Hello,

I am looking for JOTA patches from 97, 98, and 99.  I have spare
patches from 2001 to trade, or will pay $$ / patch.

Thanks,

James Olson
Covered Bridge District Cub Scouts
Atlanta Area Council

I have confirmed that the FBI Amateur Radio Asso. operating K3FBI will be
taking part in the Stafford County (VA) Sheriff's Dept. DARE field day for
5th graders on Wednesday 29 May, 2002.
It will be from 9 am - 12 noon (1300z - 1600z). We will operate 10m - 20 m
PSK31 and phone 10m - 40m. If anyone would like to setup a schedule just let
me know.

Jay  Chamberlain  AE4MK
Trustee K3FBI

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, I posted a SCOUTING FRS RADIO CODE...

If you are interested, I edited it some today to make a better
uderstanding of what is different about FRS and "radio".  The new wording
shows scouts how FRS was designed for consumers to be a CELL-PHONE
clone for one-on-one comms.  THus they have those silly RING tones and
CALL buttons.

But in a "radio net" on a shared channel with lots of people (like
Scouting applications), these ring tones and CALL buttons actually
INTERFERE with good communicatinos techinique..

I posted the SOUTING FRS RADIO CODE on:

http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/frsplan.txt

de WB4APR, Bob

Hi, I'm a new member of Tillamook District, Cascade Pacific Council.
BSA. But I have been a No Code technician for nearly 10 years. And I
was a Asst. Scoutmaster years ago in New York State.
My radio equipment consists of: a Mobile station & a Base station.
Both are Yaesu transceivers. But I have 2 handhelds as well.

Joe Nolan

jnolan@...

I discovered this Cushcraft R7 / R7000 page.

http://www.ab7sl.com/index.html?row1col2=r7.html

1. R7 - R7000 "black box" internal color photo, component
values,detailed trap illustration and schematic diagram
- all downloadable
2. Tech tips for solving R7 / R7000 high SWR problems
3. R7 assembly and instruction manuals - downloadable
4. R7000 assembly and instruction manuals - downloadable

-Jesse

I was wondering if there were any scouts planning on going to Dayton.  If
there are should we choose a frequency to meet on and have a nice chat there?

73, Reid KCŘIDI

Thre will be a couple of us in spaces 4233-4235 in the flea market.  Both
are retired SMs.  I am K9QZI, Milt, from Champaign, IL, retired SM of 30
years, currently semi-active in the Order of the Arrow locally and a
member of the Camp Visitation Team for the Central Region.  Gene, K9UTQ,
is a 10 year veteran SM from Wisconsin Rapids, WI.  He is active on the
council and has been on the staff of K2BSA at the past 4 or 5 jamborees.
Stop by and say hi...  We can get on any of the ham frequencies.

					 Milt Forsberg, K9QZI
					 Champaign, IL


On Sat, 11 May 2002 Frosty6981@... wrote:

> I was wondering if there were any scouts planning on going to Dayton.  If
> there are should we choose a frequency to meet on and have a nice chat there?
>
> 73, Reid KCŘIDI

On Sat, 11 May 2002 Frosty6981@... wrote:

> I was wondering if there were any scouts planning on going to Dayton.  If
> there are should we choose a frequency to meet on and have a nice chat there?

Use the FRS/HAM freqwuency of channel 7 tone 3.  Or the alternate chanel 5
tone 2.

de WB4APR, Bob

At Dayton, everything is crowded.  I am sure the FRS channels will be
totally full, as will most of the ham freqs and most of the business
channels.  I have tried all of these in the past and they have always been
busy.  Cellphones still seem to work ok ;)   27,000 people all wanting to
use radios does create some interesting RF.  Just pick your freq and try
it.

					 Milt Forsberg, K9QZI
					 Champaign, IL


On Sat, 11 May 2002 Frosty6981@... wrote:

> I have not been to Dayton before, I heard that 2m is really crowed,  Is it so
> bad that we would have to use FRS or can we use 2m or 440?
>

One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
back from a council training session.  She
was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
home... should not be brought to Council Events
or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)
She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
various events either!  and 2. Lifeguards with current
certification are now Required, not "highly recommended".

I have not investigated this yet, but that was the
report I got from the leader.  It may be worthwhile to have the more
knowledgeable ham types  formally advise national camping
committees on good and useful in formation to pass on to local
councils etc.   There seems to be some mis-information
and over-zealous folks at work.

The low power and uhf freq ranges of FRS is highly
unlikely to interfere with other services.   Though not
perfect, they provide a nice, cheap communications
and safety tool to unit leaders.   It would be a shame
for them to be discouraged accross the board as
other "electronic toys" are... and should be.

I'll pass on more as I hear it.

73 de N1RY
Ray




On 10 May 02, at 19:04, scoutradio@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> Check out the UK Radio-Scouting page here at Yahoo!Groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radio-scouting-uk
>
> Now that you've got new licensees in your unit, why not have them subscibe to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadioYouth
>
> Great list of Scouting/Amateur Radio web sites:
> http://www.k1dwu.net/ham-links/clubs.-.scouting.phtml
>
> Visit the "Adventure Radio Society" http://www.natworld.com/ars/
>
> ScoutRadio start page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scoutradio (Email archives - member email
addresses - change your subscription details, etc.)
>
> Post message: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com
> Unsubscribe:  scoutradio-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> List owner:   scoutradio-owner@yahoogroups.com
>
> SCOUTING and AMATEUR RADIO - FUN FOR ALL AGES
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Scouts FRS Radio Guidelines
>            From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...>
> Subject: Re: Scouts FRS Radio Guidelines
>
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, I posted a SCOUTING FRS RADIO CODE...
>
> If you are interested, I edited it some today to make a better
> uderstanding of what is different about FRS and "radio".  The new wording
> shows scouts how FRS was designed for consumers to be a CELL-PHONE
> clone for one-on-one comms.  THus they have those silly RING tones and
> CALL buttons.
>
> But in a "radio net" on a shared channel with lots of people (like
> Scouting applications), these ring tones and CALL buttons actually
> INTERFERE with good communicatinos techinique..
>
> I posted the SOUTING FRS RADIO CODE on:
>
> http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/frsplan.txt
>
> de WB4APR, Bob
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Please inform this newbie as to what a FRS radio is?  Handheld??

Joe Nolan-KB7WDI

ray@... wrote:

> One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
> back from a council training session.  She
> was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
> home... should not be brought to Council Events
> or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)
> She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
> various events either!  and 2. Lifeguards with current
> certification are now Required, not "highly recommended".
>
> I have not investigated this yet, but that was the
> report I got from the leader.  It may be worthwhile to have the more
> knowledgeable ham types  formally advise national camping
> committees on good and useful in formation to pass on to local
> councils etc.   There seems to be some mis-information
> and over-zealous folks at work.
>
> The low power and uhf freq ranges of FRS is highly
> unlikely to interfere with other services.   Though not
> perfect, they provide a nice, cheap communications
> and safety tool to unit leaders.   It would be a shame
> for them to be discouraged accross the board as
> other "electronic toys" are... and should be.
>
> I'll pass on more as I hear it.
>
> 73 de N1RY
> Ray
>
>
> On 10 May 02, at 19:04, scoutradio@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Check out the UK Radio-Scouting page here at Yahoo!Groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radio-scouting-uk
> >
> > Now that you've got new licensees in your unit, why not have them subscibe
to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadioYouth
> >
> > Great list of Scouting/Amateur Radio web sites:
> > http://www.k1dwu.net/ham-links/clubs.-.scouting.phtml
> >
> > Visit the "Adventure Radio Society" http://www.natworld.com/ars/
> >
> > ScoutRadio start page:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scoutradio (Email archives - member email
addresses - change your subscription details, etc.)
> >
> > Post message: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com
> > Unsubscribe:  scoutradio-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > List owner:   scoutradio-owner@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > SCOUTING and AMATEUR RADIO - FUN FOR ALL AGES
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > There is 1 message in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> >       1. Re: Scouts FRS Radio Guidelines
> >            From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...>
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> >    Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT)
> >    From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...>
> > Subject: Re: Scouts FRS Radio Guidelines
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, I posted a SCOUTING FRS RADIO CODE...
> >
> > If you are interested, I edited it some today to make a better
> > uderstanding of what is different about FRS and "radio".  The new wording
> > shows scouts how FRS was designed for consumers to be a CELL-PHONE
> > clone for one-on-one comms.  THus they have those silly RING tones and
> > CALL buttons.
> >
> > But in a "radio net" on a shared channel with lots of people (like
> > Scouting applications), these ring tones and CALL buttons actually
> > INTERFERE with good communicatinos techinique..
> >
> > I posted the SOUTING FRS RADIO CODE on:
> >
> > http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/frsplan.txt
> >
> > de WB4APR, Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Check out the UK Radio-Scouting page here at Yahoo!Groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radio-scouting-uk
>
> Now that you've got new licensees in your unit, why not have them subscibe to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadioYouth
>
> Great list of Scouting/Amateur Radio web sites:
> http://www.k1dwu.net/ham-links/clubs.-.scouting.phtml
>
> Visit the "Adventure Radio Society" http://www.natworld.com/ars/
>
> ScoutRadio start page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scoutradio (Email archives - member email
addresses - change your subscription details, etc.)
>
> Post message: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com
> Unsubscribe:  scoutradio-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: <ray@...>

> One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
> back from a council training session.

   Funny, I did, too, a couple of weeks ago. BALOO and Webelos Leader training.
:-)

> She was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
> home... should not be brought to Council Events
> or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)

   Bunk. That council needs to know the difference. (And I'm curious to know what
their "Camp Frequency" is. Chances are,
they're one of the so-called "dot" frequencies, which we all know the FCC more
or less abandoned enforcement of those
frequencies a couple of years ago.

> She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
> various events either!  and 2. Lifeguards with current
> certification are now Required, not "highly recommended".

   As to #1, if you fill out the proper forms, including vehicles and their tag
numbers, then you're covered under the Scouts'
insurance.

   As to #2... hmmm. I may have been dozing a bit at that point, but I think
she's right. But methinks that's not for
discussion here. :-)

                 _Ray_        KB0STN
                 DA, Den 3, Pack 77
                 Ozarks Trail Council, Joplin, MO
                 raybrown@...

Je Saturday 11 May 2002 20:38, ray@... skribis:
> One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
> back from a council training session.  She
> was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
> home... should not be brought to Council Events
> or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)

The only way this could be happening is if the FRS radios in question are
transmitting harmonics on those frequencies. I'd have to go look up the FRS
frequencies again, but I sincerely doubt this is a widespread problem, if it
even exists at all. Certainly sounds like bunk, as a previous poster pointed
out.

> She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
> various events either!

Bunk, too. What business is it of theirs anyway?
--><--
-derek

"Don't lean your canoe-antenna against a tree without making sure it is
insulated."
David Herbert Hatch

have been gone for several years.  Use "The Guide to
Safe Scouting" as a reference.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience
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>>She was also told that folks should not "caravan" to various events
either!

A "caravan" to any Scouting event is against Scout policy (see the guide to
safe Scouting).
However, the reality is that most units leave from the the same parking lot
in their community at the same time, stop & the same rest areas when
necessary, & miraculously arrive at the Scouting event at the same time!!!
The FRS issue is pure bunk. Tell her shes wrong on the radio issue.
--
Tom "polarcub" Bosworth
www.bsa13.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Derek Barnett [mailto:mdb@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:06 AM
To: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scoutradio] Digest Number 273


Je Saturday 11 May 2002 20:38, ray@... skribis:
> One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
> back from a council training session.  She
> was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
> home... should not be brought to Council Events
> or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)

The only way this could be happening is if the FRS radios in question are
transmitting harmonics on those frequencies. I'd have to go look up the FRS
frequencies again, but I sincerely doubt this is a widespread problem, if it
even exists at all. Certainly sounds like bunk, as a previous poster pointed
out.

> She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
> various events either!

Bunk, too. What business is it of theirs anyway?
--><--

In the Guide to Safe Scouting, see the BSA's official web site:
http://www.bsa.scouting.org/pubs/gss/toc.html
the word "caravan" doesn't show up.  The word "convoy" does.

I've always been led to believe that what is being discouraged is
traveling in a single file order on the highway, similar to military
units, so that no other vehicles can get in between, perhaps on the
shoulder of the highway.  Even though it can be argued that this is
an efficient and safe way to travel, specialized skills are required.

Many units travel in what is often called "caravan" in which a
reasonable distance is placed between vehicles, 1/4 to 1/2 mile or
more, so that if anyone required assistance, another could help.  The
use of radios for communication facilitates traveling in "caravan" so
that visual contact with the car in front isn't necessary and
distances can be increased.

I've always preferred that units travel as Patrols, with at least two
vehicles per Patrol.  The Patrols set their own departure time, plan
rest stops and meals, and have a joint planned arrival time at the
overnight stop or final destination.  After all, this is the Patrol
method.  It's important to plan and establish appropriate
communications systems (i.e., point of contact, cell phone numbers,
frequencies, etc.) to facilitate emergency or operational messaging.

Troops and Crews often use a single trailer to carry gear and cars to
carry passengers.  Because of this, there is typically a single
meeting place for loading the trailer and assigning rides to cars and
vans.

No matter what method is used, this discussion should have prompted
all of us to review the BSA "Guide to Safe Scouting."

Yours in Scouting,
Frank Krizan, KR1ZAN
Advisor, Venturer Crew 73 - K5BSA
Plano, Texas

We have had trouble with FRS units interfering with outhers... that is ,
individual
scouts using FRS inappropriately. As a result, we ban all FRS radios for use
with
scouts. Leaders often use FRS to communicate between themselves when
driving.

That said, we ENCOURGE scouts who hold ham radio licenses to bring hand
helds...
they are much more cognizant of "good-radio" policy!

73

   - Tom, W4KX
      Troop 210 TCC
      Occonecchee Council

----- Original Message -----
From: <scoutradio@yahoogroups.com>
To: <scoutradio@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: [scoutradio] Digest Number 275



Check out the UK Radio-Scouting page here at Yahoo!Groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radio-scouting-uk

Now that you've got new licensees in your unit, why not have them subscibe
to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadioYouth

Great list of Scouting/Amateur Radio web sites:
http://www.k1dwu.net/ham-links/clubs.-.scouting.phtml

Visit the "Adventure Radio Society" http://www.natworld.com/ars/

ScoutRadio start page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scoutradio (Email archives - member email
addresses - change your subscription details, etc.)

Post message: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe:  scoutradio-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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SCOUTING and AMATEUR RADIO - FUN FOR ALL AGES
------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

       1. Re: Dayton?
            From: Frosty6981@...
       2. Re: Dayton?
            From: Milt Forsberg <miltf@...>
       3. Re: Digest Number 273
            From: ray@...
       4. Re: Digest Number 273
            From: "Joseph W. Nolan" <jnolan@...>
       5. Re: Digest Number 273
            From: "Ray Brown" <raybrown@...>
       6. Re: Digest Number 273
            From: Michael Derek Barnett <mdb@...>
       7. Car  Caravans...
            From: Carter J Wood <carterjwood@...>
       8. RE: Digest Number 273
            From: "Thomas H. Bosworth" <bsa13@...>
       9. Caravans and Convoys
            From: "kr1zan" <kr1zan@...>


________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:28:53 EDT
    From: Frosty6981@...
Subject: Re: Dayton?

I have not been to Dayton before, I heard that 2m is really crowed,  Is it
so
bad that we would have to use FRS or can we use 2m or 440?

In a message dated 5/11/02 12:37:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
bruninga@... writes:


> Subj:Re: [scoutradio] Dayton?
> Date:5/11/02 12:37:15 PM Central Daylight Time
> From:<A HREF="mailto:bruninga@...">bruninga@...</A>
> Reply-to:<A
HREF="mailto:scoutradio@yahoogroups.com">scoutradio@yahoogroups.com</A>
> To:<A
HREF="mailto:scoutradio@yahoogroups.com">scoutradio@yahoogroups.com</A>
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> On Sat, 11 May 2002 Frosty6981@... wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if there were any scouts planning on going to Dayton.
If
> > there are should we choose a frequency to meet on and have a nice chat
> there?
>
> Use the FRS/HAM freqwuency of channel 7 tone 3.  Or the alternate chanel 5
> tone 2.
>
> de WB4APR, Bob
>
>
>
>
> Check out the UK Radio-Scouting page here at Yahoo!Groups.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radio-scouting-uk
>
> Now that you've got new licensees in your unit, why not have them subscibe
> to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadioYouth
>
> Great list of Scouting/Amateur Radio web sites:
> http://www.k1dwu.net/ham-links/clubs.-.scouting.phtml
>
> Visit the "Adventure Radio Society" http://www.natworld.com/ars/
>
> ScoutRadio start page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scoutradio (Email archives - member email
> addresses - change your subscription details, etc.)
>
> Post message: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com
> Unsubscribe:  scoutradio-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>


73, Reid KCŘIDI


[This message contained attachments]



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 2
    Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:10:56 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Milt Forsberg <miltf@...>
Subject: Re: Dayton?

At Dayton, everything is crowded.  I am sure the FRS channels will be
totally full, as will most of the ham freqs and most of the business
channels.  I have tried all of these in the past and they have always been
busy.  Cellphones still seem to work ok ;)   27,000 people all wanting to
use radios does create some interesting RF.  Just pick your freq and try
it.

Milt Forsberg, K9QZI
Champaign, IL


On Sat, 11 May 2002 Frosty6981@... wrote:

> I have not been to Dayton before, I heard that 2m is really crowed,  Is it
so
> bad that we would have to use FRS or can we use 2m or 440?
>



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 3
    Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:38:32 -0400
    From: ray@...
Subject: Re: Digest Number 273

One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
back from a council training session.  She
was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
home... should not be brought to Council Events
or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)
She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
various events either!  and 2. Lifeguards with current
certification are now Required, not "highly recommended".

I have not investigated this yet, but that was the
report I got from the leader.  It may be worthwhile to have the more
knowledgeable ham types  formally advise national camping
committees on good and useful in formation to pass on to local
councils etc.   There seems to be some mis-information
and over-zealous folks at work.

The low power and uhf freq ranges of FRS is highly
unlikely to interfere with other services.   Though not
perfect, they provide a nice, cheap communications
and safety tool to unit leaders.   It would be a shame
for them to be discouraged accross the board as
other "electronic toys" are... and should be.

I'll pass on more as I hear it.

73 de N1RY
Ray




On 10 May 02, at 19:04, scoutradio@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> Check out the UK Radio-Scouting page here at Yahoo!Groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radio-scouting-uk
>
> Now that you've got new licensees in your unit, why not have them subscibe
to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadioYouth
>
> Great list of Scouting/Amateur Radio web sites:
> http://www.k1dwu.net/ham-links/clubs.-.scouting.phtml
>
> Visit the "Adventure Radio Society" http://www.natworld.com/ars/
>
> ScoutRadio start page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scoutradio (Email archives - member email
addresses - change your subscription details, etc.)
>
> Post message: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com
> Unsubscribe:  scoutradio-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> List owner:   scoutradio-owner@yahoogroups.com
>
> SCOUTING and AMATEUR RADIO - FUN FOR ALL AGES
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Scouts FRS Radio Guidelines
>            From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...>
> Subject: Re: Scouts FRS Radio Guidelines
>
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, I posted a SCOUTING FRS RADIO CODE...
>
> If you are interested, I edited it some today to make a better
> uderstanding of what is different about FRS and "radio".  The new wording
> shows scouts how FRS was designed for consumers to be a CELL-PHONE
> clone for one-on-one comms.  THus they have those silly RING tones and
> CALL buttons.
>
> But in a "radio net" on a shared channel with lots of people (like
> Scouting applications), these ring tones and CALL buttons actually
> INTERFERE with good communicatinos techinique..
>
> I posted the SOUTING FRS RADIO CODE on:
>
> http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/frsplan.txt
>
> de WB4APR, Bob
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 4
    Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:30:32 -0700
    From: "Joseph W. Nolan" <jnolan@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 273

Please inform this newbie as to what a FRS radio is?  Handheld??

Joe Nolan-KB7WDI

ray@... wrote:

> One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
> back from a council training session.  She
> was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
> home... should not be brought to Council Events
> or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)
> She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
> various events either!  and 2. Lifeguards with current
> certification are now Required, not "highly recommended".
>
> I have not investigated this yet, but that was the
> report I got from the leader.  It may be worthwhile to have the more
> knowledgeable ham types  formally advise national camping
> committees on good and useful in formation to pass on to local
> councils etc.   There seems to be some mis-information
> and over-zealous folks at work.
>
> The low power and uhf freq ranges of FRS is highly
> unlikely to interfere with other services.   Though not
> perfect, they provide a nice, cheap communications
> and safety tool to unit leaders.   It would be a shame
> for them to be discouraged accross the board as
> other "electronic toys" are... and should be.
>
> I'll pass on more as I hear it.
>
> 73 de N1RY
> Ray
>
>
> On 10 May 02, at 19:04, scoutradio@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
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> >       1. Re: Scouts FRS Radio Guidelines
> >            From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...>
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> >    Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT)
> >    From: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...>
> > Subject: Re: Scouts FRS Radio Guidelines
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, I posted a SCOUTING FRS RADIO CODE...
> >
> > If you are interested, I edited it some today to make a better
> > uderstanding of what is different about FRS and "radio".  The new
wording
> > shows scouts how FRS was designed for consumers to be a CELL-PHONE
> > clone for one-on-one comms.  THus they have those silly RING tones and
> > CALL buttons.
> >
> > But in a "radio net" on a shared channel with lots of people (like
> > Scouting applications), these ring tones and CALL buttons actually
> > INTERFERE with good communicatinos techinique..
> >
> > I posted the SOUTING FRS RADIO CODE on:
> >
> > http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/frsplan.txt
> >
> > de WB4APR, Bob
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 5
    Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:38:41 -0500
    From: "Ray Brown" <raybrown@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 273

----- Original Message -----
From: <ray@...>

> One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
> back from a council training session.

   Funny, I did, too, a couple of weeks ago. BALOO and Webelos Leader
training. :-)

> She was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
> home... should not be brought to Council Events
> or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)

   Bunk. That council needs to know the difference. (And I'm curious to know
what their "Camp Frequency" is. Chances are,
they're one of the so-called "dot" frequencies, which we all know the FCC
more or less abandoned enforcement of those
frequencies a couple of years ago.

> She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
> various events either!  and 2. Lifeguards with current
> certification are now Required, not "highly recommended".

   As to #1, if you fill out the proper forms, including vehicles and their
tag numbers, then you're covered under the Scouts'
insurance.

   As to #2... hmmm. I may have been dozing a bit at that point, but I think
she's right. But methinks that's not for
discussion here. :-)

                 _Ray_        KB0STN
                 DA, Den 3, Pack 77
                 Ozarks Trail Council, Joplin, MO
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Message: 6
    Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 03:06:10 -0400
    From: Michael Derek Barnett <mdb@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 273

Je Saturday 11 May 2002 20:38, ray@... skribis:
> One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
> back from a council training session.  She
> was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
> home... should not be brought to Council Events
> or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)

The only way this could be happening is if the FRS radios in question are
transmitting harmonics on those frequencies. I'd have to go look up the FRS
frequencies again, but I sincerely doubt this is a widespread problem, if it
even exists at all. Certainly sounds like bunk, as a previous poster pointed
out.

> She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
> various events either!

Bunk, too. What business is it of theirs anyway?
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Message: 7
    Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 07:38:21 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Carter J Wood <carterjwood@...>
Subject: Car  Caravans...

have been gone for several years.  Use "The Guide to
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Message: 8
    Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:11:57 -0500
    From: "Thomas H. Bosworth" <bsa13@...>
Subject: RE: Digest Number 273

>>She was also told that folks should not "caravan" to various events
either!

A "caravan" to any Scouting event is against Scout policy (see the guide to
safe Scouting).
However, the reality is that most units leave from the the same parking lot
in their community at the same time, stop & the same rest areas when
necessary, & miraculously arrive at the Scouting event at the same time!!!
The FRS issue is pure bunk. Tell her shes wrong on the radio issue.
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To: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scoutradio] Digest Number 273


Je Saturday 11 May 2002 20:38, ray@... skribis:
> One of the leaders in my Cub Unit just came
> back from a council training session.  She
> was told that "FRS Radios should be kept at
> home... should not be brought to Council Events
> or Camp."  They interfere with Camp Freqs (150's mhz +/-)

The only way this could be happening is if the FRS radios in question are
transmitting harmonics on those frequencies. I'd have to go look up the FRS
frequencies again, but I sincerely doubt this is a widespread problem, if it
even exists at all. Certainly sounds like bunk, as a previous poster pointed
out.

> She was also told that 1. folks should not "caravan" to
> various events either!

Bunk, too. What business is it of theirs anyway?
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Message: 9
    Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:25:27 -0000
    From: "kr1zan" <kr1zan@...>
Subject: Caravans and Convoys

In the Guide to Safe Scouting, see the BSA's official web site:
http://www.bsa.scouting.org/pubs/gss/toc.html
the word "caravan" doesn't show up.  The word "convoy" does.

I've always been led to believe that what is being discouraged is
traveling in a single file order on the highway, similar to military
units, so that no other vehicles can get in between, perhaps on the
shoulder of the highway.  Even though it can be argued that this is
an efficient and safe way to travel, specialized skills are required.

Many units travel in what is often called "caravan" in which a
reasonable distance is placed between vehicles, 1/4 to 1/2 mile or
more, so that if anyone required assistance, another could help.  The
use of radios for communication facilitates traveling in "caravan" so
that visual contact with the car in front isn't necessary and
distances can be increased.

I've always preferred that units travel as Patrols, with at least two
vehicles per Patrol.  The Patrols set their own departure time, plan
rest stops and meals, and have a joint planned arrival time at the
overnight stop or final destination.  After all, this is the Patrol
method.  It's important to plan and establish appropriate
communications systems (i.e., point of contact, cell phone numbers,
frequencies, etc.) to facilitate emergency or operational messaging.

Troops and Crews often use a single trailer to carry gear and cars to
carry passengers.  Because of this, there is typically a single
meeting place for loading the trailer and assigning rides to cars and
vans.

No matter what method is used, this discussion should have prompted
all of us to review the BSA "Guide to Safe Scouting."

Yours in Scouting,
Frank Krizan, KR1ZAN
Advisor, Venturer Crew 73 - K5BSA
Plano, Texas





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To: scoutradio@yahoogroups.com <scoutradio@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:38 AM
Subject: [scoutradio] Car Caravans...

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Im just a scout so I'm in the dark about the danger of caravaning.  Could some one explan to me what makes it so dangerious.  I can see what makes it safe but not unsafe.

Hi everyone,

I just looked at the current Local Tour Permit on the National BSA
web site.  It no longer mentions "convoy."  The wording is:

"18. If more than one vehicle is used to transport our group, we will
establish rendezvous points at the start of each day and not attempt
to have drivers closely follow the group veicle in front of them."

The National Tour Permit doesn't even mention "convoy" or "caravan"
or anything about following too closely.

The "Guide to Safe Scouting" continues to state:
"10. Do not travel in convoy."

I certainly agree with Gary's comments.  I think a lot of the
convoying or caravaning results from poor planning.
The 'volunteers', as Gary called them, don't have a map, don't know
where they're going, don't feel comfortable with the route, etc.  By
following in a caravan, they can watch the car in front and hope that
someone else is watching out for them.  In many cases, the drivers do
have maps, but habit suggests we travel as a group (a caravan).

Frank KR1ZAN
Advisor, Venturer Crew 73 - K5BSA
Plano, Texas


--- In scoutradio@y..., "Gary W Thorburn" <gary@t...> wrote:
> As someone else correctly pointed out, the Guide to Safe Scouting
uses the term
> "Convoy" rather than "Caravan".  Nevertheless, the practice is
discouraged.
>
> The basic problem is this:  when you attempt to maintain a caravan,
you are
> asking drivers to add one more issue to the list of things they
need to concern
> themselves with when transporting a carload of scouts.  Typically
our trips leave
> in busy Friday evening traffic, and head out onto congested
interstates.  A sequence
> of cars parades out of the lot, often with CB radios in the first
and last car.   The
> radio-less drivers in the middle are usually occasional parent
volunteers, and
> this may be their first trip driving with us.   We do not maintain
a bumper-to
> bumper convoy, but the middle drivers are expected to stay in
sequence.
> None of the other zillion Friday drivers have any idea that we are
travelling together,
> nor can they be expected to defer to our little parade.  Yet I have
heard the lead
> and sweeper cars negotiate on the radio schemes to "open up" spots
in
> lanes for our other drivers, or juggle positions to maintain the
sequence.
> This is just plain hazardous.  Our drivers are all capable of
negotiating the
> road on their own when out on a family outing, why make it more
challenging
> when driving scouts?  The inconvenience incurred when one driver
makes
> a wrong turn is small indeed compared to any scheme designed to keep
> drivers in line.
>
> I have also seen the lead car pull over and stop after he thought
that the whole
> caravan didn't make it through a light, in a congested area.  The
caravanning
> drivers behind him must choose between the safe alternative, which
is
> to continue on until a safe pullout can be found, thereby breaking
the sequence,
> or pulling over where ever they are, possibly creating a hazard,
and expecting
> all the other unsuspecting Friday drivers to pass our parade.
Then, when
> the light changes and our guys come on through, we all hop out into
the traffic
> at once, which presents another unusual challenge for all.
>
> The problem with caravanning in a nutshell:  It asks our drivers to
make
> a choice they should not have to make:  either to employ the good
> driving skills that they would use driving solo, or to exhibit
their identity with
> and support for the troop by playing a little game, possibly
compromising
> driving safety.
>
> To get back to the radio point of all this, having a couple cars
with radios
> can certainly be a safety and convenience boon.  Without enforcing
any
> kind of caravan, one driver can agree at the outset to drag behind
a bit,
> watching for any car that may have trouble, or was observed to have
made
> a wrong turn, and notify another driver that he will tarry behind
to see what
> the problem is.  This achieves any supposed benefit of a caravan
without
> involving its hazards.
>
> Gary W Thorburn  KD1TE
> gary@t...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frosty6981@a... <Frosty6981@a...>
> To: scoutradio@y... <scoutradio@y...>
> Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [scoutradio] Car Caravans...
>
>
>   Im just a scout so I'm in the dark about the danger of
caravaning.  Could some one explan to me what makes it so
dangerious.  I can see what makes it safe but not unsafe.

It's that sudden need to stop that makes it unsafe.

Frosty6981@... wrote:

 Im just a scout so I'm in the dark about the danger of caravaning.  Could some one explan to me what makes it so dangerious.  I can see what makes it safe but not unsafe.

In a message dated 5/12/02 6:40:32 PM Central Daylight Time, gary@... writes:
 

Subj:Re: [scoutradio] Car Caravans...
Date:5/12/02 6:40:32 PM Central Daylight Time
From:gary@...
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When you sign a Tour Permit, you agree to respect a list of safety guidelines printed
on that form.  One of those is that you acknowledge that "caravanning" is an unsafe
practice and that you will not attempt to maintain a caravan of vehicles on public
roads.  I personally agree fully with that perspective; and can give you examples of
actions taken on the road taken to maintain a caravan, that have put our troop in some
jeapordy.  But I have been overruled by our troop leadership, who believes that we
can best express respect for these rules by violating them.  After all, it must be safe,
because we have always done it, and it makes us feel special on the road.

Why do we sign a Tour Permit anyway?  Because this is the instrument by which
the BSA recognizes your event as a BSA activity, covered by the BSA liability
insurance, which I expect is a good chunk of the hefty "chartering" fees.

Gary Thorburn  KD1TE
gary@...
 

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Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:38 AM
Subject: [scoutradio] Car Caravans...
 

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I'm just curious, why would one ham suggest to another ham to use
another radio service such as FRS?  Wouldn't a 2 meter simplex frequency
better serve licensed hams?

73,
Rick WB3BSA

Bob Bruninga wrote:

>  On Sat, 11 May 2002 Frosty6981@... wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if there were any scouts planning on going to
> Dayton.  If
> > there are should we choose a frequency to meet on and have a nice
> chat there?
>
> Use the FRS/HAM freqwuency of channel 7 tone 3.  Or the alternate
> chanel 5
> tone 2.
>
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I certainly hope not.  A 2 meter simplex frequency would be best for
licensed Scout/Scouter hams.

Frosty6981@... wrote:

>  I have not been to Dayton before, I heard that 2m is really crowed,
> Is it so bad that we would have to use FRS or can we use 2m or 440?
>
> In a message dated 5/11/02 12:37:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bruninga@... writes:
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>
>> Subj:Re: [scoutradio] Dayton?
>> Date:5/11/02 12:37:15 PM Central Daylight Time
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>> On Sat, 11 May 2002 Frosty6981@... wrote:
>>
>> > I was wondering if there were any scouts planning on going to
>> Dayton.  If
>> > there are should we choose a frequency to meet on and have a nice
>> chat there?
>>
>> Use the FRS/HAM freqwuency of channel 7 tone 3.  Or the alternate
>> chanel 5
>> tone 2.
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I think the suggestion of FRS was so that ALL Scouts might be able to talk
and meet each other, regardless of if they have a ham license or not.
Also, the simplex traffic at Dayton is so heavy that you have a hard time
finding a frequency to use during the weekend.  My guess is that the FRS
won't be much better, but if all the hams are on the ham bands, maybe....
Oh well.

					 Milt Forsberg, K9QZI
					 Champaign, IL


On Mon, 13 May 2002, Richard A. Blank wrote:

> I'm just curious, why would one ham suggest to another ham to use
> another radio service such as FRS?  Wouldn't a 2 meter simplex frequency
> better serve licensed hams?
>
> 73,
> Rick WB3BSA

My experience as a staff member at both of our council
camps is that FRS when used as a tool by the SMs and
SPLs is a good thing, I have seen problems with Scouts
running amuck treating them as toys.

We will probably be making the "suggestion" that FRS
radios be used only by SMs and SPLs in the future. One
of the things I will be watching is the usage of these
radios in camp this summer, and making suggestions to
the council this fall for next year.

The camps current position on Electronic devices is to
leave them at home as they take away from the camp
experience, however, when looking around camp, two-way
radios (mostly FRS) seem abundant among campers.

One thing for sure is I would never discourage a Scout
from bringing a HAM radio into camp, in fact I
encourage them to bring a radio and teach others what
it is and how it works.

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Could we please take this to somewhere where it is ON TOPIC!

This has nothing to do with Radio and I am totally unconcered about BSA rules
and regs unless they effect radio.

Sorry guys but this is getting out of hand.

Roger G8XAN

Here, Here!!!!

73,

Bill Stewart, W2BSA

Roger Woods wrote:

> Could we please take this to somewhere where it is ON TOPIC!
>
> This has nothing to do with Radio and I am totally unconcered about
> BSA rules and regs unless they effect radio.
>
> Sorry guys but this is getting out of hand.
>
> Roger G8XAN
>
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