The SNP: a right-wing monarchist, unionist party?
http://scot.tk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1788#1788

Is the Scottish National Party a right-wing, monarchist, unionist party telling
lies about Scottish independence?

It seems to me the pro-monarchy, pro-Union-of-the-Crowns leadership of Alex
Salmond raises a question and discussion point about the appropriate description
of the "Scottish National Party" - and that "a centre-left nationalist political
party committed to Scottish independence" is not being represented by Salmond.

Monarchy is a right-wing idea. Salmond by publishing right-wing monarchist
documents is not representing centre-left views in any way.

The Union of the Crowns, a monarchical and social union and united kingdoms are
all unionist ideas. Salmond by publishing unionist documents is not representing
an honest commitment to Scottish national independence.

Listening to Salmond and reading his documents, you would suppose that if he was
leading a party it would have to be a right-wing, monarchist, unionist party.

It seems to me there are two approaches to analysing this question.


Quote: Approach 1.

Assume that the self-description of the party, what the party says about itself
in its party name, in its party constitution

- in the case of the SNP, (a) that the party is a Scottish nationalist party (b)
that it is left of centre, left-leaning and so on,

- in the case of the British Labour Party (a) that the party represents the
interest of Labour, trade unions and the workers (b) it is a democratic
socialist party

are fair; assume that those self-descriptions are true and correct.

In which case when the party leaders or documents lead in a pro-monarchist
direction absolutely contradicting the core true values of the party, as they
do, then those leaders do not speak for their parties, their leadership is
UNCONSTITUTIONAL and ILLEGITIMATE as far as the party is concerned.



Quote: Approach 2.

Assume that when the party leaders and documents lead in a pro-monarchist
direction that this direction is the true core value of the party. The party is
in fact whatever the leader says it is.

In which case the party name, the party constitution and so on are meaningless.
The SNP or Labour stand for whatever the leader SAYS it stands for - and if the
leader supports the right-wing idea of monarchy then the party is a right-wing
monarchist party.


However mostly I don't think people DO analyse such contradictions in party
leaders and party declared "principles". They just watch the story on TV then
they watch the next story on TV. It all kind of washes over people.

Not only is monarchy right-wing it is also against national independence - since
an independent nation elects its own head of state and is not TOLD who its head
of state is.

Also in opposing the true independence of the Scottish nation, by going along
with the subjugation and enslavement of the Scots to the imposed head of state,
Queen Elizabeth, and that being very much against the interests of the nation,
the SNP royalist leaders certainly and possibly also the party (depending on
which of the two above analysis approaches one takes) ARE NOT THEREFORE
"NATIONALISTS" BUT TRAITORS AGAINST THE NATION!



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--- On Thu, 11/25/10, Tod Robbins <todd.d.robbins@...> wrote:


From: Tod Robbins <todd.d.robbins@...>
Subject: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Is the Scottish War Prisoners group defunct?
To: ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 5:00 PM


 



The forum seems overrun with spam mail, but I'd like to collaborate with whoever
may still follow this group. Let me know.

Tod











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Well if we can contact the administrator, we can fix the spam problem, or
I'd be happy to start a new group.

Tod


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great! let me know what happens
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"I went crazy. Not stupid."-House M.D.

--- On Thu, 11/25/10, todd.d.robbins@... <todd.d.robbins@...> wrote:


From: todd.d.robbins@... <todd.d.robbins@...>
Subject: Re: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Is the Scottish War Prisoners group defunct?
To: ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 5:38 PM


 



Well if we can contact the administrator, we can fix the spam problem, or
I'd be happy to start a new group.

Tod

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I also would be interested in a non spam site.
Rita
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ericka Morgan
   To: ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 2:41 PM
   Subject: Re: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Is the Scottish War Prisoners group
defunct?



   great! let me know what happens
   -Ericka

   "I went crazy. Not stupid."-House M.D.

   --- On Thu, 11/25/10, todd.d.robbins@... <todd.d.robbins@...>
wrote:

   From: todd.d.robbins@... <todd.d.robbins@...>
   Subject: Re: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Is the Scottish War Prisoners group
defunct?
   To: ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 5:38 PM



   Well if we can contact the administrator, we can fix the spam problem, or
   I'd be happy to start a new group.

   Tod

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I just found out members of this group who couldn't get the admin to stop
the spam created a new group (same name):

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scottish_war_prisoners/

I've joined the group and have already had a great experience. Come on over!

Tod


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Hello, Descendents and Friends of Scottish War Prisoners,

Thanks for publicizing the group, Tod.

Since the old list was overrun by spam and the old moderator wasn't doing
anything to block it, I started a new list. Its e-mail address
is scottish_war_prisoners@yahoogroups.com (same as the old address but with
underscores between scottish, war and prisoners).. Some of the people on the old
list didn't join the new list so it is much smaller (only 33 members) and has
not been as active as the old list.

Send your e-mail address to me at eleahall@... and I'll send you an
invitation to join the new list.

To avoid getting spam from the old list, set up your e-mail to block the old
group (scottishwarprisoners@yahoogroups. com -- no underscores) . I don't know
what happened to the moderator of the old group. The new list will not have
spam, since as moderator I approve of every e-mail before it is sent to the
group.

There is a lot of group information available for the new list,
at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scottish_ war_prisoners. Under Files, there
are several useful files from NEHGR (New England Historical and Genealogical
Research), including, on p. 378, the list of passengers on the John and Sarah,
one of the main ships that brought Scottish War Prisoners. On Links, most of the
links don't work (do you know what they should be?), but the link to Scottish
Research does work and has a lot of useful links.

Most of this information was provided by Teresa Rust, who has done more for the
group than I have.

After you have joined the list, would you like to provide information on your
SWP ancestor and maybe get additional information from others? Please send an
e-mail to scottish_war_prisoners@yahoogroups.com, and tell us about your
interests (who was your Scottish war prisoners ancestor, etc.). Any info you
have to share with the group would be welcome.

Best,

Eleanor Ross Hall (Ellie), Group Moderator




________________________________
From: "todd.d.robbins@..." <todd.d.robbins@...>
To: ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 6:05:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Is the Scottish War Prisoners group defunct?


I just found out members of this group who couldn't get the admin to stop
the spam created a new group (same name):

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scottish_war_prisoners/

I've joined the group and have already had a great experience. Come on over!

Tod

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Hello, All,

To go to the group web site,
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/scottish_war_prisoners -- Copy the url into your
browser and make sure there are no blank spaces in it. Blank spaces have a way
of creeping in.

I corrected most of the links, but I don't know the link to "Passenger Lists on
the Internet." Does anyone know it?

Happy hunting,

Ellie Hall



________________________________
From: Eleanor Hall <eleahall@...>
To: ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 9:12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [ScottishWarPrisoners]  The new Scottish War Prisoners group


Hello, Descendents and Friends of Scottish War Prisoners,

Thanks  for publicizing the group, Tod.

Since the old list was overrun by spam and the old moderator wasn't doing
anything to block it, I started a new list. Its e-mail address
is scottish_war_prisoners@yahoogroups.com (same as the old address but with
underscores between scottish, war and prisoners).. Some of the people on  the
old list didn't join the new list so it is much smaller (only 33 members) and
has not been as active as the old list.

Send your e-mail address to me at eleahall@... and I'll send you an
invitation to join the new list.

To avoid getting spam from the old list, set up your e-mail to block the old
group (scottishwarprisoners@yahoogroups. com -- no underscores) . I don't know
what happened to the moderator of the old group. The new list will not have
spam, since as moderator I approve of every e-mail before it is sent to the
group.

There is a lot of group information available for the new list,
at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scottish_ war_prisoners. Under Files, there
are several useful files from NEHGR (New England Historical and Genealogical
Research), including, on p. 378, the list of passengers on the John and Sarah,
one of the main ships that brought Scottish War Prisoners. On Links, most of the
links don't work (do you know what they should be?), but the link to Scottish
Research does work and has a lot of useful links.

Most of this information was provided by Teresa Rust, who has done more for  the
group than I have.

After you have joined the list, would you like to provide information on your
SWP ancestor and maybe get additional information from others? Please send an
e-mail to scottish_war_prisoners@yahoogroups.com, and tell us about your
interests (who was your Scottish war prisoners ancestor, etc.). Any info you
have to share with the group would be welcome.

Best,

Eleanor Ross Hall (Ellie), Group Moderator




________________________________
From: "todd.d.robbins@..." <todd.d.robbins@...>
To: ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 6:05:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Is the Scottish War Prisoners group defunct?


I just found out members of this group who couldn't get the admin to stop
the spam created a new group (same name):

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scottish_war_prisoners/

I've joined the group and have already had a great experience. Come on over!

Tod

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Thanks a lot, Todd!

"I went crazy. Not stupid."-House M.D.

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, todd.d.robbins@... <todd.d.robbins@...> wrote:

From: todd.d.robbins@... <todd.d.robbins@...>
Subject: Re: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Is the Scottish War Prisoners group defunct?
To: ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 7:05 PM







 









       I just found out members of this group who couldn't get the admin to stop

the spam created a new group (same name):



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scottish_war_prisoners/



I've joined the group and have already had a great experience. Come on over!



Tod



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