Anabeth,
The Slovak word is "pohrebnik".  I've checked Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgaria,
Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, Belarusian (Belorussian), Polish, and Macedonian
dictionaries, but haven't found "pogrobnik".

Research is interesting and can take you down unexpected pathways.  Just for the
heck of it, I plugged "pogrobnik" into Google and got one hit:  a Lithuanian
etymnological dictionary (the whole thing put online), written in German.  There
it said that "pogrobnik" is a Belarusian word.  However, the word itself is
preceeded by an asterisk.  Martin, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't an
asterisk in front of a word (in this type of work) mean that the word is
reconstructed, but not attested?  Anyway, like I said, I checked a Belarusian
dictionary, but their word is slightly different.

I wonder if "pogrobnik" is either an antiquated word (just like we don't use
"beau" for "boyfriend" anymore), a dialect word, or possibly Rusyn (no
dictionary).  Do you know where in Chicago it was located?

H



>>> "Anabeth Dollins" <anabeth@...> 05/24/07 9:09 PM >>>
  Someone on the Brezova group wrote:
  "my ancestor began an undertaker business in Chicago.
  I have a photo of his business, the window sign on the left reads
  UNDERTAKER and on the right reads POGROBNIK."

  Can anybody help with that word -- pogrobnik? The ancestor was Slovak, but
  that G in the word doesn't read Slovak to me.

  Thanks --

  Anabeth

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Gazdik, Saris County, Slovakia
Sztraka, Saris County, Slovakia
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Petsko, Pecka, Pezcko, Vulshinki, Szimerki, Ung County, Ukraine, settling in
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from the area of Makov and Vysoka nad Kysucou (Slovakia) and Horni
Bec~va (just across the border in Moravia):
Mic~utka  (came to USA early 1900s, NYC and central Michigan)
Pavlik
Fjuri / Fiuri and other spelling variants
Dobos(s)
Moravc~ik
Kubac~ka
Bilik
Zavorka
Kalic~ak

from Lietava:
Grec~nar

from god-knows-where, Slovakia (my dead end!):
Doulaj / Dulaj / Dulay

Julie Michutka
jmm@...

Search all military records free till June 6th.
George Sirko



http://landing.ancestry.com/military/collections.aspx?o_iid=31610&o_lid=31610

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Can someone repost the information about the calling cards that you can
buy in Slovakia to make less expensive calls to the states?  If you are
in Bratislava - would you know a specific store that they can be
purchased in - ideally somewhere near Tesco would be great.  Thanks in
advance!

Go to:

http://www.iarelative.com/history/surname.htm

You will learn

Life Expectancy
Name Distribution in the United Kingdom (UK)
Name Distribution in America (US)
Surame Meanings
Selected newspaper Headlines for your surname
Occupations in 1880
Place of Origin of others with your name
Ports of Departure of other with your name
Immigration Year

The life expectancy charts based on US Census records will give you average
of how much longer you have to go based on your surname. This works best
with Slovaks, Czechs, and Carpatho-Rusyns with rare surnames. Names like
Stevens or Smith will include too many non-relatives. A Slovak
Carpatho-Rusyn name like Kopchak will actually be an indicator of time left.

The name distribution in America will pinpoint where your ancestors settled
after arriving in America based on the 1920 Census.

The immigration year covers the 1850's to the early 1890's so this will not
be as useful to Slovaks as most came to America after this period in
American history.

Greg Kopchak
It's All Relative

Go to:

http://www.iarelative.com/history/surname.htm

You will learn

Life Expectancy
Name Distribution in the United Kingdom (UK)
Name Distribution in America (US)
Surame Meanings
Selected newspaper Headlines for your surname
Occupations in 1880
Place of Origin of others with your name
Ports of Departure of other with your name
Immigration Year

The life expectancy charts based on US Census records will give you
average of how much longer you have to go based on your surname.
This works best with Slovaks, Czechs, and Carpatho-Rusyns with rare
surnames. Names like Stevens or Smith will include too many non-
relatives. A Slovak Carpatho-Rusyn name like Kopchak will actually
be an indicator of time left.

The name distribution in America will pinpoint where your ancestors
settled after arriving in America based on the 1920 Census.

The immigration year covers the 1850's to the early 1890's so this
will not be as useful to Slovaks as most came to America after this
period in American history.

Greg Kopchak
It's All Relative

As moderator, I should know better.

I think I sent a double message.

Apologies to all!

Greg Kopchak

We have some Slovak heroes!

Peter Dinga, Vladimir Simonides, and Miroslav Frkan - were among six
soldiers killed when a Polish vehicle containing explosives for de-
mining operations blew up accidentally, Slovakia's Defence Minister
Juraj Liška confirmed earlier in the day (2004).

None were in Iraq to support America.

All were in Iraq to make Slovak NATO a reality. Which did happen.

Slovakia is now a member of NATO!

Most of Slovakia's soldiers in Iraq are engineers performing mine-
clearing activities.

DO NOT POST COMMENTS here.

Post your comments at:

http://www.slovakspectator.sk/clanok_koment.asp?cl=12312

Greg Kopchak

To ALL:

Almost before there was an internet, Vladimir Linder created Slovak-
World at the Forestry service in Slovakia.

Anyone remember fris.sk?

We got shot down in Slovakia as regimes changed in Slovakia, but
Slovak-World is here today thanks to the early efforts of Vladi.

Greg Kopchak
It's All Relative

--- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Vladimir Linder" <vlinder49@...>
wrote:
>
> Go to www.slovakheritage.org and click the summary of the summer
issue
> and read on. Help Magdalena Tunegova to realize her dream to go with
> CANENS Choir from BRATISLAVA to CAPE TOWN in South Africa and
purchase
> their CD and yuou will receive a free one year subscription to
> The Slovak Heritage Live Newsletter.
>
> Vladi
>

The following updates have been added to www.slovakcafe.com...

-- Annual Friendly City Polkafest, Johnstown PA; June 1, 2 and 3. The biggest
polka party in the Laurel Highlands!

-- Tour updates for The Backwards (Bealtes revival band) from Kosice. They're
all the talk at this year's Abbey Road on the River venues! Make sure to catch
one of their final 2007 US tour shows in Cleveland, Scranton, Pittsburgh and
Johnstown. In Slovakia? See them at a public performance in Nitrianske Pravno,
June 23.


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MACO, MELICHER, SEGES, FILO, URBAN, BILIK, MIKLOVIC, FERANEC,
LEDNICKY, MITOSINKA, KLCO, WRABELCAK, ORIHEL, VAVRO, BABUSHKA

Mostly from the towns of Basovce and Pobedim.

Michelle Maco Mader
Cleveland, Ohio  USA



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--- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Helen Fedor" <hfed@...> wrote:
> an asterisk in front of a word (in this type of work)
> mean that the word is reconstructed, but not attested?

It normally does, although I don't think they'd put such a word in a
dictionary.  My guess would be that the dictionary used the asterisk
to indicate an obsolete or regional word.

> I wonder if "pogrobnik" is either an antiquated word (just like
> we don't use "beau" for "boyfriend" anymore), a dialect word, or
> possibly Rusyn (no dictionary).

The Old Slavic [g]s changed into [h]s in Slovak (all of its dialects)
between the years 1100 and 1200.  There were a few exceptions (e.g., a
[g] was retained in the group [zg]: mozog "brain") but this word would
not fall under them.  Consequently (with those few exceptions),
original Slovak words, even ancient ones, don't have [g]s.  This is
not a Slovak word.

Rusyn, too, replaced the old [g]s with slightly different versions of
[h], but the Rusyn spelling retained the Cyrillic letter "g" to
represent the new sound.

The [g]-->[h] change took place within a band of Slavic languages
stretching from Lusatian/Sorbian (now in Germany) in the west, through
Czech, Slovak, Rusyn, Ukrainian, to southern Russian in the east.
|

Martin

votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu

Below is another abridged part of a 42-year-old Slovak wine grower and
farmer's account of his immigration to the US in the late summer of
1913. It represents the style of the original written shortly after
he arrived in the US -- if there's an old-fashioned, awkward, or
practically non-existent word or phrase in English, that's how unusual
it is in Slovak, too.  I also kept his Slovakized spelling of several
place names and one English word.

As this passage opens, he has passed through Ellis Island and begins
the last leg of his journey.
|

Martin

votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu

x x x
|

And then we went to a Large Waiting Room [at the train station], and
everyone bought food for a Dollar there. It was packed in a paper box,
and inside mine there was about a pound of Salami, 2 boxes of
sardines, 1 can of Sheep cheese stuck together with bread. I had
plenty of food, also about 4 dried Apples and enough bread. I ate
there, and then we waited till about 9:30 PM and then we got on, and
right away, we were carried to celebrated America.

I didn't sleep although I was sleepy, I was curious which way we were
going! We were traveling north-west, following water all the time, and
at dawn I already looked out for what one could see in that precious
country, but I was Surprised when I noticed it! Hilly and stony empty
grounds, a wooden Shack here and there, several fields only in Valleys
in places. And when we'd traveled for about half a day, I also saw a
lot of marshes, there were places covered with only cat-tails, reeds,
and smaller and larger groves, small Forests. This is poor America, I
thought, such an America is also on Miligruntsky Hill, in Hruby Pond
[localities near his home].

And the train carried us quickly, like an Express Train back at home.
And After we'd traveled a whole day, we already saw better soil, also
some towns and about three villages, but not like at home. Everyone
[in America] builds wherever they like. And after we'd traveled the
whole of Thursday night, we saw on Friday morning already that one
could see better Soil again and also farmers, i.e. on September the
5th. And we also traveled the whole day and night on Friday and didn't
stop more often than about three times a day, and that was at large
stations!

And Saturday morning, September the 6th, we saw only many, many
smaller and larger Forests again, also marshes, and stones in plowed
fields here and there, and pickets, farmers' fences of felled tree
trunks stacked this way and that way, not even nailed together, and
some used pulled-out tree stumps and their roots formed a fence. The
cows graze on their own in Clover fields, Plowed fields are fenced,
and they plant maize the most and Oats, I also saw potatoes, but
everything was attended to poorly. And they also have wooden houses,
and they are 1-2 miles from each other, and some are quite close, and
the soil is mostly like fine outwash. And when we approached C~iga'go,
Ge'ro Indijana, the soil was such there that even worthless trees
didn't grow there, pure outwash. The wind blew it about like smoke and
formed drifts.

When we arrived at C~iga'go, the capital of Illinois State, it was
Saturday afternoon, September the 6th. And When we were in Čigágo, I
noticed many High buildings there, also smoke from the factories can
find no way out, it is hazy, like Fog, is how it looks on the streets,
and it smells quite a lot. The train brought us to the center of the
city, and we waited there till about 4 PM, and from C~iga'go we
traveled to Milvauky'. I looked out to see the fields there, they were
quite good in places and also quite poor in places, pure silt and
large marshes in places. And so I was at the station in Milvauky' in
Wisconsin State at around 5:30. And Domin already waited for me.
Because I sent him a Telegram, he knew I was coming. I shook his hand
with great joy, and we walked together to take the Electric Car and
reached his Home safe and sound. It was just 6 PM, September the 6th,
in the year 1913. And as we were approaching his home, about 50 paces,
Domin's Wife was waiting for us on an elevated floor, about 10 ft up.
And she said, smiling, so, you're here now?

When morning came it was God's day, my first Sunday in America. It was
September the 7th, a beautiful, pleasant day. After we had breakfast,
we washed ourselves clean, feet as well, and shaved closely, but I
missed one thing, I didn't have a fine suit, and I couldn't go to
church in the one I was wearing, because people would shout at me,
Grinhold! Because I didn't want to miss church, Domin lent me a suit
he had, so I went to church after all. The organ in the choir played
quietly, similar to a harmonium, and school girls sang. Oh! how truly
sweet it was to hear Slovak voices, and I'd have liked to sing, too,
but here in America they used words from another hymnal than what I
knew from home. The church was pretty, but small, about twice as large
as our Chapel, but the Main Altar, with St. Stephen on the right and
St. Cyril on the left, consisted of three spires, similar to ours.

The information isn't accurate.  For example, they show no cases of my
family
name in Ohio according to the 1920 census.  Yet, I have copies of the
1920
census records showing my family in Ohio.  (They came to Ohio in 1903.)

Michelle Maco Mader
Cleveland, Ohio  USA



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Helen --

I found the same page that you did when I googled the word. My 1920
English-Slovak dictionary (printed in Pittsburgh to help immigrants) has the
word 'pohrabnik' for undertaker and 'pohrab' for funeral. No 'g,' no 'o.'

Anabeth

On 5/25/07, Helen Fedor <hfed@...> wrote:
>
>   Anabeth,
> The Slovak word is "pohrebnik". I've checked Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgaria,
> Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, Belarusian (Belorussian), Polish, and Macedonian
> dictionaries, but haven't found "pogrobnik".
>
> Research is interesting and can take you down unexpected pathways. Just
> for the heck of it, I plugged "pogrobnik" into Google and got one hit: a
> Lithuanian etymnological dictionary (the whole thing put online), written in
> German. There it said that "pogrobnik" is a Belarusian word. However, the
> word itself is preceeded by an asterisk. Martin, correct me if I'm wrong,
> but doesn't an asterisk in front of a word (in this type of work) mean that
> the word is reconstructed, but not attested? Anyway, like I said, I checked
> a Belarusian dictionary, but their word is slightly different.
>
> I wonder if "pogrobnik" is either an antiquated word (just like we don't
> use "beau" for "boyfriend" anymore), a dialect word, or possibly Rusyn (no
> dictionary). Do you know where in Chicago it was located?
>
> H
>
> >>> "Anabeth Dollins" <anabeth@... <anabeth%40gmail.com>> 05/24/07
> 9:09 PM >>>
>
> Someone on the Brezova group wrote:
> "my ancestor began an undertaker business in Chicago.
> I have a photo of his business, the window sign on the left reads
> UNDERTAKER and on the right reads POGROBNIK."
>
> Can anybody help with that word -- pogrobnik? The ancestor was Slovak, but
> that G in the word doesn't read Slovak to me.
>
> Thanks --
>
> Anabeth
>
>


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http://tinyurl.com/2egt32

Norway most peaceful country in world
May 30, 2007

Norway is the most peaceful country in the world and Iraq the least,
according to a study launched today.

<< SLOVAKIA IS 17th >>

New Zealand ranks second and Australia is 25th on the list, which
notably puts Japan near the top and Russia and Israel close to the bottom.

The Global Peace Index, published a week before a Group of Eight (G8)
summit in Germany, rates 121 countries from Algeria to Zimbabwe on
factors including levels of violence, organised crime and military
expenditure.

While most European countries including Britain rank in the top, more
peaceful, half of the league table, the United States is nearer the
bottom in 96th place, while Russia is fifth from last on 118th.

"This is a wake-up call for leaders around the globe," said Steve
Killelea, who commissioned the study from the Economist Intelligence
Unit, which is linked to the news weekly The Economist.

Overall the study found that small, stable countries which are part of
regional blocs such as the 27-nation European Union are most likely to
be more peaceful. Income and education are crucial in promoting peace,
it said.

The Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Buddhist leader who fled China after an
aborted uprising in 1959, said the launch of the Index could be a
useful tool for policymakers.

"Compiling and maintaining an Index of which countries are the most
peaceful and publishing the results will undoubtedly make the factors
and qualities that contribute to that status better known, and will
encourage people to foster them in their own countries," he said.

1 Norway

2 New Zealand

3 Denmark

4 Ireland

5 Japan

6 Finland

7 Sweden

8 Canada

9 Portugal

10 Austria

11 Belgium

12 Germany

13 Czech Republic

14 Switzerland

15 Slovenia

16 Chile

17 Slovakia

18 Hungary

19 Bhutan

20 Netherlands

21 Spain

22 Oman

23 Hong Kong

24 Uruguay

25 Australia

The bottom 10 on the Global Peace Index:

112 Angola

113 Ivory Coast

114 Lebanon

115 Pakistan

116 Colombia

117 Nigeria.

118 Russia

119 Israel

120 Sudan

121 Iraq

That's a bunch of hovno.  Please excuse the spelling.

Jack Gergely
Newport News


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: amiak27
   To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:36 PM
   Subject: [Slovak-World] Slovakia 17th Most Peaceful


   http://tinyurl.com/2egt32

   Norway most peaceful country in world
   May 30, 2007

   Norway is the most peaceful country in the world and Iraq the least,
   according to a study launched today.

   << SLOVAKIA IS 17th >>

   New Zealand ranks second and Australia is 25th on the list, which
   notably puts Japan near the top and Russia and Israel close to the bottom.

   The Global Peace Index, published a week before a Group of Eight (G8)
   summit in Germany, rates 121 countries from Algeria to Zimbabwe on
   factors including levels of violence, organised crime and military
   expenditure.

   While most European countries including Britain rank in the top, more
   peaceful, half of the league table, the United States is nearer the
   bottom in 96th place, while Russia is fifth from last on 118th.

   "This is a wake-up call for leaders around the globe," said Steve
   Killelea, who commissioned the study from the Economist Intelligence
   Unit, which is linked to the news weekly The Economist.

   Overall the study found that small, stable countries which are part of
   regional blocs such as the 27-nation European Union are most likely to
   be more peaceful. Income and education are crucial in promoting peace,
   it said.

   The Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Buddhist leader who fled China after an
   aborted uprising in 1959, said the launch of the Index could be a
   useful tool for policymakers.

   "Compiling and maintaining an Index of which countries are the most
   peaceful and publishing the results will undoubtedly make the factors
   and qualities that contribute to that status better known, and will
   encourage people to foster them in their own countries," he said.

   1 Norway

   2 New Zealand

   3 Denmark

   4 Ireland

   5 Japan

   6 Finland

   7 Sweden

   8 Canada

   9 Portugal

   10 Austria

   11 Belgium

   12 Germany

   13 Czech Republic

   14 Switzerland

   15 Slovenia

   16 Chile

   17 Slovakia

   18 Hungary

   19 Bhutan

   20 Netherlands

   21 Spain

   22 Oman

   23 Hong Kong

   24 Uruguay

   25 Australia

   The bottom 10 on the Global Peace Index:

   112 Angola

   113 Ivory Coast

   114 Lebanon

   115 Pakistan

   116 Colombia

   117 Nigeria.

   118 Russia

   119 Israel

   120 Sudan

   121 Iraq





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Why?  How would you measure it?

Ron

--- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Gergely" <gergely@...> wrote:
>
> That's a bunch of hovno.  Please excuse the spelling.
>
> Jack Gergely
> Newport News
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: amiak27
>   To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:36 PM
>   Subject: [Slovak-World] Slovakia 17th Most Peaceful
>
>
>   http://tinyurl.com/2egt32
>
>   Norway most peaceful country in world
>   May 30, 2007
>
>   Norway is the most peaceful country in the world and Iraq the least,
>   according to a study launched today.
>
>   << SLOVAKIA IS 17th >>
>
>   New Zealand ranks second and Australia is 25th on the list, which
>   notably puts Japan near the top and Russia and Israel close to the
bottom.
>
>   The Global Peace Index, published a week before a Group of Eight (G8)
>   summit in Germany, rates 121 countries from Algeria to Zimbabwe on
>   factors including levels of violence, organised crime and military
>   expenditure.
>
>   While most European countries including Britain rank in the top, more
>   peaceful, half of the league table, the United States is nearer the
>   bottom in 96th place, while Russia is fifth from last on 118th.
>
>   "This is a wake-up call for leaders around the globe," said Steve
>   Killelea, who commissioned the study from the Economist Intelligence
>   Unit, which is linked to the news weekly The Economist.
>
>   Overall the study found that small, stable countries which are part of
>   regional blocs such as the 27-nation European Union are most likely to
>   be more peaceful. Income and education are crucial in promoting peace,
>   it said.
>
>   The Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Buddhist leader who fled China after an
>   aborted uprising in 1959, said the launch of the Index could be a
>   useful tool for policymakers.
>
>   "Compiling and maintaining an Index of which countries are the most
>   peaceful and publishing the results will undoubtedly make the factors
>   and qualities that contribute to that status better known, and will
>   encourage people to foster them in their own countries," he said.
>
>   1 Norway
>
>   2 New Zealand
>
>   3 Denmark
>
>   4 Ireland
>
>   5 Japan
>
>   6 Finland
>
>   7 Sweden
>
>   8 Canada
>
>   9 Portugal
>
>   10 Austria
>
>   11 Belgium
>
>   12 Germany
>
>   13 Czech Republic
>
>   14 Switzerland
>
>   15 Slovenia
>
>   16 Chile
>
>   17 Slovakia
>
>   18 Hungary
>
>   19 Bhutan
>
>   20 Netherlands
>
>   21 Spain
>
>   22 Oman
>
>   23 Hong Kong
>
>   24 Uruguay
>
>   25 Australia
>
>   The bottom 10 on the Global Peace Index:
>
>   112 Angola
>
>   113 Ivory Coast
>
>   114 Lebanon
>
>   115 Pakistan
>
>   116 Colombia
>
>   117 Nigeria.
>
>   118 Russia
>
>   119 Israel
>
>   120 Sudan
>
>   121 Iraq
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yes, and the Balkans, much more than what became Yugoslavia.  For
anyone interested in our southern and eastern neighbors,

I am reading a fascinating account of an English woman on an aid
mission to the Balkans in 1905 to provide food to Christians suffering
under civil unrest at the time in Turkish Europe.

Her descriptions and experiences are rather fascinating, definitely
out of another place and time for all of us, but it also adds to
perspective of what the people of Yugoslavia and Kosovo have experienced.

I do recommend:

THE BURDEN OF THE BALKANS
BY
M. EDITH DURHAM
AUTHOR OF ´THROUGH THE LANDS OF THE SERB´

http://www.peacelink.nu/Boker/Durham/Durham.html

"It should never be forgotten that all the civilization of the Balkan
Peninsula is Byzantine in origin, and that that civilization, worked
on other lines from that of the West, had other aims and other ideals.
The West has since evolved a civilization that it considers so perfect
that it is in a hurry to impose it on all the world, and goes on
striving, like the Old Man in ´Alice,´ to ´Madly squeeze a right-hand
foot into a left-hand shoe.´"

I'd be pleased to know how Australia gets to be 25th??

Nick

That report uses 24 criteria to rank countries. Below is the list of
criteria, and I think some of them are questionable (like the number of
armed services personnel - is that really a measure of how peaceful a
country is?), while others are open to interpretation ("respect for
human rights" is determined by Amnesty International, which views the
death penalty as a violation of human rights in all cases).


Level of distrust in other citizens

Number of internal security officers and police per 100,000 people

Number of homicides per 100,000 people

Number of jailed population per 100,000 people

Ease of access to weapons of minor destruction

Level of organized conflict (internal)

Likelihood of violent demonstrations

Level of violent crime

Political instability

Respect for human rights

Volume of transfers of major conventional weapons, as recipient
(imports) per 100,000 people

Potential for terrorist acts

Number of deaths from organised conflict (internal)

Military expenditure as a percentage of GDP

Number of armed services personnel per 100,000 people

UN Deployments 2006-07 (percentage of total forces)

Non-UN Deployments 2006-07 (percentage of total forces)

Aggregate number of heavy weapons per 100,000 people

Volume of transfers of major conventional weapons as supplier (exports)
per 100,000 people

Military capability/sophistication

Number of displaced people as a percentage of the population

Relations with neighboring countries

Number of external and internal conflicts fought: 2000-05

Estimated number of deaths from organised conflict (external)



Here's a link to the full report, a bit hard to find on the net.  It's
over 1.5 Megs so don't try viewing it unless you have a broadband
connection or a lot of time to wait:
    http://tinyurl.com/36eds2



Joe A.

We have been writing about Prague recently.
I just received a mail with three articles about atrocities in Czech rep
after the war and one is from Prague.
I must confess, I have never read any such account before. What the Czech
and people of Prague have done to the german, mostly female population and
children is beyond my comprehension. What was going on there, also out on
the streets has no comparison in any other country. An incredible crime. And
the blood thirsty Prague population was enjoying this big time.
If anyone can read slovak or czech I can send that.
Vladimir



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i would be interested in it - my husband can read it to me.
   thx!

konekta@... wrote:
           We have been writing about Prague recently.
I just received a mail with three articles about atrocities in Czech rep
after the war and one is from Prague.
I must confess, I have never read any such account before. What the Czech
and people of Prague have done to the german, mostly female population and
children is beyond my comprehension. What was going on there, also out on
the streets has no comparison in any other country. An incredible crime. And
the blood thirsty Prague population was enjoying this big time.
If anyone can read slovak or czech I can send that.
Vladimir


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Vladimir,
   Thanks for the offer. Please send me the Slovak version.
Regards,
   Gil K.  gek2003@...

konekta@... wrote:
           We have been writing about Prague recently.
I just received a mail with three articles about atrocities in Czech rep
after the war and one is from Prague.
I must confess, I have never read any such account before. What the Czech
and people of Prague have done to the german, mostly female population and
children is beyond my comprehension. What was going on there, also out on
the streets has no comparison in any other country. An incredible crime. And
the blood thirsty Prague population was enjoying this big time.
If anyone can read slovak or czech I can send that.
Vladimir


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I do hope that someone will write at least briefly about this incident (I mean,
in English!).
Regina

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   Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:43 PM
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   Vladimir,
   Thanks for the offer. Please send me the Slovak version.
   Regards,
   Gil K. gek2003@...

   konekta@... wrote:
   We have been writing about Prague recently.
   I just received a mail with three articles about atrocities in Czech rep
   after the war and one is from Prague.
   I must confess, I have never read any such account before. What the Czech
   and people of Prague have done to the german, mostly female population and
   children is beyond my comprehension. What was going on there, also out on
   the streets has no comparison in any other country. An incredible crime. And
   the blood thirsty Prague population was enjoying this big time.
   If anyone can read slovak or czech I can send that.
   Vladimir

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Share your photos of your ancestry village on:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/slovakiabirthrecords/
juraj
Kosice Slovakia
I have created this forum last week.

Me too Regina -- trying to imagine what could be worse
than the Nazi experiments during WWII -- maybe we'll
know more soon.



Caye


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> I do hope that someone will write at least briefly
> about this incident (I mean, in English!).
> Regina
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gil Kubancsek
>   To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:43 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Golden Prague
>
>
>   Vladimir,
>   Thanks for the offer. Please send me the Slovak
> version.
>   Regards,
>   Gil K. gek2003@...
>
>   konekta@... wrote:
>   We have been writing about Prague recently.
>   I just received a mail with three articles about
> atrocities in Czech rep
>   after the war and one is from Prague.
>   I must confess, I have never read any such account
> before. What the Czech
>   and people of Prague have done to the german,
> mostly female population and
>   children is beyond my comprehension. What was
> going on there, also out on
>   the streets has no comparison in any other
> country. An incredible crime. And
>   the blood thirsty Prague population was enjoying
> this big time.
>   If anyone can read slovak or czech I can send
> that.
>   Vladimir
>
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My first question is whether this is a rehash of the same 'Sudeten'
Germans who were driven out of Czechoslovakia at the end of WW II.
Their stories have been around for 60 years and are great examples of
propaganda - telling one side of a story or skipping over the
background that led up to events.  If this is the case, then yes, the
stories have been around in America for 50 years at least, and they
can be easily found on the web at any Carpathian German page
Karpatendeutsch in multiple languages.

War is hell and the aftermath is not so nice sometimes.

Ron

--- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, Caye Caswick <ccaswick@...> wrote:
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>
> Me too Regina -- trying to imagine what could be worse
> than the Nazi experiments during WWII -- maybe we'll
> know more soon.
>
>
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> Caye
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> --- Regina Haring <rmharing@...> wrote:
>
> > I do hope that someone will write at least briefly
> > about this incident (I mean, in English!).
> > Regina
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Gil Kubancsek
> >   To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:43 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Golden Prague
> >
> >
> >   Vladimir,
> >   Thanks for the offer. Please send me the Slovak
> > version.
> >   Regards,
> >   Gil K. gek2003@...
> >
> >   konekta@... wrote:
> >   We have been writing about Prague recently.
> >   I just received a mail with three articles about
> > atrocities in Czech rep
> >   after the war and one is from Prague.
> >   I must confess, I have never read any such account
> > before. What the Czech
> >   and people of Prague have done to the german,
> > mostly female population and
> >   children is beyond my comprehension. What was
> > going on there, also out on
> >   the streets has no comparison in any other
> > country. An incredible crime. And
> >   the blood thirsty Prague population was enjoying
> > this big time.
> >   If anyone can read slovak or czech I can send
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--- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, <konekta@...> wrote: >
> We have been writing about Prague recently. > I just received a
mail with three articles about atrocities in Czech rep > after the
war and one is from Prague.

The Russians version was kalashnikov cleansing.

http://www.cjsonline.ca/pdf/nationalcleansing.pdf

Benjamin Frommer. National Cleansing: Retribution against Nazi
Collaborators in Postwar Czechoslovakia. Cambridge University Press,
2005. 387 pp. $US 26.99 paper (0-521-00896-4), $US 70.00 hardcover (0-
521-81067-1)

"This is an account of how Czechs dealt with their history in the
interval between the 1945 end of the Nazi occupation of
Czechoslovakia and the Communist takeover in February 1948. The
floodgates opened for denunciations and other forms of retribution
during the final months of the war. When it became clear that Germany
would lose, the President-in-exile Edvard Benes encouraged Czechs to
mete out punishment for both Germans in Czech territories and Czech
collaborators, as the initial acts of reestablishing an independent
state. The politicians spoke of "national cleansing" – a phrase we of
later generations have attached to the horrors of the Yugoslav wars
in the 1990s. Following an initial period of vigilante justice, a
make-shift judicial system was constructed. Many of the "Citizens'
Courts" were staffed by ill-trained judges, and police and other
judicial institutions were often out of their depth. This was
unavoidable: many of the trained jurists and police were either
killed or in exile. The courts tried over 32,000 alleged
collaborators and war criminals and some 135,000 cases of "offenses
against national honor." Thousands more were arrested and
incarcerated, but never charged. Before the Communist coup in 1948,
nearly 700 individuals were executed. Frommer observes that this was
more than the total killed during the subsequent four decades of
Communist rule.

The pent-up anger of the six years of Nazi occupation bred a desire
for sheer revenge, and pettiness too often bogged down the justice
system. Political sympathies also played a role in the process. In
Czechoslovakia, as in other parts of occupied Europe, there were
plenty of quislings and collaborators during the war. There were also
those who used the occupation to harm their neighbours or their
relatives, currying favour with the Nazis. They turned them in for
listening to foreign broadcasts or swearing against the German
occupation. When what goes around came around at last, those who had
gained positions, salaried jobs, or awards from the Nazis were
roundly denounced by their neighbours. But so were the in-laws, the
landlords, the corner grocery store owners, even their own parents or
children. Easier to denounce than to divorce — denouncing became the
most popular political action of the pre-communist post-war era.

Chapter after chapter of this well-written book provide the details
of allegations, charges and judgments against the evil, the infidels,
the dissidents, the fools, the happenstance passers-by, and the
innocent in Czech courts. Author Benjamin Frommer has excavated a
huge amount of detailed data. The accounts are
chilling. ..........................."

This might be of interest also:

http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~ljubljan/newslets/l05-58L2.html

"This is the final version which will be sent to members in October,
2005.

SSS Letter No. 58, October 2005
SOCIETY FOR SLOVENE STUDIES" ............

"Thursday, 3 November, 4:15 - 6:15 p.m. -- Sussex (GA)
2-20 Slovenia in 1945: Sixty Years After
Chair: Metod Milač

Aleš Grabrič, Institute for Modern History (Slovenia) "The
Bolshevization of Slovenia"

Tadeja Tominšek Rihtar, Institute for Modern History (Slovenia) "The
Postwar Retribution in Slovenia: Its Death Toll"

Peter Vodopivec, U of Ljubljana (Slovenia) "The Memory of World War
II and 1945 in Slovenia"

Discussants: Benjamin Frommer, Northwestern U, & Matt Susel, American
Home Publishing Co." ............

RU