Will there be any scout stations on the air from Dayton? I
will be at our OA Spring Conclave but could throw my hf
rig in the van. Just wondering if its worth it.
Jeff
KB0GVI

Hi, just to inform you about our next Scout activity from Magenta (Italy) next
June 5 and 6 afternoons.
We'll on the air in 20/40 m, both SSB & CW. Callsign IQ2MG.
Hope to meet you!

Best 73.

I am currently helping the UK radio scouting group to produce the radio scouting
flag as you can see here in the link.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadio/photos/album/1662004746/pic/1493012164/\
view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

The unit price is US$50 for one piece, digital printed to silky woven polyester
material both front and back. The shipping charge to USA is about US$20 using
FedEx

The size is set at 6 ft x 3 ft and the delivery will complete within 1 ~ 1.5
weeks.

Henry Tan

I am currently helping the UK radio scouting group to produce the radio scouting flag as you can see here in the link.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadio/photos/album/1662004746/pic/1493012164/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

The unit price is US$50 for one piece, digital printed to silky woven polyester material both front and back. The shipping charge to USA is about US$20 using FedEx

The size is set at 6 ft x 3 ft and the delivery will complete within 1 ~ 1.5 weeks.

Henry Tan

Hi Bill, If you decide to make an order, please email me your name, your contact information and your shipping address; also indicate your require quantity (min Order is 1 piece). I will then send you an email through paypal "request for money". You will pay for flag price + shipping charge which is total US$70. And you will receive the flag within 1 to 1.5 weeks. Because this is customize print, you may include your call sign as well and no additional charge. In fact, you are allowed to print for other design as well. Henry Tan

Hi Bill

I told Henry exactly the same - I will not do business through Paypal either. I
have been spammed too many times by them.

73
David Hutchinson GI4FUM

--- In ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Stewart, w2bsa - Verizon" <w2bsa@...>
wrote:
>
> Well that stops it for me since I will NOT do business with PAYPAL.
>
> Sorry,
>
> Bill, W2BSA
>
> jamboree2007 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > If you decide to make an order, please email me your name, your
> > contact information and your shipping address; also indicate your
> > require quantity (min Order is 1 piece).
> >
> > I will then send you an email through paypal "request for money". You
> > will pay for flag price + shipping charge which is total US$70.
> >
> > And you will receive the flag within 1 to 1.5 weeks.
> >
> > Because this is customize print, you may include your call sign as
> > well and no additional charge. In fact, you are allowed to print for
> > other design as well.
> >
> > Henry Tan
> >
> >
>

Yeah, they are un-regulated so they sometimes pull some things with
accounts that are not exactly kosher.
I wish they were forced to operate as a bank because they would then be
under the scrutiny of the US state
and federal banking authorities.

73,

Bill Stewart, W2BSA

David Hutchinson wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bill
>
> I told Henry exactly the same - I will not do business through Paypal
> either. I have been spammed too many times by them.
>
> 73
> David Hutchinson GI4FUM
>
> --- In ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:ScoutRadio%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Stewart, w2bsa - Verizon"
> <w2bsa@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well that stops it for me since I will NOT do business with PAYPAL.
> >
> > Sorry,
> >
> > Bill, W2BSA
> >
> > jamboree2007 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > If you decide to make an order, please email me your name, your
> > > contact information and your shipping address; also indicate your
> > > require quantity (min Order is 1 piece).
> > >
> > > I will then send you an email through paypal "request for money". You
> > > will pay for flag price + shipping charge which is total US$70.
> > >
> > > And you will receive the flag within 1 to 1.5 weeks.
> > >
> > > Because this is customize print, you may include your call sign as
> > > well and no additional charge. In fact, you are allowed to print for
> > > other design as well.
> > >
> > > Henry Tan
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

> If you decide to make an order, please email me your name, your contact
information and your shipping address; also indicate your require quantity (min
Order is 1 piece).


Henry:

I have no problem paying you through PayPal, which I use a dozen times each week
without any problem, but I can't order the flag without knowing your e-mail
address.  ;-)

Please send your email address to the Yahoo Group in a creative manner that
looks like text to avoid it's being filtered out by Yahoo.  For example,  ABC 
at  xyz  dot org .

We could have used one at the Dayton Hamvention last weekend.

Thanks & 73

Gary Wilson, K2GW

-----Original Message-----
From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gary Wilson
Sent: May 21, 2009 12:46 PM
To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ScoutRadio] Re: Radio Scouting flag

> If you decide to make an order, please email me your name, your contact information and your shipping address; also indicate your require quantity (min Order is 1 piece).

Henry:

I have no problem paying you through PayPal, which I use a dozen times each week without any problem, but I can't order the flag without knowing your e-mail address. ;-)

Please send your email address to the Yahoo Group in a creative manner that looks like text to avoid it's being filtered out by Yahoo. For example, ABC at xyz dot org .

We could have used one at the Dayton Hamvention last weekend.

Thanks & 73

Gary Wilson, K2GW

> ...This year I was hoping to make it a
> transmitter fox-hunt instead using
> inexpensive, handheld VHF/UHF antennas and
> radios.

Get a bunch of the $10 FRS two-way talkabout radios and tie a rubber band around
one of them and hide it a mile away.  Preferably put it on low power.

Then anyone with any other FRS radio - and - radio sense and experience can find
it easily.  You can hear signal strength by the degree of "full quieting".  You
can move about  a map and by comparing degrees of quieting, you can find equal
points of equal strength.  imagine a circle through those 3 points (in your
mind) and go to the center.  Then repeat.

In a short time, you will be able to walk right to the HT.

Also holding the HT at your chest, and rotating your body, makes a great DF
beam.  Listen for the null (behind you).  Just keep doing this, and walking
towards the null, and you will find it.  See www.aprs.org/dfing.html

ALthough that is an APRS web page, the technique has nothing special about APRS
.   You can do it without any map if you just visualize what you are doing.

> Truth be told I have only done a fox-hunt
> once and that was way back in 1978 I think.
> I don't have the equipment or know-how so
> I'm looking for input on  how to do this,
> equipment to use, etc.

Ah, everyone who has heard "FM quieting" and has an appreciation for what it
means with respect to signal strength has the experience to do this.  I think
that is one of our biggest failures in practical use of HAM radio in that we
imply that special DF equipment is required to find a signal.  It helps, but it
is never there when you need it. Therefore, we RARELY track down jammers and
stuck signals because we wait for someone with "special tools and equiment" to
be brought into the problem.  Where as, as an army of ants we can do it
ourselves sooner.

Yet, anyone with just a radio and expeirence with using it can find a signal
with enough patience.  Its a rewarding skill to pick up and practice.  And a
GREAT scout event, if  you can get them to understand what "quieting" means.

Of course, all of my experience is based on a HAM HT where you can remove the
antenna when you get within  several hundred yards to reduce the FULL QUIETING
Zone.  When I get to the signal is too strong, I remove the antenna, and hold a
1" piece of wire in the antenna jack and continue to swish and sway my way to
the signal source.  Within the last 100 yards or so, you remove the antenna
entirely...

The way to do this with a $10 FRS radio (with fixed antenna) might be to have
enough aluminum foil to wrap around the HT to redunce its sensitivity by a HUGE
amount.  But here again, it will take some experience to figure out how to do
that and still hear the speaker?

But BODY DFing and "quieting" signal strength assessment WORKS, if you think
about it, have some VHF/UHF experience, and have the patience...

Bob, Wb4APR

----- Original Message -----

From: Keith Kaiser

To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:54 AM

Subject: [ScoutRadio] Fox hunting at Camporee

Over the last few years I have organized a GeoScouting (geocaching) event at the North Star District Boy Scout Camporee in October. This year I was hoping to make it a transmitter fox-hunt instead using inexpensive, handheld VHF/UHF antennas and radios.

Truth be told I have only done a fox-hunt once and that was way back in 1978 I think. I don't have the equipment or know-how so I'm looking for input on how to do this, equipment to use, etc.

I can be reached at the below eMail address or phone number.

Thanks.....

73's
Keith Kaiser
kcscouter@gmail.com

YIS/YIV

--Keith

In order to succeed, you must know what you are doing, like what you are doing, and believe in what you are doing.  -- Will Rogers

Take a look at
http://www.iw5edi.com/ham-radio/?cheap-yagi-antennas-for-vhf-uhf,93

These J-pole driven element antennas were developed by Kent Britain,
WA5VJB, and work great for fox-hunting and LEOs.  AMSAT gave demos at
Hamvention using one of these to work a LEO satellite.

Kent's original article is at http://www.wa5vjb.com/yagi-pdf/cheapyagi.pdf

We've used a small HT, on lowest power available, connected to a dummy
load and hidden under a trash can (metal) to reduce the power level.
Several "fake" trash cans were deployed as decoys so the scouts had to
do some direction finding and not just look for a trash can.  We used
a scenario that a plane had crashed and its emergency beacon was on.
We wanted to keep the activity in a reasonably confined area.  The
scouts were told they could not approach the downed plane (trash can)
because it was transporting a dangerous bacteriological payload and
special help had to be summoned.  When found, the scouts were to use
an FRS radio to call in their group's find and  use a "decoder chart"
to identify the trash can's ID.

The scenario can be adjusted to fit the available area, current events
(such as satellite crash, lost hiker, etc.).  It's also fun to play
"20 questions" in which scouts get to ask the lost hiker a question,
in a round robin method or using Net Control, and the lost hiker can
only answer using Morse Y or N.  Story is the hiker radioed in that he
was lost and then his mike broke.  He only knew the letters Y and N.
Everyone can hear the answers and have a map.  Based on the answers,
the teams move closer to the lost hiker.  Questions are related to
features on the map:  Can you see a body of water?  Can you see a
building?  The lost hiker does not have a map and can only respond
based on his viewpoint.  Add to the scenario that the hiker may have a
broken leg and can't move around, so he only has a limited view.

73, Frank KR1ZAN
Garland, TX


On May 28, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Keith Kaiser wrote:

>
>
> Bob,
>
>
> I've been thinking. With Scouts and boys in general everything is
> about the experience. Not to say that walking around with an HT and
> trying to find a fox isn't fun or educational... for an adult. But I
> don't think the boys will get as much out of it as compared to
> swinging around some kind of antenna at the same time. It's a matter
> of coolness!
>
> I would love to hand them something that looks like an Arrow
> Satellite Antenna but made of dowel rod and a few pieces of wire
> coat hanger even knowing the quality is not there. What they see is
> something they can build, it works, they can hold in their hands and
> they can have fun with.....wallah... more Amateur Radio Operators in
> the future. I fear handing them just a HT is going to lead to more
> goofing around with the channel selector than an earnest hunt for
> the fox.
>
> I'll have to start googling for the antenna design but there must be
> one out there someplace.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On May 28, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Bob Bruninga wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > ...This year I was hoping to make it a
>> > transmitter fox-hunt instead using
>> > inexpensive, handheld VHF/UHF antennas and
>> > radios.
>>
>> Get a bunch of the $10 FRS two-way talkabout radios and tie a
>> rubber band around one of them and hide it a mile away. Preferably
>> put it on low power.
>>
>> Then anyone with any other FRS radio - and - radio sense and
>> experience can find it easily. You can hear signal strength by the
>> degree of "full quieting". You can move about a map and by
>> comparing degrees of quieting, you can find equal points of equal
>> strength. imagine a circle through those 3 points (in your mind)
>> and go to the center. Then repeat.
>>
>> In a short time, you will be able to walk right to the HT.
>>
>> Also holding the HT at your chest, and rotating your body, makes a
>> great DF beam. Listen for the null (behind you). Just keep doing
>> this, and walking towards the null, and you will find it. See
www.aprs.org/dfing.html
>>
>> ALthough that is an APRS web page, the technique has nothing
>> special about APRS . You can do it without any map if you just
>> visualize what you are doing.
>>
>> > Truth be told I have only done a fox-hunt
>> > once and that was way back in 1978 I think.
>> > I don't have the equipment or know-how so
>> > I'm looking for input on how to do this,
>> > equipment to use, etc.
>>
>> Ah, everyone who has heard "FM quieting" and has an appreciation
>> for what it means with respect to signal strength has the
>> experience to do this. I think that is one of our biggest failures
>> in practical use of HAM radio in that we imply that special DF
>> equipment is required to find a signal. It helps, but it is never
>> there when you need it. Therefore, we RARELY track down jammers and
>> stuck signals because we wait for someone with "special tools and
>> equiment" to be brought into the problem. Where as, as an army of
>> ants we can do it ourselves sooner.
>>
>> Yet, anyone with just a radio and expeirence with using it can find
>> a signal with enough patience. Its a rewarding skill to pick up and
>> practice. And a GREAT scout event, if you can get them to
>> understand what "quieting" means.
>>
>> Of course, all of my experience is based on a HAM HT where you can
>> remove the antenna when you get within several hundred yards to
>> reduce the FULL QUIETING Zone. When I get to the signal is too
>> strong, I remove the antenna, and hold a 1" piece of wire in the
>> antenna jack and continue to swish and sway my way to the signal
>> source. Within the last 100 yards or so, you remove the antenna
>> entirely...
>>
>> The way to do this with a $10 FRS radio (with fixed antenna) might
>> be to have enough aluminum foil to wrap around the HT to redunce
>> its sensitivity by a HUGE amount. But here again, it will take some
>> experience to figure out how to do that and still hear the speaker?
>>
>> But BODY DFing and "quieting" signal strength assessment WORKS, if
>> you think about it, have some VHF/UHF experience, and have the
>> patience...
>>
>> Bob, Wb4APR
>>
>
> 73's
> Keith Kaiser
> wa0tjt@...
>
>
>
>
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Some fox-hunters use antennas where the elements are made of steel
measuring tape, on a boom of PVC pipe.  Some designs :
   2-element  http://home.att.net/~jleggio/projects/rdf/snif_bm.htm
   3-element  http://home.att.net/~jleggio/projects/rdf/tape_bm.htm

-- Bill, AB1AV

--- In ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com, Keith Kaiser <wa0tjt@...> wrote:
>
> Over the last few years I have organized a GeoScouting (geocaching)
> event at the North Star District Boy Scout Camporee in October. This
> year I was hoping to make it a transmitter fox-hunt instead using
> inexpensive, handheld VHF/UHF antennas and radios.
>
> ... I'm looking for input on how to do this, equipment to use, etc.
> .....

I think this is a good idea inject technology into Scouting activities.  My
thanks to wa0tjt, Keith, and the other responders.

I would like to borrow a little from WB4APR, Bob, about using FRS radios, so
that the hunt can be used by Scouts that don't have licensed radio amateur
support ( please no flames....  I know this is a group trying to encourage
amateur radio in Scouting ), but also include the "coolness" of a pointable
antenna, perhaps even made by the Scouts as part of the activity.

Not long ago I saw an article where a handheld transceiver was mounted in place
of a driven element on the structure of a homebrew Yagi.  The function of a
parasitic element, be it reflector or director, does not depend on the driven
element being the classic design.  It will certainly not be optimal for the
antenna, but give it a try.  The gain should be able to boost the range of the
fox as well as the sensitivity of the hunters.  If used on the fox, it should
also add directionality to the pattern as well.

Here is another idea to try:  Put the receiver in front of a snow disk and see
if it exhibits any improvement in sensing the direction of the fox.  No snow
disk?  Try a garbage can lid!  Once you find a "sweet spot" tie three or four
strings  from the lip of the reflector.  When you want to take a reading, the
strings mark the relative placement from the HT to the reflector.

Good hunting all.

James
  n5gui

APRS at the 2010 Jamboree can be used by anyone with just a DTMF HT!

The 2010 BSA Jamboree map has a grid on it.  A-Z in latitude and 1-37 in
Longitude.  This means we can easily run an APRStt (touchtone) gateway to let
APRS see not only all the APRS portables but also anyone willing to key in 6
digits from their DTMF keypad.

See map: www.troop116.org/jamboree/j01sitemap3.gif

You enter a position anywhere on the map with just the DTMF entry BXXYY*
followed by your pre-stored DTMF callsign from a DTMF memory.  Thus, every Ham
can report his troop's position at any time with the XX/YY grid, and can send
and receive text messages.

And he can query anyone else's position (with voice response) "WB4APR is at 23
X" for example.

So all hams planning on having their HT at Jamboree should be thinking about how
this can be useful to their organization and the Jamboree.  Especially having
some laptops displaying the map at various locations for everyone to see.  Of
course, Mom back home can also watch at any time via any of the APRS web pages.

Of course, we need a central DIGI and a central IGate as well.

To understand how APRStt (touchtone) works, see how we used it at Dayton. 
www.aprs.org/aprstt.html  The software is being written by Rick Ruhl W4PC of
CSS.

And to see how it can be used for scoring, messaging, or numeric reporting from
the field see the earlier email below.

Bob, WB4APR

> We can do it.... We have the technology...
> We used APRS for our Klondike Derby.
> Please see how effective it is on this page:
> www.aprs.org/aprsevent.html
>
> Do we have anyone who is on the inside
> that can help us see if this is worthwhile
> doing?
>
> We fielded 13 APRS handhelds just for the
> local Klondike Derby just in our half of
> the county.  Surely we can find enough
> assets for supporting the National Jamboree.
>
> Too many people think that APRS is only
> about GPS tracking and completely overlook
> the situational awareness, two-way comms,
> and logistics advantages of exchanging
> digital info overlayed on maps.
>
> I'd combine FRS voice reporting with APRS
> objects and trackers to get the maximum
> input, then displays at HQ, Infirmary, HAM
> radio tent, etc...
>
> Bob, Wb4APR

Troop 20 from the Middle Tennessee District will be at summer camp June 8 - 12
and will be active on 20 and 40 CW and SSB. Will try the 14.290 thing at 3:30
local as much as possible. QTH is Camp Craig at the Boxwell Reservation in
Middle Tennessee.
73,
Conard, WS4S

ws4s wrote:
>
>
>
> Troop 20 from the Middle Tennessee District will be at summer camp June
> 8 - 12 and will be active on 20 and 40 CW and SSB. Will try the 14.290
> thing at 3:30 local as much as possible. QTH is Camp Craig at the
> Boxwell Reservation in Middle Tennessee.
> 73,
> Conard, WS4S
>

I hate to be picky but Tennessee is in both Eastern and Central time
zones,  so which is the camp in?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
----- Norman Huber - N9ZKS - Central Illinois
----- Unit Commissioner / Roundtable Staff / Assistant Scoutmaster
----- 19266 US Highway 150
----- Bloomington, IL  61705-5855
----- Phone    309-378-4674
----- Cell     309-287-1102

I will be mobile in Richmond VA next week and will try to be on.

Would be very happy to give the scouts a contact.

Randy
KK4EJ
Eagle Scout
Troop 84, Independence VA


--- In ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com, Conard Murray <cmurray@...> wrote:
>
> Our camp is in the Central zone. All of middle (and west) is Central.
>
> Conard
>
>
>
>
>
> From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Norm Huber
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:38 PM
> To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ScoutRadio] Summer Camp Activity from WS4S
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ws4s wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Troop 20 from the Middle Tennessee District will be at summer camp
> June
> > 8 - 12 and will be active on 20 and 40 CW and SSB. Will try the 14.290
>
> > thing at 3:30 local as much as possible. QTH is Camp Craig at the
> > Boxwell Reservation in Middle Tennessee.
> > 73,
> > Conard, WS4S
> >
>
> I hate to be picky but Tennessee is in both Eastern and Central time
> zones, so which is the camp in?
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ----- Norman Huber - N9ZKS - Central Illinois
> ----- Unit Commissioner / Roundtable Staff / Assistant Scoutmaster
> ----- 19266 US Highway 150
> ----- Bloomington, IL 61705-5855
> ----- Phone 309-378-4674
> ----- Cell 309-287-1102
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I would like to invite all scouts and their leaders to 2009 Field Day.  The
Columbia Amateur Radio Club is hosting their Field Day at Sesquicentennial State
Park this year.  We have reserved the Retreat Center for our site of operations
and plan to have plenty of room for all visiting hams and scouts.

Oscillators will be available for the scouts so they can try their hand at morse
code.  Our GOTA station will be up and running so each scout will be able to
talk and hopefully make contact with other scouts around the country.

If you would like more information or would like to bring your scouts by, please
contact me.

KI4PTJ
Tammy A. Livingston
Public Information Officer
Columbia Amateur Radio Club