Hello Russ

This sounds great. I think I will order the current White & Red and  hold off on
the second set. I'd rather wait for the Maroon and Gold units to come out later.
The White and Red with the ACI labels is just at the outside limit of the era I
model (nineteen fixties (1951 to 1969)so I will be OK with it. I will be looking
forward to receive it soon.

Thanks for the info

Pierre



--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Russ" <sooironrange@...> wrote:
>
> Walthers will be doing another run of the F7's in Soo Line maroon and gold. 
Just announced in the latest Walthers flyer.
>
> I have 6 of the Proto 2000 F's in red and white.  The are excellent models
IMHO.  They run extremely well and look extremely good.  The detail is on par
with the Athearn Genesis, and the DCC/sound units run very well and are easy to
program. The Athearn Genesis DCC/sound units had the crappy MRC decoders which I
hate.
>
> Russ Nyquist
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, Mike Lehman <rebelmike@> wrote:
> >
> > Pierre,
> > I can't speak to the specifics of the Soo version, but I am very happy
> > with the two sets of A-B Rio Grande Fs with sound that have been running
> > here on my layout. They are very comparable to or exceed the detail of
> > my Genesis F units. The road specific details are top-notch, so I hope
> > and expect that your Soo versions are up to snuff also.
> > Mike Lehman
> > Urbana, IL
> >
> > soomodels wrote:
> > > Hi group
> > >
> > > I am about to order a set of the Soo Line F7s with DCC & sound from Proto
2000.

My preferred choice is Floquil reefer white and Floquil bright caboose red.  I
tried the antique white once on a GP-35 and it was not well liked, I still catch
flack about that one.

I think these colors carry over to the Polly S line for water-base paints.

Russ Nyquist

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Meacham" <soobrat6@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Sylvester Kolodniakie Axes:
>
> Does anybody have a favorite mix for SOO Red/While. I don't want the fresh
> out of the paint shop look, although I don't intend to weather my GP-30
> harshly either. I'd just like toned down colors a bit.
>
> =============================================
>
>    Sylvester:
>
>    Your best bet for a non-fresh-out-of-the-paint-shop look is still Reefer
> White. Soo's "white" faded out fairly quickly. Otherwise, an Antique White
> is the way to go. Adding some weather in the form of chalks around the outer
> edges of the hood doors tends to tone things down a bit.
>
>    Keith
>

Walthers will be doing another run of the F7's in Soo Line maroon and gold. 
Just announced in the latest Walthers flyer.

I have 6 of the Proto 2000 F's in red and white.  The are excellent models IMHO.
They run extremely well and look extremely good.  The detail is on par with the
Athearn Genesis, and the DCC/sound units run very well and are easy to program.
The Athearn Genesis DCC/sound units had the crappy MRC decoders which I hate.

Russ Nyquist

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, Mike Lehman <rebelmike@...> wrote:
>
> Pierre,
> I can't speak to the specifics of the Soo version, but I am very happy
> with the two sets of A-B Rio Grande Fs with sound that have been running
> here on my layout. They are very comparable to or exceed the detail of
> my Genesis F units. The road specific details are top-notch, so I hope
> and expect that your Soo versions are up to snuff also.
> Mike Lehman
> Urbana, IL
>
> soomodels wrote:
> > Hi group
> >
> > I am about to order a set of the Soo Line F7s with DCC & sound from Proto
2000.
> >
> > Has anyone in the group purchased these?
> >
> > I would assume they are performing well.
> > How is their sound?
> >
> > They sure look impressive from Walthers catalogue.
> >
> > btw: When was the ACI labels applied by the soo Line and how long did they
last?
> >
> > I model the fixties, 1954 for steam and maroon, 1964 for the first units in
white and Red. I just might add 1974 so as to include these F7s. I would then
claim to model the fixventies....
> >
> > I might also order another set of undecorated units as well to paint maroon.
Would these come with all the Soo Line options?
> >
> > Would anyone like to comment?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> > Pierre Milot
> > Soo Line Yamaska subdivision
> > http://www.trainweb.org/soomodels/
>

Pierre,
I can't speak to the specifics of the Soo version, but I am very happy
with the two sets of A-B Rio Grande Fs with sound that have been running
here on my layout. They are very comparable to or exceed the detail of
my Genesis F units. The road specific details are top-notch, so I hope
and expect that your Soo versions are up to snuff also.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL

soomodels wrote:
> Hi group
>
> I am about to order a set of the Soo Line F7s with DCC & sound from Proto
2000.
>
> Has anyone in the group purchased these?
>
> I would assume they are performing well.
> How is their sound?
>
> They sure look impressive from Walthers catalogue.
>
> btw: When was the ACI labels applied by the soo Line and how long did they
last?
>
> I model the fixties, 1954 for steam and maroon, 1964 for the first units in
white and Red. I just might add 1974 so as to include these F7s. I would then
claim to model the fixventies....
>
> I might also order another set of undecorated units as well to paint maroon.
Would these come with all the Soo Line options?
>
> Would anyone like to comment?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Pierre Milot
> Soo Line Yamaska subdivision
> http://www.trainweb.org/soomodels/

Pierre Milot Axes:

> Hi group
>
> I am about to order a set of the Soo Line F7s with DCC & sound from Proto
> 2000.
>
> Has anyone in the group purchased these?
>
> I would assume they are performing well.
> How is their sound?
>
> They sure look impressive from Walthers catalogue.
>
> btw: When was the ACI labels applied by the soo Line and how long did they
> last?
>
> I model the fixties, 1954 for steam and maroon, 1964 for the first units
> in white and Red. I just might add 1974 so as to include these F7s. I
> would then claim to model the fixventies....
>
> I might also order another set of undecorated units as well to paint
> maroon. Would these come with all the Soo Line options?
>
> Would anyone like to comment?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Pierre Milot
> Soo Line Yamaska subdivision
> http://www.trainweb.org/soomodels/

=============================================

    Pierre:

    I have ONE, but without sound. As for its running ability, it runs as
well as the Athearn-Genesis models.

    There are some issues, most all minor nit-picking.

    Walthers got the style of numbers correct, but did not add stirrup steps
on the front on each side for the hand-grabs up the sides of the nose. The
hands grabs varied in color depending on the actual unit; mine is # 2226A,
and the real unit had white handgrabs up the nose, not red. I suggest
finding a photo of whatever number your A Unit is to be accurate.

    As I always harp about, you have to add your own re-railing frogs to the
model.

    ACI labels began showing up around 1969. Most wore theirs through the
1970's until they were retired. Soo, along with most Class 1 Railroads gave
up on the color-coded ACI labels about 1977. Some units never received the
ACI Label.

    As for what comes with the undec model, Walthers-P2K includes enough
parts to render a fairly accurate Soo model.

    Keith

Hi group

I am about to order a set of the Soo Line F7s with DCC & sound from Proto 2000.

Has anyone in the group purchased these?

I would assume they are performing well.
How is their sound?

They sure look impressive from Walthers catalogue.

btw: When was the ACI labels applied by the soo Line and how long did they last?

I model the fixties, 1954 for steam and maroon, 1964 for the first units in
white and Red. I just might add 1974 so as to include these F7s. I would then
claim to model the fixventies....

I might also order another set of undecorated units as well to paint maroon.
Would these come with all the Soo Line options?

Would anyone like to comment?

Thanks in advance


Pierre Milot
Soo Line Yamaska subdivision
http://www.trainweb.org/soomodels/

I'm looking for photos of 76' combine numbers 360 - 366 for a  new O scale
project.
Thanks,
Tom Houle

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OK, just a short update: (and a re-intro for the new bees  here)

I am the son of George T Fredrickson. WC and $oo Line from about
1922-1972-3.
He was Super Agent from about 1960 thru 1970 or to 72 in  Appleton
I forgot. I am "back in the saddle" so to speak and am planning on
scanning ALL his
many $00 Line photos and documents.
I am now, fully retired at age 60 and am back home from many TDY's  as
an Engineer for the U.S.Army at Ft Hood Tx and all over the  place!
Mostly in Aviation areas.

Any, I digress....Back to.......

Appleton........
Frank & Pats (across from College ave Station)    GREAT PIZZA..
Sammy's ...Also great pizza
The place near Lawrence University was called "THE  MARK"
I used to hang out there  a lot.
Hamburgers were always at DAG'S  or in the old days (1960)  Dagmar's
           up on  Wisconsin ave and also near the park across the river off
College  ave
           where the  Soo Line Engine is displayed..

Also, Pizza Palace..
Downtown was Retson's "The Shack" Pizza, Brat's and COLD  BEER..
AND ...BLIERS   ( yes Virginia, Rocky's Parents...he was  from Appleton as
was Greta Van Sustren)
Great Fish Friday and COLD BEER...........
Speaking of COLD BEER.....here is one for the  books.......
In Appleton West, we had a "BEER BAR"...yes in the High  School...
Parents had to sign us up and we were allowed only 2 beers a  day..
Wisconsin was 18 for BEER and 21 for all else.
They got tired of us who were 18 , leaving campus to go downtown to  the
Shack or Mark
to eat and/or drink lunch!

I believe it lasted only 1 year as I was in College the next  year.

ANYWAY, I have neat pix of Appleton and if anyone wants them  PLEASE
e mail my other  address   _AC130Z@..._ (mailto:AC130Z@...)  and I
will put you on a sep e  mail list to send as I scan them...
Thanks ya'll



David G  Fredrickson
Principal Engineer (ret)

220 Pinetree Cir
Geneva, Al  36340
334-684-6279

Main Email is AC130Z@...

$oo Line RR  1955-1966 (just a child of my Dad , George T Fredrickson ,
Ironwood Mi,  Hurley Wi, Appleton Wi working part time )
DeVry Inst of Tech  1967-1969
USAF Special Ops (gunships)1969-1973
WTN-TV Chief Engineer  1973-1976 and dual jobs
Reliable Metal Products 1973-1979
WTVY -TV Chief  Engineer 1979 1979
Link-Singer Flight Simulators 1979-1996
USA.Army Test  Engineer Ft Hood Tx 1996 2001
RETIRED 2001 till recalled in 2008 Test  Engineer
Finally retired DEC 15th 2009 (in a few days)  WHEW!





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Sylvester Kolodniakie Axes:

Does anybody have a favorite mix for SOO Red/While. I don't want the fresh
out of the paint shop look, although I don't intend to weather my GP-30
harshly either. I'd just like toned down colors a bit.

=============================================

    Sylvester:

    Your best bet for a non-fresh-out-of-the-paint-shop look is still Reefer
White. Soo's "white" faded out fairly quickly. Otherwise, an Antique White
is the way to go. Adding some weather in the form of chalks around the outer
edges of the hood doors tends to tone things down a bit.

    Keith

Does anybody have a favorite mix for SOO Red/While.  I don't want the fresh out
of the paint shop look, although I don't intend to weather my GP-30 harshly
either.  I'd just like toned down colors a bit.




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Ron,
 
I has some Milwaukee Road paint mixed in the DuPont automotive line.  Even
though I had the DuPont paint numbers, nobody was able to cross them into
anything we could use.  Do you have a source that can do such a thing or did
you simply get lucky with the Soo colors?
 
I ended up finding a guy who had a bunch of paint chips, so now we have an exact
match, or if it isn't exact, neither of us can tell the difference.
 


--- On Thu, 12/3/09, dphobbies <dphobbies@...> wrote:


From: dphobbies <dphobbies@...>
Subject: [SooLineHist] soo line solid maroon scheme A Slight Correction
To: SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:11 PM


 



--- In SooLineHistory@ yahoogroups. com, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@. ..> wrote:

> Also more recently, Des Plaines Hobby has had a custom run of Soo Maroon made
by Scalecoat. Ron Sebastian stated that this was matched to the color sample
printed in Ralph Barger's Pullman book, I believe, which was in turn matched to
a Pullman Company drift card for the color they used as "Soo Line Red" when they
repainted the sleepers sold to the Soo in 1949. It's a dark maroon, indeed, but
somehow doesn't capture the snap and sparkle of the locomotive color.

> Dennis Storzek

Dennis,

Just a note to let you know that the Soo Maroon and all the paint that we had
custom run was matched to DuPont or Rinshed Mason color cards and not to
something printed in a book. The book you are refering to I believe was Arthur
Dubins' work for Kalmbach and not that of Ralph Barger. While I don't recall the
DuPont number off the top of my head, I got the number from an EMD painting and
styling diagram, so the color was matched to a locomotive color. FWIW, while
researching other users of the color (I found no other railroad users), it was
used on '50 or '51 Ford pickup.

Regards,
Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines











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--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "limno99" <rwsterner@...> wrote:
>
  Des Plaines Hobbies is still offering their Soo maroon.
The answer is no, I asked and they no longer do custom colors.
Dave S.

Thanks for the comments on auto paints on models.  I like Scalecoat so I hope we
find out more about whether Des Plaines Hobbies is still offering their Soo
maroon.  Maybe I'm just blind but I didn't see any information about it on their
web site.  I'd like to give it a try.  Plan B could be to try that auto paint. 
I've experimented with a few auto paints in the past but haven't gotten to the
point of doing any whole shells.  I found one in a spray can that came really
close to what I wanted for a reddish Soo maroon for GP-9s (Dupli-Color DK
Toreador Red), but it had a lot of sparkle in the paint.

Bob Sterner
St. Paul, MN

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, Dante <orfedj@...> wrote:
>
> I have heard quite a few have used  auto paint on their models. Generally
they use a much higher PSI though to apply them. About that color, try to get a
sample first. Don't trust anything you see that computergnenerated over the web
to many factors can trick your eye (size, your monitor, etc.)
>  
> From: limno99 <rwsterner@...>
> To: SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 6:18:36 AM
> Subject: [SooLineHist] Re: soo line solid maroon scheme A Slight Correction
>
>  
>
> This web site indicates a "Cambridge" maroon used on the 1950 Ford:
>
> http://www.tcpgloba l.com/autocolorl ibrary/aclchip. aspx?image= 1950-ford-
pg01.jpg
>
> Anyone know anything about using auto body paints in hobby airbrushes to cover
plastic?
>
> Bob Sterner
> St. Paul, MN
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@ yahoogroups. com, "railroad6184" <railroad6184@ ...>
wrote:
> >
> > Ron,
> > Is this paint, that you are refering to, still available?
> > John Larsen, Minnesota
> >
> > --- In SooLineHistory@ yahoogroups. com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In SooLineHistory@ yahoogroups. com, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Also more recently, Des Plaines Hobby has had a custom run of Soo Maroon
made by Scalecoat. Ron Sebastian stated that this was matched to the color
sample printed in Ralph Barger's Pullman book, I believe, which was in turn
matched to a Pullman Company drift card for the color they used as "Soo Line
Red" when they repainted the sleepers sold to the Soo in 1949. It's a dark
maroon, indeed, but somehow doesn't capture the snap and sparkle of the
locomotive color.
> > >
> > > > Dennis Storzek
> > >
> > > Dennis,
> > >
> > > Just a note to let you know that the Soo Maroon and all the paint that we
had custom run was matched to DuPont or Rinshed Mason color cards and not to
something printed in a book. The book you are refering to I believe was Arthur
Dubins' work for Kalmbach and not that of Ralph Barger. While I don't recall the
DuPont number off the top of my head, I got the number from an EMD painting and
styling diagram, so the color was matched to a locomotive color. FWIW, while
researching other users of the color (I found no other railroad users), it was
used on '50 or '51 Ford pickup.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ron Sebastian
> > > Des Plaines
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I’ve been trying to track down a photo or other evidence that an FA1
and GP30 might have been in the same lash-up in 1963. Based on
records, the last FA1 was traded in on a GP35 in 1964, while the first
GP30s had already been delivered. As you know, the GP30s used the
trucks from the FA1s. The records suggest that during a brief three
month period, it was possible for a new GP30 to lock couplers with an
aging FA1. Was this really possible? If so, did it actually happen?

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I have heard quite a few have used  auto paint on their models. Generally they
use a much higher PSI though to apply them. About that color, try to get a
sample first. Don't trust anything you see that computergnenerated over the web
to many factors can trick your eye (size, your monitor, etc.)
 
From: limno99 <rwsterner@...>
To: SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 6:18:36 AM
Subject: [SooLineHist] Re: soo line solid maroon scheme A Slight Correction

 

This web site indicates a "Cambridge" maroon used on the 1950 Ford:

http://www.tcpgloba l.com/autocolorl ibrary/aclchip. aspx?image= 1950-ford-
pg01.jpg

Anyone know anything about using auto body paints in hobby airbrushes to cover
plastic?

Bob Sterner
St. Paul, MN

--- In SooLineHistory@ yahoogroups. com, "railroad6184" <railroad6184@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Ron,
> Is this paint, that you are refering to, still available?
> John Larsen, Minnesota
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@ yahoogroups. com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SooLineHistory@ yahoogroups. com, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@> wrote:
> >
> > > Also more recently, Des Plaines Hobby has had a custom run of Soo Maroon
made by Scalecoat. Ron Sebastian stated that this was matched to the color
sample printed in Ralph Barger's Pullman book, I believe, which was in turn
matched to a Pullman Company drift card for the color they used as "Soo Line
Red" when they repainted the sleepers sold to the Soo in 1949. It's a dark
maroon, indeed, but somehow doesn't capture the snap and sparkle of the
locomotive color.
> >
> > > Dennis Storzek
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > Just a note to let you know that the Soo Maroon and all the paint that we
had custom run was matched to DuPont or Rinshed Mason color cards and not to
something printed in a book. The book you are refering to I believe was Arthur
Dubins' work for Kalmbach and not that of Ralph Barger. While I don't recall the
DuPont number off the top of my head, I got the number from an EMD painting and
styling diagram, so the color was matched to a locomotive color. FWIW, while
researching other users of the color (I found no other railroad users), it was
used on '50 or '51 Ford pickup.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ron Sebastian
> > Des Plaines
> >
>







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Bob,
I've used these paints on resin models with no problems.  If painting plastic, I
would highly recommend that you primer the model before painting.
Daryl







-----Original Message-----
From: limno99 <rwsterner@...>
To: SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 7:18 am
Subject: [SooLineHist] Re: soo line solid maroon scheme A Slight Correction





This web site indicates a "Cambridge" maroon used on the 1950 Ford:

http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/aclchip.aspx?image=1950-ford-pg01.jpg

Anyone know anything about using auto body paints in hobby airbrushes to cover
plastic?

Bob Sterner
St. Paul, MN

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "railroad6184" <railroad6184@...> wrote:
>
> Ron,
> Is this paint, that you are refering to, still available?
> John Larsen, Minnesota
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@> wrote:
> >
> > > Also more recently, Des Plaines Hobby has had a custom run of Soo Maroon
made by Scalecoat. Ron Sebastian stated that this was matched to the color
sample printed in Ralph Barger's Pullman book, I believe, which was in turn
matched to a Pullman Company drift card for the color they used as "Soo Line
Red" when they repainted the sleepers sold to the Soo in 1949. It's a dark
maroon, indeed, but somehow doesn't capture the snap and sparkle of the
locomotive color.
> >
> > > Dennis Storzek
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > Just a note to let you know that the Soo Maroon and all the paint that we
had custom run was matched to DuPont or Rinshed Mason color cards and not to
something printed in a book. The book you are refering to I believe was Arthur
Dubins' work for Kalmbach and not that of Ralph Barger. While I don't recall the
DuPont number off the top of my head, I got the number from an EMD painting and
styling diagram, so the color was matched to a locomotive color. FWIW, while
researching other users of the color (I found no other railroad users), it was
used on '50 or '51 Ford pickup.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ron Sebastian
> > Des Plaines
> >
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This web site indicates a "Cambridge" maroon used on the 1950 Ford:

http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/aclchip.aspx?image=1950-ford-pg01.jpg

Anyone know anything about using auto body paints in hobby airbrushes to cover
plastic?

Bob Sterner
St. Paul, MN

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "railroad6184" <railroad6184@...> wrote:
>
> Ron,
>      Is this paint, that you are refering to, still available?
>           John Larsen, Minnesota
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@> wrote:
> >
> > > Also more recently, Des Plaines Hobby has had a custom run of Soo Maroon 
made by Scalecoat. Ron Sebastian stated that this was matched to the color 
sample printed in Ralph Barger's Pullman book, I believe, which was in turn 
matched to a Pullman Company drift card for the color they used as "Soo  Line
Red" when they repainted the sleepers sold to the Soo in 1949. It's a  dark
maroon, indeed, but somehow doesn't capture the snap and sparkle of  the
locomotive color.
> >
> > > Dennis Storzek
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > Just a note to let you know that the Soo Maroon and all the paint that we
had custom run was matched to DuPont or Rinshed Mason color cards and not to
something printed in a book.  The book you are refering to I believe was Arthur
Dubins' work for Kalmbach and not that of Ralph Barger.  While I don't recall
the DuPont number off the top of my head, I got the number from an EMD painting
and styling diagram, so the color was matched to a locomotive color. FWIW, while
researching other users of the color (I found no other railroad users), it was
used on '50 or '51 Ford pickup.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ron Sebastian
> > Des Plaines
> >
>

Gordon,

Okay, that helps a bit now I can visualize it, from former-canaba to Ishpeming. 
I really need a detailed map anymore of MN, WI, MI for these discussions.

Gerry

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "trainut1" <trainut1@...> wrote:
>
> Gerry,
>
> I think that CN uses the old CNW line from Excanaba to Ishpeming to connect
with that portion of the old DSSA.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry" <opr0114@> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > That helps some. Nestoria evidently was a junction with the line to Hancock,
etc and also west to Ewen and Superior?  So does CN get to Chassel by another
line or trackage rights?  In my mind, I'm thinking the track is landlocked if
all rail in Marquette is gone?
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> > --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Frenchie" <robertpetit57@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gerry,
> > >
> > > West from Marquette the DSS&A went to Nestoria where the branch to
Houghton and Hancock and finally Calumet started. As of this summer tyhere were
still tracks to Chassel. I didn't see a train when I was up there over Labor Day
weekend though. The line pretty much followed M-28 west of Nestoria. I hope this
helps.
> > >
> > > Bob Petit
> > > I wasn't born in the UP, but I wish I was!
> > >
> > > --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry" <opr0114@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rich,
> > > >
> > > > Appreciate the info.  Guess I'm not as familiar with the system map and
routes as I once was, I'll have to look at an older map, I somehow thought the
trackage from Marquette went west to Baraga.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Gerry,

I think that CN uses the old CNW line from Excanaba to Ishpeming to connect with
that portion of the old DSSA.

Gordon


--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry" <opr0114@...> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> That helps some. Nestoria evidently was a junction with the line to Hancock,
etc and also west to Ewen and Superior?  So does CN get to Chassel by another
line or trackage rights?  In my mind, I'm thinking the track is landlocked if
all rail in Marquette is gone?
>
> Gerry
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Frenchie" <robertpetit57@> wrote:
> >
> > Gerry,
> >
> > West from Marquette the DSS&A went to Nestoria where the branch to Houghton
and Hancock and finally Calumet started. As of this summer tyhere were still
tracks to Chassel. I didn't see a train when I was up there over Labor Day
weekend though. The line pretty much followed M-28 west of Nestoria. I hope this
helps.
> >
> > Bob Petit
> > I wasn't born in the UP, but I wish I was!
> >
> > --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry" <opr0114@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rich,
> > >
> > > Appreciate the info.  Guess I'm not as familiar with the system map and
routes as I once was, I'll have to look at an older map, I somehow thought the
trackage from Marquette went west to Baraga.
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > >
> >
>

Ron,
      Is this paint, that you are refering to, still available?
           John Larsen, Minnesota

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> wrote:
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@> wrote:
>
> > Also more recently, Des Plaines Hobby has had a custom run of Soo Maroon 
made by Scalecoat. Ron Sebastian stated that this was matched to the color 
sample printed in Ralph Barger's Pullman book, I believe, which was in turn 
matched to a Pullman Company drift card for the color they used as "Soo  Line
Red" when they repainted the sleepers sold to the Soo in 1949. It's a  dark
maroon, indeed, but somehow doesn't capture the snap and sparkle of  the
locomotive color.
>
> > Dennis Storzek
>
> Dennis,
>
> Just a note to let you know that the Soo Maroon and all the paint that we had
custom run was matched to DuPont or Rinshed Mason color cards and not to
something printed in a book.  The book you are refering to I believe was Arthur
Dubins' work for Kalmbach and not that of Ralph Barger.  While I don't recall
the DuPont number off the top of my head, I got the number from an EMD painting
and styling diagram, so the color was matched to a locomotive color. FWIW, while
researching other users of the color (I found no other railroad users), it was
used on '50 or '51 Ford pickup.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Sebastian
> Des Plaines
>

Bob,

That helps some. Nestoria evidently was a junction with the line to Hancock, etc
and also west to Ewen and Superior?  So does CN get to Chassel by another line
or trackage rights?  In my mind, I'm thinking the track is landlocked if all
rail in Marquette is gone?

Gerry

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Frenchie" <robertpetit57@...> wrote:
>
> Gerry,
>
> West from Marquette the DSS&A went to Nestoria where the branch to Houghton
and Hancock and finally Calumet started. As of this summer tyhere were still
tracks to Chassel. I didn't see a train when I was up there over Labor Day
weekend though. The line pretty much followed M-28 west of Nestoria. I hope this
helps.
>
> Bob Petit
> I wasn't born in the UP, but I wish I was!
>
> --- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry" <opr0114@> wrote:
> >
> > Rich,
> >
> > Appreciate the info.  Guess I'm not as familiar with the system map and
routes as I once was, I'll have to look at an older map, I somehow thought the
trackage from Marquette went west to Baraga.
> >
> > Gerry
> >
>

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

> Also more recently, Des Plaines Hobby has had a custom run of Soo Maroon  made
by Scalecoat. Ron Sebastian stated that this was matched to the color  sample
printed in Ralph Barger's Pullman book, I believe, which was in turn  matched to
a Pullman Company drift card for the color they used as "Soo  Line Red" when
they repainted the sleepers sold to the Soo in 1949. It's a  dark maroon,
indeed, but somehow doesn't capture the snap and sparkle of  the locomotive
color.

> Dennis Storzek

Dennis,

Just a note to let you know that the Soo Maroon and all the paint that we had
custom run was matched to DuPont or Rinshed Mason color cards and not to
something printed in a book.  The book you are refering to I believe was Arthur
Dubins' work for Kalmbach and not that of Ralph Barger.  While I don't recall
the DuPont number off the top of my head, I got the number from an EMD painting
and styling diagram, so the color was matched to a locomotive color. FWIW, while
researching other users of the color (I found no other railroad users), it was
used on '50 or '51 Ford pickup.

Regards,
Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines

Gerry,

West from Marquette the DSS&A went to Nestoria where the branch to Houghton and
Hancock and finally Calumet started. As of this summer tyhere were still tracks
to Chassel. I didn't see a train when I was up there over Labor Day weekend
though. The line pretty much followed M-28 west of Nestoria. I hope this helps.

Bob Petit
I wasn't born in the UP, but I wish I was!

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry" <opr0114@...> wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> Appreciate the info.  Guess I'm not as familiar with the system map and routes
as I once was, I'll have to look at an older map, I somehow thought the trackage
from Marquette went west to Baraga.
>
> Gerry
>

Gordon,

And the really cool thing about being in typing class as a sophomore, in about
1967, I was the only guy in class, the rest were all girls!

Gerry


--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry" <opr0114@...> wrote:
>
> Gordon,
>
> Actually, that is not quite true, I did see the UP TCS (Transportation Control
System) [originally began as MoPac TCS] in 1994.  I was shown some functions of
the system by one of the programmers, and later watched in a rail yard as the
crews worked with TCS getting their outbound conductors train list, work orders
and TWC, engine assignments, etc.
>
> From the research I did it seemed there was an approximate 10 year period from
when a technology was introduced until it gained general acceptance and began to
be used.  For example, the typewriter was invented and available in 1872, but
really didn't begin showing up in offices until about 1882 to 1884.  Similar to
telegraphy, once typewriters became more popular by about 1890 there were
schools that offered (not public schools) courses in typing.
>
> Considering that and the approximate time frame of 1900 when tabulating
machines began showing up in various railroad corporate offices, I'd would say
about 1910 would be the approximate year the technology was adopted by many
railroads, but I doubt Soo Line would have began using tabulating machines in
1910-1915, although, I could be wrong.
>
> Gerry
>

I was working at Gladstone in 1978 and drove to Marquette on my days off  and
met the 2nd shift operator, and that was just before LS&I took over the 1.5 mile
CTC machine from Soo Line.  I recall driving up to the old depot and yard next
to it but that is about all...

--- In SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com, "jsemenak" <jeffsemenak@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I remember about 1975, walking from the West yard toward Ishpeming; climbing
up to the LS&I tracks which crossed over on a bridge and walking back to town.
Great when the leaves changed in the fall. Walking across the Dead river trestle
on the LS&I was a little scary...About 100 foot drop. Those were good times.
> Jeff
>

Gordon,

I never worked with the tape systems, Flexowriter, Friden equipment.  But in the
CNW tower years ago, when a sophomore in high school and when taking typing (and
recommendation of the operator which was good advice) I did use the teletype
machine, not only did I learn lining up trains (similar to the days of learning
telegraphy by finding a friendly operator willing to teach you the job, except
when I started hanging out you no longer needed telegraphy knowledge/experience
to work as an operator), but the local traffic office used to send/give messages
and had to be relayed to various locations, and I used to type those messages on
tape, then transmit the tape.  But I never got quite wrapped up in my work like
the operator in the photo...

Gerry

I remember about 1975, walking from the West yard toward Ishpeming; climbing up
to the LS&I tracks which crossed over on a bridge and walking back to town.
Great when the leaves changed in the fall. Walking across the Dead river trestle
on the LS&I was a little scary...About 100 foot drop. Those were good times.
Jeff

Correct.

CP still retains Trackage Rights, on the now CN Dresser Line

Marty


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dennis Storzek
   To: SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com ; SooLineHistory@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [SooLineHist] Soo Line Dresser WI depot restored- FYI



   At 06:08 PM 12/2/09 +0000, Gerry wrote:
   >Depot is open during summer excursions on the Osceola & St Croix Valley
   >excursion season (evidently CN has acquired the line from CP - so there
   >must also be a lease/contract to operate on what is now CN track).

   As far as I know, this trackage passed to the WC Ltd. at the initial
   start-up, but CP retained trackage rights to access the ballast pit at
   Dresser. The track subsequently passed from WC Ltd. to CN, but as far as I
   know, CP still has trackage rights.

   Dennis Storzek





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

At 06:08 PM 12/2/09 +0000, Gerry wrote:
>Depot is open during summer excursions on the Osceola & St Croix Valley
>excursion season (evidently CN has acquired the line from CP - so there
>must also be a lease/contract to operate on what is now CN track).

As far as I know, this trackage passed to the WC Ltd. at the initial
start-up, but CP retained trackage rights to access the ballast pit at
Dresser. The track subsequently passed from WC Ltd. to CN, but as far as I
know, CP still has trackage rights.




Dennis Storzek