true....... a few people start questioning the
> lie.........they start questioning the people telling the lie......they
> start questioning the motive of the people spreading the
> propergander.........REVENGE!!!......PAYBACK!(for getting kicked off the
> path)......DESTRUCTION for the purpose of control!.............
>
> " Be faithful to the fruitful...your loving soul.
>
> Be powerful to the unfaithful....your doubting mind"  CKG.
>
> www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com <http://www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

That's truly beautiful Subala!

Ian (Syandan)

--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "goodoldpoohbear"
<goodoldpoohbear@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, sure, we are lovers of meditation and we believe there is an inner world.
> Otherwise we would have spent all these years going to night-clubs and playing
poker.
> We also happen to be lovers of TRUTH.
>
> Here is another poem:
>
> You are a born-lover of Truth.
> For the sake of Truth,
> Keep your eyes open,
> Keep your ears open,
> Keep your heart open.
> For Truth is unpredictable,
> It may suddenly appear as very different
> From what you have always thought it to be,
> Even from what you have always felt.
> Truth may be unimaginable,
> It may be extremely painful.
> But without Truth
> All is darkness and deception.
> Truth says: accept what is,
> Or your life will be a lie.
> For Truth is light,
> Truth is Truth.
>
> That's from a poetess whose name I forgot.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You are a lover of meditation
> >
> > That means you do believe
> >
> > In an inner world,
> >
> > For you have been there many, many times.
> >
> > If you get joy from that world,
> >
> > Your eagerness to meditate
> >
> > Will carry you far, farther, farthest
> >
> > Towards your destined goal. CKG
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Yes, sure, a massive disinformation, why not?
The grand tra-la-la of global paranoia. The shadow of GWB.
Very good, good boy.
But whatever you and others say, there will be at least
a bunch of "girls" who will Know in the deepest depth of their conscience that
you are Wrong.
And the flowery poetry of the guru won't help them.


--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:
>
>
> A case study in deception....
>
> Here,s the story...... you have  guy with a evil idea to seize control
> with a wave of destruction......the plan is simple.....tell a great big
> lie (wmd,s).......spread it around in the media......multiply
> it.......sooner or later people start believing it....then it spreads...
> all over the world....  whole governments join in....the UN gets
> involved....its unstoppable............they threaten anyone who
> challenges their version of the story.....................but not every
> one believes the lie!.......cracks appear in the stories being spread
> around..........the claims, the allegations being made are just way to
> far feached to be true....... a few people start questioning the
> lie.........they start questioning the people telling the lie......they
> start questioning the motive of the people spreading the
> propergander.........REVENGE!!!......PAYBACK!(for getting kicked off the
> path)......DESTRUCTION for the purpose of control!.............
>
> " Be faithful to the fruitful...your loving soul.
>
> Be powerful to the unfaithful....your doubting mind"  CKG.
>
> www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com <http://www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yes, sure, we are lovers of meditation and we believe there is an inner world.
Otherwise we would have spent all these years going to night-clubs and playing
poker.
We also happen to be lovers of TRUTH.

Here is another poem:

You are a born-lover of Truth.
For the sake of Truth,
Keep your eyes open,
Keep your ears open,
Keep your heart open.
For Truth is unpredictable,
It may suddenly appear as very different
From what you have always thought it to be,
Even from what you have always felt.
Truth may be unimaginable,
It may be extremely painful.
But without Truth
All is darkness and deception.
Truth says: accept what is,
Or your life will be a lie.
For Truth is light,
Truth is Truth.

That's from a poetess whose name I forgot.




--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:
>
>
> You are a lover of meditation
>
> That means you do believe
>
> In an inner world,
>
> For you have been there many, many times.
>
> If you get joy from that world,
>
> Your eagerness to meditate
>
> Will carry you far, farther, farthest
>
> Towards your destined goal. CKG
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

A case study in deception....

Here,s the story...... you have  guy with a evil idea to seize control
with a wave of destruction......the plan is simple.....tell a great big
lie (wmd,s).......spread it around in the media......multiply
it.......sooner or later people start believing it....then it spreads...
all over the world....  whole governments join in....the UN gets
involved....its unstoppable............they threaten anyone who
challenges their version of the story.....................but not every
one believes the lie!.......cracks appear in the stories being spread
around..........the claims, the allegations being made are just way to
far feached to be true....... a few people start questioning the
lie.........they start questioning the people telling the lie......they
start questioning the motive of the people spreading the
propergander.........REVENGE!!!......PAYBACK!(for getting kicked off the
path)......DESTRUCTION for the purpose of control!.............

" Be faithful to the fruitful...your loving soul.

Be powerful to the unfaithful....your doubting mind"  CKG.

www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com <http://www.srichinmoyexpatriates.com>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You are a lover of meditation

That means you do believe

In an inner world,

For you have been there many, many times.

If you get joy from that world,

Your eagerness to meditate

Will carry you far, farther, farthest

Towards your destined goal. CKG



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:
>
> So you blindly think everything that comes out of peoples mouths, is the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth......lets look at 911.......try
this site   www.911truth.org
> George Bush,s plan for world domination...based on lies ( weapons of mass
destruction).....and how the whole world fell for it and fell into lock step
with the "war on terror"...
> Sorry...don't buy it.
> " The clever invitation of your doubting mind is another name for immediate
ruthlessness" CKG.
>

So, Eamon, dear good boy, you have been most quiet, most quiet indeed over at
Yogaloy's blogsite lately, especially after Bihagee's totally riveting, not to
mention, DEVASTING (to Guru's "celibate" reputation) account of her sexual
involvement with the Highest Avatar of All Time.

Slamming an obvious idiot and complete fool like George Bush is All Too Easy to
do.

What is HARD, especially for you and your type of blind beggars, is to face the
FACTS and the TRUTH of CKG's total fraudulence and absolute HYPOCRISY as far as
his being the ultimate CELIBATE Avatar.

Do you REALLY think that all these revelations by these long time and upstanding
female disciples are merely "the clever invitations" of their "doubting minds"
and are simply just more examples of "immediate ruthlessness"?

I mean, REALLY?

You really think that?

Oy, Oy, Oy!!

From where to where, good boy??

Whatever happened to your brain.

Is it completely fried??

I mean, I sympathize with you really.

Mine's a little fried too.

But still.........

Come on, get REAL willya??

Do you really think that Sundari and Bihagee are just making this stuff up to
destroy Guru's "World Wide Mission"?

Maybe you should ask Vishnu what the REAL scoop is, next time you see him.

Then again, on second thought, maybe NOT!

Gary

Excuse me, Eamon, but I think you are... how do you say that... blindy dumb. Are
you not able to feel the sincerity of those recent stories?



--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Eamon,s an indi ckger"
<srichinmoyindependant27@...> wrote:
>
> So you blindly think everything that comes out of peoples mouths, is the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth......lets look at 911.......try
this site   www.911truth.org
> George Bush,s plan for world domination...based on lies ( weapons of mass
destruction).....and how the whole world fell for it and fell into lock step
with the "war on terror"...
> Sorry...don't buy it.
> " The clever invitation of your doubting mind is another name for immediate
ruthlessness" CKG.
>

Hi Byron, I recently read Castaneda's THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY,  a part that
I love:  "What put you and me together," he went on, "was the intent of
infinity.  It is impossible to determine what this intent of infinity is, yet
it is there, as palpable as you and I are.  Scorcerers say that it is a tremor
in the air.  The advantage of sorcerers is to know that the tremor in the air
exists, and to acquiesce to it without any further ado.  For sorcerers, there's
no pondering, wondering, or speculating.  They know that all they have is the
possibility of merging with the intent of infinity, and they just do it."

But back years ago when we were all reading Castenada I also read Florinda
Donner, the female student of Don Juan Matus.  I thought her writing was much
more confident and focused, her journey was to me more powerful.  I often
wanted to grab Castaneda and shake him when he seemed to be missing the point of
what Don Juan was saying.

I just picked up SORCERER'S APPRENTICE; My life with Carlos Castaneda by Amy
Wallace.  the inside flap reads;"A love story, a cautionary tale, and a precise
account of stranger than fiction events, this memoir shows us Castaneda as he
was, and encourages the reader to reject the manipulations of a brilliant,
complex, but tragically flawed and jealous guru, in favor of the magic
within".  

Another tale of putting a man, a very charismatic man, but a man none the less,
on a pedistal.  Did he tell his followers that he was Avatar of the Era?  Who
knows!  I think it underlines the need to each be our own guru, taking wisdom
and experience where we find it.

All the best, Lynn

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Byron Black <englishcorrection@...> wrote:

From: Byron Black <englishcorrection@...>
Subject: [Sri_Chinmoy_Information] What affects me...
To: Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 6:02 PM







 









       I was always impressed by the fact that none of the voluminous writings of
our Guru (including, I now discover, more than a slice of purloined material)
affected me or gave me insights like the stories and quotes I encountered in
other (VERBOTEN) readings.



Like millions of others I was quite moved and uplifted by the writings of Carlos
Castaneda (how to do the damned tilde in Yahoo Mail, grrr), which I continued
blithely to read even after becoming a disciple and member of the SCC.



Castaneda may have mixed truth with lies (many allege this, including, when I
mentioned it to her, AD) but he certainly didn't invent the characters and
experience from whole cloth. Something profound and immense happened to the guy
without a doubt.



Is there anything more astounding than quotes like this, dredged at random from
Google:



"To seek freedom is the only driving force i know. Freedom to fly off into that
infinity out there. Freedom to dissolve; to lift off; to be like the flame of a
candle, which, in spite of being up against the light of a billion stars,
remains intact, because it never pretended to be more than what it is: a mere
candle."

Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)



We are a feeling, an awareness encased here.

Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)



It doesn't matter what one reveals or what one keeps to oneself. Everything we
do, everything we are, rests on our personal power. If we don't have enough
personal power the most magnificent piece of wisdom can be revealed to us and it
won't make a damn bit of difference.

Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)



Do you know at this very moment you are surrounded by eternity? And do you know
that you can use that eternity if you so desire?

Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)



it's better to get something worthwhile done using deception than to fail to get
something worthwhile done using truth.

Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)



Impeccability isnothing else but the proper use of energy - Don Juan (Carlos
Castaneda))

Inner silence works from the moment you begin to accrue it. What the old
sorcerers were after was the final dramatic, end result of reaching that
individual threshold of silence. Some very talented practitioners need only a
few minutes of silence to reach that coveted goal. Others, less talented, need
long periods of silence, perhaps more than one hour of quietude,before they
reach the desired result. The desired result is what the old sorcerers called
"stopping the world", the moment when everything around us ceases to be what
it's always been. This is the moment when sorcerers return to the TRUE nature of
man. The old sorcerers always called it "total freedom"

Don Juan (Carlos Castanada)



Just thought I'd mention this. Not that I want to wander off into the Sonoran
Desert and become a Yaqui sorcerer, not at this point, no. Heh heh.



bb



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So you blindly think everything that comes out of peoples mouths, is the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth......lets look at 911.......try this
site   www.911truth.org
George Bush,s plan for world domination...based on lies ( weapons of mass
destruction).....and how the whole world fell for it and fell into lock step
with the "war on terror"...
Sorry...don't buy it.
" The clever invitation of your doubting mind is another name for immediate
ruthlessness" CKG.

I was always impressed by the fact that none of the voluminous writings of our
Guru (including, I now discover, more than a slice of purloined material)
affected me or gave me insights like the stories and quotes I encountered in
other (VERBOTEN) readings.

Like millions of others I was quite moved and uplifted by the writings of Carlos
Castaneda (how to do the damned tilde in Yahoo Mail, grrr), which I continued
blithely to read even after becoming a disciple and member of the SCC.

Castaneda may have mixed truth with lies (many allege this, including, when I
mentioned it to her, AD) but he certainly didn't invent the characters and
experience from whole cloth. Something profound and immense happened to the guy
without a doubt.

Is there anything more astounding than quotes like this, dredged at random from
Google:

"To seek freedom is the only driving force i know. Freedom to fly off into that
infinity out there. Freedom to dissolve; to lift off; to be like the flame of a
candle, which, in spite of being up against the light of a billion stars,
remains intact, because it never pretended to be more than what it is: a mere
candle."
Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)

We are a feeling, an awareness encased here.
Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)

It doesn't matter what one reveals or what one keeps to oneself. Everything we
do, everything we are, rests on our personal power. If we don't have enough
personal power the most magnificent piece of wisdom can be revealed to us and it
won't make a damn bit of difference.
Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)

Do you know at this very moment you are surrounded by eternity? And do you know
that you can use that eternity if you so desire?
Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)

it's better to get something worthwhile done using deception than to fail to get
something worthwhile done using truth.
Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)

Impeccability isnothing else but the proper use of energy - Don Juan (Carlos
Castaneda))
Inner silence works from the moment you begin to accrue it. What the old
sorcerers were after was the final dramatic, end result of reaching that
individual threshold of silence. Some very talented practitioners need only a
few minutes of silence to reach that coveted goal. Others, less talented, need
long periods of silence, perhaps more than one hour of quietude,before they
reach the desired result. The desired result is what the old sorcerers called
"stopping the world", the moment when everything around us ceases to be what
it's always been. This is the moment when sorcerers return to the TRUE nature of
man. The old sorcerers always called it "total freedom"
Don Juan (Carlos Castanada)


Just thought I'd mention this. Not that I want to wander off into the Sonoran
Desert and become a Yaqui sorcerer, not at this point, no. Heh heh.

bb




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Thanks Auntie,

the last couple of weeks must have been very hard for the SCC.  I'm hoping that
there will not be more women who come forward with this type of story, but there
are many Centres in the US and Canada.

This secret was a ticking time bomb and we all knew the truth had to come out
eventually.  Hopefully the leadership of the SCC can manage the process of
facing the truth skilfully.

Terra.

--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "auntie_moo" <auntie_moo@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks to The Abode of Yoga@...
>
> Bihagee's sweet but disturbing revelation:
>
> I do not wish to recount the details of what happened to me.
>
> It is the same story as Suchatula's, who is one of my best friends and with
whom I have been suffering through all this. How things might have been
different had one of us just shared our story with the other?
>
> That is what I would like to write about here.
>
> For those who do not believe our stories, I want to explain my feelings. So
much has been written already.
>
> It has taken me almost three years to leave the center. Even this I did not do
on my own. Before I even managed to share my pain with my parents, Ashrita had
informed them that their daughter was out of the center.
>
> Because of my complete faith in Guru, I did my best and accepted that,
somehow, what he had asked me to do was okay. But it wasn't easy. I had to fight
so hard with myself. I had to convince myself that this thing Guru asked of me,
which was so against my spiritual, religious, mental and human views, was okay.
>
> At the same time, I felt so bad, so guilty for doubting my spiritual master. I
was punishing myself for not having enough surrender. No matter which way I
looked at it, I was always somehow a culprit.
>
> In spite of all that, when I weighed the beautiful moments and experiences I
had on the path, all that my spiritual life had given me, all of my sweet
spiritual family members, against the pain I was feeling, the balance still
tipped in favor of my disciple life.
>
> I couldn't share my secret turmoil with my parents, who were on the path. I
couldn't tell my few best friends, and to be honest, I did not want to. How
could I share something like this? How could I possibly betray my Guru, my
spiritual master?
>
> Would my friends believe me?
>
> Maybe I was the only one.
>
> I wanted to walk into the sea and just have it over with. In the end, I
decided I would have to quietly accept what Guru had asked me to do and somehow
continue with my spiritual life, the life that had shaped me into a much better
person, the life that had helped me find out so much about myself.
>
> Oh, but it was not so easy.
>
> Believe me, I did my best. I tried so hard that almost nobody thought I was
troubled. But it was difficult. There I was, spending my time with my friends,
working, going to the center, doing all a good disciple is expected to do and at
the same time feeling bad for not doing it 100% the way I had done done it
before 2007.
>
> I was having a hard time and blaming myself for having a hard time. The guilt
and secrecy really pained me. I was hoping for an answer from Guru, who then
suddenly passed away. That did not help things.
>
> Then one of my brother disciples in San Francisco, Viddyut, told me about
Suchatula's story. As a good disciple, I had never read Suchatula's story,
despite the fact that we had been such good friends before she had left the
path.
>
> My world completely felt apart.
>
> Guru had asked me to do the same thing. If in any way I had been defending
what had happened to me, now that I realized that others were also involved, I
simply couldn't handle it anymore.
>
> All my fears were confirmed.
>
> It was so painful, standing in front of Ananda Fuara, trying to assimilate it
all, while Viddyut patiently tried to help me recover from the shock. At the
same time, I will admit it, I felt relieved that all was out in the open. I can
finally share, talk about it and receive understanding, belief, and care.
>
> A load was off my heart.
>
> Oh, only if all was so easy. The realization of it all was excruciating. My
head would not stop aching, thoughts too big and heavy for my little brain to
handle were pushing their way in. I felt as if someone heavy was sitting on my
chest and would not move.
>
> I couldn't breathe, I had no desire to eat or sleep.
>
> The only person I told was Donka, one of my best friends. Even then it took a
while for me to start explaining what had happened to me. So judge me if you
want, but I had to tell someone, and better someone that was far from San
Francisco.
>
> Next, I was finally able to call my other best friend, Suchatula, with whom I
had not spoken to since she herself had left the center. We talked for hours and
hours. If only one of us had shared with each other earlier…
>
> She came and picked me up. After a day together, she drove me to the airport.
>
> If only this was the end. It was not easy for me to be in the center
struggling with this secret, but it sure is not easier now either.
>
> I had to call to my parents, knowing that they would not only suffer as
disciples, but would naturally blame themselves for not protecting their child
(as any good parents would). They are not to blame though. I have always made
decisions for myself.
>
> I am now dead to my many friends in the center.
>
> They have not called me or contacted me in any way. I am suspected of being
hostile and mentally ill. But believe me, I do not blame them, because I know
how the center works. I know how they have to protect themselves, even if it
means considering me dead, so that they can protect the precious, beautiful life
we all had.
>
> My world has been shattered. Now, I have no desire of joining any other
spiritual group. Everything I gave heart and soul for has been stained. But
again, I do not regret my years as a disciple. If I had the chance to go back 10
years and make the choice over, I would take the same road.
>
> I only wish to share that it has not been easy, and it certainly is not easier
now.
>
> Just telling this story to one person has been such a painful experience. I do
not have the strength to tell other disciples, as I have been blamed of doing. I
did not call New York and never tried to convince people to leave the center. I
simply could not do that.
>
> I have decided, though, that I cannot and should not continue blaming myself
anymore.
>
> Thank you all for your support and love. I know that things will get better.
Let everyone decide what's best for themselves.
>
> Just do not accuse us of writing lies.
>
> I so wish all of this was a lie.
>

There are pros and cons to every decision and action we make or avoid making.
Usually, the net of the pros vs the cons is so overwhelming in one direction or
the other,  that the decision of what to do or not do in our daily activities is
automatic: "Of course, this is the best course of action, as the upsides are
obvious, and the downsides are negligible." 
Other times, it is a close call.
Take the example of an ex-disciple who has thoughts to contribute
to other ex-dees and to current disciples, or maybe just wants to vent some
bottled up emotions. Should the ex-dee post on this or any other web site  in
his/her own name?  Let's look at the factors that enter into the decision:
The downsides to posting under our real name include:
 
1.Our disciple friends or Ghose supporting ex-disciple friends will hence-forth
shun us.
2. People (present co-workers, future employers, etc) who Google our name may
stumble onto our posting and we will be "outed" as an ex-cult member.
3. Zealous disciples may try to take revenge against us by complaining to our
boss, or by trying to infect our computer with a virus, or by some other devious
way.
4. Other posters may criticize our comments on the web site.
5, If we have a family member still in the Centre, conceivably that family
member may be affected within the group by our posting. 
 
As first glance, posting anonymously seems to be the obviously prudent
course. Why unnecessarily risk adverse consequences when we do not have to?
Let's look closer at the above 5 reasons.
 
1. True, we will be shunned by some friends. But the loss will be theirs.
Friends who desert us for writing in a civilized manner truths we have realized
do not have enough control over their own thoughts to be a friend or us or to
anyone else. They are shunning us not because something is wrong with use,
but because they are still being controlled by thoughts installed in them by a
deceased cult master. We have no reason to let our life and choices be
controlled by the dead hand of Ghose acting through them.
2. If we are concerned about a google search of our full name, use only a first
(or spiritual) name, Centre, and years of discipleship. Readers of this
site will know who we are, but we will not be picked up in a general google
search. From a larger perspective, an ex-member of a cult is who we are. We have
had unique experiences of a powerful part of the human psyche, and we had the
inner courage to leave. That is commendable, not something to hide.
3. In the early years of this web site, when Ghose was alive and
personally insisting on attacks against posters on this site, at least two
posters,  Ringmaster Gary  and Ian of Australia suffered negative repercussions
at work for posting here. No other posters via their own name have had a
negative impact. With the death of Ghose, and with the truth about Ghose being
so widely spread in various web sites and books, the fervor to destroy others to
prop up Ghose has dissipated among even fanatics .
4. We learn to write only by writing. We learn not to go over the top by going
over the top, and having that pointed out to us. If we are well intentioned, but
transgress certain boundaries in our writing, criticism only helps us.  If we
are criticized when we post, take it as a free lesson in composition. We would
have to pay thousands of dollars to a big name university to have a professor
give us the same lesson.
5. If our family member disciple is picked on by the group due to our posting,
perhaps he/she will see that patently unfair treatment as an example of how
ridiculous the group is.
 
When we think back on our lives,  with very few exceptions (such as not touching
a hot stove)  every thing or event we feared turned out not to be as bad as we
feared. Ten years from now, will our fear of posting in our name seem
justified?  
 
 
The upsides to posting under our name include:
A. Our comments will be given more weight if readers can match a person they
know with our words.
B. Eventually, it is only our character, who we are as individuals,
that matters. Our self image, our self control, our self awareness is diminished
by our giving in to fear. If we give in to fear in one area, the propensity
to surrender to fear in other areas is magnified. When we leave this physical
plane, we do not take our possession, nor even our friends, We take only our
character, our integrity, what we have grown to become. This what we are here to
develop. Diminishing our character by giving in to fear is counterproductive to
our long term personal growth.
 
The decision whether to post under our own name is not a slam-dunk either way.
For most of us it is a close call. After considering the consequences, we may
decide to play safe and postpone personal growth in favor of short term "peace
of mind" by posting anonymously. That is OK.  However we choose, the process
of recognizing the options, and observing our self making a conscious decision, 
is to our benefit. 
 
rudra 
 
 
 
 




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--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "Anne" <penny1300@...> wrote:
>
> Yes,
>
> It is wonderful to see this openness.  Even though they're not ready to face
the really unpleasant facts about Ghose's manipulation and harrassment, there is
now a sense that reality is descending.  I hope this will lead to a blossoming
of freedom and creativity for all those who are still in the Center or those
even just holding on to beliefs.
>>>

Disciples, and many ex-disciples too, have a problem with the Truth simply
because they are NOT used to it.

They are not used to hearing it, and they are CERTAINLY not used to SPEAKING it,
and eventhough they all may pay Lip Service to attaining the "Highest Truth" and
all that, Realistically, for the MOST part, their ENTIRE disciple lives have
been not only BASED on Falsehood and LIES, deception, deceit, hypocrisy and
underhandedness, insincerity, and even in some cases, outright Criminality, but
they have been constantly barraged and INUNDATED with Complete Spiritual
Bullshit coming right from the Top down!!

The Sri Chinmoy Centre is one of the few places I know of where lying is not
only OK, it is even Recommended and REQUIRED, in fact, IF you have ANY
intention, that is, of "pleasing Guru in his own way," that's for sure.

Just think of the Great Alo Devi Deception and Deceit, not to mention Total
Fiasco and you have a great case in point.

I don't need to name any others b/c we ALL have many examples rushing to our
minds even by Beginning to think about this, eventhough there are STILL many who
totally REFUSE to do ANY thinking about this At All.

Because let's face it, "When you think, you sink." (Sri Chinmoy).

Even in the sad case of ex-disciples who leave the Centre physically, but who
are STILL caught in the cult mindset of falsehood and phoniness, it's still
abundantly apparent that some at least REFUSE to SEE the Truth of what real
spirituality is all about and continue to carry on the silly games they learned
in the Centre from the Highest Avatar of All Time, and parade around as Dharma
Teachers and shout their own glories of their "bodhisattvahood" etc. from the
roof tops to any fool on the street who is willing to believe that they are
indeed "advanced souls" or real spiritual teachers etc.

In fact, to my mind, ex-disciples like these are in even WORSE shape than the
still True Believing disciples who are still on the Inside, so to speak, of the
spiritual prison and divine penetentiary.

These ex-disciples should know better.

Only for some reason, they don't.

OH well, what can this bodisattva do but continue to try to wake them up?

Hey, it's a hard job, but SOMEBODY'S got to do it, let's face it.

Bodhisattva G

NNB





> --- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "goodoldpoohbear"
<goodoldpoohbear@> wrote:
> >
> > Please go and see http://abodeofyoga.blogspot.com
> >
> > A new story has been posted, this time coming from Bihagee, and her
sincerity is powerfully shining through all of her words.
> >
> > Deep thanks to her and to Sundari for their courage to stand up and speak.
> >
> > And lots of thanks to Yogaloy as well for providing such a safe place for
expression.
> >
> > subala
> >
>

Thanks to The Abode of Yoga@...

Bihagee's sweet but disturbing revelation:

I do not wish to recount the details of what happened to me.

It is the same story as Suchatula's, who is one of my best friends and with whom
I have been suffering through all this. How things might have been different had
one of us just shared our story with the other?

That is what I would like to write about here.

For those who do not believe our stories, I want to explain my feelings. So much
has been written already.

It has taken me almost three years to leave the center. Even this I did not do
on my own. Before I even managed to share my pain with my parents, Ashrita had
informed them that their daughter was out of the center.

Because of my complete faith in Guru, I did my best and accepted that, somehow,
what he had asked me to do was okay. But it wasn't easy. I had to fight so hard
with myself. I had to convince myself that this thing Guru asked of me, which
was so against my spiritual, religious, mental and human views, was okay.

At the same time, I felt so bad, so guilty for doubting my spiritual master. I
was punishing myself for not having enough surrender. No matter which way I
looked at it, I was always somehow a culprit.

In spite of all that, when I weighed the beautiful moments and experiences I had
on the path, all that my spiritual life had given me, all of my sweet spiritual
family members, against the pain I was feeling, the balance still tipped in
favor of my disciple life.

I couldn't share my secret turmoil with my parents, who were on the path. I
couldn't tell my few best friends, and to be honest, I did not want to. How
could I share something like this? How could I possibly betray my Guru, my
spiritual master?

Would my friends believe me?

Maybe I was the only one.

I wanted to walk into the sea and just have it over with. In the end, I decided
I would have to quietly accept what Guru had asked me to do and somehow continue
with my spiritual life, the life that had shaped me into a much better person,
the life that had helped me find out so much about myself.

Oh, but it was not so easy.

Believe me, I did my best. I tried so hard that almost nobody thought I was
troubled. But it was difficult. There I was, spending my time with my friends,
working, going to the center, doing all a good disciple is expected to do and at
the same time feeling bad for not doing it 100% the way I had done done it
before 2007.

I was having a hard time and blaming myself for having a hard time. The guilt
and secrecy really pained me. I was hoping for an answer from Guru, who then
suddenly passed away. That did not help things.

Then one of my brother disciples in San Francisco, Viddyut, told me about
Suchatula's story. As a good disciple, I had never read Suchatula's story,
despite the fact that we had been such good friends before she had left the
path.

My world completely felt apart.

Guru had asked me to do the same thing. If in any way I had been defending what
had happened to me, now that I realized that others were also involved, I simply
couldn't handle it anymore.

All my fears were confirmed.

It was so painful, standing in front of Ananda Fuara, trying to assimilate it
all, while Viddyut patiently tried to help me recover from the shock. At the
same time, I will admit it, I felt relieved that all was out in the open. I can
finally share, talk about it and receive understanding, belief, and care.

A load was off my heart.

Oh, only if all was so easy. The realization of it all was excruciating. My head
would not stop aching, thoughts too big and heavy for my little brain to handle
were pushing their way in. I felt as if someone heavy was sitting on my chest
and would not move.

I couldn't breathe, I had no desire to eat or sleep.

The only person I told was Donka, one of my best friends. Even then it took a
while for me to start explaining what had happened to me. So judge me if you
want, but I had to tell someone, and better someone that was far from San
Francisco.

Next, I was finally able to call my other best friend, Suchatula, with whom I
had not spoken to since she herself had left the center. We talked for hours and
hours. If only one of us had shared with each other earlier…

She came and picked me up. After a day together, she drove me to the airport.

If only this was the end. It was not easy for me to be in the center struggling
with this secret, but it sure is not easier now either.

I had to call to my parents, knowing that they would not only suffer as
disciples, but would naturally blame themselves for not protecting their child
(as any good parents would). They are not to blame though. I have always made
decisions for myself.

I am now dead to my many friends in the center.

They have not called me or contacted me in any way. I am suspected of being
hostile and mentally ill. But believe me, I do not blame them, because I know
how the center works. I know how they have to protect themselves, even if it
means considering me dead, so that they can protect the precious, beautiful life
we all had.

My world has been shattered. Now, I have no desire of joining any other
spiritual group. Everything I gave heart and soul for has been stained. But
again, I do not regret my years as a disciple. If I had the chance to go back 10
years and make the choice over, I would take the same road.

I only wish to share that it has not been easy, and it certainly is not easier
now.

Just telling this story to one person has been such a painful experience. I do
not have the strength to tell other disciples, as I have been blamed of doing. I
did not call New York and never tried to convince people to leave the center. I
simply could not do that.

I have decided, though, that I cannot and should not continue blaming myself
anymore.

Thank you all for your support and love. I know that things will get better. Let
everyone decide what's best for themselves.

Just do not accuse us of writing lies.

I so wish all of this was a lie.

Yes,

It is wonderful to see this openness.  Even though they're not ready to face the
really unpleasant facts about Ghose's manipulation and harrassment, there is now
a sense that reality is descending.  I hope this will lead to a blossoming of
freedom and creativity for all those who are still in the Center or those even
just holding on to beliefs.

--- In Sri_Chinmoy_Information@yahoogroups.com, "goodoldpoohbear"
<goodoldpoohbear@...> wrote:
>
> Please go and see http://abodeofyoga.blogspot.com
>
> A new story has been posted, this time coming from Bihagee, and her sincerity
is powerfully shining through all of her words.
>
> Deep thanks to her and to Sundari for their courage to stand up and speak.
>
> And lots of thanks to Yogaloy as well for providing such a safe place for
expression.
>
> subala
>

Please go and see http://abodeofyoga.blogspot.com

A new story has been posted, this time coming from Bihagee, and her sincerity is
powerfully shining through all of her words.

Deep thanks to her and to Sundari for their courage to stand up and speak.

And lots of thanks to Yogaloy as well for providing such a safe place for
expression.

subala