LIES! LIES! LIES! I have NEVER heard Rabbi say who you can and can not have in your home! LASHON HARA

--- In Simchat_Torah@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Moritzky <nlmnana@...> wrote:
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> To whoever wrote about Messer and his "Torah" studies....As Larry says cut ties with Mr. Messer as fast as you can. And PTL that you were warned in time. Families/individuals who were leaders and regular "members" of his congregation have left in masses from his STBM. He plagurizes from other Messianic Movements. He says one thing, and does another. Censors your reading....tells you who you can have in your home. If you don't do exactly what he "teaches" or believe it...you are "in rebellion"??? (to whom???) As Larry says looking through these past archives...you will see that marriages broke up, children rebelled against their parents. He even has an "armed" guard to follow him around. Why? I would think he fears the revenge some disillusioned "member" may have against him. Quite frankly, I'm surprised he still has any sort of a congregation. Don't be like the rest of us, and spend "years" of your life listening to his "Torah teachings", it will only bring you confusion, and could even ruin relationships in your family.....Our God is not the God of confusion...so what he teaches is not from a 'Christian" God.
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> Distance yourself....you will be much happier if you do. If you want to learn about the Torah...go to Barnes and Noble and look through the Judiac section and you will find all the information you could want on your "Jewish" roots. Also, Faith Bible Chapel used to have a class called "School of The Bible"...check and see if it is till going....you can learn all aout your Jewish Roots there. And for free!!!!
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> Someone who has been there....done that....got the heartache to remember.....learned more from books than anyting Mr. Messer might want to "charge" you for.
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> To: Simchat_Torah@yahoogroups.com
> From: larrysmart@...
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:33:11 +0000
> Subject: [Simchat_Torah] Re: Ralph Messer
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> Yup! That sounds like Ralph!
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> Your church will do well to stay away, and warn others to do the same. Pleas browse through the archives here and read the horror stories.
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> -Larry
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> --- In Simchat_Torah@yahoogroups.com, "shellielaird" <shellielaird@> wrote:
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> > Hi,
> > My church for the last six months has been having Messer come and speak. Around the same time frame, Messer was promoting his Torah School and wanted our church to be involved. After various teachings from the pulpit, my pastor was interested in joining with Messer and offering it. Less than two weeks ago, Messer held a "conference" in our church. In order to attend this "conference", each person interested HAD to pay a fee of $99.00. On the day of this "conference", Messer spent the ENTIRE time promoting his Torah school and didnt teach ANYTHING that he had promised he would. Several members of our congregation were furious that after having spent $99.00 each that they were not given what was promised, a conference on the Messianic roots of Christianity. After several members complained to our pastor, he had a long talk with Messer, letting him know that we would not be hosting his Torah school. I am being told from a reliable source that Messer blew a fuse, telling my pastor that he would "warn other congregations that our church was not be trusted", and that "he (Messer) had poured in TOO much money into our church for us to decide to walk away". When Messer first came to our church, he donated the sales of his books to our church. And when I mean sales, I mean a sales pitch for the first 20 minutes of the service. "Buy this product for $19.99 and get a second one free" sales pitch that reminded me of an infomercial on late night tv. I did not know if anyone else had any experiences that were parrellel to ours.
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