Light Sport Aicraft are not limited to 10,000 feet. That's a pilot limitation.

--
Bob Comperini
bob@...
http://www.fly-ul.com


-----Original Message-----

From:  "Richard Williams" <rkwill@...>
Subj:  Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Kitbuilt -51% rule
Date:  Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:20 am
Size:  1K
To:  Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

A1flybye,

The op-limits, the airworthiness-certificate, and the weight-and-balance (or
weight and loading for a trike) are three separate documents.

The document that will be most different between a E-LSA and a E-AB will be the
op-limits.

The kinds of differences will include:
--max take-off weight (1320pounds for a E-LSA)
--max altitude( 10k ASL for a E-LSA)

I do not have my op-limits in front of me, nor my FAR manual, so I cannot quote
chapter and verse on the expected differences.

R. Williams

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "a1flybye" <preston_eng@...>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:20:52 -0000
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Kitbuilt -51% rule

>  
>
> I think the Ops Limits were part of the Airworthiness Certificate (gross
weight, weight and balance,etc.).
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Jay Maynard <jmaynard@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:18:35PM -0000, fishmaster232 wrote:
> > > How about if you buy a already reg. EAB ?
> > > Who has to do the inspection ?
>
> > I'm not aware of any operational differences between E-AB and E-LSA. The
> > main differences are in what's required to register the E-LSA and in who can
> > do the inspections on it.
> > --
>
>
------- End of Original Message -------

Keith,

If you use Facebook search for "Gobosh Aviation" and become a fan. There are
lots of pictures up there, and people you can interact with who are actively
flying Goboshes. Just saw yourpictures. You should post a few on the Facebook
fan page.

Warmest Regards,


Dave

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <dkeithharmon@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone out there flying the Gobosh 700S, I would like to share some stories
and questions.
>

Hi Keith,

If you use Facebook, Look up "Gobosh Aviation" and become a fan. There are lots
of pictures up there of Gobosh's. You can even add your own there.


Dave

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Robert Rankin <onerobertoh@...> wrote:
>
> That was taken going into Sandusky Ohio, by Lake Erie. I flew the Gobosh up
for a weekend.
>
> --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Keith <dkeithharmon@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Keith <dkeithharmon@...>
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Gobosh 700S
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 2:49 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob, I am flying one out of KFPR (Fort Pierce, FL) with US Sport Aircraft
(ussportaircraft. com). I absolutely love it. I got my PPL in '95 and just
became current after about 10 years off because of marriage, kids, work, etc you
know the same story you hear from alot of pilots.
>
> I have had nothing but a great experience with the LSA. Can get a basically
brand new aircraft for less than a 70's model 150/152.
>
> Thanks for the photo, where are you landing in the photo.
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Rankin <onerobertoh@ ...>
wrote:
> >
> > I learned to fly in one. Where do you fly? What is your experience in one?
> >  
> > Bob
> >
> > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Keith <dkeithharmon@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Keith <dkeithharmon@ ...>
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Gobosh 700S
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 4:40 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there flying the Gobosh 700S, I would like to share some stories
and questions.
> >
>

I think the Ops Limits were part of the Airworthiness Certificate (gross weight,
weight and balance,etc.).

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Jay Maynard <jmaynard@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:18:35PM -0000, fishmaster232 wrote:
> > How about if you buy a already reg. EAB ?
> > Who has to do the inspection ?

> I'm not aware of any operational differences between E-AB and E-LSA. The
> main differences are in what's required to register the E-LSA and in who can
> do the inspections on it.
> --

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:18:35PM -0000, fishmaster232 wrote:
> How about if you buy a already reg. EAB ?
> Who has to do the inspection ?

An E-AB aircraft must be inspected by an A&P if it's not owned by the
builder who got the repairman certificate for it.

I'm not aware of any operational differences between E-AB and E-LSA. The
main differences are in what's required to register the E-LSA and in who can
do the inspections on it.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP   http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com       http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml

How about if you buy a already reg. EAB ?

Who has to do the inspection ?

A new owner can't obtain a repair cert. if he wasn't one of the original
builders right?

What are the operation limitations of EAB compared to ELSA ?



Thanks,

Rod

You document the work done by the previous owner and show as a "group" all the builders have contributed to the 51% rule. You record yourself as the primary builder and the aircraft is thereby considered to be 51% built. You do not have to have actually done 51% of the work by yourself.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: blueriverday
Sent: Dec 9, 2009 5:08 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Kitbuilt -51% rule

 

Here's what I wonder- If the factory builds 49% of my plane, and I'm supposed to build the other 51%...then what if I bought an unfinished kit with say, 15% already completed? That only leaves me 36% of the work to do, so I can't do 51%. (nor do I want to)

Mark in S.C.

On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 11:08:18AM -0000, blueriverday wrote:
> Here's what I wonder- If the factory builds 49% of my plane, and I'm
> supposed to build the other 51%...then what if I bought an unfinished kit
> with say, 15% already completed? That only leaves me 36% of the work to
> do, so I can't do 51%. (nor do I want to)

The aircraft must be 51% amateur built in order to be registered as E-AB. It
doesn't mean that *you* have to do all 51%.

Getting the repairman certificate for your airplane is a matter of
convincing the inspector that you know enough about its construction to be
able to do the annual on it. This doesn't mean you need to have built the
51% yourself, but it might get harder if you didn't. Ask the EAA about this
one.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP   http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com       http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml

Here's what I wonder- If the factory builds 49% of my plane, and I'm supposed to
build the other 51%...then what if I bought an unfinished kit with say, 15%
already completed? That only leaves me 36% of the work to do, so I can't do 51%.
(nor do I want to)

Mark in S.C.

On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 09:48:25PM -0800, Peter Walker wrote:
> A LSA is a factory built aircraft An ELSA can be a grandfathered U/L or a
> home assembled LSA?? You cant make an ELSA into a LSA

This is incorrect. The factory built aircraft are SLSAs. Both ELSAs and
SLSAs are LSAs. You are, however, correct in that you cannot make an ELSA
into an SLSA.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP   http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com       http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml

Gary Orpe

-----Original Message-----
From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of blueriverday
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:26 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Going LSA due to medical

 

Hello folks. Short question- Does the medical examiner have access to double-check the validity of your medical status, beyond what you tell him? IOW...maybe I "don't have a doctor", or "don't take any meds".
Pharmacy database, or what? Mark

Hello folks. Short question- Does the medical examiner have access to
double-check the validity of your medical status, beyond what you tell him?
IOW...maybe I "don't have a doctor", or "don't take any meds".
Pharmacy database, or what?      Mark

On 04:49 PM 12/7/2009, masterdr wrote:
>
> If I am correct, you  must reregister it before Jan 30, 2010 in order to be
able to train with it.  If you don't, you cannot use it as a trainer, is this
correct?

You must re-register it, if its airworthiness certificate expires, and you
already have the "training" op limit. Re-registering it, and applying for (and
being granted) a LODA to continue training, are two different things.


> If it is switched to a LSA, is my friend able to do his own annuals with the
propeer 16 hour course they have?  Or, Does he have to still take it to an A/P
tech?

What does "switched to LSA" mean? Its already an LSA. You can't "switch" it to
anything. If the plane was not certificated as an E-LSA to begin with (it was
amateur built, for example), you never had a "training" op limit


> Or, since it is a ELSA now, can he take the maintenance course and do the
annuals himself?

Repairman/Maintenance rating is not needed, if he wanted to perform maintenance
on his Experimental. If he wants to do his own annuals, then at least a
repairman/inspection rating is required (the 16 hour course).


--
Bob Comperini
e-mail: bob@...
WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com

I have a friend with a challenger 2.

   Right now, it is a ELSA.

  Here is the question<s>:

  If I am correct, you  must reregister it before Jan 30, 2010 in order to be
able to train with it.  If you don't, you cannot use it as a trainer, is this
correct?

  If it is switched to a LSA, is my friend able to do his own annuals with the
propeer 16 hour course they have?  Or, Does he have to still take it to an A/P
tech?

  Or, since it is a ELSA now, can he take the maintenance course and do the
annuals himself?

                        Dwayne

I second the motion!

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hobson" <wrhobson@...> wrote:
>
> I vote you be completely forgiven for your brief knee-jerk response due to
your heart-felt apology. We've all done the ready, fire, aim thing on occasion.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Adam Shaiken
>   To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:07 PM
>   Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Digest Number 2206
>
>
>
>
>   To Michael and to the others on this forum to whom it may concern:
>   Though, I certainly can not retract what I wrote(in this world of
immediacy). I certainly can point out what I have learned via this exchange. And
that is, that, I once again was rather tactless in my attempt to point out what
I thought was someone else's 'apparent' rather 'foolish' attempt to change their
password that they use to access this site(and any other Yahoo associated stuff)
in public. None of it was my business, nor was it my place to point it out. I
apologize 'publicly' specifically to Helen(who seemed to take such offense-at,
yes, my tactlessness and misuse of the forum) and to any one else that may also
have felt abused!!! That's all.
>
>
>   On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Michael Huckle <m230683@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>     > > > I'd like to change my password: (:jLZZ[xxxxxxfz3kff to brandy.
>     > > > Thank you. Bob
>
>
>     > > Bob, send Brandy our regards.
>     > > Cheers,
>     > > Mike
>     > > ;-)
>
>
>     > Posted by: "Adam Shaiken" ajshaiken@... adamshaiken
>     > Mr. Huckle,
>     > How old are you? What is wrong with you? Do you not realize that this is
a
>     > 'relatively' public forum? Furthermore, that you can and should 'edit'
your
>     > own profile. If you can not figure that out, then maybe you should not
be
>     > playing in the big sand box!!!,(let alone be in command of an
aircraft!).
>     >
>     > I know I'm gonna hurt some body's feelings. That's too bad!!!
>
>
>     Adam!... What's shaken?
>     I'm about 2/3 thru my lifetime,
>     and will you need my street address and soc-sec number also?
>     I never knew there was an obligation to keep yahoo profiles filled in.
>     Nor did I realize this is a big sandbox.
>     (and if it -is- a sandbox, I'm now hoping there's no big lumps;-)
>     If you saw my "aircraft", you might not even call it an aircraft.
>     I'm not sure if I'll be able to carry on....
>
>     Cheers,
>     Mike
>     ;-)
>     PS: The real question Adam, is "what is it that you thought was the
problem?"
>
>
>     .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
>
>   --
>   Adam Jay Shaiken
>   What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly. - Thomas Paine (1737 -
1809)
>
>   Imagination is more important than Intelligence — Albert Einstein
>
>   I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. -
Confucius (551 B.C. - 479 B.C.)
>
>   The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may
come. - Confucius (551 B.C. - 479 B.C.)
>
>   We've gotten to the point where everybody's got a right and nobody's got a
responsibility. - Newton Minow (FCC chairman)
>
>   Character - the willingness to accept responsibility for one's own life - is
the source from which self respect springs. - Joan Didion (1934 - )
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Adam Shaiken

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Digest Number 2206

 

To Michael and to the others on this forum to whom it may concern:

Though, I certainly can not retract what I wrote(in this world of immediacy). I certainly can point out what I have learned via this exchange. And that is, that, I once again was rather tactless in my attempt to point out what I thought was someone else's 'apparent' rather 'foolish' attempt to change their password that they use to access this site(and any other Yahoo associated stuff) in public. None of it was my business, nor was it my place to point it out. I apologize 'publicly' specifically to Helen(who seemed to take such offense-at, yes, my tactlessness and misuse of the forum) and to any one else that may also have felt abused!!! That's all.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Michael Huckle <m230683@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> > > I'd like to change my password: (:jLZZ[xxxxxxfz3kff to brandy.
> > > Thank you. Bob


> > Bob, send Brandy our regards.
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> > ;-)
 
 
> Posted by: "Adam Shaiken" ajshaiken@gmail.com adamshaiken
> Mr. Huckle,
> How old are you? What is wrong with you? Do you not realize that this is a
> 'relatively' public forum? Furthermore, that you can and should 'edit' your
> own profile. If you can not figure that out, then maybe you should not be
> playing in the big sand box!!!,(let alone be in command of an aircraft!).
>
> I know I'm gonna hurt some body's feelings. That's too bad!!!

 
Adam!... What's shaken?
I'm about 2/3 thru my lifetime,
and will you need my street address and soc-sec number also?
I never knew there was an obligation to keep yahoo profiles filled in.
Nor did I realize this is a big sandbox.
(and if it -is- a sandbox, I'm now hoping there's no big lumps;-)
If you saw my "aircraft", you might not even call it an aircraft.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to carry on....
 
Cheers,
Mike
;-)
PS: The real question Adam, is "what is it that you thought was the problem?"
 
 
.


 

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Adam Jay Shaiken
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly. - Thomas Paine (1737 - 1809)

Imagination is more important than Intelligence — Albert Einstein

I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius (551 B.C. - 479 B.C.)

The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. - Confucius (551 B.C. - 479 B.C.)

We've gotten to the point where everybody's got a right and nobody's got a responsibility. - Newton Minow (FCC chairman)

Character - the willingness to accept responsibility for one's own life - is the source from which self respect springs. - Joan Didion (1934 - )

use this link and it will take you there
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/app/peoplemap/view/map

or on the left side of the group home page near the bottom is Groups Labs (Beta)
Applications




--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "dongeneda2000" <DonGeneda@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I was one of the first to record my location, but I cannot find it now.  Might
tell us how to get there!.
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "garyo263" <garyo@> wrote:
> >
> > The Peoples map application on Yahoo site for this group is shaping up
nicely. Keep up the good work... we need more entries to make it really hummmm.
Short for airplane engine sound. Now that we have more time to use our computers
because of weather situations, it would be a good time to try it. Recommend not
using home addres however, unless you want to, but the airport from where you
fly at would be great.
> >
> > Gary
> >
>